Everton Banter Archive June 27 2013

 

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27 Jun 2013 22:52:10
Nathan Redmond wants a move to Everton despite offers from Norwich and Swansea.

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27 Jun 2013 22:13:18
Why don't we do what napoli have done for cavani and place a silly price tag on baines like £50m that will scare clubs off. Anyone agree

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The thing is though, Cavani does actually have a release clause of £50+ million.

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Because back on earth Everton know he's 28 with hardly the longest contract in the world. 15m plus is good business for a club with no money. End of.

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For the best left back in world, in his prime, two years on his contract, and no notion that he wishes to go, £15mill is a joke.

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27 Jun 2013 22:12:02
Emilio Izaguirre from Celtic would be a fantastic replacement if Baines goes. Attacking, quick, takes people on. I'd go for him anyway!

Sean

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Hes garbage, don't be fooled by any ]one in that league

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27 Jun 2013 22:08:16
Moyes get real!

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27 Jun 2013 22:06:02
Guys please believe me I would be devistated if our best player we're to leave to go to Utd! But if the nightmare comes real then our great club will keep going! And if it does happen along with the inevitable sales of Fellaini and Heitinga Pluto the small amount we would have to spend anyway it could leave a kitty of around 40m to play with, so taking Baines, Fellaini ang Johnny from our squad how do you like the sound of adding the following?!

Turnbull free or Alex Smithies from Huddersfield young looks very good and cost about 4m.

Christian Ansaldi from Ruban Kazan about 5m two footed left back with skill, pace and good defensively.

Alvarez free

Fer 6m ish we know about him.

Wanyama 11m

Honda 5m

Redmond 2m

Bony 12m

And then a loan of Victor Moses depending on Gk choice total
Of 41m - 45m

Add that lot to the squad we are left with and I'm a happy toffee!

What you recon? Is it time to loose some of our greats with the likes of Phil Neville already gone, but start again with a new bunch of greats?

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Absolute rubbish. If we raised 40 mill then RM would get less than half to spend. Where becoming the new spurs selling our best players. The only way things will change is to put pressure on the board through protests and social media.

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27 Jun 2013 21:41:37
Kone is 30 in a few months. why oh why spend 6.5 mil on an ageing striker. I would rather go the season with big vic and jela than waste that type of money. It could be used better. Plus if baines asks to leave then there is nothing we can do except get the best price possible.

bluepaddy

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Baines is 29 in a few months why do we expect £15m plus for him?

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Cos he might be a damn sight better than jela and vic who would score less than 10 goals in prem between them

Kone would get us 15 at least per season

Good return on lowish price but yes he'd be pretty much fully amortised at the end of his contract (. ie no resale value) which will be reflected in initial price etc - if he was 25 he'd cost 10 million probably

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I think it was Sevilla (may be wrong there) who payed £12m for Kone a few years ago so he was very good and I still think he is though I would prefer a younger model tbh.

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27 Jun 2013 22:32:56
I have no problem with kone as a player but we are trying to reduce the average age in the squad not increase it. Both alcaraz and kone are 29/30. We need younger. Just on baines, he has made the prem team of year 2 years running and would make every other team so yes 15+ mil please

bluepaddy

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27 Jun 2013 21:39:41
Wonder if moyes knows something about our cash situation that's why he offerd £12 mill thinking we would snap his hand off. go somewhere else and find your players. he rated baines £20 mill last season

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We should make a counter offer of £6m for RVP just to let them know what taking the piss is all about. {Ed025's Note - good idea..

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27 Jun 2013 21:32:19
Please we cannot lose out on Fer to Norwich. Now on the Baines situation yet again he has clearly stated he wants to stay so moyes can go and do one and that's me putting it nicely. Didn't he say when he gave his last interview that he was leaving us in the best condition possible for the new manager. so why the hell is he trying to nab our best player.

Andy

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I bet you have never seen Fer play and like I said earlier if norwich is the best he can do you have to ask yourself why. He's not the be all and all

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27 Jun 2013 21:19:51
Wish Everton would show the same ambition as "the shower across the Park". being linked with Free Transfers is not awe inspiring is it? Come on Blues go buy Casper Schmeichel from Leicester to challenge Howard, bring in Leroy Fer & young James McCarthy and get Moses from Chelsea as I can't see him being in Mourinho's plans. Valencia have cash problems like most Spanish Clubs so Soldado is a possibilty or Negredo from Seville, or Morata from Real Madrid. and DON'T sell anyone. time to show serious ambition or we might as well pack in.
Street End Boy

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Have I missed something or do we suddenly have a billionaire owner.

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That's about 65 mn worth of purchases. Did you just get promoted at work?

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27 Jun 2013 21:14:02
Hang on, Moyes has had united bid on baines, and on receiving the bid of 12 million, Moyes has rejected it. He really is delusional haha!

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27 Jun 2013 21:06:51
How can we ever expect to become a "Top Four Team" when as soon as we get close to having a really good side, players want to leave to play for one of the sides above us who are in European Competition! It is pure greed nothing else just greed. they want mega money per week and don't mind only playing half the games. Don't these players realise that they can't all play for Utd or City or Chelsea etc. they are ruining the very basics of Football which I grew up with, and whatever happened to the idea of staying at Everton to help produce a consistent, settled Team that CAN go on and actually win a trophy in the near future with the addition of a few more decent players. Football is a joke to all apart from the self centred greedy players who don't give a toss for the Fans who have helped pay their wages over the years. Baines is already on £70,000 per week. if you can't live on that level of pay then you've got a problem. a quarter of a million pounds a month!! Everton Football Club is better than this and deserves more from the Players who arrive here unheard of, gain a bit of recognition, and then can't wait to leave. Fellaini springs to mind! He has a Contract and is very well paid. show some loyalty and stop touting yourself around other clubs and show some respect for the Everton Fans. never mind the money at other clubs, stay at Everton with a mindset of improving the team in order to challenge for honours as this wonderful Club has done in the past. It took Alex Ferguson best part of 10 years to get near to his goals. Baines & Fellaini should stay at Goodison and fulfil their ambitions. So come on Everton issue a once and for all " Not For Sale At Any Price " and set about adding some more Class Players, so that we can get back to the levels of the Kendall Era.
Street End Boy {Ed025's Note - great post mate..

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United sold Ronaldo, Tottenham sold Berbatov, Modric. Arsenal sold Fabregas, RVP.

Clubs move on no matter who they are and invest the money received.

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They were all sold because they were adamant on goin. baines gives the impression that he is happy at everton. they all went abroad apart from rvp. baines is a proud scouser who loves everton and is excited by Martinez style of football

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Its a great post, problem is they will NEVER realise their ambitions at Everton. Big clubs buy small clubs best players. It is what it is i'm afraid.

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They were all sold for rediculous fees

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To the second to last poster. well I guess you are nt aware of borrusia dirt ands plight over the last 6-7 years. They faced financial ruin. Klopp (spelling) took over and he brought through the youth. with the players that stayed (a lot were sold because of debts). yet in 2011/2012 season they broke the record for number of points and this year they got to the champ league final. Bluejay

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27 Jun 2013 21:04:33
I work with a few mancs and take a lot of stick about us being their feeder club. They give us what they no longer want, take our manager, and now want our best players. I have always supported the Everton way, have been with them for over 50 years now. But I have to be honest if they get Baines then I shall retire from ever going near the ground again, because I can put up with a lot of things, but a lack of ambition and pride I can't. I know it won't mean much to you Bill one less in the ground, but it means the world to me. Please show ambition and pride, and tell them to sod off.

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So you're saying that if we sell Baines you'll never go to a game again? Wow, great supporter.

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If we sell baines il keep going the match. but il tell u what I will slaughter kenwright every chance I get

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I don't think you understand Joe. I have seen the very best and the worst in this club. But never have we become a feeder club. I believe if we carry on this way then you can kiss Barckley goodbye. Followed by green etc etc. maybe I am just too old mate.

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Ps Joe, I have probably spent more on following this club than you can count to. So don't ever question my depth of support.

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What you're missing fellas is that Everton aren't a big club anymore. Players aren't loyal, and their greedy. Make no mistake, Baines will go and will not bat an eyelid. Shame but true.

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Wrong, on all counts, big club baines will not be going anywhere.

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Depth of support means you support unconditionally, not talk about walking away because the road is rockier than it has been in the past

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27 Jun 2013 20:59:59
Moyes rated £20mill plus last season for baines. wtf his he playing at. ryanfromleic

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27 Jun 2013 20:53:33
Best replacements for baines if he goes?
Danny rose - tottenham
Ryan bertrand - chelsea
Siqueira - spanish team
Coentrao (too dear maybe) madrid
Melgarejo - benfica.
Any of those would do for me even though we 'would' miss him IF he goes

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Or we can use our little Costa Rican on the bench.

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The little Costa Rican is not good enough that's why DM hardly ever used him, he's fast, and that's about it.

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27 Jun 2013 22:11:50
No moyes didn't use him because moyes is negative oviedo is a good footballer and he's fast that's about it? Yeah look at jesus navas or antonio valencia what do they have apart from pace look at them and oviedo does have more decent cross runs all day has pace has some skills and can defend but he is a left winger not a left back imo but he is good enough and is class imo

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I like Kyle Naughton but I don't even like to think about replacing Baines, we all know you simply can't. I'm pretty sure he will go to United though, and for that reason I'm gutted. I'd put money on the bid coming from that red nose pr**k now he's got DM onside. sucks

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Spot on BlueSkittle. I really want to see what he can do. He also likes the ball and is not one to shy away.

IF Baines does go he'd be the perfect fit.

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Blueskittle are you messing oviedo isn't anywere near the class of baines or any player you have mentioned, unbeilevably light weight aswell, not in a million years is he good enough

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28 Jun 2013 00:56:36
Wasnt david silva, shinji kagawa, jesus navas and aaron lennon considered light weight? don't think it has bothered them and oviedo was wanted by united before we signed him so if alex ferguson thinks he is good enough and you don't well that just shows what you know about football

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Just shows what I know, ha, every player you have mentioned is an attacking midfielder and i'm guessin have prob never played left back in there life, sir alex put a bid in did he, don't make me laugh

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Siqueria - spanish team, you think he's good but you don't know who he plays for

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Some info for you. Fellaini buy out clause ends in August.

We are holding out until then.

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28 Jun 2013 08:50:23
Okay then was baines ever powerful?, ashley cole?, monreal at arsenal is rather weak, jordi alba is light weight, david alaba is light weight maybe more so than oviedo. I named those players because they are light weight and have done well in the premier league (apart from navas who hasn't started yet but went up against cheillini who is hardly weak and did quite well) oviedo is good enough and when he has played for us he has done nothing wrong like aginst norwich man of the match in mine and a lot of peoples eyes or villa at home agbonlahor sprinted past him and oviedo caught up with him and put in a great tackle, he likes a tackle and is not afraid to go shoulder to shoulder with people and apart from hulk there are not many quick full backs or wingers with an awful lot of power

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27 Jun 2013 20:53:27
Does anyone feel the same way as me? in being totally p*ssed off season after season hearing the same old story trotted out that were skint, got to manage the debt, sell to generate funds, not got a pot to p*ss in etc.

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27 Jun 2013 20:48:07
How can Davey bid for Bainsey he, s Everton Manager till the Ist July he can't buy and sell his own player, the worlds gone mad GuernseyBlue

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27 Jun 2013 20:46:14
I wonder what Moyes response would have been for 12m for Baines if he was still manager. insult to the quality of the player.

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He is still the manager until july 1st

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Newsflash. Moyes has gone and manages a big club now. Baines will go. Can you really blame him?

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27 Jun 2013 20:41:59
As much as I don't want it I'm kind of resigned to the fact utd will land baines. let's at least get Hernandez in return.

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27 Jun 2013 20:37:05
most people get paid their salary tomorrow and you can bet that moyes bank balance will be looking rather healthier by the time EFC have paid another 50k or so into it. so the fact that he can be trying to prise Baines away before he hasn't even officially become their manager is scandalous. I hope BK plays hard ball like Levy does and asks for 22mill.
Moyes has gone even further down in my estimation

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Let's be realistic felliani is going. baines made great noises yesterday about Martinez,. evertons have said he's not for sale. just say no to utd, that statement in saying no would be worth more than any transfer fee. people talkin about Luke shaw when he becomes available I'm afraid heil go to probably the champions,. it's a no brainer keep baines and make a statement of intent. Daniel levy is great example of a chairman not giving in to the so called bigger clubs. Just hope kenwright shows the same metal.

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Spurs have deeper pockets than us, makes it a bit easier

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27 Jun 2013 20:36:15
FACT, 2012: D. Moyes rejects a £12m bid for Leighton Baines stating a "ridiculous and insulting offer".
2013: D. Moyes makes a £12m bid for Leighton Baines!

already hate that ginger minger, if baines goes to them il be gutted, hated the mancs before moyes now hate them more now he's there, any news on signings ED's? not including arouna kone, it pains me to even think we want him

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27 Jun 2013 20:22:06
Ok, Manchester United have tested the water with a ridiculous bid of £12m, it's not BK's fault, he has done all he can and said that he isn't for sale. What more can he do? I want Baines to stay the same as everyone else but if the figure reaches the £25m mark I would consider it. Baines is class and will be hard to replace but our main problem last season was lack of depth in the squad and tiredness, something £25m could ease. For me if the money is guaranteed to be given to the manager then it has to be considered. If he did go then I reckon the replacement should be Luke shaw. Baines type player and only going to get better.

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First thing we're not going to get anywhere near £25m for Baines will be luck to get £15m at the most, and second thing forget about Luke Shaw as Saints are an ambitious club and won't sell for anything we can afford.

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Unfortunately luke shaw seems to have his heart set on chelsea, but he is in our price range if baines goes, it was 10-12 million they were talking about in january wasnt it?

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27 Jun 2013 20:18:48
I'm not surprised Moyes has gone for Baines as any top team would do. Would have thought he would wait until he'd officially left the club before doing so.

I though am not so pessimistic and don't think he wants to go and even if he did we will get better than 12-15mil.

We've seen players go before. Rooney, Arteta, Lescott, Ball, Lineker, Ferguson.

What remains is our magnificent club. A rye smile knowing that it's never going to be the same for our departing player. A new hero for us on the terraces to adjourn. A new song to sing and voice to lose as he scores his first goal or makes his first tackle. A burst of passion and pride as he celebrates with us as the mighty blues score another goal and three points in the bag.

So if you know your history you'll know that no player is bigger than this club. No former Manager can buy our heart or our soul because we're Altogether Now and Foreverton.

COYB NSNO IRWT {Ed025's Note - good post that john..

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Quality post that however I still hope baines stays put as he's our best player by a country mile and has a passion for the club

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Same here Bluebaru but if he does just keep keeping the faith.

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If we can't keep him then I want ryan bertrand to replace him and use the little bit left over to balance out some debt, I think bertrand can be as good as leighton but i'd still prefer to keep him

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27 Jun 2013 20:13:22
Cheers ed. Things are not looking so good. i'd take hernandez ss part of deal what u reckon {Ed025's Note - not for me mate...i dont want to sell my rolls royce for a skoda..:)

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27 Jun 2013 20:11:32
see Moyes is trying to upset our apple cart now.
He wanted to go. We need to keep all our good players. Moyes go and do one. Thanks to Bill, for bringing in Roberto. And let him have the chance to see what he can do with the team. that moyes walked from. Raz

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27 Jun 2013 20:04:33
IF. Baines goes to Man Utd, who would be everyones preffered replacement?

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Luke Shaw all day.

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We have no options at the club, don't say oviedo he nowere near a first team regular, for me I don't think any player out there who has the understanding of the way play is avaliable, baines too good

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Hope we keep hold of Baines but if he goes we should try for Luke Shaw.

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I would like de Ceglie, maybe surplus to requirements (I think) and is used to playing LWB as well as LB

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27 Jun 2013 19:54:25
Ed, got a question. How ITK are you? Whenever you reply to rumours about Fer, Kone or Honda you seem pretty sure of what you say. Do you have a man on the inside? {Ed025's Note - i get some information from a couple of guys within the team circle, and some of the other eds..

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Thomas Verrmalen for me

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27 Jun 2013 19:52:21
Baines won't go, he's stated already he's staying, he loves Everton, tell you what tho, if he does go, then it just shows we have no ambition whatsoever and will go backwards to a team who will survive relegation year in year out

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I agree completley

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You know what, you just have to accept sometimes that your best players want to win trophies and play for big clubs. Simples!!

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27 Jun 2013 19:43:12
OK so the doom and gloom has started. or has it. If/when we sell Baines and Fellaini BK must reinvest ALL the money into buying new players. Yes. I'll be sorry to see both of them leave but you can't stand still jn this game. We need fresh players and we need to give RM money to develop his own team. With 35/40 mill from 2 players we could get some great players in. Now the question. With that money which striker and which CM would you go for and be realistic. RVP wouldn't come

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What a terrible fan you are, no comittiment to the service or quality are players give you would rather have the money to biuld a super squad of average players like liverpool do.

MikeDeBlue

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Terrible fan you say. Nope. Just realistic. You should try it sometime

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Realistic, you clearly aren't bothered who plays for us then let's get 40m buy 8 5m players and hope ones good, good ambition mate, i'm behind RM all the way but its the sad pathetic persons behind closed doors that constantly pull out of transfers and put in unrealistic bids now and again for players we can never afford to make it look like there doing something

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Good post for me mate, and yes, its realistic. Striker wise I would look at Huntelaar and centre midfield wise I would go for James McCarthy.

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27 Jun 2013 19:39:27
Why are evertonians being so negative? Martinez? Give him time. If we get kone? Will do much better with a bigger and better team. No tranfers this far? Transfer window hasn't started. Faith

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27 Jun 2013 19:38:44
Players come and players go, but the one think that stays is us the FANS. Whether Blue square or champions league, I will supported this great club, but please don't sit back and let this clown ruin OUR fantastic club.

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I agree, no wonder moyes left after 10 years of pulling rabbits out hats with no substance of major investment no matter how well he done, I hate to be doom and gloom but it looks like yet again we have little or no money and now the vultures are out

MikeDeBlue

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27 Jun 2013 19:34:11
Moyes is a disgrace. Integrity? that's all the tosh we keep hearing. He has none.

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It's not about moyes. it's about kenwright utd can't buy baines if he's says no. if utd thought they could get bale they would, but they know levy will say no. I can't see baines pushing for a move like for instance lescott, this is all about bill kenwright and ambition. moyes is about utd if he wants baines it's his job to try and sign him. this is totally down to bill kenwright. he knows felliani will go must keep baines or he should go as well

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Sorry mate (whoever you are), but moyes doesn't officially start his new job until July 1st, so how is his time officially over?

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Are we that much of a piss poor club, that were scared of bids from utd, just say no,. I think it's amark of respect that moyes is trying to sign are players. we don't need agreements. just say no that's a start.

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He's Manchester United manager, u talk about integrity should be focused on are chairman. he said baines not for sale. let's c how much integrity he's got just say no. People need to forget moyes and focus on roberto. if bill sells baines which I can't see he letting the fans down.

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Kenright has nothing to do with this. It's about man Utd, with moyes as their manager, offering a disrespectful amount for one of the best left backs in the world. How the BK hater brigade can use this as a chance to let rip I don't know. My beef is with our former chump manager

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The anti BK brigade don't know what they are on about

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27 Jun 2013 19:00:42
I feel very let down by moyes. He always said he loves the club and the fans. And that he always hoped he would be welcome back through the front door. If he keeps coming back in for baines I will really really dislike him. He defo won't be welcome if he thinks he can rake our best player (s). Anybody else feel the same way? Bill {Ed025's Note - yeah..me bill..

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Me too, Bill. See my post below.

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I'm with you, Bill. Said as much in my post earlier today.

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I'm sorry but I disagree Moyes is at a new club and part of his job is to sign players. His time at EFC is over he just wants the best for Ubited now and I don't see a problem with that. Its not as if he's stealing him if Baines does go it will be for a hefty sum, in my eyes Moyes is just doing his job.

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What a blinkered view. Moyes is doing his job by looking to improve Manchester United's squad. Simple. You couldn't grudge Moyes his move to United, just like you won't be able to judge Baines if he leaves. {Ed025's Note - moyes going was not a negative, if baines goes it will be, dont try and compare the two..

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He might be "doing his job", but there are ways of doing that honourably. Coming in for our players before he officially starts his new job (on 1st July) isn't being honourable or respectful IMHO. We might be rumoured to be interested in some Wigan players, but I've heard nothing from Everton that names those players. As Dave Whelan said about Bill Kenwright, "he's a gentlemen", and I expect us to be a proper football club that conducts its transfer dealings properly. Old fashioned, I guess, but that's my personal preference. {Ed025's Note - mine too sid..

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To cow pat Sid and all the other kenwright fans. how will u feel if bill sells baines. because this is not about moyes this is about kenwright he has the final choice here, blaming moyes is a joke and embarrassing shout. he's 100 percent utd now,. bill just say no and show us negative critics of u, that u can lead the club with ambition Just say no

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To poster 4

There are ways of Moyes "doing his job" for example, he could have called BK asked if he was prepared to sell Baines and taken no for an answer, no need for it to be all over the Daily person and the web having lodged an insulting bid, in the hope of unsettling the player and getting him on the cheap.

As far as I am concerned the man now has now shown how shallow his "love" of the club and fans really is.

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To the poster who named me as a Kenwright fan. I absolutely defend your right to express your opinion, but the fact that you didn't leave your name speaks volumes in my opinion.

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If bill decides to cash in he will just say baines wanted to leave, its all football political bulls$$t, if accepts he can do 1, quick because a true everton fan wouldn't even consider less than a stupid bid

MikeDeBlue

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This isn't Bill's decision. It is Roberto's and then Baines' decision. They have the final choice.

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To cow pat Sid my name is gimo what is your opinion if bill kenwright sells baines. u seem to take offence if anyone questions bk. my opinion is of being a critic of him and feeling let down by him time and again. baines is a great player who the top teams want to buy. I feel everton more than ever need their chairman to stand up and show evertonions that we are ambitious. if we sell shows me that every season we are at the mercy of so called big clubs, again I use levy as a example of showing these clubs he wants to challenge them, I hope bill shows the same qualities because I'm sick of listening to him talk about his love for us. show it in actions

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Thanks for replying, Gimo. I don't see how I take offence when Kenwright is criticised, but that's neither here nor there. If Baines does leave, I imagine it would be because the player asks to leave AND we get a big enough offer. Every player has his price so I'm told. However, Baines is just about our best player IMHO and will be crucial to any more progressive playing style that Roberto Martinez introduces, so "cashing in on him" would be a massive backward step for our club. As I said, I think Baines will only leave if he asks to go. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's been tapped up on the quiet by certain parties. You mentioned Levy, but every player transfer he's resisted has eventually gone through, albeit for big money. I don't want Baines to go at all.

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Levy after the berbatov deal hasn't done business with utd refused to sell modric to Chelsea. the baines situation is so important to everton as a club. we don't want to pull the rug from under Martinez before he even starts. I'm a big critic of bill kenwright I hope this time he shows leadership and ambition. this is a player who is the best left back in the country and most importantly seems happy.

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27 Jun 2013 18:53:56
Am almost certain that Baines will stay, but say he does, would people want Team A or Team B?

A:
Howard
Coleman Jagielka Distin (Alcaraz) Baines

Osman Gibson

Mirallas Fellaini Pienaar

Jelavic (Kone)

Team B

Howard
Coleman Jagielka Distin/Manga Siqueira

Fer Gibson

Mirallas Honda Pienaar

Jelavic/Anichebe

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27 Jun 2013 18:51:31
Evening ed I thought Moyes was not going to move for our players and offering 12 million for Baines this is a disgrace the man has no shame. {Ed025's Note - i agree..

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IMHO Moyes has now destroyed any goodwill he might have had from Everton fans.

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27 Jun 2013 18:35:54
Im not one of the kenwright out brigade, but you know what I don't believe a word the man utters.

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27 Jun 2013 18:31:23
starting to really dislike Moyes now Garstonblue

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Even if we didn't necessarily wish him well, we did have some residual respect for Moyes when he left Everton, but not now I'm afraid.

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27 Jun 2013 18:09:43
Even though it's been a rumour and a worry for a while, I didn't actually think that Moyes would actually have the stones to make a bid for Bainsey. Some little voice at the back of my head thought that surely Moyes would have more respect for his old club than to strip it of it's best components, especially since he's been warned off already. And 10M? Are you having a laugh Moyes? Tell you what, for that, you can have Oviedo. And we'll throw Naismith in as well. I feel a bit betrayed! And insulted. Am I over reacting? {Ed025's Note - no your not mate..

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Thanks Ed. I'm not usually an angry person, but this tipped me over the edge. So this is what fury feels like.

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27 Jun 2013 18:08:47
Man Utd have made 12 mil bid tv for what lace am not sure nearly choked on me tea
efc say not for sale over to u baines

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Baines won't make noises to go. it will be down to kenwright. can't help being abit suspicious of the timing, and surely moyes would no if any chance of a bid being sucessful. everton saying not for sale. will be a great statement if he stays from everyone at club. if he goes what will it say about ambition

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27 Jun 2013 18:03:41
David Moyes: your approach for Leighton Baines has destroyed my respect for you and I hope you fail miserably at ManUtd. I never thought my rational stance on matters would be compromised, but you have succeeded where the best (worst?) efforts of many in this world have not.

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I agree C. A he is a disgrace in my eyes he even stopped us getting comp for himself by not signing contract. that's my opinion. tp.

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Can you really blame him for wanting to sign players People will always take people with them in jobs that have been successful

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His demeanour during his departure from Everton seemed to me to be that of someone who though he was entitled - he was owed - the press's adulation as God's gift to football management. I sensed no humility in the man - now while self-belief and determination is surely laudable, when it borders on arrogance that's another matter IMHO.

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Don't blame him for wanting Baines, but the low, hypocritical nature of the bid has finished the man in my eyes. 12m? He knows what he is worth, and never in a million years would he have sold for that amount when he was manager. Here's to his complete utter failure at Manchester United and his subsequent early dismissal. One things for sure, he best not rear his ugly head through our front door again.

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27 Jun 2013 18:02:14
It seems to be reliably reported, that we have turned down an offer from unt for baines, so far so good, but, what happened to moyes promise to kenwright that he would not come in for any of our players? No it was not in any contract, but thought he was supposed to be a man of his word!

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He did say that in many an interview, such as the time Fabregas accused him of giving back handers to refs. But he also said that 'nobody questions the integrity of David Moyes', so we'd all best be careful what we say, I suppose.

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Sorry Biffy but I have to disagree with you. How can it be BK's fault if Man U table a bid, all he can do is respond, which he has done by saying the player is not for sale. And i'm pretty sure he has no control over the timing of the bid, so what if it did come 24 hours after the EGM, so what?

And as for calling him a cancer within the club, that's a bit over the top don't you think, if you put as much effort into being positive towards the club, instead of chewing on all that bile, you might find that you wake up in the mornings with a smile on your face.

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27 Jun 2013 18:02:01
TYPICAL.

Less than 24 hrs after the AGM. One of our biggest and best players of all time, is on the negotiating table. People were saying in the bars last night, Feli will be gone in 7 days, that was a majority, However most thought Baines would be still with us, even me. BK holds no bounds. when it comes to ££££££££££££££££££££. That's all he see's. This man is cancer for our club, He is surely worth 20 million, and Moyes is still employed by us till sunday. Only EFC could do this.

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Far too harsh and critical these comments, bk has done good things so calm down. altho I do admire your passion and u obviously love efc. tp.

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EFC didn't make the bid. You sound like a fool. What has BK done. turn the bid down!

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27 Jun 2013 19:45:57
Support a different team biffy your boring you never post anything positive just same sh*t different day with you agree with BlueJohnUns bill did the right thing turning it down why would you rather we sold him?

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27 Jun 2013 17:59:35
When Moyes decided to take the ManUtd job, I understood that it was too good an opportunity for him to turn down and I was appreciative of what he had done at Everton and wished him well.
However, ManUtd's bid for Leighton Baines is NOT appreciated and any goodwill I had towards Moyes has now been completely destroyed. As far as I am concerned - and I don't care if the Eds or other posters think I'm over-reacting - Moyes going for Baines might make football sense, but it marks Moyes as a complete and utter ****. Even if Baines doesn't leave - and the club is making the right noises - I think that Moyes will now get a pretty rough reception when ManUtd come to Goodison - very different to what he might have got before today's news.

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It's just plain rude, is what it is. I don't think you're over reacting Sid, but I do think some of it could be pressure from other forces at Man U influencing this. Wouldn't be surprised if Moyes had his arm twisted in this a bit. They are worried about losing Evra. and who is the best left back in the PL? Leighton is first port of call for all big teams looking for a top LB. But I'm pretty certain I'm going to over react big time if Baines get's sold.

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I agree sid your right. good post . tp.

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Agree. Moyes is a disgrace and should get bullied out of Goodison when he returns. Hopefully after we take 3 points against his negative 451.

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27 Jun 2013 17:45:24
12 million 4 baines! Must b a joke! Got 2 b at least 15 million plus Hernandez then maybe. Jay c COYB

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27 Jun 2013 17:33:52
I hope Norwich don't sign fer he will turn out to be a beast!
Hopefully ed can cheer us up with the really targets soon

Thanks essy

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If Norwich do sign Fer then that's his level as you have to wonder why better teams are not in for him, so no big loss.

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27 Jun 2013 17:23:38
See the minute Moyes is out the door the sneaky slime bag trying to take Baines I hope Kenwright tells him were to stuff his 12 mill 11 years of loyalty Moyes eh, I would never do anything to hurt Everton well then keep away. I never wanted to say this but I hope your sacked by christmas you sleaze bag who do u think you are remember Everton made you. {Ed025's Note - how people change hey stef..

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Time to be strong bill. take a leaf out of levy, s book won't sell big players no more to rivals

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Yes they do ed I changed my mind on Martinez I just got caught up in the excitement of Peirira but I am glad we have Roberto now and looking forward to seeing what he brings. But I expected Moyes to show some respect to us, I never wanted to turn against moyes but 12 mill for the best left back in the prem that is an insult in my eyes either way I don't want him sold unless it is a ridiculous amount of money but moyes would have said 12mill was an insult if he was still with us so what makes him think its not now he is gone.

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To state the obvious, Baines will be the key to this. If he says he wants to go then there isn't an awful lot we can do about it. And I wouldn't begrudge the lad the opportunity to play at the highest level. But we should be looking at £20m at the very least.

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I have never liked Gollum as you know, just shows the character of the guy. Don't sell Baines to that lizard looking trophyless manager

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I second that mike

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27 Jun 2013 17:19:19
So, Moyes and United have made a bid of just £12M for Baines, I think he is worth £20M+

How much do my fellow Blues think we can get for him, if he really wants to go?

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I always thought 15mil that was being touted was cheap. For me £25 mil as he is one of the best LB's in the world and if Lescott can go for £24 then I wouldn't accept anything less. Top three for me is Baines.

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35 million + should be the asking price PKBLUE

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If we value Baines compared to how Felli is valued, then we would be hurt by the loss of Fellaini, but devastated by the loss of Baines. He's not just the best LB in the PL and maybe top 3 in world, but he's certainly the main reason I keep going to games. His presence in the club is utterly invaluable. Much as I think he's brilliant, how many 'off day' performances has Felli put in compared to the constant shift that Baines always puts in? No controversy or cynical play from Bainsy, either. Ever. I'd cry if he went for anything less than £20 Mil.

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27 Jun 2013 17:00:21
What's people's views on Taarabt from QPR? Seen him a couple of times on the television, looked like he has something about him, good driving force. He is only 24 (thought he was older) and QPR look willing to off load, rumoured 8 million, but might get for 6 ish, would he be a worthy addition? {Ed025's Note - not for me...a loose cannon, and very selfish..

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Too high maintenance. Great pace and feet, but all he does is moan moan moan moan moan. Don't think he has anywhere near the right attitude and worth ethic of the club. Or his own club, for that matter, if that's a benchmark. He'd be a liability. Nice Guy Martinez wouldn't know how to deal with him.

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27 Jun 2013 16:31:48
We are back in full time training as of next Thursday. 7 days.

At the moment we have (correct me if i'm wrong)

25 that may change if he moves some more thru, the youth ranks

1 Goalkeeper
9 Defenders 4 over 30, 3 very very inexperienced

This were we need to sterenghthen IMO.

Players I would let go.

Naismith
Heitinga
Hibbert

These 3 are just not good enough for the premiership now, To quick for them.

We don't need another striker IMO, that is not a necessity we have players who can score goals.

We need a midfield player with 90 mins box to box in him,
We need a decent back up keeper,
We need another CH, with pace.

Obviousley if/when we lose Felli, he is another spot that needs replacing, but weed still need the other quality midfield player.

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27 Jun 2013 17:44:53
So your moaning about having no defenders and then you say we should get rid of 2 heitinga can go naismith deserves another year and hibbert is staying could teach stones and browning a thing or two and just keep him as another player and when does a winger get the better of hibbert? Bloody hell man he kept walcott quiet at goodison you don't get much quicker than that he's an old fashioned right back and I admire him for that good defender best to keep him

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27 Jun 2013 16:21:30
am sorry ed but am I wrong in thinking that this will be like any other summer kenwright says no spending spree bony is going to Swansea for 12m where do they get there money from the other striker is off to Cardiff that we have been linked with and come on Honda will go ac Milan ahead of us any day of the week iv said this before we will sign some players from wigan free or a couple million same old story without moyes to save us our players are getting old moyes new that. {Ed025's Note - clubs like swansea and cardiff are playing a very dodgy game mate, the are hocking their clubs to the hilt, we will spend what we can afford, without putting the club in jeopardy, of course we all want big money signings, but at what cost?..

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Feel like the baines bid is a bit of swerve so kenwright looks good when rebuffing utd, so the real business of felliani going there will run smoothly and both parties looking good amongst there own fans. in are case anyway

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Dutch club Vitesse deny Ivory Coast striker Wilfried Bony is about to sign for Swansea City.

A statement read: "On Thursday 27 June various media reported that Wilfried Bony makes a move to Premier League club Swansea City.

"This message is incorrect. For the striker, last season top scorer in the Dutch Eredivisie, is a lot of interest and indeed Swansea City is one of the interested clubs. However, a transfer to Swansea City is not an issue at this time. "

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27 Jun 2013 16:04:48
How does Bill spell ambition? Stand still and add kone and alcaraz, give me a fing break. Oh need to wait until fellaini deal closes 10 minutes before close of window. Its okay Johnny can play holding mid and Bill can play holding the cash.
ed, find some good news

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27 Jun 2013 10:11:08
I like the new home kit, well the long sleeved shirt looks pretty good anyway!
What's your thought on the meeting last night ed? Some positives, namely the new that we have found a site for a new ground!
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Like I said in post further down, having a site, with plans and planning permission is a very good thing, it will make us a bit more appealing in terms of sale, funding big issue, but often biggest issue is finding a site and getting permission to build, with them in place we will become a lot more attractive to buyers.

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27 Jun 2013 14:38:42
Bony has signed for Swansea, we won't be getting him.

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6.5 million quid same as what we are supposed to be paying for that bum arouna kone, martinez isn't even in properly yet and I want him out, if his targets are bums then don't bother coming {Ed025's Note - give the guy a chance baru..he aint even started his job yet mate!..

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Utd rumoured to have offered 12 million for baines. surely this special relationship that kenwright has with moyes would either encourage or dissuade a bid, baines yesterday made all the right noises about wanting to stay. kenwrights comments last night hinted at player sale before we make transfers. will not forgive kenwright if he sanctions a move

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27 Jun 2013 14:32:09
Cardiff have signed Cornelius from FC Copenhagen.

Didnt we put in a bid for him?

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Yeah but we want kone now instead as he's 10 years older and no ability but he's 500k cheaper which is a plus ;)

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Yep and his club wanted something ridiculous like between £8m-£10m for him.

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27 Jun 2013 14:30:53
Cardiff agree fee with Cipenhagen for striker Andreas Cornelius

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27 Jun 2013 14:28:44
Possible transfers -
Outs
Fellaini 23m (75,000)
Heitinga 4m (45,000)
Naismith 2m (25,000)
Neville free (35,000)
Moyes free (70,000)

Ins-
Honda 2m (70,000)
Kone 5m (35,000)
Fer 7m (45,000)
Martinez 2m (40,000)
Alcaraz free (25,000)
Bony 10m (50,000)

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Bony and fer would take way way smaller wages then that. How much do you think Dutch teams pay there players anyway?

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Good moves

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27 Jun 2013 14:26:50
If the two players we have enquired about are Alcatraz and kone I am shocked an gutterd there's me thinking it Honda an fer does my head in this club just shows how ambitios we are liverpool building a team for the future were as we are building what to retire got really excited when I heard that then I just put 2an2 together no matter what anyone has to say on ere for a club like everton 6.5million is a joke for Sumone kone age he just an older anichebe you guys who say he good be honest with yourself you ain't seen no wer near enough of I'm to make that call Good afternoon ed an everyone else anyway havin a bad blues day sorry guys. Blue ducky

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If Liverpool interest you that much then why not go support them as we can do without whinging, moanie fans like you.

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27 Jun 2013 14:17:55
any chance on that shaktar lad? henrikh with thqat mad second name? him in the tam whre laughing tothe champo

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27 Jun 2013 14:14:06
New kit is nice good to see that blue stripe removed from the shorts and white socks are back but I never really minded the blue ones.

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27 Jun 2013 13:41:25
To be honest with you lads, I don't mind the kit. It wouldn't be my first choice but its not too bad. In fact, it's growing on me. So is the badge too to be honest (he says through gritted teeth). Once again, it wouldn't of been my first choice but on the kit it looks ok. I'll probably get ripped to pieces for this but it's just my opinion.

Disclaimer! I do prefer the old badge and I'm not too fond of the arm bands but as a whole, I do quite like the kit. Haha!

Everton Al.

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27 Jun 2013 12:55:59
Love the new socks. Hopefully the School of Science style of football will follow shortly.

COME ON YOU (WHITE SOCKS WEARING) BLUE BOYS

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What's the fist thing u wanna do if u have a baby boy gt him an everton kit.

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27 Jun 2013 12:32:56
Honda will choose us over Milan, he wants to come to the Premier League and we're offering higher wages, so there, he will choose Everton.

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27 Jun 2013 12:01:22
How many of us were demanding we sign Super Kev prior to hearing about our interest in the media? None.

And Leroy Fer before it was in the media? None.

And Jelavic (and all of you jumping on the bandwagon now were singing his praises in the first 6 months)? None.

Fans seem to have these 'must have' players just because agents or clubs have leaked that we may have scouted the player to the media. If a player moves clubs that has been linked with us, it doesn't mean we have missed out on anything.

Get pissed off at the end of the window, not at the start.

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I agree with all of this, but you've got to let the fans have their own say, and after all it is a rumours site. Also there aren't that many probable targets for our club to be interested in anyways because we are dead broke.

QB

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I was demanding Mirallas to sign when I first heard about him, and we signed him.

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No kits for infants again,. abosute amateurs running the club. please sum one buy are club

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27 Jun 2013 11:56:06
From last night, the air was BLUE when he tried to wash away a 10 million increase in the debt in 5 years.
The WO is me statement, about being scared to face EFC supporters.
Elstone is a YES man, BK does the books IMO
The ground in Stanley Park, is a pipe dream, and will only happen if we get a multi billionaire on board. Not with this board.
And I don't take a wage got to me,, No but your share capacity has gone thru the roof.

BAU with EFC, Buy cheap sell high.

I feel sorry for RM, he may have thought at EFC he would have more of a budget, I rather think he is seeing us for what we are.

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To be honest, I only understand the last sentence, Biffy.

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27 Jun 2013 11:53:06
All this rubbish about being skint based on the fact that we haven't signed anyone yet, and that must mean we need to sell before we buy.

Its a matter of spending the bucket of funds to increase the effectiveness of the squad, not to buy individual players just because they are good players. They need to fit the plan, now the guy who has the plan isn't back yet and would only have an opinion from a distance, rather than spending any time close with the squad/coaching staff.

If you want BK to run the football matters, then we should expect signings now. If you want the manager to manage the football matters, then how about we wait until the football manager starts work and can make good decisions, rather than quick ones to please the 'armchair' experts.

The scouting / football department would have far more targets for each position / type of player than we hear about, and than we even know of. If we miss the ones that go early, then the player probably wasnt interested in coming to us anyway. Otherwise they/or the club would force a delay - let's remember the window isn't even open.

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27 Jun 2013 11:04:01
Everton have just released a rugby shirt for next seasons home kit. Great

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27 Jun 2013 10:44:26
So BK has stated that he wants to keep his stars and bring in 2-3 players to beef up the squad. He also said that the youth should be brought through to the 1st team. To me this fits in with they way the club has been run for under BK. So although there has been many rumours referencing Feli leaving it may not be the case. IMO As for strengthening the squad with 2-3 more players I think RM may be looking for a Striker, CB and possible RM. If we have any additional departures for example JH or Feli then RM may get some additional funds to spend on replacemnets. So I think all they guys that think we will be bringinging 4-6 players may be disappointed. To me it looks like business as usual at EFC.

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27 Jun 2013 09:53:07
just posted a picture of ossie wearing the new kit on the sightings page

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That's osie in the old kit, with the new one superimposed on him.

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27 Jun 2013 09:16:29
Can't believe the club have messed up again with the availability of infant kits, I posted last year about the cock up, ther is no availability on kits if your child is between 2 and 3. absolute joke, how are we supposed to support the club by buying merchandise if its not available, ridiculous, anyone else pissed off with this farce?

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27 Jun 2013 09:08:49
The new kit is on the OS made up to see the white socks are back.

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The chap who uses the signing in name of EFC Whitesocks will be vey happy, and so would I.

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27 Jun 2013 08:35:30
Did BK mention any take over!
Did he mention why the debt is still 45mil, I've never known a debt to go down!
Did he mention how much the manager has to spend?
Do the people and I mean the finance and marketing staff who were responsible for the last few yrs ie kitbag, pre season tournaments lack of investment with Chang and Tim Cahill Australian roots. Are they still employed and if so why!! Until we have experts in the field of commercial and marketing areas we will still be run like a corner shop.
The CEO job is to oversea what the other dept do. Frankly I think elstone is way out of his depth!


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We have of the best commercial revenue in the league. The debt is at 45 still because we invest every penny. No one wants to buy a club that needs a massive outlay on a new stadium.

The club are moving forward with LCC for a new stadium and once a shovel is in the ground you bet we'll get some investment.

And you don't buy a player from China, Japan or wherever and start making millions of quid. If AC Milan buy a scouser would you go out and start buying ac shirts with his name on!

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Love the last sentence! Sums it all up haha

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27 Jun 2013 12:58:50
Sorry bluejonuns I totally disagree with your comments. Everton as a whole as been p poor commercially. I know for fact that 5 yrs ago we were offered a tour to Australia 3 games everything paid flight hotels ect with 750,000 to be paid to us. The yr before we were paid nothing on our pr season tour. Everton wanted 1000000. Guess what the offer was taken off the table.
The 750,000 is peanuts I agree however when you had Tim Cahill in the team it's the other commercial business that we lost out on.

Everton has to become a business not a toy! For an egomaniac!




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Sorry let me correct my statement it was meant to say best commercially outside the top six turnover of EPL teams.

Corporate and hospitality is our issue. I've said it before this won't improve until we get a new stand or stadium.

As for pointing out 1 preseason tour 5 years ago hardly makes our commercial activities poor and you're not going to make a million quid in 1 week in Australia unless we sell 20,000 footy shirts, which we wont. {Ed025's Note - kitbag would get that money anyway john..

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Even if we only get planning permission for Stanley park, and draw up plans etc to what can be built and cost, this alone will boost us in the market for a new buyer. I know funding will be big issue, but the fact plans are all in place with land available, this will be a big boost! Takes away some of the hardest work needed towards building a new stadium.

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Well said comment above. Stadium, Stadium, Stadium. That's what is holding us back not BK and board.

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27 Jun 2013 08:19:07
white socks!

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27 Jun 2013 08:02:04
Honda will choose Milan over us! may I remind u of Niang last summer. Between us and Milan, he had a trial at us and as soon as he found out Milan were interested he went straight over there. He is a class act though!

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Unless Honda and Niang are one and the same person, how can you know what Keisuke Honda would decide? If he wants to play in the PL he isn't going to go to Milan is he?

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27 Jun 2013 07:55:15
According to the local daily sports paper here in Barcelona, which is not usually wrong about Bar�a matters, Rafinha (Thiago Alc�ntara's brother) is about to join Celta Vigo on loan, even though Thiago's transfer to MU is expected to go through soon. So no joy there for the Blues.

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27 Jun 2013 07:19:45
Isnt the new kit supposed to be
released today? If not, then can
someone tell me when it will be
released.

Pecko

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27 Jun 2013 02:39:20
eds just a quick one and u do an amazing job by the way do u work in shifts so the site gets updated through the night or do u switch off at a certain time just wondering {Ed025's Note - some of the eds do a night shift mate, it depends on volume of posts..

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27 Jun 2013 02:33:47
For all the talk of players going out and a new cadre of players coming in, keep in mind we did finish 6th last season.

6th place with a thin team and little depth, players out of position (Fellaini), injuries, and a team obviously tired late in games and late in the season.

6th place with a defensive minded coach who tried to protect 1-nil leads for 45 minutes, numerous draws becoming losses and wins becoming draws in the final minutes of matches, and the young players (Barkley, Stones, Oveido, and Duffy) never seeing the pitch against inferior teams.

RM played Everton thrice last year and knows what we need to fixed (another poster said this far more eloquently). A little depth at low cost and a few players may be all the tweaking we need, including a more aggressive style of football.

At least Ratboy is leaving the EPL and the UK.

CYOB 2013-14

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27 Jun 2013 02:02:36
Short of getting a hit man, how the hell are we ever going to get rid of kenwright. This man is an inconpetant, unprincipaled and would not recognise the truth if it stood up and bit him in the ass. Good old bill, what would we do without him? Run a sucssesful comercial operation, bring in investment, stop the mushroom treatment of suporters, sh-- on them twice a day and keep them in the dark. YES BILL, YOUR A REAL TRESURE.

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To blame someone for being incompetent whilst spelling it wrong really is an epic fail

Toffee ace.

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You don't know what you're talking about. Period.

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My dyslexia does mean my spelling comes up short now & again. However, it you are gullible enough to trust the words of our chairman, what's your excuse!

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27 Jun 2013 00:59:28
Prince Alwaleed bin Talal reports on twitter that he is investing in an epl football team

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Probably crystal palace

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27 Jun 2013 00:56:23
Were already four signings behind the reds

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And? .

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So? they could sign a hundred, doesn't mean they are good signings

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Last poster spot on lad look at qpr and how many signings they made it didn't make them any better did it quantity doesn't always mean quality you have got to get the right character not just make the numbers up just a thought

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Must be good at maths you mate

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27 Jun 2013 13:17:00
They signed a sevilla reject, an overweight 30+ year old man city reject probably on 90k a week, a striker who has a goal to game ration of a goal every 4 or 5 games and after joe hart probably the most overrated keeper in the prem maybe begovic is a bit more overrated but mignolet is also belgiums THIRD choice keeper I would not want us to waste any of our budget on these players as none of them would get in our team

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26 Jun 2013 23:20:12
i am exited to see the start of next season!

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Excited*

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26 Jun 2013 23:13:13
Was there any mention of any possible take over or investment at the agm?

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There was abit

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26 Jun 2013 23:04:38
Any idea how much Shane Long would cost I think he would be decent coming of the bench? Better than Kone

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No thanks

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