Everton Banter Archive July 27 2011

 

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27 Jul 2011 23:35:07
I'll probably get hammered for this but as neither us or Liverpool can afford the new grounds we need. Maybe time to bite the bullet and share a ground. So we can generate transfer funds {Ed025's Note - the reds wont agree to that..they have got money....and like nothing better than to see us struggle..

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I agree with you. I think Everton should use the media to put pressure on Liverpool council to promote the idea of a ground share to both clubs. The council (unsuprisingly) ok'd Liverpools ground proposals while turning ours down.

Imo they "should" feel under pressure to aid both clubs in finding new stadium sites or one site for a shared ground. From their point of view a ground share should make most sense, as it's alot easier to find one rather than two sites and would cause less disruption to the city whilst also causing less problems due to only having to plan a transport infastructure for one stadium.

I'd prefer to be a massive club with a world reknowned stadium, that competes for top honours, that happens to share a ground with their local rivals, than be an also ran club that has their own stadium and has to endure watching ManchesterLondon clubs dominate.

*whiteshadow*

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Bang on the dot Ed

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I reckon we shoul build TWO stadiums on Stanley Park. Both clubs consider the area to be their spiritual home, there is enough land to accommodate them and just think about it Every time something is built these days it has to be "iconic" and what could be more iconic that a complex that could have so much more than 2 grounds on it. We could re-build the sports centre for the community, museums, club shops, etc, etc, etc. It would be a world famous tribute to the heritage of our great city

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I posted something on Ground sharing on Tuesday, I said about the littlewoods building on Edge Lane.

Steve J (Blue Nose)

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I understand the point of 2 grounds being Iconic however surely it would defeat the point as there would still be construction costs of 2 stadiums.

Surley a better idea would be 1 ground maybe 2 flagship hotels (1 red, 1 blue) maybe a Casino and a few bars. Turn the area in to a tourist attraction were people stay the whole weekend and more importantly pump lots of money into the club and local economy.

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What i dont understand about the ground thing, both clubs go on about losing the history of the ground and club with we share.

We would lose the grounds history if we move anyway, Goodison has been a good home to us over the years and be a shame to lose it however needs must.

shame we cant but the houses around goodison knock them down and extend outwards.

Steve J (Blue Nose)

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2 flagship hotels? How the hell would they even fill the rooms in one of them in L4 when there are so many top class hotels in the city centre? 2 stadiums, side by side would be awesome The problem currently isn't construction costs, it's location. Everton can't find a site, if we had land with planning permission, we would have 'em falling all over themselves to take us over. The sh*te have managed to attract 2 sets of owners on the back of Stanley park.

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How would you fill 2 hotels? Simple There would be a home game at least once a week and with a leisure village as described (casino, bars, restuarants etc) all in the back drop of a beautiful park it would be a destination of its own.
Have you ever tried getting a hotel on match day? The Irish and Scandanvians need to stay somewhere.

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27 Jul 2011 21:49:08
I just want to post a few figures from the Annual Reports and Accounts for 2010 for Everton just to show some of the fans that the board isn't ripping the fans off and not investing money in order to line their own pockets.

The truth is that Kenwright is spending more on giving Moyes a competitive team (wages) than we are generating as a club to cover those wages whilst at the same time not putting us in to so much debt that it risks our clubs future.

I think he is doing everything he can to help David Moyes and that is the reason why Moyes stays, because he is given a level of respect and control at the club that any manager would find hard to get at any other club.

I do think BK and the board are open to be criticised about their bodged attempts at findingfinancing a new stadium which is the key to our future and about failed attempts to find new investment but I think it's unfair to criticise them about not spending money when we are spending more than what the club generates.

Our options are to either overspend (do we want to end up suffering like Leeds?) or let Moyes (who I believe decides on who stays or goes and knows our financial constraints) make the big decisions on wether he needs to sell any of our players in order to finance strengthening other areas of our team, get on with his job and put our trust in him, because without him and the full backing he has of Kenwright (even if we are poor) we are lost.

Anyway, here are the figures to show that we pay alot more in wages than some may believe and that the money we generate doesn't cover all the cost our club incurs.

Turnover

Gate ReceiptsProgramme Sales 19.2M
TV 50.1M
SponsorshipMerchandising 7.1M
Catering 0.9M
Other 1.6M

Total 79M

Amortisation of players registrations 17.1M
Staff costs 54.3M
Depreciation 1.5M
Other operating costs 23.7M
Total Expenses 96.7M

We're doing great considering the revenue our club generates without a rich benefactor. Moyes is working miracles with what he has to work with and pound for pound spent we are the highest achieving team in the Premier League.

I think we should focus our efforts on getting Kenwright and the board to findfinance a new state of the art stadium because that is how our team will generate extra revenue and approved plans for a new stadium will attract new investors to the club.

IMWT

*whiteshadow* {Ed025's Note - enlightening and very well put together post mate..iv got to say that i am not BK,s biggest fan..and i know he loves the club, maybe its a jealousy thing, but when you see smaller clubs..spending millions, and we are in the poor house, its hard to see his good side!..for me, we need investment, our ground..is dilapidated, at best ,and to compete for top honours, we need to invest in our squad, maybe the club has out-grown him..but without investment i can see no way forward..

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I agree, it's depressing watching smaller clubs spend millions on players when we can't but I still believe our team will out perform 99% of them in the league because we have a better team, players and manager.

I just wish the board could find that investment because I really believe Moyes could add the finishing touches to our team and get us competing with the top 4 teams for a relatively small outlay compared to what the likes of Liverpool, Man City etc have been spending.

With the failed stadium plans I'm not sure who was to blame. Were the proposals flawed? was it just bad luck? was it the council being biased in the Reds favour etc.

The lack of any new stadium on the horizon is what worries me, because without a new stadium, our team is going to be continually struggling against the odds and the resulting lack of funds is what will lead to Moyes eventually leaving.

The board really need to address that problem as their first priority because atm we're treading water.

I'm not opposed to a ground share with Liverpool because if both our clubs combined resources we'd both benefit from having a new stadium with an even bigger capaicity than if we both try to build them seperately and unless we want to see a continued domination of the ManchesterLondon clubs both teams need to build as big a stadium as they can to compete.

At the end of the day would both sets of fans prefer to have seperate grounds and both be outside the top 4 on a frequent basis, while they watch other teams dominate or pool our resources and build a state of the art stadium that would put the city of Liverpool back on the map and allow both Liverpool teams to compete with the top sides and be a testament to the great footballing tradition of the city?

*whiteshadow* {Ed025's Note - lets pray he dos,nt go..but the shared stadium is a non starter, i feel both sets of supporters are against it...good post though mate..

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Great read
But a few points, Depreciation & Amortisation aren't actual expenses, in a sense of actually paying that money
I understand that its our wage bill thats killing us, which begs the question why we're paying everyone so much
We have one of the smallest squads in the league so I dread to imagine wot other clubs wages bills are like
I cant imagine our kids are on that much money, and the likes of Ozzie cant be earning a huge wad either I'd luv to see a full list of the wage bill to see exactly where we're overspending

I do strongly agree about the ground share, coz as far as I can see it's our only solution Sadly the majority of the fans wouldn't allow it

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The depreciation or amortisation as it is termed in accountancy circles is just a theory. It works on the principle that at the end of a players contract he is worth £0 to the club so the original transfer fee is spread over the length of the contract so a £10m pound transfer fee is then written off over a 5 year contract by £2m a year. The asset value is depreciating.
Everton have all their major stars (bar Fellaini) on longish contracts, so if you were to consider the players as having an asset value then the financial picture is a lot better. The club basically does spend what it earns, but we have no ideas or clear vision on how to increase the revenues and how an owner with some financial muscle can come in and provide the investment to secure Everton's position at the top table of football in the long term. Moyes's achievements over the last few years have masked the true under performance of the club and I try not to think to much about a doomsday scenario should he decide that he has done enough at Everton and seeks a bigger challenge elsewhere.

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27 Jul 2011 21:18:19
Knowing us, we'll get our best 5 players injured. Ie Baines, Jags, Felli, Osman, Mikel, and we'll end up finishing around 13th. Even my mate thinks we'll struggle to make top half at this rate, due to other teams getting bigger and stronger (He's a football genius aswell haha:'( ) {Ed025's Note - if he thinks we will finish 13th...a football genius...he is not, it is troubled times i admit..but come the end of the season, we will be up there..and you can take that to the bank!

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Sadly, I disagree. We've been overachieving for years now, every other team around us is getting better, except us. We will gradually slip down the table at this rate {Ed025's Note - we are better than you think..most of our first team could easily play for the top 4..keep the faith brother!, we will be ok..

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First of all, your mate's an idiot. I do admit we always do seem to be plagued with injuries to our key players but we always come through it with a great work ethic, team effort and superb management. Personally i'm proud we don't have to spend stupid money to finish where we finish most seasons. The blues are an example of how football should be in this day and age. Played with passion instead of money. {Ed025's Note - well said buddy..

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Sadly, without ANY money nowadays in football, we will struggle. {Ed025's Note - sad.....but true..

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13th Really?? Football genius, HA
Which teams do you really believe have overtaken us this window?
Overachieving? We've consistantly been in the top half now for years, I wouldn't call that overachieving
I know its been a tough summer, but isn't it always We'll still finish 7th come the end of the season, and I know that we shouldn't settle for that but its just how it is in football today, and we should still be proud to support this great club
Things could be worse so keep the faith

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Yes we could support the red s***e now that would be depressing ha

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Why arnt we buying players?
we must have a bit of money from vaughan pienaar etc an wheres the 49m that people keep sayin we have got?

personally i think we should sign s.long for about 5-7m for a club like us we should be gettin better players but we cant afford anyone i think we will finish top 10 this year but if no one invests people will leave and weel end up like teams like blackburn

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27 Jul 2011 21:12:41
I don't see why it's so hard for Everton to come out and tell us where the Pienaar and Vaughan money has gone and why we have no money. We have a huge fan base etc. {Ed025's Note - why not..indeed..

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Just because we sold them doesnt mean the money is for transfers, Just like any other club we have debts that need paying so its prob gone there.

Steve J (Blue Nose)

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27 Jul 2011 17:45:41
it looks as though we wont be selling yobo and the yak, well lets see them in full training working their socks off to get in the team. ok they may be past their best but they are as good as half the nobody's we have been linked with.

give Bily a run behindthe striker pre season and if he cant do it, tell every team in Russia he is available. {Ed025's Note - yobo + yak have nailed their colours to the mast...they would both prefer to ply their trade elsewhere, so i dont want them at our club, any player , who is not 100% commited to everton can p*ss off..

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27 Jul 2011 17:44:06
Personally I think Aiden McGeady is exactly what Everton need atm.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4crwpz7EFM {Ed025's Note - hes a bit like marmite..you either love him...or hate him..

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Good shot on him

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27 Jul 2011 17:03:55
A client of mine was speaking to Bill Kenwright last week. BK said Jags will be sold for £18m within the next couple of weeks. The money we get for him will be going to the bank and will not be used to fund signings. This conversation is 100% factual....I am just praying that BK was playing his cards close to his chest re no new signings coming in but I fear not {Ed025's Note - sorry mate..dont believe a word of it..if i had a penny, for everytime i heared..i was talking to bill kenwright, or his uncle, or sister...i would have...£17 57p..

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Thats bulls*** mate as all real evertonians know its down to david moyes who goes and who stays and thats a FACT

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And if you had £17.59p you could be the investor we need

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Youre a muppet

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27 Jul 2011 16:53:52
Just to add some more youthful names that in my view are showing true potential and have not received a mention
Bidwell, Browning and Dier (even though with us on a somewhat difficult to grasp lone agreement). When added to Duffyand Mustaphi there is plenty of defensive cover in the production line and not far off
When added to the midfield and attacking "youth" the future is bright the future is BLUE
IMWT

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27 Jul 2011 16:06:13
EVERTON IS THE SCHOOL OF EXCELLANCE
WATCH ARE YOUNGSTERS TURN OVER THE OPPOSITION THATS IN FRONT OF US RIGHT THROUGH NEXT SEASON.EUROPE HERE WE COME.COME ON YOU MIGHTY BLUES CANT WAIT FOR THE SEASON TO START AND ALL OUR THOUSANDS OF FANS CHEERING YOU ON. LET THE FANS BE THE 12TH MAN AGAIN LIKE WE WERE COUPLE SEASONS AGO.THE COLD SHIVERS THAT GO RIGHT DOWN MY SPINE EVERYTIME I HEAR THE EVERTON FANS SING MAKES ME PROUD TO BE A BLUE. {Ed025's Note - nice one mate..

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Current financial situation means this season will be the only one you will see these great youngsters(only seen them pre-season), oz if they are that good they'll be gone next season to balance the books again. Leaving us with the old stagers AGAIN

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27 Jul 2011 15:54:49
The only rumours are that we aint gonna be buying anyone folks and Im fairly ceritain nobody is on their way out to be honest if so then its people who wont make a difference (Yak etc..)

Moyes will do the best he can with what team he has, if we can battle for a place in Europe then that will be an achievement in the position we are in financially.

I know people are getting tired of Moyes blaming injuries why we dont do better but id rather have him in the hotseat than anyone else right now.

My dream signing would still be Landon D but hes getting older each season we dont get him.... :0(

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27 Jul 2011 15:47:27
EVERTON WILL GET AIDEN MCGEADY FROM SPARTAK MOSCOW TO BE HONEST IVE ALWAYS LIKED MCGEADY FROM HIS TIMES AT CELTIC ID LOVE HIM AT EVERTON AND ID SAY HE'S FAR MORE BETTER THEN N'ZOGBIA.N'ZOGBIA IS GOOD IN A CRAP SIDE(WIGAN).MCGEADY HAS EVEN DONE WELL IN EUROPE WITH BOTH CELTIC AND SPARTAK HE CAN ALSO BAG PLENTY OF GOALS AND A DECENT SET-PIECE TAKER.HOPE SEAMUS COULD PUT A WORD IN AND SAY JOIN US.

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Abosolute Bo**ox mate, I have seen mcgeady play week in week out when he played for celtic, Sure he scored a few good goals, he can dribble and yes admittedly he is pacey but remember this is when he was playing in the SPL Don't forget though and no disrespect to the SPL the opposotion apart from probably Rangers are the equivelant to playing 3rd division teams.

So anyone with his attributes would stand out, his final ball is agnonisingly painfull to watch he falls over more times than heskey, I would say about 1 in probably 25 crosses hit the target when he played for celtic, he would not be my choice over Bily (Mcgeady is just another Mcfadden when he first signed for us, full of promise when he arrived yet he was soon exposed and he was found wanting against better qualty players in general, he was posted missing in action in 90% of the games he played for us).

Stay well clear of Mcgeady {Ed025's Note - thanks for the advice pal...you are not the first one to doubt his suitability..

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PS
REMIND ME HOW MANY TIMES HAVE CELTIC WON AN AWAY GAME IN EUROPE IN THE LAST 5 YEARS WHEN MCGEADY WAS IN THE SQUAD?
ANSWER: NOT A SINGLE GAME. (FACT).
HE CAN'T CUT IT AGAINST BETTER QUALITY PLAYERS MATE...
MY ARGUEMENT STANDS CASE CLOSED....STAY WELL CLEAR

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27 Jul 2011 15:15:40
I can understand fans coming out in support of BK, however lets make one thing clear the majority of fans against BK are not looking for or expecting massive changes or transfers, we know we cant compete financially with many teams around us.

We feel like we've stopped standing still and are now going backwards, all we want is a little more communication and a little more honesty from the board who run the club we love . We want to see the club going forward, even if its only baby steps, we want to see a plan nd structure for the future, and lets face it the current board have produced cock after cockup over the last ten years, from stadiums to announcing transfers before they were complete.

We all hold our heads up high supporting everton even if it may be difficult and torturous at times with the current board and no mater what happens this summer we will all be biting our nails every saturday cheering on our beloved toffee's, that because we are passionate, loyal and true supporters.

So come on BK get off your ass and move our club in the right direction

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27 Jul 2011 14:25:52
Im just gonna get this out of the way. no1 is joining, and personally as long as no1 goes then we will be alright, the youth we have got coming though will get a chance and will probally be quite impressive ifthe friendlies are anything to go on. i mean Gueye looks good on the wing and has been scoring. a few other youths are coming though, and Beckford looked good towards the end of last season and can get us 20+ a season, and maybe playing 4-4-2 with him up with the Yak or Vic can be effective because when they play on there own they are aways winning the ball but have no1 up with them. everyone just chill, i can see us getting something next season we will be fine

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27 Jul 2011 14:04:19
No offence, but anybody else find that Ed is just a typical board hater who actually couldn't come up with a logical solution? So we haven't got money, i wish we had some, but give up on the bloody Kenwright Out rubbish. You're just sounding like those annoying facebook groups that get nowhere anyway. For a club with no money, we are very very well run. But maybe you'd all rather have an ugly Venky's logo on our shirts, but for me, no thanks. {Ed001's Note - are you for real? The club has plenty of money incoming, low wages, low outgoings, yet never anything to spend. There is something seriously wrong there, you can bury your head all you like but Everton should be able to afford more than they can.}

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Sorry ed but i have to agree with this guy all you seem to do is grumble and complain about money and seem to forget about the main priority the football, i think you are the one who has misunderstood whats going on at the club, every penny earned by kenwright goes back to the club we do not have low wages several of our players earn 45k per week and some earn around 60k dont forget all the backroom staff and the youth and academy players who have very well paid scholarships, you seem angry that our club is in a bad financial position but then complain that the money is only used to pay off the bank well to be honest id rather have no signings and have our club not go into administration, people are complaining about teams like sunderland spending more than us that is because they had a 25 mil windfall from darren bent and im sure that if we sold someone worth that amount we would also invest in the team, i.e. lescott money was spent straight away on billy 10 mil, distin 6 and johnny 6 thats 22 of the 24 we got for him. you should listen to the club rather than the people on here who claim to know whats going on, everyone here complains about robert elstones blog the fact of the matter is he is the CEO and id much prefer to believe him than someone on here whos best mates with BKs uncle {Ed025's Note - listen mate..im a life long paid up member.of everton..so im entitled to moan, if you are happy with the way the club is being run, then good luck to you!..you are entitled to your opinion......but so am i!..my opinion( and i think the majority of everton fans), is that we deserve better than what the club is meeting out at the moment, ie..lack of transparency...lack of signings... lack of investment etc, you may be happy with that...but i am not!..

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I agree there are things the club could do better, such as better communication with the fans. But Ed, i feel as though your pessimism is without any backing. One of Europes best academy's is not cheap to run, niether is a first team with some very talented (and very well paid) players. You can't say Kenwright is taking money out for his own endeavours, that's utter rubbish. We deserve a better budget, stadium and others but we aren't going to get that without investment. What is your plan, push out Kenwright and then who runs club hey? I highly doubt investors are being chased away by Kenwright, it's the fact that all our costs are only just covered by our income (which is fine but it doesn't leave enough for stadium development, something investors aren't keen on financing). So be a bloody Evertonian and support our team instead of ridiculing it. Opinions aren't opinions if they're just somewhat illogical criticisms {Ed025's Note - lets get it right...i have never intimated that BK has taken money out of everton for his own endeavours!,,,also i am a boody everton supporter, and come the start of the season, will be cheering them on every game..but unlike you, i have not got ostrich syndrome..everyting in the garden is not rosy..i tellit like it is..

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Come on then Ed, give us an example of a "transparent" board at another club. No board in the top flight is particularly "open" now are they? I'll take Blue Bill over any of the crooks who ruined Portsmouth, West Ham, Liverpool (first yanks), Blackburn and many, many more outside of the top flight any day of the week and twice on Sundays {Ed025's Note - i get what you mean mate..im just hoping for a bit of light, at the end of the tunnel..just a statement of intent!...a crumb..anything..

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27 Jul 2011 14:03:20
all i can say is it will be even worse come next sunmer every year its escalateing

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27 Jul 2011 14:00:38
I've been thinking and i doubt we were even properly in for N'zogbia.
Look at what Moyes has done, seems we have overlooked it becuase actually, major transfers right now would be useless.
i highly doubt players will be leaving this window, and I think Moyes has known this. So with a packed first team midfield and Barkley coming through we are fine. And, he knew Gueye would be a possible starter this season (as a winger or if Cahill's out, then a center-forward).
Plus, there's one thing we've overlooked, Moyes did basically all the dealing we need last season. Beckford will be vital this season and secondly is Vellios. Just because he only cost 250 000 doesn't mean Moyes doesn't intend to push him, Moyes would not spend any money on someone he didnt genuinely think could add to the team.
Once Yak and Yobo go, i still don't even think we'll sign anyone (maybe McClean). I think Moyes is saving whatever he has for January (when damage control is needed for injuries). Personally, i like what Moyes is doing, he has a plan, never doubt him. And i don't think Moyes hasn't got backing from the board, look at our possible selections for next season - capable of doing brilliantly, certainly up to January.

Steve EFC

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Steve EFC

Great post , ate. i think thats the best post on here all day. Know what your talking about. I think your spot on with the nzogbia deal, we were never really in for him, jus putting rumours that we were to try keep the fans on board. But what a terrible move for a class player, villa are going to be awful next year with mcleish, why do you think everyones leaving. Nzogbia should really use his brain a bit here, he's better off staying at wigan. We wont sell or buy anyone in this transfer window, that im certain of. I think as pre seasons progressed, hes become happier with what hes got with the emergence of the youngsters. I cant wait to see guaye and more importantly barkley next season, ross is the next big thing. Mark my words

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Thanks mate, i just think everybody on here is acting like Moyes doesn't know what he's doing. He's been doing us well for a decade, what makes everyone think that now he's got no clue? And i agree about Barkley, i expect our bench to be regualrly filled by youth talent, but i can also see him getting a starting run. Plus, we haven't even seen Silva yet (i'm not sure if we'll see much, but once again, Moyes didn't buy him for nothing)

Steve EFC Twitter: @SteveBiggert {Ed025's Note - moyes does know what he is doing, no doubt about it.....by the way steve...really enjoyed your post....uplifting..

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27 Jul 2011 13:13:43
out
yakubu
yobo

in
well probablly sign 1 decent player

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Only problem at the moment is everyone knows we are desperate for funds so they will try and get them on the cheap so they will hold out till we back down

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27 Jul 2011 12:50:41
although it is frustrating to say the least at present with our financial position it is better than the likes of birmingham, portsmouth, leeds, west ham to name a few all had spent millions and been completely mismanaged and look where they are now and realistically what hope of getting back to the big time?
something will happen even if temporary loans to get us through this campaign not wat we want but it buys us time also moyes said he will only bring in players that will improve the squad not just buy for numbers.

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27 Jul 2011 12:09:34
whats going on ed? not many updates today? {Ed001's Note - it's a quiet day, July tends to be quiet when there is no World Cup or European Championships, it has been unusually busy this year.}

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27 Jul 2011 12:44:40
its a grand old team to play for, its a grand old team to surport. and if you know your history its enough to make your heart go OHHHHHHH. WE DONT CARE WHAT THE RED s**tE SAY WHY f*** WOULD WE CARE, goes we only know that theres gonna be a show when the everton boys are there

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27 Jul 2011 10:47:46
this is for all the everton fans having a go at everton lack of signings, the way i see it is no matter what everton do(buy or sell)at the end of the day we all will still be everton fans and will still tun up every game.yes things could be done better and more open, as a fan for over 30 years i have seen great sides a goodison but the team we have today is very good and will finish top 8 as last season, you dont have to go back very far to remember the days of only just staying in the premier league, i for one am very happy that those days have gone and we have done very well finishing 4th in 2005 and uefa cup/europa league in most other seasons(bar are 17th place)we would have been in europe again this season but last season was very odd.lets hope everton hit the ground with a win at spurs and kick on, the fixture list looks very good for a fast start, coyb

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27 Jul 2011 00:25:53
The club and the players at Everton do their best when they are up against the wall. I'm usually the most pessimistic when it comes to Everton and all things related, but the trend is that when we get some bad injuries we do well, when we all lose belief, Everton come right back and remind us why we love them. Also everytime we get that hope and expectation which we have had plenty of times going into the seasons before, we have been poor. 2004/2005, how depressing was that? Losing Rooney, Radzinski and replacing both with Marcus Bent...
Would i like some new additions and excitement? Yes
Unfortuantely it appears we are really up against in financially, so lets hope that the team that does best in time of trouble, comes up trumps again. {Ed025's Note - i know what you mean mate...but my violin is running out of strings..

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There is a case for optimism and i think we will have a good season, it could just be an even better season with a couple of additions. I won't panic too much while the window is open, as moyes is good at picking up bargains and getting the best out of them

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On the bright side of the coin we are one of few clubs that arent panic buying british players because of the new rules in place

Steve J (Blue Nose)

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Couldnt agree more. The bottom line is that the majority of big clubs make a loss every year and are in ridiculous amounts of debt. From what i have read we just about break even every year. Therefore Kenwright is being sensible and not borrowing millions of pounds to waste on players that wont necessarily be better than what we already have. Until we get a new ground and increase revenue it will be the same every transfer window. The obvious other alternative is outside investment, would any toffee out there really want to be owned by the bunch that own Blackburn or the various clowns that have owned Pompey? I dont think Moyes would stick around with certain types of investors running the club. Our priority is to keep Moyes and keep producing great local kids out of the academy. Saying all this i am disappointed that no money at all is getting made available for Moyes. The man must have the patience of a saint. On a separate note, really looking forward to the emergence of Ross Barkley amongst others this season. From what i have seen and read this boy could be the real deal. COYB

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26 Jul 2011 23:39:37
Anichebes performances have been inconsistent, that has brought him his fans and his critics, but following his first half performance against DC United he has gained a bit of respect. Moyes was full of praise for him and next season could be the time for anichebe to come good and with velios looking promising, they could boost our striking options {Ed025's Note - i very much hope, it was a sales pitch, we need to get rid of hangers on, and victor is top of my list!..

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I would like to see anichebe sold, vossen brought in and velios to get more chances next season and that would boost our attacking options {Ed025's Note - the first part of your post..is the most important..

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26 Jul 2011 23:36:34
Rodwell 20, barkley 17, baxter 19, felliani 22, gueye, 21, coleman 22, mustafi 19, duffy 19, vellios 18, silva 20, mcaleny 19....... Just thought id write this so some people can see what young talent we have because a lot of comments on here are about the age of our squad and how apparently we NEED to bring in loads and loads of young faces. Why soend millions on young players we know nothing about when we have a good core of players already here ??
All we need is a striker and i think moyes knows that, he's done the job for us before moyes and he will do it again, something will come up, i honestly think as soon as moyes gets rid of yobo or yakubu or even both then he will move for a striker.
We have a solid defence and lots of quality midfielder's, this is real football, not football manager on the PC like some people act, moyes knows his job, after all he been with us 10 years Stay positive lads
Paul EFC {Ed025's Note - thanks for that paul...you have really cheered me up..

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I completely agree paul, we have a good mix of experience and youth and a striker would be the final piece of the jigsaw. We will be top 7 again, maybe a decent chance of 6th {Ed025's Note - COYB..

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Paul, I commend your optimism, but look at the stats. We need a right back[Neville is not the answer], a wide midfield player with pace [name one in our squad; that's right, there is no one], a top class striker who knows where the onion bag is [Saha yes, but so injury prone; the rest are pretty average] and NO, we do not have a solid defence...they shipped goals like a sieve last season...so please, with all due respect, wake up buddy...

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Our defence isn't good and leaked goals all season ?? We conceded 43 goals fella, 5th best in the league All the top teams would love to have Baines and Jagielka along with them two we have great experienced players like Neville and Distin and also if he stays and sorts his attitude out we have Heitinga who is still 26/27and would replace Distin, we have a ready made right back in coleman, who can also play right mid (and has the pace your saying we don't have on the wing)
So with all due respect to you mate, look at the facts before you say our defence is not solid and we ship goals like a sieve
Paul EFC

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