Everton Banter Archive August 27 2013

 

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27 Aug 2013 23:01:00
Really hope the felli to utd for 20 mill rumours are false! His release clause was more than that so why sell for less and especially to utd who can afford to pay a lot more (his full worth), I don't even think bk should deal with them full stop but if he must then fellaini shouldn't go for less than 25 million and that's full payment upfront and add ons after that! Come on bk show some balls and stand up to the mancs I'm sick and tired of them getting what they want when they want (referring mostly to the ferguson days).

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We are fast becoming their feeder club, it will be Ross next. Sad but true, board have no spine.

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I think your forgetting the player himself, he has hinted before he would be wanting champs league and may want the move himself

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Twoold I usually like your posts; intelligent, informative and often witty but I can't agree with the 'feeder club' statement. Rooney 10 years ago and? One player every 10 years is not a lot. Personally I'm happy to see felli go but selling him at less than the buyout clause makes a mockery of RM's statement once it expired. I feel it undermines the new manager at a time when he needs our support, which sadly many 'supporters' are already unwilling to give.

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Always lose players under this board .but to be honest all clubs lose players .are board needs a major shake up there performance in commercial and sponsorship deals is sub standard .its all down to finances and wages, but as a club even now we should be working on Ross Barkley future, if he keeps progressing clubs will be offering him over a 100 grand aweek .we need to up our game off the pitch because we are becoming a feeder club for the top four .spurs made the decision a few years ago to take themselves seriously and don't sell to there rivals .everton need to do the same

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Pod I know its every ten years mate but its always the best young players who are the future of the club. Sorry to dissapoint mate.

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27 Aug 2013 22:42:39
okay first off shut up about mata we have 2 hopes no hope and bob hope us dead secondly congratulations to ross barkley on his senior england call up but hey don't take much to get in the england squad nowadays basically if you play for any of the top four sides you're in anything below that and you have to perform quality each week (jags only a regular once terry retired and terry has been rubbish for years now) but he has given a call up at the age of 19 after one good quality game (sterling called up at the age of 17 after one okay game and being regarded as best youth prospect in the world so hodgson chucks him in hey am not having a dig at kopites just saying I mean not like gotze, el shaarawy or wilshere are any good is it) so let's not put unneeded pressure on him and expect great things from him just let him develop and he will make it just hope engands ex players and staff don't rush him and fill his head with nonsense so anyway good luck to him don't think he will play as they are world cup qualifiers but its the thought that counts bet cleverley starts both games though still dunno what anyone sees in him also a well done to andros townsend on being in the squad too good luck to both of them

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27 Aug 2013 21:58:11
Hi ed .wrote to you about the clubs debt, and you said we had to pay 5million every year and big bucks to top accountants to keep the bank of our backs. Why don, t we give all the sky money to the bank and get ourselfs straight .also sell felli to fund incoming transfers .then next year we might have more money to spend on players . That is the only way we will compete with clubs in Europe .
Good post from Roy all blue . {Ed025's Note - all incoming monies will be accounted for vinny..unfortunately mate..

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I have got an even better idea, let's get someone who can actually put together a sensible shirt sponsorship deal and a shirt supplier deal that brings us in more than 5m a season that we currently get.
the RS get 45 mill and are on the box every live game to see if that helps them.
we wouldn't be losing 5m a year with financially sound directors instead of clowns.

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Reply to Blue Vinny: The Sky money is to pay the wages of the players, staff and personnel and also the interest to the banks.

Ste Old Swan.

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£7m a year is paid in interest alone, the value of our kit sponsor deal (£4m) and our kit manufacturer (£3m).
This year's money was borrowed against last year.

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27 Aug 2013 21:05:13
HELLO ED'S AND ESPECIALLY ED025! Don't know if you remember me, it's MikeTheBlue, Iv'e been living in Australia for 8 months, not been on here for ages!
Are the usual lot still posting on here, can't remember everyone who used to post but Degsy was one for a bit of banter and I remember Cowpat Sid etc.
Anyway, any news on decent rumours ed that you can comment on? Hearing a lot about this Mcarthy lad, good player him I rate him.
Oh, and what about that nugget who used to be our gaffer, disrespectful comments lately, no wonder we won nowt under him!
Personally think Fellaini will go this week, but confident we will keep Baines. Not too fussed about Fellaini in all honesty, we can replace him with a couple of top players!
Anyway I won't harp on too much, it's good to be back!

COYB

MikeTheBlue

1878 {Ed025's Note - nice to hear from you mike, lots of rumours about players mate, but nothing concrete, but Mcarthy looks the best bet out of them all..

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27 Aug 2013 21:41:50
Good to see you back Mike, all the regulars are still lurking about and loads of newbies too mate, don't know where Tristan ever went too as he just vanished of ace of the earth. Ed 25 is still the main man though.

Degsy

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Welcome back mike.

Toffee ace

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Oh Tristan I remember him. The only gay in the village wasn't he!? Missed the page, thought ed025 might of retired! Reading through some posts I think its the right time to bring back the BS rating haha!
Watched both of our games and saw bits of pre season from the website, positive signs and I like Martinez so far despite him not being my first choice. My opinion on players is that Coleman and Gibson will be key this season and I still have faith in Jelavic and think once Kone finds his feet he will do well. Also Mirallas will be class this season despite his slow start.
Pretty obvious to me that were crying out for a solid CM with lots of energy to partner Gibson. Inevitable that Fellaini will go isn't it?Hope something happens before the window shuts.
Let the rumours/arguments/banter/BS begin!

MikeTheBlue

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27 Aug 2013 19:36:52
What does everyone think about Chelsea’s Marco Marin, defo can’t see him getting any game time at all now that they stacked up with so many midfielders, would he be available to buy or loan? Just a thought!

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He is out on loan already

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27 Aug 2013 20:19:14
Gone to a club in Spain on loan

Eric D

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He's out on loan at Sevilla mate

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27 Aug 2013 18:42:49
Posting from over in Barcelona. Her wanted to post a couple of points.

They talk about no English players coming through and how Spain have loads. Well over here there is a basket ball court and footy pitch literally ever 100 yards and full of kids. They can build centres all they want in England but the reason Spain do so well is all to do with these pitches.

You just walk on any if them off the street, no charge or cost.

The other is everyone stops you and talks about barkley when you have your Everton shirt on. He's famous even over here!

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I know, my dad is the same, he goes over for work sometimes and his boss said : oh, you have good kid, barkley!, abit like the kid from inbetweeners who says MANCHESTER

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Got a feeling the transfer window will kick in tm

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Great post about pitches and all though that helps bottom line is the coaching of our kids I remember when I played and now my son plays for kids teams is that the coaches/managers and dads who are watching stand on touch line shouting things like hoof it and get rid of it we need to work on when we got the ball and how to keep it even when nothing on the more time you give yourself on the ball the more confident you are we have had and have got very few of natural talented footballers Wiltshire and new boy Barkley are the two at the moment that give us hope over next 5-10 years they will be the ones to build round

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The french did that 1st spain followed suit we won't because it takes brains and forsight the f.a. have neither. tom efc

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27 Aug 2013 18:01:08
must be worth a cheeky loan bid for Juan Mata, Top quality player, somehow not getting much action at Chelsea, and He will want games to ensure his place in the Spanish World Cup Squad & can't understand why everyone bangs on about Defoe, he's crap. Evertonpaul

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I'd love him but we'd never get him in a million years

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27 Aug 2013 17:59:51
Good luck for the season, I believe you'll do better under Martinez than moyes. Anyways ways see Everton as an alliance, always good banter when we play each other. And this might be the last season for a while that we play each other, we are fuc*ed this season with the cockney mafia.
Geordie fan in peace

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Good luck in anycase. the thing is you simply don't know - got to give it til xmas at leats.jcl

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27 Aug 2013 17:39:17
Bottom line; unless we get in at least 3 players with the money, we should keep Fellaini; 2 of the 3 would have to be centre mids too, because Osman is weakening and Gibson will always be injured for periods.

My choices would be Marrone, Moses, McCarthy/Holtby. If enough is left I would also go for Defoe. If Heitinga goes I would also like Alderweireld.

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Holtby never looked like the hype that he came with when he arrived at spurs. he mnight be a good player but he does nt look like he warrants his 67K a week. would not be a risk I would take. unless a substantial paycut was involved, i.e. at least 50%.jcl

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27 Aug 2013 17:18:47
To all the posters suggesting Mata.get real.
1. Chelsea won't want to sell.
2. If they did there would be 50 Champions League clubs who would break the bank to get him.
3. Where would we get that kind of dosh from?
Degsypulford

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27 Aug 2013 16:12:54
I have been very quiet on this subject, and manliy because I just don't know what's going on. I feel there is enough coverage and discussion among those who want to look at the worst aspects of it and I feel that while they may be right, I don't have enough data either way to discuss this subject intelligently.This certainly is a serious issue, but until we hear from the official sources, I don't want to further agitate an already charged up community.

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Tonight I am having Chicken fried rice.just thought i'd post something random also.jcl {Ed025's Note - go easy on the soya sauce mate.. :)

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27 Aug 2013 16:07:32
well done ross barkley on full england call up first of many we hope

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27 Aug 2013 15:28:35
Ross Barkley named in the England Squad, well done lad.

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27 Aug 2013 14:22:42
anyone else agree with me on this but think we should go for either Ba or Lukaku on loan. Mourinho played Schurrle up top last night which makes you wonder, one of them will be 4th choice (behind Schurrle and Torres and whoever the 3rd choice is. We've been struggling for the strikers to score so I reckon we bring one in? Ba seems more likely, maybe with a loan to buy option.

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Ba is magician he score many amazing goal. But his goal stat seem no good after moved to Chelski. Lukaku is quite good but are you sure he is available for loan?

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Would take Lukaku but doubt if you would get him.not too sure on Ba mate.i would go for Defoe. I know we wouldn't get any sell on but he would get us goals and for 5 mill I would go for it.he needs to playin this season with world cup and I think he would be a hit with the fans.

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Ba's one of these players that looks awesome on match of the day but if you watch him in full games, he's very lazy

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Defoe IMO is a very greedy player, doesn't suit Martinez play. and for a loan I would take Ba!

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27 Aug 2013 14:21:46
Watched that locally made film the ballad of Dixie and Kenny last night, I know it's a few years old now but how funny is it. Great to see people from both clubs sending themselves up.

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27 Aug 2013 13:40:01
Would love us to try and get Lukaku on loan, doesn't look like he is going to get many games there so why not! Would easily bang 15-20 goals in! {Ed025's Note - he has stated that he will not go on loan this season, and will stay and fight for a place at chelsea..

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27 Aug 2013 13:18:34
Several posters are criticising the performances of Fellaini, Osman, and Pienaar. Each of these players was being praised - by and large by most supporters - not that long ago. Now they haven't become bad players, but perhaps it's just that they were comfortable and could perform under the DM tactics and team formation, but they just don't fit into the RM style.
We seem OK at the back (goalie and defence) although they are ageing.
Our forwards don't seem to have the clinical goal-scoring edge we need.
Our midfield (the 2 defensive/holding and the 3 fluid/attacking in the 4-2-3-1 formation we're using) is showing promise, but can the current ones eventually combine into a successful consistent unit?
IMHO we're going to have a transitional period while the RM era takes effect - I just hope the majority of supporters stay loyal during this time.

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If your not loyal them your not everton!

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I agree with you on this Sid it may take some time for the side to gel and RM to review his current crop under his new system. On the plus side we are still collecting points as we go, so the transition may not be as painful as some the posters think it will.

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Pienaar was Man of the Match on Saturday.

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27 Aug 2013 12:55:43
can I just ask why do people want moses. don't get me wrong pienaar is over rated and we need someone better but moses for me is the not the right person. thoughts ed {Ed025's Note - i would love him at the club mate, powerful and quick...works for me mate..

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Because, as a previous poster wrote, Moses led his people (in this case the people's club) to the promised land ;-)
BaronHardup

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Peanut still good mate. Ossie is very disappointed.

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27 Aug 2013 12:52:54
To all those posters criticising BK and the board: you're obviously entitled to express your views - who am I to say otherwise. I'm just a little surprised that you find the time to submit posts as you must all be so busy running your own highly successful multi-national businesses since you clearly feel qualified to offer such well thought-out financial and commercial advice. And for you to do that while also favouring us with your in-depth knowledge of all football matters - no doubt based on holding all of the coaching badges, and having played football at the highest level, and having run a football club yourselves. Hey - I'm just as much a Monday morning quarterback (as the Americans call it - can't think of the English version) as any of you, but, as Clint Eastwood' Dirty Harry put it, "a man's got to know his limitations", and I, for one, know that I couldn't run Everton Football Club. It's too easy to criticise and to destroy something - but who's genuinely prepared (and qualified) to work 24x7, risk their own money (oh yes our board has!) and reputation, suffer outrageous personal (and family) abuse, in order to run the club. I reckon most posters would crumble and run away in no time at all. It maybe Nil Satis Nisi Optimum, but for some "supporters" it's always going to be that nothing will ever satisfy them.
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We're fans who aren't happy with are chairman who happens to run of of big clubs of English football .u defend him like an old uncle with a drinking problem .hes got to move with the times or we will fall behind .hes not fit to be are chairman that's not his fault its been proven by our progress off the pitch .facts are facts .hed be a good ambassador {Ed025's Note - if you give me an alternative i will probably agree..

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Ed025: exactly! It's easy to criticise BK and the board - often with some justification I must concede - but no one has come up with a realistic attainable alternative that's actually on the table.
Treating the takeover of a real football club as though it was just part of some fantasy football game played on a computer is not how the cold hard world of modern football with its mega money and people's (not only the players, but all of the staff) livelihoods are concerned.
The Blue Union might have had something to work with, but IMHO their behaviour didn't help in the end - such a pity and such a waste of an opportunity.
Until someone with real money and real commitment and real understanding and the best interests of the club at heart openly announces their intentions, then it's all just hot air and yet more frustration for the rest of us.
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I am the ripe old age of 56 now and often talked to my son about players as he was growing up. He often said, "we should get rid of player A or player B".
I always reminded him that before you get rid of anyone, you should have a better replacement lined up. Over the years I have seen many examples whereby someone has been got rid of. That has also often been without a replacement in place. I guess the same can be said about loyal hard working chairmen.
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27 Aug 2013 12:50:28
I know it's not a rumour but what about holtby, don't think he will be playing at spurs much.
Stevie88 {Ed025's Note - there is a reason for that mate...he has hardly pulled up any trees since he signed has he?..

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To be fair ed he not been given much of a chance at spurs, from what I've seen of him I think he would fit in well with martinez's style, he could be just what we need a creative attacking midfielder who won't cost a fortune (loan) helps that he's a blue too I'd be made up if we could get him in. Craigefc

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27 Aug 2013 12:43:39
Haven't everton thought if Manchester United bid 20 million why don't everton go in for mata?

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27 Aug 2013 10:56:42
I can't believe arsenal r going back with a bid of just 13.5 million for cabaye . If everton r going to sell Fellini I'd sell him for 25 and bid 18 mill for cabaye and get him twice the player that mcarthy is what u think ed? {Ed025's Note - sounds good to me sinnott mate..

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Have we forgiven Cabaye for the ballboy and Tim Cahill incident?
Unhappy-Camper {Ed025's Note - it depends whether or not he signs for us or not UC.. :)

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Ed025: ah yes - just like one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist, it was ever so with football players. Pretty sure there are some players (not that we could afford them or that they'd join us!) who are beyond the pale, e.g. a certain fanged forward from the darkside to name but one ;-)
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27 Aug 2013 22:26:15
jesus christ yohan cabaye? its pronounced yoan kebab! he is another average player scores a penalty and is a world beater average range of passing and does the odd slide tackle here and there doesn't cut the melon for me very overrated plus mccarthy is quick works harder and is only going to get better

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27 Aug 2013 10:22:38
Not sure on his wages but I would love to see mata in our famous blue shirt.
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Sparky

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As the man in the cowboy film said: no chance and slim chance - and Slim just rode out of town.
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27 Aug 2013 09:44:10
I wouldn't be to bothered if felli went. As long as baines stays. Midfielders can be replaced. It would be hard to replace baines.

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We'll have to replace Baines one day - just as with every one player. Hopefully, he'll see out the remaining (best) years of his career with us and then we'll have a ready replacement to take over at left back.
BaronHardup

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No one to replace because no one go.Focus to striker good possession but no score sure cannot win.

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27 Aug 2013 08:29:04
if kenwright don't sell the club soon, then i'm sorry to say, I think we have had our best days and will only be an middle table club at best.all the premier league clubs seem to spend money but same old story with us sell then buy.i haven't seen any other premier clubs signing wigan players(need I say more)(mccarthy).moyes has been a bit of a dick, but would he have signed these type of players(NO).my prediction for this season is 10th place.

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How would you feel if BK sold to new owners who did a Cardiff City to us - deciding that red is a lucky colour and changing our shirts from the Royal Blue? Or perhaps trying a Hull City and rebranding us as the "Merseyside Mandarins"? Sheer fantasy of course - it'd never happen - surely not?
BaronHardup

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27 Aug 2013 07:51:35
Oh be patient fellow Blues. This happens every transfer window. Look at Man Utd. So much money to spend, yet can't seem to finalise a signing.
We usually sign someone no-one has heard of and yet turns out to be a real gem. There is a week to go and to quote an over used phrase:
"Keep calm and carry on".
Degsypulford

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RM and DM are clearly different in the type of players they want(ed) to recruit for Everton. Can anyone recall a player being realistically targeted by DM at Everton and also by RM at Wigan? I'm not talking about players moving between Everton and Wigan - I mean any player from a third club being pursued at the same time by both Everton and Wigan.
BaronHardup

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That was under Gollum and his staff what makes you think Martinez will be able to unearth the same quality on the cheap. Another Arteta/ Cahill/ Coleman these are rare and becoming increasingly difficult to get at those kind of prices in today's transfer market.

Not saying we won't just seems silly to expect things to happen the way they did under DM. I'm sure we will sign a player maybe 2 before the window closes but will they be for the future or first team anyones guess

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Yes John Stones, Victor Moses.

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Sorry the above were for BaronHardup, Stones and Moses were targeted by moyes and Martinez, Stones very nearly signed for Wigan until we came in last minute.

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Good call re Stones and Moses. I just couldn't think of any - wasn't claiming there were none ;-)
BaronHardup

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27 Aug 2013 18:26:13
RM signed Michu at a snip did he not? He's turned out to be quite a gem at Swansea. Don't need the same players to be targeted by the clubs respectively while at their previous clubs, just the requirement that they find hidden gems! CraigHuytonBlue

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Laudrup signed Michu Craig not Martinez.

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28 Aug 2013 11:06:11
hmmm. my bad. had a bit of a blonde moment. CraigHuytonBlue

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27 Aug 2013 03:27:56
I wish every1 would get off BKs back.he is a fan like the rest of us.not a billionaire but tries his hardest for us.any1 slagging him off its simple.invest your iwn money and stop whinging bout the man.we not going to be able to afford 30 to 40 million pound signings and we complainn when we in for some1 who is valued at less.get over it and support thr boss and chairman to do the right thing

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I tend to find the pro Kenwrighters are not in possession of the facts about the way he is running the club. They don't know he has sold all the assets off and mortgaged the ground to the prudential and wasted millions on Kirkby. I also hear he had to pay off the builders for the new superstore at the park end when the Prudential stopped him. Can't have been cheap. {Ed025's Note - i tend to find anti kenwrighters talk through their arses, they are not in possession of any facts, and look for a scapegoat who they can blame for us not winning the league every year, these people need to grow up, and get a life...just my opinion..

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Because I know the truth and he's killing our club, I should get a life? Hehe
When he has us in administration you're all going to have to 'get a life'.

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Accepting BK and even supporting him? I'm sure that's the case with a very small number of fans. Better the devil you know and all that. However it's pretty tiresome to see the more informed fans treat these people as persons and clapping seals. These people need educating, not mocking.

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If those fans are clapping seals then they'd better hope that any new owners for Everton are not Canadian because it's a different type of "club" they'd know more about - if you get my drift ;-)
BaronHardup

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Im sorry dentielad and ed25 your the ones's who talk through your backside if you think kenwright has done a good job, moyes got him out of jail bigtime and he wil be praying martinez does the same.The mans reign is full of bad mistakes, cover ups, lies and failures.If he wasnt the best everton fan in the world he wouldn't be supported by the kenwright lovers PADDOCKBLUE {Ed025's Note - its all about perspective and loyalty mate, at the moment he,s all we have got, so instead of slagging the guy off, show him some respect and support i say..

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Ed we are not in the know about the running of are club .but bill kenwrightlets us down time and again, I'm sick of people going on about he's a fan, .we need a forward and dynamic board, he's failed on every avenue of progress .hes got a mindset of mediocrity .hes gone on record as moyes is one of the best managers we've ever had .he never won a tap, left everton shown bill no respect at all .fans give kenwright stick because of cold hard facts of progress and lack of commercial and stadium issues, .again we're in the last week of a transfer window sweating on losing major players, this is not fans talking out of there arses .he makes statements about backing Martinez with the hope of C league .7 million what a embarrassment .he, l do what he does in every window sell to buy .this policy will fail eventually .everton have always been run well accept for are last two chairmans, at least Johnson got out .bill kenwright bought everton out of vanity not to rescue us, there was plenty of buyers then .fans act is if he was a saviour, the facts are are debt is higher now then when he took over .look at the facts not nostalgia or his passion 4 everton that is not the point .hes the head of a totally inept board .earl joke woods joke elstone deputy CEO behind Wyness joke, .bill kenwright great fan but never a chairman of everton {Ed025's Note - if you can give me a viable alternative, or a realistic option or buyer, then please let us know, im not saying he is perfect..far from it!...but hes what we have at the moment, so all i will say is support what we have, instead of continually bitching like a 10yr old spoilt brat who,s mum cant afford new nike trainers!!..

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He doesn't deserve respect and support.
It should be earned not given by default simply because he's the current custodian and because he's an Everton fan.
It's been lie after lie, blunder after blunder, snakery and chicanery.
He won't be happy until we've gone under, but he's a blue so that will be forgiven too, presumably.
If he truly loved the club he'd give up the train set now. {Ed025's Note - and who takes the reins?...you?..

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It's called discussion, to come back with a remark that fans are bein childish is stupid .i understand that billionaires aren't on every street corner .but are board is like a gentlemans club .these people treat everton as a weekend hobby, bill brings these people on board .we look totally hamstrung and out of date, .we will all continue to support everton, .this board is continually under achieving on every point of progress .that is a fact {Ed025's Note - all i ask is for a viable alternative, i wait with baited breath for your response..

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Not saying I would take the reigns and do a better job Ed, but if I were in charge I'd certainly explore the right advisors, people who know a thing or two about marketing, not some amateurs who take the first deal possible. We're the only team to not make a single penny from the biggest sports manufacturer in the world.
Teams like WBA, Swansea get more on their kit deals than us. Are they bigger clubs? Villa get 5 times what we do from our kitbag deal, are they bigger?
Before this season you couldn't buy a replica in JL airport, never mind anywhere else, is that good business?
We get £3m no matter what. In theory we could sell 50m shirts and get £3m, not good.
But he's an Evertonian, so great. He must be the best man for the job. {Ed025's Note - no one is saying we dont need improvements, because we do, and i agree that the kitbag deal was shoddy, but not everything is down to BK mate, the other freeloaders on the board have input, but them, like many others, look for a scapegoat..

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Ed. all due respect. you're response is a bit of a politicians response. (I agree to a certain degree with the BK bashers. not on everything) but the interview he did with the blue union guys was indicative of someone that wasn't in control, and it created more questions than answers. Of course no-one on this forum is likely to provide an alternative. however what they want to know is what is BK doing to find an alternative. remember he mixes with the rich and famous and has contact most of us could not dream of. how is he marketing the club, how much does he want for the club, what steps is he taking to make deals happen, what's his business model for improving th eclub. Now i'm not niaeve enough to think that BK would release all of these facts to joe public. but if he is seeking investment or wants to sell then he should let some details be better understood. All that aside Rangers, Coventry and Blackburn spring to mind (I am well aware of selling to a pure business man) so there is an element of better the devil you know. but BK just does n't do himself any favours some times. making claims about CL spots and then spending 7million. that's why the big BK bashers grind their teeth.jcl {Ed025's Note - im with you on some points jcl, we do need more transparency, but the BU done us no favours by their underhanded tactics, which for me contributed to the veil of secrecy with which matters are handled mate..

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He's not fit to lead everton, and your answer of who will take over then, is a sorry answer everton are a great club with a great fan base .his mindset creates this envirement of who and acceptance that we should count ourselves lucky .everton as a club should be competing with the arsenals and spurs of this world and aiming for more .an for 100 years we always have .under bill kenwright are standards and aspirations have slipped, .the suggestion that no one is interested in everton I will never accept .listened to big nev last week made me believe again how great everton could be .

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You're right. BU did make things worse. and to be fair to BK he/they have re-instated the AGM (not that I attend) and things are moving in the right direction. but due to us Blue boys being sensitive souls I just wish that the top brass within the club would just re-consider their thoughts privately (within their own heads) before engaging their mouths & making statements which fans will always note down for future amunition. My take on Bill is that he definitely needs to be more transparent (He won't tell everything - what business man would).

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He's are chairman ed .hes accountable for the lack of progress .

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27 Aug 2013 19:32:48
on a marketing basis. how do you proactively market a football club for sale. 2nd to that a club that is apparently hilted to the max (sold assets) by our existing chairman? That combined with the debt the new owner would have to take on, the old ground, the investment into the squad to make us a champions league club, even a multi billionaire would have to look at the price of the club and quiery. can I get a cheaper option elsewhere and make more of an investment? This could possibly be the reason why bill struggles to sell the club. Look at Man City. why did the investors choose city over us. debt and cost simple. City costs less than us to purchase in the initial stage, and they had very little if any debt, so the profit the new owners are to make would be attainable much quicker. I hear people calling why not buy our club we have history, history has nothing to do with the game now as a business sense, so irrespective of history, location is a prime factor into the sale of a club for prospective buyers as a london weighted club would be sought after more than the likes of ourselves. we may be in for quite a wait before our beloved club finds new investors or owners. CraigHuytonBlue

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I've learned to just fast forward to the next post when anything BK related pops up. Means you don't have to put up with the negative 'persons' on here who don't know what they are on about.

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CraigHuytonBlue-

City is an awful example, had nothing to do with debt or price and everything to do with free new stadium.
West Ham will be next, they got an incredible deal on the Olympic stadium expect next Russian or Arab billionaire to be buying west ham in the next 2 years.
Everton won't be sold for 2-3 reasons.
1) we need a new stadium, us as fans don't want it anywhere easy eg empty sites a little outside of Liverpool so cost to build around 150 million
2) the chairman does not want to sell
3) Liverpool need a new stadium and will get 1st dibs so they are essentially a more interesting option
So accept BK is in for at least another 5 years, stop crying about it everyone and just deal with it. Support it's what we are supposed to do, the clue is in our names, supporters. I'm I a big bk fan. No. Can me or u doing anything about it. No. Unless we walk and abandon.

Svenny

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28 Aug 2013 11:37:15
svenny, The cost highlighted in my statement "Look at Man City. why did the investors choose city over us. debt and cost simple" would have included the investors looking at city and suggesting a new stadium was needed and a free one was included in the price (cost). I agree with your points that efc will not be sold in the next 5 years or so, but I wonder to myself, are we likely to ever see light at the end of the tunnel. 3 things holding us back to sell at the moment are debt, ground and price, and I can not see any forward movement in the near future to resolve these issues.
1) the debt has never seems to reduce, despite us selling players for quite some large sums of money and those sales just seem to cover interest payments on loans - this may change when we see the books for the coming season end with the influx of sky money to the club.
2) GROUND - plain and simple, unless we get someone like tesco offering a deal to literally build the ground for us, we are staying at goodison for quite some time as we simply can not afford to mortgage and pay for a brand spanking new stadium that would make us a more marketable club for purchase/ sale. Albeit it may not be the best ground, but its a home to me and I love the atmosphere. Would love to see the option of the bullens road school closed down and amalgamated with another school in the local area, freeing up the option of us purchasing the remaining houses and land behind bullens road to extend the width of the stadium (gwladys and park end stands) to become the touchlines and build a new bullens road stand (commonly thought of as the stand that needs most attention to anyway) increases revenue and potentially the new bullens road stand could have additional boxes to fulfil what a new stadium could generate in income away from match days. The option of extending this way I see the only way for us to improve the ground within a budget.
3) PRICE = the amount kenwright bought the club for was pretty good, but for all the "investment" we seem to have very little assets for what a prospective buyer would pay for. Eg. Apparently (read on this site) Goodison and Finch farm are not owned by efc. Goodison is mortgaged and finch farm owned by council and we rent it back off them. If you were the potential purchaser of another business for example and find that the assets you own when purchasing the business are not actually your own, you would be pee'd off right? Add to this that although the team on the field is better than it was back when kenwright bought the club, has it really improved so much as to warrant the price kenwright now asks for the club? Thoughts and options? CraigHuytonBlue

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26 Aug 2013 23:38:49
I believe that will get Moses and McCarthy. Marrone if fellaini is off aswell.

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Apparently marine wants to stay and Italy. Calgary preferred destination. jcl

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Felli replacement and promising striker.I believe McCarthy is the one.The promising is who?

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I said in an earlier post - I think shane long could become a very good striker. young, quick and an eye for goal.jcl

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Do you really mean Shane Long?
He's WBA's Irish international and is 26.
Or do you mean our own forward, Chris Long, who is 18?
BaronHardup

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I actually meant shane long sid. I know he plays for WBA but we are a far better side and I reckon he would be a good cheap option for us. no doubt I'll have my knockers but beats the usual suspect of bent and defoe.jcl

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We're a far better side that just drew 0-0 at home to them!

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Yeah we drew but we do have more talent at our club than WBA. remember last year they beat us and the others at the beginning of the season. think long scored in both games. we'll come good but I think long would be an improvement up front in our side. Jcl

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26 Aug 2013 23:22:32
Anyone care to suggest a team line-up for the League Cup tie against Stevenage? Players carrying knocks will surely be rested; players coming back from injury will probably be given some game time; players who haven't featured so far must be given a start. But who knows how RM will play it and, unlike DM, I'm sure he'll quite like to do well in this competition and not bottle it and go out to lower-league opposition.
Happy-Camper

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I can see Vellios, Grant, Duffy, Deulofeu and Oviedo getting some game time.

Murf

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