Everton Banter Archive October 26 2014

26 Oct 2014 21:38:08
Anyone else want a new goalkeeper in january? Howard costs points big time, he messed up against man u an palace, he doesn't command his area, doesn't come for crosses and is easy to score past from distance, good shot stopper, nothing more

{Ed025's Note - i dont agree mate, tim is a very good keeper imo, star man of the world cup and all that...it could be a lot worse swan...we could have mignolet.. :)

You on drugs swan? Behind Man U and Chelsea we have the best keeper in the league

26 Oct 2014 23:29:07
And behind sunderland and qpr we have the worst defensive record in the league, cech, courtois, de gea, hart, lloris and forster are all better, he doesn't do the basics, may aswell have an actual statue in goal, he will cost us so many points throughout the season through poor mistakes alone, i'm not suprised set pieces are deadly against us because he doesn't come for them, if our defenders can't reach it then its a guaranteed goal, he makes everything so complicated, like today rushing out, he had no reason to do it, one world cup and the odd wonder save don't make up for the amount of mistakes he makes, everytime a cross comes in our defenders are scared, not because they are bad, because they know if they don't win the header that he will not leave his line and will concede, little scrambles in the box always lead to a goal because he cannot take control of a situation, his positioning is beyond awful too, that's one thing I haven't touched upon, gerrard at anfield, di maria at old trafford and nearly hutton against villa

Last week it was Macarthey this week Howard .

27 Oct 2014 07:39:43
Should be looking for a new keeper and CD regardless how he playing. No strength in depth there. Do agree though think Howard has had a bit of a head wobble since the World Cup. Always looks like he's having an argument with himself.

27 Oct 2014 08:00:18
Swan I'm beginning to think that you just like seeing the reactions you get from other readers with some of your posts. So negative it is laughable at times. Each week you post about how bad a certain player is and how they are not good enough for our club. I'm glad you aren't manager! Go through every goal we have conceded so far this season and I bet you he wasn't at fault for them all. Even when we win you want to moan and rip our players. Last week it was relegation if we got beat by villa, are the majority of posts fuelled by ale? Forster really better than him? Behave lad

Our defensive record is not down to him. He isn't playing any better or worse now and he's only conceded 1 in our last 3 games swan iv got to say some of your moanings and slating of players reminds me of kopite behaviour glad I don't have to sit by u at the match

27 Oct 2014 11:20:37
I love the way it always comes down to kopite behaviour, don't like every everton player and think they are the best at everything that ever existed? KOPITE!, I slated mccarthy and came back on what I said, martinez himself has said howard has had a world cup hangover, but he's just a closet kopite isn't he?, let's see, hazard near post against chelsea, matic rolls one past him as does costa, that's 3, girouds header, he should of came and collected it like a normal keeper, but no he stood there and we conceded, palace at home, why did he run out and give away a penalty, distin and jags had it covered but he thought he was superman and rugby tackled someone, bolasies goal, wow, what is he doing getting beat at that angle, burnleys goal yesterday, he didn't need to run out, gerrards free kick is another, di marias goal, he's standing on the penalty spot, why is he doing that, no need, falcaos goal, why didn't he just hit it out? 10 goals due to him doing stupid things, well done tim mate, as long as you do a save and start screaming like youve just saved the world we will love you, let's just put it like this, if you offered me a swap for any of those keepers, i'd take it

Don't get eggy now swany just saying it how I see it. For me he hasn't had the best start to the season but does that make him a bad keeper no it doesn't. What about last season and other seasons when his record and stats were incredible! Sorry mate but any 1 who can jump on a player so easily like this or McCarthy last week is acting like a kopite in my eyes. Just sayin

Swan I'm only going to deal with one of those games as your post is quite simply ridiculous! So Crystal Palace. Howard was at fault for one of those goals but neither of the ones you mentioned. The penalty was 100% Stones fault. You said Distin and Jags had it covered but it was Stones not Jags! If in doubt put it out Stones was and he didn't go back and take a look!! Then Bolasie's goal what are you on about we lost the ball he was put through and finished well. What angle you talking about exactly? Did you even watch the game? The only goal he was at fault for was the 2nd one when he came for a cross and was beaten to it by Frazier!! And yesterday yes he SHOULD have come out mate. And in any case it was Lukaku's fault for misplacing his pass. Wake up if you don't like Howard fair enough but if you're going to criticise at least know what you're saying!!

27 Oct 2014 19:31:13
Yes lukaku lost it but howard had 4 men covering ings, all ings could do was get dragged out wide but as soon as howard came he had a chance to score, I dot remember campbells header, care to explain the other goals I mentioned? Or was he not at fault for any were they all world class finishes?

27 Oct 2014 19:51:33
agree with Swan to a certain extent re Howard. not commanding of his area at all. the back four must crap themselves when a high ball is lumped into our area. as for the palace goal in question, I was in line with it and it was his fault not stones. howard should have been screaming" keepers ball" but he never.

I honestly think that's to do with us not having a commanding cb. Don't get me wrong there all good players but we haven't got the john terry or kompany type have we. I think it swings both ways maybe howard looks a little suspect sometimes because of that

{Ed025's Note - i think jags is very commanding kingy, its just his distribution that lets him down at times..

Dragged out wide? He had been played in right through the middle of the defence and was ahead of all of them. How exactly could they have dragged him out wide? Go back and watch it again. I'm not going to argue with you about this. But blaming Howard for all of those goals is just wrong. We have been poor defensively and made mistakes all over the pitch. It's too easy to blame Howard for all of them! And wilfy I disagree Stones should never have tried to shepherd the ball back to Howard, he should have hooked it clear for a corner.

Sorry eds I didn't quite explain I meant commanding at set pieces. when u see a set piece against Chelsea or Man City u see the likes of terry commanding the whole situation military style if we had that it would make Howard's job a whole lot easier

{Ed025's Note - to be fair to jags kingy he is as good as terry at doing that for me, thats why he has replaced terry in the england team, i think he had a bit of a world cup hangover at the start, but i believe he is getting back to his best for me mate..

28 Oct 2014 01:36:56
I disagree ed, jags is very quiet and doesn't organise the back line properly, terry is willing to shout and will have a go at a teammate if he isn't doing his job properly, jags just gives a thumbs up and isn't bothered, which is when mistakes happen, for me a captain has to be a good leader, vocal or if not then one hell of a player, jags is none, I think barry, mccarthy or even baines would be best off as captain, think gibbo has it in him if he can stay fit too

28 Oct 2014 07:33:09
Swan you're being very economical with the truth to suit your argument, yet again. As others have said, the entire team has been poor defensively, especially in comparison to last season. To blame TH entirely is very narrow minded. He has been one of the better keepers in the league for a few seasons, definitely not as bad as you want us to believe. We attack as a team and we defend as a team, each player in a blue shirt has to take collective responsibility. Get behind them instead of picking a new target at random each week to rip apart, it is getting tedious.

He might talk nonsense but youv got to give it to swan he started a good debate off here haha

28 Oct 2014 21:37:10
Cheers kingy

26 Oct 2014 16:15:14
Where's all the eto slaters now ey? Hate to so I told yas so infact no I don't! Told yas so! Haha boom boom boom let me here ya say etoooooooooooooo

{Ed025's Note - etoooooo....he was quality today kingy..

Class is perminant eds were lucky to have him mate

{Ed025's Note - i must admit i was very sceptical about his signing kingy, but to be fair to the guy he has been excellent on and off the pitch mate..respect..

26 Oct 2014 18:13:29
Got to agree with you Kingy.
30 years ago we signed a 'burnt out striker with dodgy knees' which was seen as a last throw of the dice for Howard Kendal; his name was Andy Gray.
9 months later the ECWC was in the bag and we were league champions.
As you say, class is permanent.

Good point that 1 azul hopefully a good omen for the Europa this year then. Up the toffees!

26 Oct 2014 16:04:07
Match Awards from New Blue

1. Best textbook goal for Everton in the last 3 years: Eto'o's 1st goal. Perfection

2. Best individual goal in some time:
Eto'o's 2nd goal. By his body language, he knew his shot when he got the ball. He put on a clinic (mostly) today.

3. Hardest Working Man in Show Business Award: the James Brown Award goes to Naismith. The kid must cover 10 miles a game. If he were only a few inches taller to reach the high balls.

4. Halloween Horror Award: Central Defensive shambles. Lucky just one goal today, but Jags held it together.

5. Lead Foot Award: Lukaku. He redeemed himself.

In any case, solid game, climbing the Table. Barks is back, Kev by the end of the year, and hopefully Stones at New Years. Start Eto'o every league game.

With injuries though, no great wide midfield speed. When is Oveido back?

And if anyone knows, can Delo be bought in January while on loan at Sevilla?

26 Oct 2014 18:09:25
If there was a recall clause in the loan then we could pay that off and then pay the fee to Barca for his signing. That'd how it would work theoretically but doubt it will happen as Deulofeu has said publicly he doesn't like life in England and loves living in spain.

I believe Atsu, given an extended run, would prove to be the answer to the wide wing roll, certainly in Kev's absence.
Christian possesses the skill and pace and will only gain confidence with game time, he has the ability to be a game changer.
He would be in my team ahead of McGeady and Osman.

{Ed025's Note - he would be in there for me as well fancy, as much as i respect and appreciate ozzies contribution over the years i only see him as a bit part player now myself mate, and dont get me started on aiden.. :)

26 Oct 2014 21:35:32
Atsu looks so poor, I don't get why he gets played on the right, he doesn't cut in and shoot, he has no right foot and doesn't cut in and cross, he would surely be better on the left, if I could have anyone, it would be doofy loofy back, mcgeady is p*ss poor, osman is osman and pienaar is done, can't wait to have bryan and kev back, but back to atsu, I really do not get what he offers on the right, he would surely be better running up the wing and crossing or going in and out into the box

26 Oct 2014 15:55:50
Tongue in cheek:
That's two games in a row we have won. Coincidently, Leon Osman played in both. I think he is to blame. Far too old, lost his touch and should not be in the team. I would rather play with 10 men and see if we can lose a few more. Surely he is so bad that playing with 10 would be better?

26 Oct 2014 18:17:24
Well done, he was poor in both, but let's start him every game on the wing with his blistering pace and silky skills, ross barkley? Nah, osman is much more important

26 Oct 2014 18:19:28
Alcaraz started both games too, shame he's not the perfect god leon osman is

A great servant as he has been to the club over the years degsey, imo he shouldn't be starting games for us now.The days of the quick feet and a quick pass have long gone.The games just to quick for him now he gets caught out in posession everytime he gives the ball away and is so weak in the tackle. Most of our play is broken down through him causing us to be caught on the counter.

Tongue in cheek again: Glad to see you come out with the sarcasm again Swan. Missed it I have! Fact is, 3 weeks ago you were popping the mogadons like nobodies business. Depressed and and sounding like we were bottom of the league (oh we nearly were) . Like I said, I knew we would pull through. Our pre season was amateur and we paid the price with the toughest of fixture lists and travel any team has had. Regarding Ossie, everyone can see he is slowing up and is getting easier to knock off the ball. My gripe as always is that the guy has been totally loyal and a good servant. McGeady was brought in as a wide midfielder but has been poor. Until the last few games everyone was raving about McGeady and slagging off Ossie. But what I witnessed was a great servant coming to the end and a new signing not living up to expectations. Then some of the fans getting behind one and on top of the other. My loyalty says that that is wrong. Quite a few also said Eto'o was a stupid signing. If you remember, I suggested he could do a job and was obviously class. I admit he was absolutely way above my expectations today. Just out of interest, would you play Barkley every game for 90 mins, or would you use Ossie as he is being used? ie as a squad player until we make better signings? I guess Pienaar is also coming to the end, so while super Kevin is injured, I see a role for all 3. Especially with the Europa League games having to be squeezed in. All the best mate. Chin up and all that.

Osman is a bloke I appreciate what he has done but too lightweight,slow and misplaces simple passes.any chance of henen being brought through soon? Raw talent and great pace.let's mix things up abit.

26 Oct 2014 23:21:26
Mcgeady and osman get equal stick, as does distin, i'd rather use naismith, barkley, pienaar and atsu behind the striker before osman, i'd honestly rather put any of our midfielders before him, eto'o too, or even just play with 10 men, he went from useless with the odd decent moment to useless full stop, i'd say in january either sell him, let his contract expire or just let him help the kitman, if he can lift up the kits without falling over

26 Oct 2014 15:26:31
Feel really sorry for Ossie now just hasn't got the legs anymore. Not a great game but got the points. Plus Spuds lost, just need the Mancs to blow it then into top eight.
COYB

26 Oct 2014 08:08:28
I know the Star is one step up from Viz, but it seems the touting of Ross Barkley has begun already. Are we in a position to turn down bids? He seems more than happy at the moment. Also thought Kjaer looked useful the other night - would be a great addition at CB

He did look good and he is pivotal to a very strong Lille defence set-up. I think we need another CB and also aRB in January. Although it doesn't have to be on permanent basis', a quick fix would do and then we could think long term in the summer.

I think we need to start looking for a new keeper as well blue tit.