Everton Banter Archive May 26 2013

 

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26 May 2013 22:22:42
Everton, the 4th most successful domestic club in the history of the English game, currently playing in the richest league in the world, respected worldwide, and thought highly of, generally, for its tremendous support. And its come to this, managerless, and the main candidates being a Spanish bloke who recently got his team relegated, a Portugese fella that, if we're all honest, none of us had heard of til a couple of months ago, an Irishman who has won the title in a one team league in Scotland, and Eddie Howe, manager of Bournemouth. something is seriously wrong here lads. And for all this, there's still supporters out there who back BK and his merry men. I don't doubt for a minute that Kenwright is a massive Blue, and I really do wish he'd of made it work, but for God's sake, show your anger at him and his board in future and FORCE him to sell, because whoever we get, it can't get much worse than this, I mean, Eddie Howe? Unbelievable

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Sorry mate but I can't shout my anger at Bill yes he frustrates me sometimes but the man is broke in terms of owning a premier league club anyway. But 1 thing is for sure he loves the club and would never deliberately do anything to hurt it and after all he did give us Moyes who in fairness has us where we are now and without spending a fortune. All I can say we are due to go through a transtion and it will start with a new manager. Bill has one of his biggest decisions to make in a long time but I trust he will make the right 1. And just to clear things up a little there are more than just Bill that run our club some very wealthy men sit on our board and my anger vents more towards them. Stef the blue

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Sorry mate but I can't shout my anger at Bill yes he frustrates me sometimes but the man is broke in terms of owning a premier league club anyway. But 1 thing is for sure he loves the club and would never deliberately do anything to hurt it and after all he did give us Moyes who in fairness has us where we are now and without spending a fortune. All I can say we are due to go through a transtion and it will start with a new manager. Bill has one of his biggest decisions to make in a long time but I trust he will make the right 1. And just to clear things up a little there are more than just Bill that run our club some very wealthy men sit on our board and my anger vents more towards them. Stef the blue

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So what if Billy Liar is a true blue, that doesn't mean anything.
If you caught someone robbing your house wearing an Everton shirt, would you just ruffle their hair and let the cheeky scamp off, discussing the seasons events with him while making a brew?

Kenwright is the chairman of our club. He has told umpteen lies since he has held that position, Moyes shielded him and saved him from the fan revolt that is long overdue.

He has let this club down too many times, and now with the new badge disaster and imminent appointment of a bargain basement manager, he will be shown for the complete incompetent he has always been.

He is a joke figurehead for our club and he's just hanging round for a big fat pay out when he's brought nothing to the club.

But he's a blue, and he appointed Moyes. what else has this clown done apart from lie to the fans and wait for his big payday?

Answers on a postcard.

WHATS OUR NAME!

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I agree with aspects of your comment, and bk does nt endear himself to all fans by. in most instances now. by staying mute. But do you remember how bad it was when Johnson reigned? The players we bought, attests, pie near, fellainis, Cahill and so on. bk undoubtedly did all he could to support the football side. even if the commercial/business side may not ave been managed perfectly. under Johnson we had neither. I could write on this for hrs. but that's the jist of my opinion. jlaff

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Jlaff, predictive text? :0)

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Apologies. too hasty in my writing. but I think the message is attainable. jlaff

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26 May 2013 22:18:51
Ed do you think the agree and disagree buttons will be put back on the banter page mate. I noticed they were removed after some gobs****s hit the disagree agree buttons on sensitive posts I know it is very imature of people to do that but why should they be removed over a clowns do you not reckon they are winning by taken them away just wondering. Stef the blue {Ed025's Note - they were not a true reflection of peoples views stef...keyboard warriors were trolling sites and pressing the buttons to cause trouble between supporters, which caused problems for us mate..

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I understand cheers ed Stef the blue

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26 May 2013 21:34:52
EFC: We consulted the fans about the new badge.
BK: I'll consult the fans about the new manager.
Anybody see a pattern, David Weir new manager, crap new badge and then we get hammered in the Champions Cup before getting relegated meanwhile Vitor Pereira wins another league title with Porto, exciting people with his attacking football and tactics and eventually becomes the new manager of Barcelona. Now wouldn't that be typical. {Ed025's Note - joe...you are becoming the next mike mate!..take a chill pill, and lets see how things pan out fella..

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I agree with both you and Ed, Joe.

There's no need to get paranoid as there's plenty that would need to happen for what you're saying to come true, however I really wouldn't be too surprised if Weir is appointed.

Plus, as fans, we have a right to worry. Especially under this board.

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Is it paranoid to distrust the word of a man who has lied, lied, and lied, again on every topic for 10 years. players, managers, budgets, new investors, new owners, new stadiums. If bill kenwright told me it was cold at the north pole, I would book a sun shine holiday and take my factor 30. {Ed007's Note - I think you are being a bit unfair on Kenwright. He never said he was a billionaire sugar-daddy. Think where your club could have ended up without him? I don't see a line of Ogilarches trying to buy the club, at least Kenwright is a true supporter and is looking after the club the best way he can, he seems to be exceeding what your expectation level should be all things considered. If YOU could do any better then get your money out or get your investors together, I'm sure he would be willing to listen to you if you actually done something instead of sitting bitching about how bad a job he is doing. If he is doing such a bad job, how bad a job are you doing as a fan?
Would you rather have Mike Ashley, some Sheikh that is going to change your strip and heritage or what about QPR's owners, Portsmouths from a while back. There's a long line of shitty club owners for one reason or another, Kenwright is just unlucky that he can't match the fans, or probably his own, ambitions for the club. No wonder you didn't leave a name to your post, I'd be embarrassed to be you if you are a true fan.}

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Ed007 the problem we have is that our expectations as fans have risen and so it's easy for some of us to get carried away. I think I've said before I am happy that we have a chairman that rescued the club from agent Johnson and who genuinely is a fan. however on the flip side I think that BK doesn't help relieve tensions by not being more forthcoming with info although I think as Ed 25 pointed out a few days ago to me, this has a lot to do with the blue union interview leak which has caused him to go under ground. which has made tensions worse in some quarters. bills heart is certainly in the right place and I reckon him and dm (IMO) have been a formidable force for the club. albeit some bad decision IMO. but who gets it right all the time. definitely rather bill than a mike Ashley or the Portsmouth bloke. or indeed some other rich outsider. ideally I would have my cake and eat it and have a billionaire born and bred efc fan. but I am guessing not many about. The best I can hope for is that the board (as a team) pool resources and "take a gamble" on the new guy to at best push for top 4 or minimum maintain the status quo. One things for certain ill support the blues no matter what but it'd be nice to not feel like the poor relation for a change. jlaff

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ED OO7, RE Your opinion of my post (name now included) I STAND BY EVERY WORD. Real fan since 1963, and speak on the part of 1000 's who share my view on kenwright. Yes, granted he has very little real money, but the truth costs nothing. {Ed007's Note - Granted I know that what but would you rather have an owner like Cardif City, who will rip the heart out club or tear the heart of the team? Kenwright doesn't have money the bankroll the club, but there are other on the board that can, or or the waiting to make money from a land sale. Kenwright is seem to be just the whipping boy to outsiders

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26 May 2013 21:06:30
Hi Ed, what do you and the others think of the new badge? {Ed025's Note - use the search function mate..

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26 May 2013 20:56:59
Big Nev (Southall) has tweeted that the new badge is crap. "We consulted the fans" - a rough translation from the club - well obviously not. Or if they did they must have consulted the Everton fans who work for Nike or Kitbag.

Everton have big problems. A board who has less brain cells than a football player who likes to chew people, a board that listens to 0. 0000000000000000000000000001% of its fans and a Kpoite in charge of making us 'bigger' in global reach terms.

NSNO. Don't mess with what you don't have.

One final thing. Ed do you think the club have also made themselves look like complete twonks by saying they consulted the fans when it's all over the media of fan 'backlashes'? {Ed025's Note - i do keith, for me they should have put up maybe 4 designs a month ago, then had online voting for the design supporters wanted, with the winner being the most voted for...now to me thats consulting the fans mate!!

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Bit too much common sense there ed. You do know this is Everton don't you? (Even though I happen to quite like the badge)

Mike {Ed025's Note - if you think the idea was good mike...i feel i may have made a mistake mate.. :)

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Even more worrying is if this is the same fans he consulted about the new managers position!

King Chong {Ed025's Note - true mate..

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Oh yeah, sorry ed. Here you go:

What a stupid idea that is ed. Letting fans vote out of 4 designs, what a load of crap. The club know what they are doing, so you can just stop moaning, and so can everyone else.

Mike {Ed025's Note - thats better mike!..cheers..

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26 May 2013 20:34:49
Is anyone else annoyed by this badge situation because it seems the club are faffing around (wasting precious time and money) with something that almost certainly won't increase commercial income by significant amounts while they haven't sorted out the really important issues like the stadium and new investment (for both of which they've had years) and they also didn't seem prepared for the possibility that DM would leave? Talk about fiddling while Rome burns!

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26 May 2013 20:32:10
why couldn't the club have put up an image of the new proposed badge and asked fans to vote yes or no? sounds too simple doesn't it? worries me now about our new manager as clearly the club don't listen
1878Barlow

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To the OP: because that's too sensible for our club ;-)
Besides, we - the ordinary fans - are clearly not to be trusted. Why would the vested interests want their gravy train to stop because the fans were asked to make these decisions instead of them?
I can understand there being new shirt designs every few years - no replica shirt lasts forever so you'd occasionally want to buy a replacement anyway - but I cannot accept the club redesigning the badge this badly. Do the powers that be really believe that our "brand" will be enhanced worldwide and suddenly we'll be making huge commercial revenues because of the redesigned badge?

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27 May 2013 09:03:59
to all those concerned about the badge as much as I am, Surely we are all clever enough that the re branding of the badge was not to make money (i. e global advertising etc. but a cost saving exercise, as kit bag/ nike found it difficult to reproduce the badges for 2012-2013 kits with scrolls and nsno - with so many manufacturing errors). my take on it anyway. Surely the club would have told us the truth, rather than spouting lies about the reason it was changed, and to say they contacted the fans about it is the biggest load of tosh! how on earth do the club contact the fans, I have had no phone or email contact and i'm pretty sure 38000 goodison park regulars have not had any contact. it was not put on any website to vote, but that is controversial as eds would know via the like/ dislike buttons can be tampered and results would not be a true reflection of fans opinions. So in conclusion kenwright was asked by Kitbag if they could change the badge to save money and kenwright (the fan asked in debate if fans like it) agreed if he could save money also. wonder how many fans like myself have the "old crest" with scrolls and nsno tattooed somewhere on their body. feel like we are losing our identity!

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26 May 2013 20:32:05
If Pereira decides to leave Porto tomorrow then surely he's getting the EFC job? Fingers crossed!

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26 May 2013 20:20:41
I wish the club would come out and give us a slight indication on when we will be making a decision on a manager. I spend most of the day refreshing tv and this site on my phone hoping for news! My money is on Martinez as I don't feel Bill and his board have the balls to pull off a deal for Periera. Wigan have a slightly similar budget to Everton and looking at the some of the players Martinez has brought in I don't feel he will match the Everton standards. Fair enough Kone was a good buy however players such as Alcaraz and Boselli tell me he hasn't got much of a clue. Any targets which Periera has in mind are likely to be high caliber and if he does sign for Everton we must have some kind of budget. Time will tell.

MikeBlue

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26 May 2013 15:42:20
I'm starting to believe that maybe we won't get Pereira after all its all gone very quiet what do you reckon Ed? And Svenny do you reckon its still on? {Ed025's Note - not a scooby mate...wait and see is my advice..

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Yes I do believe it is still on from our end. I think its a case of him having two offers on the table now, one from us and one from Porto. He is deciding if he wants a new challenge I guess but that is speculating on a mans thoughts which is impossible.
Porto had not offered him a contract until last week. If you look at the hard facts from an unbiased perspective the only positive for Everton is we are in the Premier League and does he want to try his hand in England. Otherwise when you look at Porto, they are league champions, in the champions league, have just as big attendances if not bigger than us, more money in the transfer kitty after getting 70 mill for two players so. let's hope he wants to manage in England.
All I know is that he has met with Everton, he was offered a deal and it was supposedly accepted, Porto have now it seems counter offered our deal and he is deciding what direction he wants to go in.

Svenny

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26 May 2013 17:33:56
Don't be surprised if we wait until Roberto Martinez has decided that he's staying at Wigan to announce Vitor Pereira as manager, just so Kenwright can come out and say Pereira was the man we wanted from day one! Think it will be sooner rather than later now as well. {Ed007's Note - I think Martinez should stay at Wigan, after all he did take them down and I feel he should stay another year to try and take them back up.}

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26 May 2013 17:21:44
Its a testing time to be an Evertonian, the horrific new badge will have no place in this piece because we all know how disgraceful it is.

Its the managers situation is the thing that's getting to me. there's been rumours of a done deal with Pereira but they seem to be a bit wide of the mark, as it appears now anyway. The bookies are changing their bets every single day and there hasn't been a sniff of any sort of knowledge from within the club, just complete speculation.

Unfortunately Moyes has lost a load of respect in my book, he's basically managing United whilst being paid by Everton, poor finish to his regime and I for one hope we stuff them at Goodison, lack of respect from a great manager.

The quicker out situation gets sorted the better, fed of manager speculation, even worse than player speculation.

Alex

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26 May 2013 15:43:35
If Big Dunc got a tattoo of the new badge, would that change the views of this forum's posters about it?

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26 May 2013 18:32:27
No i'm an Evertonian, nil satis nisi optimum.

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26 May 2013 14:16:37
I, m really annoyed with the new emblem, a lot of people have shown dismay at the fact that the motto has been removed and rightly so!. but what has annoyed me more than anything is the laurels,
either side of the tower, they represent winning wreaths, and without them the badge just looks so bare, the interlects that are running our beloved club
are not tune with the ordinary supporters on the streets, and don, t understand what we hold dear.
Change it NOW!. john mac

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Hear-Hear!

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The much awaited new Everton strips, should be out soon! Who's is going to buy it with that pooe excuse for a badge on the chest!
Another marketing disaster buy us, once again we never learn!

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I imagine the people in charge think the badge will sell more shirts oversea's and are not particularliy woried about the fans at home. I personaly prefer the bagde we had in the late 70's early 80's. I imagine everyone has their favourite design so you are not going to please everyone anyway. At the end of the day they know the majority of the fans will by a new shirt regardless of the change in badge. By reducing the complexity within the badge it makes it both easier and cheaper to reproduce. It could be worse they could chnage the kit to red.

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26 May 2013 13:43:00
Who in your opinion are the best 5 talents in the premier league? (19 and under) mine is:
Luke shaw
Oxlade chamberlain
Tom carroll
Marcos lopes
Will keane

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Ox
Sterling
Shaw
Piazon
Chalolabah

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But what chance of our young talent getting a go in the first team?

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What about Phil Jones at Man U? Future England captain. And also Jack Wlishire at Arsenal. Future England Centre midfield!
Degsypulford

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26 May 2013 17:36:43
Jack wilshere and phil jones are 20 or over and besides my everton biased sterling is not that talented had a good first 5 games then went crap

Jack grealish
Gary burke
Lukaku
Ox
Cabellos (spurs striker bad spelling)

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26 May 2013 13:13:31
Taken with a pinch of salt seeing as we don't have a manager, a sunday paper reporting lukakau would be open to a move to everton. I've sang his praises a few times, and I for one would love to see him playing for us, at 19 years of age he has all the attributes of anichebe, but he's 100 times better. what do fellow blues think if a deal was to come off {Ed007's Note - He has just turned 20 Jimmy but I know what you mean, Lukaku is a fantastic young player already, and is only going to get better. I think Chelsea would be making a major blunder if they sold him but the team that signed him would be getting one of the best young players in the world IMO.}

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26 May 2013 14:00:07
Only 100 times better than Vic

I think Chelski have big plans for him, he is a superstar in the making mate, we have no chance but would straight swap for Felliani in a second, oh and throw Vic in as a consolation prize too

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Appoint Steve Clarke as our manager - hardly likely - or any other ex-Chelsea player/coach/etc. , and we might have a small chance of getting Lukaku on loan.

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Not quite sure what Chelsea payed for him I think it was 15 million, but yes if they wanted felli, and seeing he's got a near 25 million activation/sell on clause in his contract I would say give us 10 mill plus lakakau. I agree ed07 he is one of the best young players in world football and will only get better.

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Chelsea paid £18m for Lukaku. He been quoted as saying he wants a year long loan with either Everton or Fulham. He does not want to go back to WBA. We would have a great chance of getting him if Chelsea splash big cash on a striker ie Falcao or someone of that ilk. But we need to get the manager in place or Fulham with get the jump on us. If he becomes available again on loan Everton must do all they can to get this guy. This guy has the potential to become one of Europes top strikers, but to us could be the difference to make top 4. I think Matinez will become our new manager on Thursday after the internationals, would not have been my first choice, for me Laudrup would have been my 1st choice and Pereira my second choice and Matinez third.

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26 May 2013 12:58:16
The club won't go with that badge too many complaints they will try something different I just hope they put the nil satis nisi optimun back on it. Stef the blue

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I'd hope so, but they've gone too far down the road with it and will now just try to "tough out" the situation.

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26 May 2013 12:42:58
I'm not too upset over the new badge. It's modern and retro. For me it would be complete if it had nsno on it. As for the old badge I agree with brighton toffee it had too much going on and looked tacky.
Remember a new dawn with a new manager. And yes I agree it probably has something to do with Nike,

The blue don

Ps is marcelo lippi still working? {Ed007's Note - Modern AND retro? Isn't the point of retro to be outdated and old-fashioned?}

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26 May 2013 18:35:29
I am an Evertonian mediocrity will not suffice!

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26 May 2013 12:31:57
I have it on good authority from a reliable source that Harry Redknapp will be the next Everton manager, and that it has been a done deal for months. I know this because Doris, the cleaning lady at Goodison Park who has worked there for about a week, told me that in preparation for Harry's arrival Rosie the dog designed the new club crest and filled out Bill's tax return form. Harry's first signing will be Juan Roman Riquelme

Brett Angel

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26 May 2013 12:30:19
Wat's happened to the periera rumours thought this was a goer? Now I keep readin martinez again. Not to sure about his strength for our job.

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26 May 2013 12:17:50
Why do much anger people. I don't think the badge is great but if it says Everton on it, I will wear it with pride. All these people claiming to be in the know and nothing has happened re a new manager. By the sound of most of you, you have run a football club before? That I doubt. We can't help the fact that there is no manager yet, and getting on bk back isn't the answer. Can't we just all get behind the club and show that as long as we're called Everton and play in blue and white we will be behind the club through thick and thin. Nathan

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OMG why all the fuss its like only a badge and tbh I think its cute I mean its more up to date than the old one and is prettier and more ditsy as well I mean I may even get it as my new vagazzle its so cute and would look really nice done in diamonte I just love it. Sally Cinnamon

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Great idea, Sally. I'm sure that Ed025 would let you post a photo when you've had it done. We've always been a bit short of flash t**ts at Everton!

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I can't believe we have a full page of posts on here about a bloody badge. As you know I hate most things about this club, from incompetent board members, to trophyless ex-managers to useless players. But I actually like the new badge and can't see what the problem is.

Mike {Ed025's Note - now why doesn,t that surprise me?..

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OMG Tezza are you like flirting with me or something x
Sally Cinnamon

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I'm actually being serious for once ed. I think it is quite good. Cleaned up a bit and doesn't look as cluttered.

Mike

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Well, my little spice girl, I like to think of it as flirting, but my ex would probably say it's "something", (or probably nothing!)

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Sometimes I think Mike speaks like Grumpy in Walt Disney's Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, who, when asked anything, always replied "I don't know what it is, but I'm agin it!"
Look up the words "cantankerous" and "contrary" in any online dictionary and the definitions have links to
Mike's postings.
I hope he carries on posting his views, as variety is the spice of life and we need all opinions on this forum to maintain the lively debate.
RhinoSoreAss {Ed025's Note - he is the the town nark rhino..

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26 May 2013 20:37:07
Quite good is not good enough. Be true to our motto.

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26 May 2013 11:33:38
I wonder is it NIKE who have told EFC that the badge is out of date, and them who have forced us to change it. KK.

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26 May 2013 11:21:58
These are some players I think we should look at:
Emmanuel frimpong
Benik afobe
Obafemi martins
James mcCarthur
Gary caldwell
Steven davis
Jermaine pennant
Kevin prince boateng
Tom ince
Eric dier
Peter odemwingie
David stockdale
Ari
Aiden mcgeady
Stephen ireland
Shay given
Thorgan hazard
Shaun wright phillips

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Apart from Boateng and Ince I would not take any of them

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The decent ones from that list who would come
Mcgeady
McCarthy
Ince

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Here's those who are even remotely possible mccarthur, ince mcgeady

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Lol if we want to go down next season by buying the worst tranfer targets ever maybe take Ince and KPB at a push to warm the bench but that's it

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Ince and Boateng only players on that list.

TC

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I imagine you mean James McCarthy and not McArthur. McCarthy is a lot better than McAthur. If Matinez takes over I think he may go back to Wigan for a couple of players from between McCarthy, Maloney, Alcaraz, McManaman or Figerroua free agent (spelling).

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KPB would walk into our side any day, the guy is class but would also have a 20mil+ price tag.

only other ones i'd take are ince and dier, though i'm not sure either are immediate upgrades

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26 May 2013 11:07:15
Ed your spot on mate it was a joke I had 1 too many and just decided to go against the majority for a laugh but thanks for the nice comment mate I really appreciate it thanks aswell Joe jesus I played a dangerous game and nearly got banned lol. Stef the blue {Ed025's Note - not happening anytime soon stef..

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Bloody hell, if you would have got banned for that comment Stef, then I would never have made it past my 2nd ever post before I was banned.

Mike

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Haha Mike that is true mate lol Stef the blue

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26 May 2013 11:04:54
Ok. I have voiced my full thoughts on the the new 'evolution' of the badge, as have 99% of you. But how bad is our club. They got it wrong with Benfica in the ICC, it's Valencia instead. And looking at the ICC's website, Chelsea's badge is first with ours second (on the home page, participating teams' badges are in a row) and no word of a lie it actually looks like the Chelsea lion is looking back at our new 'evolution' badge and going 'What the f**k is that piece of s**t?'.

Ed do you think the club will do a u-turn? Because if we don't buy the merchandise the club, contrary to people saying we'll do a Pompey, will have to change their stance, surely? {Ed025's Note - i cant see them changing it keith, the shirts have been made now mate..

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26 May 2013 10:20:44
I have it on good authority that our new badge is a load of s****

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I do not like the new badge, why can't it stay the same, who's decision is it to change, quick off the mark doing this, but no manager in place, typical Kenwright and board.
Patsyblue

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26 May 2013 10:10:46
I understand why the club put Everton on the last badge, it was obviously a marketing gimmick for overseas fans. I didn't mind this too much and felt it was a reasonable thing to do however you CANNOT remove as much of the badge as they have without receiving the backlash currently being seen right across the world. I have read articles from media outlets in Australia, USA, New Zealand, Canada, India and they all say the same thing, how awful the new badge is and how could an organisation make this change while knowing that its fans were against it.

I first saw the badge a few months back on another fan site and I know for a fact that Paul Tyrell who is head of Communications was informed by that website that the new badge had not gone down well and had a 90 percent disapproval rating. I think this has more to do with the 'stakeholders' mentioned, as I'm sure it's probably quicker and cheaper to iron on a transfer.

It's interesting and heartening to see that we are receiving a lot of support from other clubs fans around the world. I've personally read dozens of messages from fans in Brazil, Mexico, USA etc who don't support Everton yet feel we are being let down by our own club.

One final thought, Paul Tyrell is the voice behind all this change, Head of Communications and responsible for improving our media image.

Has he done his job?

Does he care?

Guess who he supports.

Popeye

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Isn't Tyrell a kopite?

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IMHO the new badge is a great piece of pop art and nothing more. It'd look great on a t shirt or vest for the summer holidays but that's about as far as it goes.
To remove the NSNO completely is ludicrous, they haven't just tinkerd with the identity of the club they've murdered it.
Sadly I don't think any amount of protest is going to change the manufacturer's minds now as there will be thousands of the new shirts stockpiled in a warehouse in the far east ready for distribution. Hopefully the NSNO will be incorporated somewhere else like across the back of the neck or something similar.
Emma Royd {Ed025's Note - for me emma, it looks like something you pick up in a turkish market, and looks like a fake..

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What was the thinking behind it?

After missing out on the top 5 places and any euro comp, loosing our manager, someone at the club knows just what the fans want a new badge?

wtf! a complete lack and any PR skills and subtly

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26 May 2013 09:35:11
Clubs badges evolve over time - that's just the way things are. Personally, I didn't like our last badge - I don't see the need to actually have the word 'Everton' written on it - the whole thing was far to busy with too many elements making up an over-large cluttered design. My favourite was the EFC badge of the 80's.

I quite like the new badge (even though it still says Everton). OK so we've lost the wreaths and the motto. NSNO is still our club motto though - it hasn't been removed entirely - it will feature in some form on merchandise and possibly on the kit still (we haven't seen that yet).

All this negative opinion about the new club crest makes us look a laughing stock as a fan base. We claim to be the best supporters in the world and seriously, any excuse to moan about the running of our great club and everyone jumps on it.

The crest has changed - get over it. Get behind the club and support it.

BTW I'm a graphic designer with 16 years industry experience. Every new logo is going to mix opinion - people just don't like change.

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Unfortunately opinion isn't mixed its pretty unanimous that the new crest is utter tosh. On last look over 2000 negative comments on page, 300 + on the actual site and 8, 696 signatures on the petition. And it was only released yesterday!.

I'm not overly worried about the wreaths as yes crests evolve over time, I am however worried about the famous Everton beehive they've put on it. This will seriously affect finances as hardly any fan will buy merchandise with that monstrosity on it.

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I agree with Brighton toffee. I actually thoYes comin home now ught the old badge was quite tacky. The new one is better it would be great if the could put nsno into it.


The blue don

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It is not the design as such I have an issue with, it is the quality of the badge. It looks like a snide childrens product from Kirkby market. At least the tower is now the right shape, I could never understand why the fence went around the middle of the last one. If the new badge used high quality embroidery with strong colours, I could live with it.

Jon

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No offence to you Brighton Toffee, but perhaps the fact that we always do "get over it and support the club" Is the reason why the powers that be seem to walk all over us every time they have a whim.

Over the past few years we have had little investment in the squad, so we "get over it and support the team, " the manager leaves, whoever they bring in despite opinion we will no doubt "get over it and support the team" once again.

This is different, we the people who buy club merchandise are expected to "get over it, " and buy something the vast majority not only do not like but actually seem to detest, our thoughts, opinions and feelings on the matter seem not to matter one iota to those who made this decision. In any other walk of life this would be marketing suicide, however, they are playing on our loyalty to the club, they EXPECT US to "get over it and support the club!"

If the vast majority who do not like the new badge refuse to buy anything with it on, that will have more effect than any petition or complaints, obviously the only thing these people understand or care about is profit, so if we refuse to buy and affect that profit then just maybe the next time they have one of these "bright ideas" they will actually consult the fans, and see what we think, not decide what they can dictate and force on to us because we will "get over it and support the club" even if we hate it!

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26 May 2013 09:26:11
Martinez saying he needs time to think about his future, is he serious I know he has just won the FA Cup but he did also get relagated, if I was him i'd be begging BK for the Everton job, on the other hand Vitor Pereira fresh from a liga portuguesa title is open to the chance of managing us, make your own mind up! #InVitorWeTrust GarstonBlue {Ed025's Note - i think martinez is playing the waiting game garston..not wanting to put all his eggs in one basket mate, if he said he wanted to come to us, and BK rejected him, it would put him in a very awkward situation..

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26 May 2013 09:13:00
ed ban stef from posting he likes the badge {Ed025's Note - its stefs opinion, which we are all entitled to mate, plus he is one of our best posters

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What a joke of a post, Stef is posting his opinion which he is entitled to I disagree with it but its not offensive so why should he be banned? I hope this was a joke.
Joe EFC {Ed025's Note - i think it was mate..

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26 May 2013 09:12:17
Ed do you have any idea when there will be news regarding the new manager? {Ed025's Note - no mate..they are treating us like mushrooms.. feeding us s***, and keeping us in dark!..

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26 May 2013 09:11:02
We seem to have officially confirmed our new badge. I, for one, think it is disgraceful and cannot believe that the club would cheapen our image so much, dispite so many negative responses from the public. Not impressed.

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26 May 2013 09:10:14
if we don't buy the kit I can't see us developing with no income from the shop it could mean the new manager has no budget really there are 2 option

1 buy it

2 see our great club do a pompey ( addministration for 2 yrs)

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No mate. The club won't lose out. We are paid a fixed amount by kitbag, c. £3m a year. Kitbag and Nike would feel the pinch, not us. And if they were the instigators of this they'll soon change their tune.

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26 May 2013 09:07:14
if new manager comes and looks at the everton site, what will there face be like with the new badge

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Its a joke I wouldn't want to be the manager of a club with that badge believe me Real, Juve, Benfica et al will be laughing at us this summer

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26 May 2013 08:50:20
Gossip Collum saying we going for weir or solsjkear. Jesus Christ. thought bill would want someone with more experience. Getting pissed off by the day now

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I echo that. At this rate, we'll end up with Kendall again. BlueTone

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26 May 2013 08:28:21
Guys I agree and hate new badge but please we can fight that battle by not buying this - they will soon get the message. New manager must be top priority and it must be
VP
Mushy

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25 May 2013 22:52:55
There doesn't seem to be any option to make a comment on the new crest via the EFC website. Any thoughts Ed? Additionally, someone in the last couple of days urged us to phone the switchboard demanding to speak with Kenwright to demand the likes of Martinez is not considered for the job. I'd suggest while he has strong words with the design team of the 'evolved crest'. Someone's made big bucks out of that. I'm really really pi$$ed with this now. Any email addresses you have regarding contacts at the club who can listen to our grieveances would be appreciated. I won't be buying any merchandise while that kid's crap drawing is on it. Surely if fans refuse to buy any gear, those in power will need to sort something? BlueTone {Ed025's Note - for me tone, its part of our history mate, nothing but the best..or are they saying that does not apply now?..can you see the reds dropping YNWA?..well for me its the same..

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26 May 2013 06:19:42
I can't wait for the new manager to come in exciting times. let's show the next manager why Everton is like no other club some people will be happy others not so much but we will all back the next manager and that's what we are all about passion and pride for our great club :-)

COME ON YOU BLUE BOYS {Ed025's Note - i dont think thats in doubt dan mate..

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Guys the smell of the "rat" is stinking the whole situation. I have a feeling billy liar is going to have us over again. Everybody gets an interview and what do you know. our new manager was working at everton already and it won't cost me. erm us a cent. well done me. erm us.

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26 May 2013 05:56:17
As it stands today. David Weir has entered the frame (Mail On Sunday) as a fallback if Roberto Martinez declines. Phil Neville also mentioned in the same article.

Am hoping (praying, tbh) it's lazy journalism and that Vitor Pereira is top of Bill Kenwright's list (if, as he promised, he really is listening to the fans).

Pereira's brand of football would appeal to Evertonians, enable to hit the ground running and create a positive buzz around the club.

Weir was a fine player and may well be a good member of the club's coaching staff, but there's no evidence that he take Everton to the next level.

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26 May 2013 00:56:08
Hi guys I know I am likley to be shot down and abused here but I think were going a bit over the top on this badge business now while i'm not overly keen on the new badge it still says everton on it I know it does not carry nil satis nisi optimum but its not the first in our history to do that now I understand we do not like change I mean who liked the new shirts last year? Not many but we still got behind the lads wearing it and I think it grew on most over the season and I hope given time the new badge will do the same after all its not like they have done a cardiff on us is it? {Ed025's Note - for me grb, NSNO is paramount to this club, its like the reds dropping YNWA, its part of our history mate, for me it says everything..nothing but the best!, or are they trying to tell us something?..

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I'd sooner keep the motto on the crest. We don't need the name of the club emblazoned across it. Everybody knows we are Everton without having to state the obvious on the crest. BlueTone

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25 May 2013 23:09:12
Ed025, I consult with you pal because you're one of us. The script is mate that some fellas on here have fed us all some serious BS, there's also fellas on here who have given you, what they believe to be genuine insights as to who the new manager will be, whether its through wishful thinking or real bonafide contacts. Personally, I meet Everton players on a regular basis through my job, and Liverpool players too, but I don't know any of them enough for them to tell me what they know reference the new boss. Today for example, I heard its definitely Stubbs, and it'll be announced on Thursday, the bloke that told me is generally pretty sharp with rumours, but I'm taking it with a pinch of salt at the mo. but we'll see. The point i'm making Ed, is that none of us know and we can only speculate, but we're all Evertonians, and being Evertonians means that we'll all be there supporting them next season whoever's in charge, because that's what we do. So hopefully we get someone that we're all reasonably happy with and we all get behind him come the new season. Onwards and upwards! Ps. Gutted by the new badge {Ed025's Note - this will always happen PE..people add 2+2 and sometimes get 76, there will also always be mischevious imps from across the park who will poke their noses in..as you say no one really knows the truth except BK, but lets hope he makes a better job of it than he done with the sanctioning of that crap badge mate..

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At this rate, we'll end up like we did in 97. Nobody wanting the job, even Andy Gray (!) and Kendall coming back in! BlueTone

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25 May 2013 22:27:08
Horrible badge, go back to the old one!
What do u think of it ed? {Ed025's Note - awful mate..its taken away a part of our history..NSNO..

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26 May 2013 02:48:20
Id like to say well done to the everton board for oncce again bending over to the higher powers, the badge is awful and no doubt they couldntt be bothered to look at it because you will never see them in an everton top.

the timing by the way is great, like getting kicked when your down, il prob wake up and see baines and felliani arriving at old trafford.

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26 May 2013 01:38:43
I actually think the new badge is niice don't slate me its just my opinion but I like it. Stef the blue

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25 May 2013 23:09:48
Who was in charge of coming up with that design for the new badge?

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26 May 2013 00:22:16
please can all blues who oppose the awful new club crest sign this online petition, we already have over 7,000 signatures but need more
thank you

https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/everton-football-club-keep-the-wreaths-and-motto-of-everton-football-club-don-t-change-the-badge#

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Who ever designed it, is a joke, but whichever group, panel, person chose it needs to be sacked, I think this is a G. C. S. E art competition winner, then again I doubt they came first.

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26 May 2013 00:13:54
With apologies to Eric Clapton and Cream, here's my adaptation of their song "Badge". I hope it adds to your enjoyment of the furore surrounding the club's choice of a new design for the Everton badge.
"Thinkin' 'bout the times that I felt like a star.
Thinkin' we're the best, the best by far.
And I'm thinkin' 'bout the love I have for the blues.
Why d'they keep us in the dark?
Don't they trust the fans at Goodison Park?
Told them 'bout the badge we'll never choose.
Yes, I told them that our mood goes up and down.
But didn't they notice how the fans all frowned?
Not many new shirts at our ground.
Or worn by fans around the town
Who'd buy one - not me, I'm no clown.
Talkin' 'bout our motto that's oh so true.
Our shirt's now without it, so no need to queue,
'cause it just won't sell - at Everton One or Two. "

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