Everton Banter Archive August 26 2015

26 Aug 2015 23:10:52
That was emotional! I worried every time they came forward, our defence could do with a few tweaks here and there! Our attacking display in the second half was awesome 30 shot on goal!! Fantastic! That's what happens when you play with some width, hopefully the gaffer sees this and applies it on Sunday

Howard
Coleman stones jags Barry or browning
McCarthy Barkley
Mirallas Kone del
Lukaku

One holding midfielder is enough, Barkley was on fire when he came on he is more affective when running from deep, Mirallas and del will cause so many problems, if they keep whipping crosses in Kone and lukaku will have a field day!
im happy we are rejecting stones transfer request we can concentrate on adding to the team now :-)

26 Aug 2015 23:25:40
Great lineup. Place Barry at LB until help arrives, or Oveido. Can we recall Garbutt from loan when his ankle heals? Do we have a recall clause in the loan deal? Baines may be out the whole year to honest with you. Redo's of orthopedic surgeries do not have good track records.

26 Aug 2015 23:05:07
Right Martinez has said Stones is staying, fair enough, if he goes, we know who has sold him. Now, Everton, now that is sorted, we need to get some players in.

26 Aug 2015 22:50:13
RM will buy Josh Scowens because he's one for future!! ((( To sell in future ))) another hard worker but not a superstar - made 4 us ( unfortunately!! )
Our midfield is so mediocre - proved when we need McCarthy & Gareth Barry & Osman who r all mediocre!! We used to have a star buy even when we were just behind elite!!
We need a Beardsley, Kanchekskis a Barmby right now Roberto!! I fear u will give me a Jonny Evans rather than a Yarmolenko!!
Feel all us blues r to blame as much as board x we r accepting and cheering mediocrity!! R blue blood has bled out!!

26 Aug 2015 23:03:08
Barmby?!

26 Aug 2015 23:15:12
Beardsley what a player he was for me the most underrated player England have had he had so much ability and a football brain which seems to be lost with footballers today sometimes football brain makes up for talent

26 Aug 2015 22:37:46
Let's face it!! Joel, Oviedo, besic, Naismith, mcgeady, aren't good enough, championship players at best!! Embarrasing couldn't even put a pass together! I Know he's just come back from injury but if we're stuck with Oviedo at LB were in big trouble, rabbit in head lights come to mind,,,,

{Ed025's Note - im with you Mg..

26 Aug 2015 23:04:43
Agree apart from Besic. First game, a little tentative but made some excellent runs and passes. Problem is Booby (deliberate misspelling) tends to play the same players so when those that come don't look as sharp, it is because they lack game time. Besic and Deulofeu needed that game time and both will benefit from it.

2nd Half Mirallas and Deulofeu and Barkley showed how we should be playing. Just need to tighten up the defence and central MF and we'll be fine. You could see the Stones debacle affected some players, like Lukaku, but it looks like he is staying. Now for 3 GOOD signings

26 Aug 2015 23:30:11
I think that MG has been a bit harsh. McGeady is awful and will never be good enough. But as for the others, Naismith will never be quality but has a lot to offer. He grafts, will score goals and causes trouble for opposition. Besic has potential but needs more game time, Joel was good with an extended run in the team but looked awful tonight, maybe a run in the team would do him good or a loan out,we could bring in an experienced keeper for the season, and Oviedo was great before his injuries. Maybe he won't ever be the same again, but it could just be rust after the various injuries he has suffered. Either way, we still have a difficult few weeks ahead of us, if not only due to fixtures.

26 Aug 2015 23:33:00
Naisy was far better than Mirallas tonight. Take the blinkers off! Mirallas is still far too greedy at least Naisy plays for the team!

27 Aug 2015 01:07:12
Naismith is an honest player and gives his all, BUT, he cannot pass wind never mind a football. Gives it away far too often and stops good progressive play. A worthwhile bench warmer. We need players like Mirallas et al as they can do something spectacular from time to time. When given the chance that is

26 Aug 2015 22:34:25
Why-oh-why-oh-why do we have to do things the hard way?
Great game for the neutral, not so great if you're an Everton supporter.
Still, onwards and upwards, tottingham up next and hopefully 3 points on Saturday evening.

COYB - NSNO

26 Aug 2015 22:32:45
Martinez sometimes in life you have to realise that money can't buy you everything. So are you saying Stones is not for sale. Martinez of course he is a big part of our future. Well ed what you make of that mate think he will go or did Bobby send a clear message.

{Ed025's Note - he has since said his transfer request will be denied..well done everton...now get some bloody players!..

26 Aug 2015 22:28:50
A few observations from tonights game. The goalkeeping situation needed addressing asap this summer and tonight proves it. Deulofeleu is class. When he's fit he will be fantastic this season. Naismith is a squad player but always liable to score when on the field. For god sake play barkley in the centre he's so much more effective. Lukaku has got a touch like dumbo but he's a goalscorer. Lastly with or without stones our defense is not good enough but I doubt that's going to change anytime soon. On another subject all the attention about stones is deflecting away from we desperatley need new faces. Just what the board want. i'm begining to think lennon will turn up on deadline day and stones will go the other way end of.

26 Aug 2015 22:27:35
BIG Scare tonight for the Blues Ed! Proves Just how much we need some quality signings this week, because we had to virtually put out our best 11 in the second half to get past 1st division opposition!

{Ed025's Note - we have a decent first team i believe ITB, but the squad is paper thin, players like mcgeady and oviedo just cant cut it in the prem, even naisy who i like looks short of the required level..

26 Aug 2015 22:51:44
Think you are being very unfair on Bryan there ed mate. First game in months, he's shown time and time again he is good enough at this level. Just lacks sharpness at the moment. Agree on McGeady though, as I think most people do, not good enough for football full stop mever mind the Premier League.

{Ed025's Note - i like bryan swan, but im afraid it looks like all them injuries have taken their toll mate, pace and positioning were poor but just my take on it..

26 Aug 2015 23:07:02
If Oviedo stays fit u won't see him back to normal until around Christmas time at the earliest. That leg break was horrific! I

27 Aug 2015 00:10:17
Looked bad tonight but give him a chance first game in how long

26 Aug 2015 22:23:20
Thank god for that, I need another beer after watching that and time to put my reaction to that performance but thanks to Barkley and Del Boy the reason we're in 3rd round

{Ed025's Note - what a difference they made metz..

26 Aug 2015 22:13:19
The youngest team in the football league and they put three goals in against us and it's not finished yet what has happened to our club that I have followed for fifty years where is our leader on the pitch where is are leaders off the pitch what next for this club nothing would surprise me even though we will win the game it's still all a shambles

26 Aug 2015 21:46:46
listen ed
do we not need a top gk?
sum1 who'll win us 9-12pts not cost us.
tims time is up and please don't give robles anymore.
and I don't care if he ends up saving 4 penalties.
got to strengthen plllllleeeeeaaaaassseeee.

{Ed025's Note - we deffo need 1 codhead..

26 Aug 2015 22:58:43
I totally agree, we need a Keeper who actually commands his area! Do they purposely avoid coming out for crosses or are their boots nailed to the ground?

{Ed025's Note - both our keepers are vampires...they dont like crosses.. :)

26 Aug 2015 23:06:38
HaHa! Good one Ed!

26 Aug 2015 21:26:02
Is stones doing this on purpose

26 Aug 2015 21:59:50
Si Amigo!!

26 Aug 2015 22:30:38
doing what?

26 Aug 2015 21:19:10
Whether we win/loose/draw this game, what our great club has become is a Barnsley, atm this is our equal playing field - if that!
I can't say I blame Martinez it's the board ineptitude, they need to just hand in the clubs dusty cash card and F off

26 Aug 2015 21:08:44
Nevermind the board out how about martinez! Worst manager ever!

26 Aug 2015 21:16:01
Both please

26 Aug 2015 20:57:42
Mcgeady has got to go. sweetner for van dijk

26 Aug 2015 21:08:11
Stones is playing for a move!! Just let him go and develop others! More the issue is RM can't buy a player for toffee (pun intended)!!

26 Aug 2015 20:49:12
Can someone tell me who the knob on the right is? He said Baines was desperate to leave and we made him stay, yes, that's why he is still here, signed a new 5 year deal and never asked to leave.

26 Aug 2015 20:42:46
The good news is stones is playing, the bad news is that he is playing badly - mostly his fault for the second goal.
Rubbish goalkeeping from Robles yet again. Would imagine he will go three at the back in the second half and take off Oviedo and Mcgeedy putting on Kone and Delefeo.
What a shambles. Is Lukaku playing? No, he had a good game 2 weeks ago and is probably due one at Spurs

26 Aug 2015 20:38:27
Let's hope stones takes Joel and mcCGeady with him awful first half at the back I think we might have only a few weeks left of Bob.

{Ed025's Note - lets hope so..

26 Aug 2015 20:32:16
Barnsley 2 Everton 0. wow, this seasons getting off to a great start ain't it, out of the first competition at the first hurdle.I wonder what excuse the clueless 1 will come up with this time, last season it was the strains of Europa league.this season there is no Europa league so no excuses to be made other than our manager really is the clueless 1 & has to go!

{Ed025's Note - im getting to the point where im not arsed anymore zacki, they have sucked the lifeblood out of me..

26 Aug 2015 20:45:04
What is happening to our once great club? No leadership off the field - do we still have a Chief Executive, if so, where is he? A shanbles on the field and an irresponsible transfer policy. Irrespective of whether Stones goes or stays, we lost two experienced centre halfs at the end of last season and, three months later, we haven't replaced either of them. A complete shambles.

{Ed025's Note - your right pips..

26 Aug 2015 20:54:50
. and me Ed, time for complete change at the top, from the powers that be right down to the clueless 1!

26 Aug 2015 20:17:21
Stones to blame for both goals.

26 Aug 2015 20:27:58
robles for 2nd all day long what an absolute sack of crap
mcgeady wtf.

{Ed025's Note - take my shoelaces out..

26 Aug 2015 20:43:05
I'm on free transfer they might as well get me in

26 Aug 2015 19:39:42
At game tonight should I boo him or cheer him.

26 Aug 2015 19:37:07
Martinez saying b4 the game how vital the CB partnership is and how vital this cup is this season.

26 Aug 2015 19:28:10
I'm being optimistic and also cautious at the same time when I ask, is there any chance Stones is just looking for an improved contract from Everton. Funny that he made a written request. Doesn't that mean he looses out on some payments. Just looking at bigger picture because everyone is convinced he's going. Happened plenty of times before when transfer was requested and players signed improved contracts. I know Everton prob couldn't match Chelsea but I think Everton should offer him every penny we can.

26 Aug 2015 19:13:59
Some posters keep mentioning this 'futbol Ukraine' Twitter thing which seems to giving some hope in still signing Yarmolenko. On the other hand there is an equally unreliable Twitter geezer called 'barcastuff.' It says that we had a pre-deal of 15 mill, I think. Then Barca decided to come in as they were originally planning to take him in Jan. make of it what you like but I suggest they're both a pair of fools who like winding people up.

26 Aug 2015 19:40:31
Yarmolonko himself said there is no interest from Barca or Arsenal and the lad gets his info of a well know Ukrainian journo who has over 17.000 followers hardly a fake account he is only reporting what that journo is saying translating it for Everton fans and the journo himself tweeted today that Everton have a very very serious offer on the table and they are a great club and have a great tradition Yarmolonko won't comment on Everton but yet comments on other teams he is linked with no one said it was guaranteed just that the deal is not fully dead yet.

26 Aug 2015 20:45:11
The lad has vine aswell other day and reportes ask yarmo and he smiles and laughs then walks off I think this barca thing is because of bernard

26 Aug 2015 19:01:11
Lots of people questioning the club's silence. What do you want!? Confirmation, a denial? What difference does it make? Stones can ask to leave all he wants but until Chelsea or another club meet our evaluation of the player nothing has changed!! So what exactly should they say?

26 Aug 2015 19:15:41
Fair enough mate, the only ossue is some people don't see Sky as reliable sources and think they are making this up to add fuel to the fire. They've done it before, if it's true then confirm it and if they have made it up, deny it.

26 Aug 2015 19:22:29
I agree Swan, we just want to know what's going on. Confirm or Deny, the fans have a right to know!

26 Aug 2015 19:52:13
What difference would confirming it or denying it make!? Apart from satisfying your curiosity! Stop all this 'the fans have a right' nonsense because the simple fact is we don't have a right to know the ins and outs of what is essentially a business, anymore than I have a right to know your business! We are fans not shareholders. When there is something concrete to say we will hear about it!!

26 Aug 2015 20:03:35
And before you tell me 'we pay their wages'. Get real ticket sales and shirt sales wouldn't pay anyone's wages. TV money and sponsorship money pay player's wages. Not the fans!!

26 Aug 2015 20:51:17
Yeah your'e right it is a business, but the game is first and foremost a FAN Spectator sport, without us FANS watching the games Sky wouldn't bother to plough in so much money to show the games! Also I remember Martinez saying "if there's any transfer news, the fans would be the first to know"

26 Aug 2015 23:47:10
Yes but currently there is no transfer news. Hence the silence!

26 Aug 2015 18:54:54
So Stones is in the starting line up tonight, will be very interesting to see what sort of reception he gets. If anyone is going, would be good to hear from you.

26 Aug 2015 18:38:41
The team should be interesting. Now I have calmed down on the whole Stones thing I wanted to say a few things. Ed pointed out something yesterday which I now fully agree with 100%, if Chelsea offered him the sane money he is on here, would he go? No way. Always thought the lad was a professional. Trophies and learning from, let's face it, the second most overrated Centre Back of a generation in Terry and working under a manager who has no clue how to develop footballers. Someone pointed out below that Stones may struggle like Luiz and be sold due to playing the ball out the back. If not then he becomes a boring and old fashioned smash it up the putch Defender which is not his game. He is clearly only leaving for the money, what annoys me the most is the conspiracies. I really don't like Kenwright, Elstone and the others but to say this was part of the grand plan all along is silly. They forced him to hand it in? Rubbish, absolute rubbish. If he was that desperate to go then why wait all this time?. You can say Martinez knew all summer, well why did Stones come out saying he is dead happy here and wanted to captain us one day? Seems a bit strange. No doubt Cahill has been filling his head with rubbish while away with England. The whole thing is ridiculous and Stones has, for me, shown he is no different then Sterling and Delph. Where is the board conspiracies with those player?. Lukaku joined us because we can develop him and get him regular game time. Stones is leaving because Chelsea can put more numbers on his wage. And we think Roms attitude stinks? Haha. I expect Lukaku to leave in a year or 2 but at least he gave it a go with us, he has had offers of more money, he could of warmed Chelsea's bench for years. Which is what Stones will be doing. I never saw the point in booing Lescott or Fellaini. Lescott gave us all summer to sell him and replace him but Moyes kept playing him and we all remember the Arsenal game. Fellaini left because we wanted the money to bring in other players. Those 2 did nothing wrong. Arteta said he was staying with 8 hours left then changed his mind with 15 minutes left, he was cheered for years until the badge kissing thing. Stones deserves stick and lots of it, loyalty? What's that!. I'm not expecting him to stay his whole career. I'd expect him to be realistic and see what is best for his career. But nope, MONEY!!!. Trying to force a move with 6 days left, come on, John, have a bit of respect for the club and fans that pay your wages.

{Ed025's Note - hard to argue with any of that swan..good post mate..

26 Aug 2015 18:56:21
C'mon Swan it's not just money it is CL football, trophies, PL titles etc. It's sharing the same pitch as the world's best players, which sadly we can't afford. It's the difference between being a champion and an also ran. It's far too easy to say this is about money!

26 Aug 2015 19:20:03
But it is mate, he has all the time in the world to play with the best. It's a myth about Champions League football mate, players just want Champions League wages, if it was all about Champions League football then Jags and Baines would of left a long time ago, they haven't because they are not all about money and just love playing football. They are good enough for Champions League teams. Do you really think if they offered him 30k a week, the sane as here that he would be trying to force a move through right now? I don't think so. If it was all about Champions League football then why doesn't more players move to Celtic? Because they are not paying everyone 100 odd k per week to do it. It is about money mate, some footballers play for money and others because they love playing football. Stones falls in the former category with the way he has acted for me mate.

26 Aug 2015 18:17:18
People keep quoting this 'Futbol Ukraine' Twitter account? - it's not verified it could very well be someone taking us all for a ride, I'm not going to even entertain the prospect of signing him until he's at finch farm or watching corrie with Bill

26 Aug 2015 18:01:12
Rooney looks proper p****d off these days at Utd, not being played in his favoured position, his manager talks of bringing in new forwards, he needs a fresh start imo! Bring him home blues!

26 Aug 2015 18:30:47
Wuddent play for us and can't afford him anyway, tbf is even that good anymore

26 Aug 2015 19:04:01
I was waiting to see who would give the Rooney shout. Yeah that's a good idea let's sell stones and waste all our money on a fat useless back stabbing little turd

{Ed025's Note - not a big fan then kingy.. :)

26 Aug 2015 16:45:10
Right, two reasons I would take Jones from utd as part of a deal for Stones.
firstly: it would really piss that arrogant little turd of a manager right off, and shut those transient supporters up.
Secondly: he is actually not a bad player, and gives everything for the cause. Not the greatest passer from defence I know, but hey at least Lukaku would get the ball a bit quicker.

{Ed025's Note - im not a fan woburn..

26 Aug 2015 18:02:14
Understand that Ed but it's got to be better than letting that rat have him.

26 Aug 2015 18:24:53
Is there any chance that we could decide who plays for us and not the other team. I mean why should we have what they deem inferior to our players.

CASH ONLY AND LOTS OF IT. OR DO ONE

26 Aug 2015 19:05:08
I'm not a fan of jones but to piss that arrogant sod off I'd take him

26 Aug 2015 16:01:27
It will be interesting if stones was missing tonight that would confirm deal is done what you think Ed

{Ed025's Note - it would metz mate..

26 Aug 2015 18:24:16
If he does play do you think he will get booed by the Evertonians ed? Similar to when Sterling wante to leave Liverpool?.

{Ed025's Note - tough call that swan...nah...boo him.. :)

26 Aug 2015 15:11:20
Less than a week left in transfer window and still no sign of the three "major" signings, heard anything ed? Wouldn't class mori or Rodriguez as "major " signings myself.

{Ed025's Note - on the face of it i agree Bman, there is no news of any big stars coming at the moment mate but we live in hope..

26 Aug 2015 14:24:53
Hi there Ed, been a fan of Everton Rumours for a long time, so I decided to join today because the current issues surrounding the Blues is doing my head in! Rather than sit here angry and frustrated with my beloved boys in blue, I have to start getting it all off my chest. What's going on Ed? Stones puts in a transfer request yesterday and here we are today, still waiting for a response from the club! The silence is deafening!

{Ed025's Note - i have an issue with that as well ITB, they treat the supporters with disdain at times and i think its terrible..welcome aboard mate..

26 Aug 2015 14:09:58
That new striker who is 22 will be to replace Chris Long who left i'm guessing, so hopefully more people coming in soon!

26 Aug 2015 13:45:30
So it looks like the stones saga is finally coming to a close. All of the he's not for sale and going knowhere in just another load of tosh. Let's just hope we get top dollar for him and invest whatever crumbs blue bill gives us on players.

26 Aug 2015 13:26:42
I don't want to see stone leave at all am an sick of seeing us lose are top players every yr, an not spending the money on top replacement, people want 40/50 mil for stone not happening we still o Chelsea 15 mil from the lukaku deal

26 Aug 2015 15:46:35
Ok, they give us 40m + they write off the balance on Lukaku, or at least that would be the deal, if the spur's chairman was doing the deal, instead of our bunch of muppets.

{Ed025's Note - if only carlsberg done transfers hey JCW.. :)

26 Aug 2015 15:49:43
Personally I think at the time 28m for lukaku was pretty steep so we should play hardball too if they do, not like he has 1 year left on his contract is it.

26 Aug 2015 13:09:40
Need to win tonight just to put a smile back on my ugly mug!

26 Aug 2015 12:51:02
Ed do we have any good news on the fronttransfer

{Ed025's Note - not yet kev..

26 Aug 2015 11:55:37
we should but a bid in for garay if stones goes

cb we should go for

dragovic

matip

wish we kept hold of mustafi now

26 Aug 2015 12:35:06
Virgil

26 Aug 2015 13:32:39
not sure about virgil as people pointed out he is in poor leauge and lot Celtic fans said they don't think he good enough for prem

26 Aug 2015 11:41:47
6 days to go why are we looking at players that will be development players, I'm all for youth but correct me if I'm wrong Martinez said when he was appointed he would get us champions league well he was given a 4 year contract into his 3rd year off the back of a poor season and about to loose our best defender and looking at players that won't make us any better.
Roberto as a man I like you, you try to do things in the right manner on and off the field. But at this moment in time we look like we will end this window looking weaker unless you sort it out, or this could be your last window, your just about to learn how our board work now 35m we will get for stones will be gone you won't see any it will pay off debts, you will need to bring Galloway or browning through to cover stones, and then we can concentrate on more important things like making sure our u21 can be as strong as it can be

26 Aug 2015 11:25:40
I would prefer Stones to stay but let's be fair to the lad and honest with ourselves. I've changed employers in the past because I got offered a better deal elsewhere. Football is his job and he has the right to better his wages. He'll be finished in 12-15 yrs.Earn the money while you can.

26 Aug 2015 10:47:24
Harry Kane saying he wants to stay at spurs and become a legend there is an exception to the rule, if he keeps to his word.

The money around means that the club is no longer identified with its players and fans but mostly with the supporter.
The fans are the club with a revolving door of players in and out. Loyalty is to cups and money for nearly all players.
Stones said once his ambition was to be club captain at
Everton. and how he loved it here.
It is a shame we can't build slowly without the
Burglars arriving, but shows the importance of wise planning taking into account all eventualities.the next few days will reveal whether the board has done that.

Keeping hold of an unhappy Stones is a risk.selling him is more risky.

26 Aug 2015 11:26:01
If Man City offered 50 million and gave him 150k a week he would be gone, its money mate, that's all

26 Aug 2015 11:53:46
Stones is not an evertonian first and foremost, loyalty has gone from football but was it there in the first place, he is 21 and still learning yes he can go on to be world class, but £35/40m is brilliant business and this is not a player that has been our main stay defender season after season he can be replaced easier than when we lost other players, loosing Fellini was more difficult because he effected our play and when McCarthy came in don't think we felt the loss of Fellini, stones will be the same, I would take Zouma off them, they have a real talent under there own noses and can't see it, they are media attention seekers let's give them stones we get zouma and £35m,bring in top drawer no 10 and striker and get on with it

26 Aug 2015 08:52:59
Personally I would tell John, sorry mate but you' ve left us with no time to get an adequate replacement in so you'll be staying at least another year. Maybe you should have handed it in last month.

26 Aug 2015 12:31:08
We all knew what was going on. Its our fault we never got a replacement. I still think Virgil is an option.

26 Aug 2015 08:17:08
Looks like he is going for sure now Blues, we need Chelsea to hurry with the 4th offer as getting late now, after tax/deductions to Barnsley etc we should be left with around 28 million, apparently we were going to spend 15 million on Yarmalingadingdong so that should give us 43 million kitty.

Get the Celtic CB now before Southampton do, no brainer for me 12 million bargain

Forget Charlie Austin, just seems strange why no top 10 clubs have been in for the lad even though he scores goals, must be a reason behind it, Ed 002 may know more on this.

Lad in work said we need Bernard, please no don't let this happen

I think Stonesy handing in the request has cost us a few bob too, if he didn't then Chelski may have come in with a impossible to ignore 40 million but now wouldn't be surprised if they came back with 32 million as he has to go now, you don't want to be here then off you go. Looked at the Utd pages and they all want him now too, they think 28 million and Evans will be good for us, seriously, I would only accept that if they took McGeady too

26 Aug 2015 11:55:17
Ref Austin I know he failed meds in the past because of a dodgy knee, I know some managers are daft but to pay let's say 13mill for him to get a knock and be out for the season is a big gamble. Think that's the reason Murf1000.

26 Aug 2015 07:26:33
Lets face it we are probably not all that surprised with the transfer request are we? My opinion is we should tell him transfer request denied and remind him he has 4 years left on his contract that he was happy to sign only 12 months ago. When Chelsea come calling with their 4th bid tell them no deal and keep hold for another season.

I think the only way he will be sold will be if the board sells him as I don't think Martinez will sanction the sale, and if he does go will Martinez stay on as manager if one of his top players is sold against his wishes.

Its always been said that one player is no bigger than the club which I agree with but if we are to replace him who is out there that is anywhere near as good? Oh and don't want Fazio, Evans, etc etc as his replacement either!!

Unfortunately this next week is going to be a very torrid one for us Blues but I fear it will be for the wrong reasons.

26 Aug 2015 06:15:42
Purchase price 3 mil.
Played 26 games.
Sale price 36 mil less 5%
Profit 30 mil (half the TV revenue)
John Stones good business.
Provided we can spend the dosh!!

{Ed002's Note - And 20% to Barnsley of course.}

26 Aug 2015 06:46:04
Said on Sky only 5% but I know they can be wrong. Does a tfr request result in more money foe Everton?
Anyway, it must be the greatest % profit ever for the period he was here.

{Ed002's Note - The 5% is the amount that goes to the player if he does not request a transfer. The 15% is the amount due to Barnsley in line with the contract between the clubs.

It might be an apt time to explain again about the cost of transfers (excluding wages). What is paid by the buying club would typically include:
(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents (as an example, Liverpool have spent £40M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years leading to this window).
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches (what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).

What is paid by the selling club would typically include:
(a) If the player is under 24 and moving between different football associations, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received (apportioned 5% of the contribution for each year from the season of his 12th birthday to the season of his 15th birthday and 10% of the contribution for each season from his 16th to 23rd birthdays).
(b) If the player moves to a higher category club (all clubs being categorised 1 to 4) then Training Compensation is due for the period of age 12 to 21. Compensation is due to all clubs when the player turns from amateur to professional and thereafter only when he moves from his final training club to another club. The initial training compensation is levied at the training costs associated with Category 4 clubs. The subsequent figure is agreed between the sides or tribuneral if necessary.
(c) Any monies owed to the player if he did not request a transfer – again this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(d) Any monies owed to the player in terms of his contract (typically outstanding owed wages (not future wages) and bonuses).
(e) Any money contractually due to a previous club as the result of a sell-on clause.}

26 Aug 2015 08:21:37
It actually works out better for the club if he has handed in a transfer request because it means js gets nothing except the move he wants he gets no image rights money he gets no bonus he gets no wages. If he moved on without a transfer request then he would of got loyalty bonus a percentage of his four year contracted wages. So the way he has to try and recoup some of this money he lost with us is to get Chelsea to pay him a massive signing on fee at least 4 mill

26 Aug 2015 12:34:01
Thanks for all that work. Well appreciated. The VAT is input and output so has no relation though.

26 Aug 2015 01:30:59
I'm not going to claim I'm Stones' mate or anything like that but does nobody think the kids being a bit naive handing in a transfer request?
Yes he will be on more money but playing 45 games is surely more beneficial to the young lad if he truly wants to become England captain. Former players such as Carra, Neville and Ferdinand have said so, current players such as Rom have too seems stupid imo. Look at Lukaku when he played there, yes he wasn't proven but was better than a ageing Drogba or Torres at the time. If he goes I wish the lad all the best but hope the money gets re invested in quality not Wigan spin offs

26 Aug 2015 00:14:13
While I was bored to death watching Arsenal try to pass the ball into L@$%^#$#@@$'s net the other night, I started thinking about the injury problems and if we were any worse off than any of the other teams in the division. At that moment there were 63 injured players throughout the league, 5 of those were from us so slightly above average there but by no means the worst. There were 6 other teams with 5 and 2 teams with 6 injuries. I also checked out the hamstring situation, there were 8 instances of this injury with one of them from EFC.
So I can't say that we have much more of an issue than anyone else and I question whether Pienaar, Gibson, Hibbert or Galloway would get into our first 11 anyway. But it does give us something else to moan about though.

26 Aug 2015 01:17:49
Okay, let's all take a deep breath. If Stones leaves so be it, no player is bigger than our club. Our blue boys that want to play for the shirt will be there every week giving their all, let's get behind them and show those who think the grass is greener elsewhere what its like yo really be an Evertonian. We all love this club so let's show our appreciation for those on the pitch. COYB NSNO

26 Aug 2015 00:11:02
Well I've been quite relaxed about the JS saga for the last few weeks. It was always going to be the next move, getting him to throw in a transfer request. As I said in a comment a few days back, the only way we would be prepared to let him go was if he asked to leave. By the looks of things, we reached that moment today.
But we still hold all the cards in this. He has signed a long term deal, we are looking to keep him and his worth, to us at least, is extremely high. The only question should be how much are Chelsea prepared to pay? Just because the lad has asked to move doesn't mean we have to compromise how much we feel he is worth to us. If they continue with their sly games we can still walk away from the table. They may have bullied us to get to this point but there is time to grow a set and put them in their place. Some of you will say that we shouldn't keep an unhappy player and, ordinarily, I would agree. But, a day or so before their first offer, the lad was interviewed saying how happy he was with us. He would get over having his request rejected and continue to play his football. It should be explained to him that, by the end of next summer, he could have his pick of some top teams. All of whom would offer CL. It makes sense to see out another season at Goodison.
There is little time to sort out a good enough replacement. How many decent enough CB's are available right now? We have not sufficiently replaced the two we lost this summer, I'm hearing the lad from Argentina has failed to get a permit (is that true ed?) and there are only six days left to do any business. If we sell JS and don't replace him adequately, then I really fear for the season. An injury to Seamus or Jags would leave us relying upon severely inexperienced kids. It's not a good scenario really.
Finally, I've seen a few posts on here blaming the board. Seriously lads? They have made it clear he is not for sale yet Chelsea have ignored this. We have knocked backed three bids to date but now the player himself has dealt them a blow. I think they are in an unenviable position with this, damned if they do and damned if they don't. Personally, I can't wait for this window to shut, providing we can get some players added to the squad. Roll on September

25 Aug 2015 23:50:55
The board need to remind stones that he is on a long term contract and handing in a request a few days before the window closes is disrespecful to the club who gave him his chance, play him every week and pay him a good wage to play for Everton, he should be told that he is staying and if he want to go to Chelsea or United then he should carry performing as he has been and if a decent bid comes in for him next summer then he can go! In the mean time we should be looking for his replacement and if not getting him in now then definately during the winter window, so come summer when stones go we have a ready made replacement!
But that's just me :-)

25 Aug 2015 23:17:08
Well, if John Woods made a statement that neither he nor Bill Kenwright would sell John Stones let's see if they are true to their word.
I would like Stones to spend his career at Goodison but with his capabilities it is inevitable he will want to win titles and medals and so recognise at some time he will leave because his ambitions will not be met by staying at Everton as things are.
I feel a good outcome to this situation is if the board can persuade Stones to stay for another season on the promise he can leave next summer subject to satisfactory offer.
It needs someone such as Jamie Carragher to sit down with him and spell out exactly what to do. I would certainly listen to Jamie before any of that lot at Chelsea. He is certainly too young to be thinking money wise, and he will gain more experience with Everton and alongside Jagielka.
As other posters have mentioned I personally feel the best club for Stones to move to if he has to leave is Man United
Everton directors really have to have a good look at themselves and look to what direction they are taking the club. It certainly isn't upwards and forward.

25 Aug 2015 23:15:25
Here's an idea Bill

Av a word with stones and get him to stay until January

Place 100mill on bets at the current odds and that would return a whopping 250 mill

150 mill? That would go some way towards a new stadium haha

Plus the 40-50 mill transfer fee in jan

I'm sure if we offered stones a little 2 mill to stay he would accept


Haha joking aside do you think stuff like this actually goes on in football? It wouldn't surprise me tbh

25 Aug 2015 23:03:06
Anyone else wishing we'd kept Shane Duffy as cover now.