Everton Banter Archive August 26 2013

26 Aug 2013 22:31:44
Mc Carthy is far better than any of the wigan players we brought in this kid Will be quality

26 Aug 2013 19:39:41
Not a rumour but come on jose stuff moyes an his men

26 Aug 2013 18:58:45
Is it me or are we now getting so desperate for someone to sign, then we don't care who they are, but if their Dutch or Italian then they must be good. I haven't heard of half the players we are being tagged with. But do question if they can't get in the Juve first team, were they play tippy tippy football all fall down. How the hell are they going to survive here. Squalari, Drenthe spring to mind. Buy proven players or don't bother.

I agree Twoold far too many players mentioned that are not 1st team regulars but seem to be worth a fair bit of cash. If we are going to spend it should be on a player that has a proven pedigree or a player that Martinez really wants.

SA90

I see what you mean OP but some players who cannot get into teams sometimes need a fresh start and they may be a perfect fit for our team.who really had heard of fella before we signed him.quality footballers are worldwide but you ain't going to know unless you take that chance.a 20 mill striker may score no more goals for us as say a 4 mill striker who unheard of but has been given a chance

Totally agree dentielad. I still think we should have taken a punt on Phillip Hosiner from Austria Vienna for £4M, rather than Defoe, or someone who doesn't have many seasons left in him. Has that ship sailed Ed?

26 Aug 2013 17:20:26
I would like to see Jelavic given a free role and basically let his natural instincts carry him through each game.

Andy The Chef.

Mirralas needs to b givin free roll, jelly has to be left in box and told DO not LEAVE

Providing he stays on-side,
Mike

I think that's what i'm trying to true blue, just leave him out of the team talks and let him STAY in the box.

Leave him out of team talks!? Behave

TJ

Players don't have to pay for food in the canteen. Rolls are indeed free for players. Jelly is too. Although I think they only do Raspberry flavour.
Degsypulford

Cnt have him runnin channels, he's a goal scorer, he wnt score goals out der, we can see it, surely bobby can too, piennar needs to stay out left and we need a pacy winger on the right to allow mirralas space

You might be on to something there Degsy. Jelavic does seem to have put a bit of weight on since last season. Maybe he had Kone's Jelly and rolls while he was fasting for Ramadan.

A pacy winger on the right, that is where del boy fits in

26 Aug 2013 14:29:33
Hope the following is true!
Moyes' Quotes Hurt Possible Transfers Bleacher Report (today).
If it's true Felli /Baines staying-now watch some other B**ard team come in for them!

26 Aug 2013 14:07:05
Anyone else watching the Manchester United v chelsea game tonight, hoping chelsea stuff the mancs and see Moyes squirm like a maggot after the way he's been tapping are boys up?

26 Aug 2013 13:21:22
(1) Who would prefer the transfer windows to be completely scrapped? There'd still be a cut-off date towards the end of the league season, so that clubs couldn't bring in extra players just for the last few games in order to secure a finishing position. Players would also be cup-tied for that season if they move clubs and have already played in a particular cup competition. There might also be a limit on how many clubs a player could move to permanently during a league season. Multiple loan periods would be OK.
(2) Who would prefer the Summer transfer window to close immediately before the start of the domestic league season? The only problem I see is for clubs still playing in the European qualifying rounds after their domestic campaign has already begun, as they might want to bring in players depending on getting into (or not as the case may be) the group stages. The winter transfer window would stay as is - possibly at the same time as a winter break.
(3) Who would keep the current system just as it is?
(4) Has anyone got any other suggestions for revamping (and hopefully improving!) the current system? Should transfer fees be scrapped or replaced by fixed compensation amounts depending on length of remaining contracts, age of players, length of time at current clubs (i.e. years spent being developed the academy, etc.)? There are some rules already in place. As for scrapping fees meaning that the "big" clubs will just pay massive wages to secure the best players, there are rules being put in place to restrict wage bills. As for smaller (lower league) clubs losing out on fees, the compensation amounts could be increased and include future additional payments based on a player's progress and his new club's success.
One thing to remember IMHO: the transfer fee is payment for the transfer of the player's registration to his new club while he is under contract to his old club. It's not be player who is being bought and sold - it's not slavery! I have little doubt that the players' unions (domestic and international) will use employment law to fundamentally change how football transfers will be done in future and there'll be a set of rules that set compensation amounts for players changing clubs while still under contract - albeit only at certain periods such as in between seasons and not mid-season and with a reasonable period of notice given. IMHO clubs will have to plan for players (and agents) deciding that a player is going to leave. The days of retain & transfer or being an indentured servant or being the property of a football club have long gone.
Apologies if this post is too long for some of you ;-) but an occasional essay amongst the craic is surely acceptable.
Once a blue, always a blue!

The original post is mine. I was sure I was logged in. Must be another old-timer's moment.

I think the transfer window should be open all year long, as this would decrease the prices as teams can buy when needed or if a club wants to just get rid of a player,

but with that say any player can only play for 2 clubs in a calader year and that's when all cup ties would be reset at the sme time.

wages should go on the players international games, i.e No games 5k max, 1-5 games 10k, 6-10 games 15k, and so on up to the max of 50k, as no player no matter how good you are should get paid more than that.

and you can do a similar kind of system, as this would open the doors for teams to get so better players and it makes a more of a fairer playing field for teams to sign players and pay wages

26 Aug 2013 14:47:58
Well strictly speaking the current transfer system is completely contrary EU Law regarding the freedom of movement of labour. Its a hotch potch and if ever was challenged could bring the whole structure down.
We've seen in the past UEFA thinking they are above EU law but the Bosman ruling saw that blown out of the water, if you do business in the EU you are subject to EU law, in fact EU law is UK law.
That said transfer fees are intended as a compensation to avoid unlawfull interference in a contract by third parties. This is balanced against the principle no man should be a slave to a contract.
We've seen this recently with first Everton telling Man U to back off, with then rumours of players being asked to put in a transfer request. However if any undue influence could be shown it would still be interference, to solicit, procure or counsel an unlawful act is in itself unlawful!
The whole of football really is a castle built on the sand of transfer fees. {Ed001's Note - actually the EU have already ruled that football is a special case and not beholden to the usual laws regarding labour.}

26 Aug 2013 17:57:41
It still remains a Commission compromise. The ECJ have favoured compensatory schemes as far as transfers are concerned. But windows hint at a restriction on trade, the ECJ is much less favourable on any restrictions.

All this talk of transfer windows and moving deadlines from one point to another so teams are not disrupted is in my mind really stupid.
If there is a deadline, no matter when that deadline is, a player sold on that deadline day does still not give the selling team time to buy a replacement regardless of if it is before or after the season starts.
Also European leagues start at different times, if Real Madrid decided they wanted to buy Naismith for 100 mill on their deadline day we would be upset if our deadline had already passed, and vice versa.
Deadlines are deadlines and will always cause the same issues no matter when they come

26 Aug 2013 11:42:51
Players I think would improve us:

Moses
Marrone
Barry
Defoe
Alderwield.

Obviously i'm not expecting all of them to come, butits good to see us linked with these players.

It's not just finding the transfer fees given our limited finances, but also the limits placed on our wage bill by the new rules about Financial Fair Play, etc., that restrict our squad rebuilding. Even if we had the money to pay for these extra players, we'd be in danger of exceeding the permitted annual increase in our wage bill and risk a penalty such as a points deduction or disqualification from European competition.
Unhappy-Camper

Sell heitinga to fund alderwied move but Marrone and loan Moses= best window in years

26 Aug 2013 14:16:31
I would sooner have Heitinga than Barry.

26 Aug 2013 11:06:39
Would be good if Fellaini went to spurs for £18m + Holtby.

Add the £18m to the rumoured £5m that we have = £23

Sell Johnny for £3m + £23m = £26m

Buy Moses £8m, Marrone £7m, Aldeweireld £5m, Defoe £6m

Wouldn't that be nice, blues?

sc

Not that simple mate. And Holtby is quite light weight, I don't want him. Yes he is a good player, but we have Osman, Barkley and Fellaini who can play in the attacking midfield role. We need a player more like barry.

The transfer fees maths might add up, but we'd still have to accommodate the extra wages without breaking the new Financial Fair Play, etc., rules about year-on-year increases in the total wage bill being within certain limits.
Unhappy Camper

26 Aug 2013 10:18:07
Eds what are your thoughts on us still signing a marque signing? Instead of us going for Moses why not aim a little higher say we have approx £10m to spend sell fellaini £23m. £3m sissoko and £30m for Torres just a thought. Or maybe the sun is getting to my head as I am sitting by the pool in gran canaria. I didn't go the game but have seen the highlights here it looked as if we had the chances to get 3pts and think people are getting carried away we all new it was going to take time. Just look at spurs they have 6pts with 2pens it's small margins and if we had a striker who can make the difference maybe we would get the 3pts. Maybe jelavic is the man once he gets going. {Ed025's Note - jelavic is running out of time for me robbie, i expect kone to start against stevenage, and if he performs, i can see him being the go to guy against cardiff..

That a typo Robbie? £3m for Torres maybe?

In the formation we seem to be playing - a number-9 in front of a fluid three-man attacking midfield with two holding midfielders behind them - the lone striker has to work his socks off all along the front line (left, right and centre) as well as scoring goals. There's no doubt that Jelavic works hard, but his scoring edge now appears to be irreparably blunted. Anichebe is big and strong, but he also just can't get the goals. Vellios is still too raw. Kone might settle in, but he's done nothing to write home about so far. Unless the midfield start putting away chances (and we are creating plenty) and unless we tighten up defensively (which doesn't look likely given our more open style of play), then the lack of a regular goal-scorer up front will be telling.
Unhapy-Camper

26 Aug 2013 09:16:35
Hey Ed 25. I hope you've got time off work next Monday as I reckon we might have some business to report. I remember last January on transfer deadline day you were flat out mate.

Have an early night on Sunday and 3 shredded wheat for brecci

COYB
Toffee ace {Ed025's Note - i might just need 4 ace..cheers..

I have taken my kids and sat in family enclosure and the lower bullens, great views of the game.

26 Aug 2013 08:51:18
Not including Stevenage. The important games for us as a club, Cardiff Away, Chelsea Home, West Ham Away, If we play like we did on Saturday, we won't get anything out of these games, maybe a draw or two, will we have to wait until the last day of September for our first win in the league against Newcastle?, who are in turmoil. After 5 games the league starts to take shape, we could be looking at a 6 pointer on the 6th game. {Ed025's Note - you really are a negative so and so biffy, although saturday was not great, it was hardly a disaster, factor in the disruption we have had this week (thanks for that moyes) we are still playing decent stuff, and with a bit more luck could be sitting on 6 points..

Ed, that is the way the league is, every club has to put up with disruption in the transfer market, Spurs have had more to cope with than us, they have got on with it, I mention spurs as I seen us on level term with them. However I don't think we played well on Saturday, 8 shots on goal, 4 basically back passes. We created very little that's the bottom line, apart from barkley and coleman we were devoid of movement and thought, that's what it looked like from the TB anyhow.

Were not even close spurs, to there squad or spending power exspecially right now