Everton Banter Archive April 26 2016

 

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26 Apr 2016 23:22:05
I've been looking at people's posts about our manager situation and I had my say the other day and most people disagreed and that's fine. But I keep seeing people say we need Koeman, we need De Boer. These two guys are contracted to well run clubs and would cost a good amount of money to release from them contracts if they would want to leave which is no gimme. The best chance we will get is a high profile manager out of work or like I said take a chance on manager like Eddie Howe and hope he is the next 'special one'.

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27 Apr 2016 06:51:53
True, but we would happily do that for a player so why not a manager. If it costs a few million then so be it. Just make sure he's the right man.

One of my main gripes about Moyes leaving was that he knowingly let his contract run down so that wealthy Man U had him for squat.

If we want a good manager who is expensive then so be it and give the club he's leaving every penny they deserve. That's just football.

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27 Apr 2016 07:00:54
It's a huge gamble on taking a chance on an unproven manager. This might be our only chance to drag ourselves back up to the top table of the EPL.

I'd rather put it in the hands of someone who has been at the top than someone with so little experience.

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27 Apr 2016 08:19:02
KingPin, Eddie Howe (not saying I want him) is at this stage of his career, head and shoulders above Martinez, with the investment and TV money coming in, it will all go to waste under Martinez. He (Martinez) may well be a very nice man but as I have posted and others there is absolutely no evidence he has the credentials to manage at this level. He has taken a very good core of players and over nearly three seasons turned this great Club into a bottom half of the Table Team. I am deadly serious when I say that if he is retained he will have us relegated within the next two seasons.

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27 Apr 2016 10:00:08
Wigan were relegated and we still paid them compensation to take Martinez. If we would pay that for this failure I am damned sure an ambitious Club would pay far more for a successful Coach/ Manager. The thing is other Clubs and their Chairmen see us as a soft touch. Hopefully all that will change now we have an actual Billionaire majority shareholder and soon to have total say.

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{Ed002's Note - Rubbish. The compensation was for his contract.}

26 Apr 2016 19:41:49
just a change of subject for a bit, with a new stadium being proposed, where are peoples ideal locations. I'm from Dublin so i don't pretend to know Liverpool well at all but i was looking at some proposed sites (Scotland Road, Clarence Docks, Stanley Park and Walton Hall Park) last night and was just wondering where you would ideally want a new stadium. Oh and what would you name it if you had a choice. something like the Peoples Park etc.

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26 Apr 2016 20:50:10
Where Waterloo road meets Regents road on the docks by Costco's, there is a piece of land that would fit a stadium and retail. There is then a strip of land in front of it that overlooks the River Mersey for Restaurants. It would be an amazing site to build the stadium and be away from anyone who would want to stop it being built.

There is also another site on Bridle Road next to the Santander building that would easily fit a stadium and retail plus it's a stones throw away from Aintree race course meaning good transport links are already there.

Walton Park is OK but I think it's going to be a ball ache in getting it approved.

As for a name? Welcome - To The School of Science.

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{Ed025's Note - love the name john..

26 Apr 2016 20:12:31
Does anyone remember that game when we were kids called frustration? Well that's what being an Evertonian with RM in charge is. Apparently he likes playing football out from the back. so much that after they have gotton the ball out from the back and given it to the midfield, they give it back again just to show they can do it again. except this time the other team spoils it by taking the ball off us. Not to worry though because we win it back again and start the whole process over and over again. Once in a while we do get under pressure and hoof it forwards to a big strong lad who does score a load of goals. but hardly ever wins a header when its coming from our defenders or keeper. FRUSTRATION!

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27 Apr 2016 07:03:55
We should have it as our next chant on the terraces Degsy.

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26 Apr 2016 19:59:53
Did anyone else notice how we improved no end second half last week. Most of the good stuff eminated from Jon Stones bringing the ball out of defence and running at their midfield and taking them on man to man. None of this negative to the center half. to the full back. back to the center half. to the other full back etc. This is exactly why he is attracting the so called big clubs. This brings me to a post I put on about a year ago. The so called attacking football RM preaches is in my view very negative. Ball retention above risk and thrusting forwards. Well I would like to see us move Stones to just in front of a back 2 of Mori and Jags. Forget having Barry and McCarthy as 2 holding midfielders and let Stones patrol up and down the pitch as a central midfielder. Tell Barkley to get up alongside Lukaku and have the full backs and wide midfielders interchanging as was under Moyes. Barkley is a big strapping lad and should be able to work with Lukaku. especially with Stones running through with the ball as per the 2nd half. Stones is also much fitter and younger than Barry. So we should finish games a bit stronger. It is all ifs and buts. but Stones did look good doing exactly this in the 2nd half.

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26 Apr 2016 21:19:27
Couldn't agree more mate, I have wanted stones to play in the same role Dier had played for spurs for ages.

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26 Apr 2016 22:14:18
Said it ever since he appeared on the scene, but the coaches and managers must see something different.

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26 Apr 2016 22:41:39
It's not such a crazy idea degsy. I'd like to see him try the role at least. We can be slow in the middle of the park and one thing Stones does best is make us direct and he looks forward. It would make a nice change from McCarthy.

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26 Apr 2016 22:44:51
Stones looks good when he doesn't dwell on the ball like he did first half. He got the ball, put his foot on it, looked around passed it sideways or backwards because he got closed down.
2nd half he was moving the ball quicker, playing one two's and running forward with the ball.
Everything he was doing at the start of the season and all of last season that made him worth the millions he is supposed to be worth.
Did he finally get it?
Did he get a bollocking at half time.
We can guess but the only people who know are those that were in the dressing room.

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26 Apr 2016 17:49:00
Said it before Everton should of went for Milner the goals he creates is plenty, love his attitude too.

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26 Apr 2016 19:18:27
Just a 150k stummbling block.

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{Ed025's Note - and thats each week mike...should be per year for me..

26 Apr 2016 19:21:21
Where did that come from? You crazy guy!

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26 Apr 2016 19:23:59
you cannot be serious.

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26 Apr 2016 19:44:44
Yuck no thanks!

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26 Apr 2016 20:08:29
same here no way hozay he ain't that good.

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27 Apr 2016 01:55:03
Out of all players who can create goals,you had to go for a over rated,150k P/w red as our saviour.I give up

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26 Apr 2016 16:07:48
Barkley doesn't half come in for some stick from us blues.

However, has anyone actually seen what Ross has done this season?

I can't remember a Midfielder making such a contribution to an Everton Midfield since the 80's and I wonder if even then we had anyone do what he has done.

As I put below. He has scored 12 goals this season and assisted 10 others.

The nearest I can think of is Cahill had 10 goals and 5 assists in one season and Kev getting 11 goals in one season.

In a poor season he has done really well. Let's give a bit of credit to lad and remember he may not be Messi but he's a damn fine player.

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26 Apr 2016 16:30:16
I agree with most of what you say, he is a damn fine player. However, he needs to learn to let the ball go a bit earlier and he would be twice the player he is now.
He can be frustrating at times but hopefully the new Manager (and there will be one) will put him right in this regard.

Rest assured fellow blues, there will be a change of Manager. Moshiri is a billionaire and he didn't get that few bob by making OBVIOUS wrong decisions. Even I can see that one trick Bobby is not the right man for the job and I'm skint, well compared to the Billionaire anyway. Now where did I put my Rolex.

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{Ed025's Note - good stuff frank..

26 Apr 2016 16:48:48
I won't argue with that assessment either Frank. He still has much to learn and hopefully the next manager will not just praise his players to death but will also deal with the issues they have.

You can put Stones and Lukaku in the same bracket. I think Martinez expects them to learn by themselves rather than give constructive criticism.

Considering he won't peak for another 3 to 5 years he is making great progress.

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26 Apr 2016 16:58:32
Ross has lost form recently but his contribution this season has been excellent he is a real talent and hopefully will only get better.

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26 Apr 2016 21:04:18
Think he needs to work on his overall fitness, as do some others. A fitter Ross would shine in my opinion.

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26 Apr 2016 22:56:57
Ross has all the talent needed to succeed at this level and could easily push himself further. he has matured this year my only criticism is for his size he is not a very physical player I don't think I have seen him go for a good 50 50 tackle all season if you look at alli he has all the skills but also is willing to get stuck in when needed which for me just gives him the edge over rross.

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27 Apr 2016 07:09:55
I think it's because of his leg Am8s. When you break your leg in three places you lose that edge in the tackle and I don't blame him.

Deli Ali is a good player but Ross for me is selfless and always looks to play people in. You don't get many players like that.

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26 Apr 2016 15:13:36
It is being speculated that a board meeting is to be held this week to discuss the managerial position. Moshiri is not on the board so he has no vote although I am sure he will let his opinion be known. Now if the question comes up about Martinez and his tenure I would like to speculate on the response:
Kenwright: Wonderful manager, making progress with a young side, needs more time, blah, blah, blah.
Woods: I'm with you Bill.
Elstone: Whatever you say Bill.
Ryazantsev: My boss wants a new manager for next season.
Bill: OK let's take a vote!

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26 Apr 2016 15:50:25
I guess 2-2. Woods didn't impress team performance since derby match. So let's Moshiri make final call.

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26 Apr 2016 16:03:22
I think it's a bit of a joke when a person holds 49% of a business and isn't even on the board maybe if moshrie was a board member Roberto would of had the chop by now.

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26 Apr 2016 16:35:16
What Moshiri wants Moshiri will get, no if's or buts. Make no mistake, he holds all the power now. It now depends on how ambitious he is.

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{Ed025's Note - very frank..

26 Apr 2016 16:57:18
Very ambitious by the sounds of it, Frank.

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26 Apr 2016 17:23:43
He has his man on the board who will vote as Moshiri tells him and remember as it is Moshiri who will bankroll the tranfare kitty, he will probably insist on who gets to spend it. So the final say must be his I would think.

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{Ed002's Note - What are you talking about? Vote? What vote? Bankroll?}

26 Apr 2016 19:42:45
HTF did Elstone get himself on the Board, in my honest opinion the bloke has been a disaster.

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26 Apr 2016 14:23:33
We need dowell in the team he has been unreal this season! Well better than barkley imo.

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26 Apr 2016 15:21:44
You mean Ross Barkley? who has scored 12 goals and has 10 assists this season?

I like the look of Dowell and he has a big future but don't start putting unrealistic pressure on him like most do on Barkley.

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26 Apr 2016 23:29:08
What an idiotic comment. Dowell is clearly talented, but he's nowhere near Ross YET. Regardless, we shouldn't be looking to 'replace' Barkley with Dowell, we should be looking for a way to integrate them both into the same side.

Will never understand the hate for Barkley, gives his heart to this club and for what? Non stop abuse. It's like the fans are trying to force one of England's hottest talents out of the club, one of our own, it's shameful and borderline embarrassing.

^ Well said BlueJohnUns, too many fans with short memories.

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26 Apr 2016 14:19:23
Why on earth do people want to go back in time why would anybody want DM back, we had 10 years of average football with 1 season of excitement finishing 4th, We tried going back with the best manager we ever had HK twice, we tried and it did'nt work, We now have money in the club and it is time to look forward not back, I know everyone has an opinion and rightly so, but I would really like the club to be brave for, me it would be Frank De Boer.

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26 Apr 2016 14:23:43
There is no comparison between Moyes and Kendall. On his second term Kendall left because thew board would not back him over Dublin and third time sadly he had become an alcoholic by then. As for Moyes we had 10 years of over achieving he stayed disoite a lack of money.

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26 Apr 2016 14:55:33
DM was great with defensive tactics not so good at attacking. RM is the opposite side of the coin. How about a manger that can do both?

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26 Apr 2016 17:39:36
The problem with HK was obvious, so let's not go there eh. A great Manager.

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26 Apr 2016 14:12:51
Ok so don't think today is the day that we sack the manager that will come soon. We do have something to celebrate as a city today That is the truth about 96 football fans that went to a game and never come home.

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26 Apr 2016 15:03:09
I think this could be a reason it may not happen this week.

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26 Apr 2016 13:27:47
Hi all let's not forget when moysey left then came back for Fellaini Baines Coleman etc then thought he was the big one then failed at united with a top team loads of money to spend and won us what? Thanks for the service I know we are desperate at the moment blues but just remember what he tried to do to are club when he left he's not in a job because people have seen his work at Everton and United?

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26 Apr 2016 12:24:30
If moyes comes back to everton it will be the biggest mistake in living memory for the club it will divide the fans and the players and think I will cause a bigger mess than we are in now.

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{Ed025's Note - never a truer word said skylark..

26 Apr 2016 12:39:52
I was moyes biggest fan while he was at the club. Met him more than once and he's a gent. But I couldn't agree more. It's not the way forward. Going back never works out second time round. We did that with Kendall. Let's learn from past mistakes and move on.

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26 Apr 2016 12:40:04
Dependant on who Everton sign as manager will send out a message to the football world. If we sign the likes of Howe or Ladrup etc, then we show our intention to survive in the premiership. If we try and sign the likes of Pelligrini or other top names that have been mentioned, then we send out a clear message to both the premiership and Europe that we intend to challenge for honours each year at home and in Europe. I totally agree Moyes would be a step backwards and a huge mistake. Please no!

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{Ed002's Note - The Liverpool fans also think their club sends out these secret messages as well. Probably a Merseyside thing.}

26 Apr 2016 12:19:16
Justice at last. You never walked alone, not one single yard. NSNO for the 96 x.

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{Ed025's Note - im with you all the way there pedro..

26 Apr 2016 15:52:25
A great day to be scouser
Well said pedro, couldn't have put it better myself
JUSTICE AT LAST.

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26 Apr 2016 17:43:16
2 great clubs side by side.

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26 Apr 2016 18:46:00
Today I'm not even arsed about the squabble over which multi millionaire is going to play musical chairs at our great club.
I will be celebrating the fact that we as a city refused to accept a hideously grotesque and sickening cover up by the establishment and their filthy cohorts, to point the finger of blame firmly onto men, women and children who went to watch a football match and never came home.
The fact is that after 27 yrs of never giving up, those families can finally utter the words "Rest in piece" to their cherished loved ones.
We who support but didn't lose anyone that day, have no idea what that must feel like.
Today is about justice and this city and the people who dwell here.
We have our banter but we are one!
Sleep tight 96 x.

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{Ed025's Note - great post pablo mate..

26 Apr 2016 19:12:59
*peace
Predictive txt.

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26 Apr 2016 19:13:52
Thanks ed
I just feel so proud right now and I'm sure we all do.

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{Ed025's Note - i certainly do pablo...

26 Apr 2016 11:48:38
As we're speculating on Roberto Martinez being replaced, let's play the game of guessing which players in the current squad would stay and which would leave if, say, David Moyes came back.
Would Stones - a Moyes signing - still want to leave?
Would Hibbert, Gibson, Osman and Pienaar - all Moyes players - be released when their contracts expire this summer?
Would Lukaku and Deulofeu be moved on by Moyes?
What about Barry, McCarthy, Kone, Funes Mori?
Would Mirallas and Lennon - even Niasse - thrive under Moyes?
Would Coleman and Baines return to form?
Would Moyes select Barkley and pro0erly develop the other young talent we have?
Would Moyes bring defensive stability, game management, and mental toughness - but also use the available talent and available funds to build a team/ squad that plays a more entertaining attacking style than he did when he was "bringing a knife to a gunfight" - who knows?
Whoever replaces RM, the new manager won't be the preferred choice of all of our fans, but I imagine we'd all give him reasonable time. How long our patience would last is a moot point considering the fickle nature and fragile morale of many Everonians,

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26 Apr 2016 12:57:53
If Moyes was to return, I would expect him to build a team around mccarthy, besic and barkley, think hibbo, pienaar and Gibson will be shown the door no matter who's in charge. Think he would mould del boy in a similar way he did with arteta.

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{Ed025's Note - lets just hope that never happens rush..

26 Apr 2016 13:05:41
What a great post, will be interesting to see the replies although I suspect I already know the cliches that will come out from our "knowledgable" fans.

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26 Apr 2016 12:42:11
I suspect none would be moved on by Moyes. They'd be running for the exit door!

Forget about Lukaku, Stones even Barkley staying.

He'd probably get Phil back and adopt 11 players into his circle of trust and ignore the rest. Especially upcoming talent.

Then when a player wants to leave to better his career he will let him go for peanuts.

At around the mid point of the season when we are mid table he will go on about a knife at a gun fight to build confidence for us supporters or go on about taking our club as far as he can.

Those talented crop of kids. The great news with Moyes would be that he would let them go for nowt and end up selling at their next club for millions or winning a world cup.

Dint worry about losing that money though. As he showed at united, he won't be buying any high profile players. Even with man United's profile behind him he couldn't attract them.

I also can't wait to see us getting that drawing mentality back at the club. Ste Naismith put it perfectly when he said he'd never played for a manager that went out to draw a game before. He was used to going for the win at every game at Rangers.

That's what we've been missing.

Can someone please pass the red carpet.

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26 Apr 2016 12:41:35
Moyes would stop us conceding almost straight off the bat. But that then would be it. There'll be very little else in the form of attacking football. He will use the Leicester model and expect results.

Admire his defensive organisation but the man ruins attackers and doesn't know how to break teams down.

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26 Apr 2016 11:46:56
At last justice for the 96.

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26 Apr 2016 14:30:51
What clown disagreed with that statement? Honestly the mentality of some people beggars belief.

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26 Apr 2016 17:44:50
Just ignore them. keyboard warriors must live a sad life.

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26 Apr 2016 11:40:23
A good point raised by one poster, no news today due to Hillsborough however I cannot see our board giving him a vote of confidence before the game on Saturday.

If they do they will subject the guy to the most toxic and unpleasant atmosphere at Goodison in living memory which surely none of us want.
I confidently expect a press release Thursday or Friday.

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26 Apr 2016 11:16:01
Imagine if Everton had been in Tottenham's situation this season - or like Liverpool's a couple of seasons ago - of strongly challenging for the Premier League title and falling short in the final few matches.
Plenty of rival fans loved seeing those clubs falter - while the THFC and LFC fans were devestated.
I wonder if other clubs' fans - not just Liverpool's - would relish seeing Evertonians suffer the heartache of missing out. (This really is hypothetical, as we're unlikely to challenge under RM! )
I don't see too many non-LCFC fans being overly upset by LCFC actually winning the Premier Leage title this season. Perhaps that's because we blithely regard LCFC's success as a freakish one-off and don't consider them a genuine longer-term threat?

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26 Apr 2016 11:14:40
Personally I'd like to see what Moyes could do with a shilling or two. He was never given a chance at Man U and he did well for us with limited resources.

I swear I'll never eat another Spanish omelette as long as I live, and that word 'terrific' should now be officially omitted from the English Language.

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26 Apr 2016 12:06:14
Well for starters he signed fellaini for more than he was worth.God it was only a while back that people were complaining how boring we were to watch under Moyes. He had 11 years here,time for someone else if bobby gets sacked

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26 Apr 2016 12:15:41
Fellaini is a regular now in Utd midfield so perhaps Moyes was right after all. And Fellaini certainly dug us out of a hole quite a few times.

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26 Apr 2016 12:52:58
But I wouldn't pay £27 million for what Fellaini does on the pitch. The objection was about value for money as I see it. And whether Moyes would improve given a larger budget.

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26 Apr 2016 13:27:23
Fellaini had a pretty good game last Saturday and player's values depend on who the club is, time left on contract etc. Yes a lot of money but we got Lukaku.

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26 Apr 2016 11:04:09
. so it's looking like Moysiah coming back then. ! I hope we show a bit more ambition than him his time round!

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26 Apr 2016 09:16:13
Personal take on the Roberto Martinez situation is that Mr Kenwright's renowned loyalty to a fault will prevail and Roberto Martinez will still be our Manager next season. The man just talks so good a game that Chairmen are so taken in by it that they totally ignore his Premiership record. I can only hope that once it sinks into our Chairman's head it is not to late.

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26 Apr 2016 09:40:15
It's changed significantly now that we have a big investor!

BK hasn't just got a section of the fans , no he has a majority of the fans against Martrinez joined now by a substantial portion of the punditry corps. press, ex players perhaps current players I would say Bill is out voted on this very important and urgent decision!

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26 Apr 2016 11:04:25
Apparently its the quality of manager they want to bring that's being negotiated. Moshiri wants to bring in a big name, a statement, while "Top Bloo" Bill Kenwright wants to bring in a lesser name.

Show's you where he's at, ambition-wise.

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26 Apr 2016 08:41:49
It's reported moyes is desperate for a return to everton if RM is sacked I've got a horrible feeling it will be him who is getting the job it's just feels like something everton would do.

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26 Apr 2016 10:50:20
Moyes needs to get his sneaky arse out of bed and stop waiting for Bill to ring him, he has turned down clubs in the hope he gets that call, do one Moyes, I hate sneaks.

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26 Apr 2016 13:30:04
Moyes with money would win troghies and take us into the champions league I am sure but it would take time clearing up RB's mess.

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26 Apr 2016 07:10:30
I have been considering what has happened to our team recently why has our form been so bad we have had had some good results and performances under Roberto in the past so what has gone wrong?
Have the players given up on the manager?
Have other teams found us out?
Is it just purely a lack of confidence?

One thing I don't like is the one dimensional football we play I am the biggest fan of playing out from the back and it was refreshing to see when Roberto came in. No team can play this way all the time if the opposition know this they will push the defensive line up and press us high up the pitch ie what Utd did in semi-final. If you play direct the opposition will drop off to reduce the space behind the defence and GK. So this is why we have to mix it up and sometimes let Robles just take a goal kick rather than the two centre backs splitting and looking for the ball maybe if we can do this we may have more success and not be so predictable. It would make it a lot more difficult for the opposition if sometimes we went direct to Rom at the sametime if we do he needs support and players running off him ie Barkley and the wingers.

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26 Apr 2016 09:12:35
Not a lot to be found out to be honest. We play good attacking football but with the sides Roberto picks when our FB's go forward our wings are incapable of covering. When we do attack or counter attack because we have predominantly DM's that sit deep the gap is huge between defence and attack. Teams know this and it even happened in Roberto's first season of record points haul after the initial surge. It is strange that he neglects the defence so much when you consider he was a DM himself.

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26 Apr 2016 06:54:12
If Bobbie was going to be sacked it would have happened after the semi or on Monday morning. none of which has happened. So I'm guessing it will be at the end of the season ( Don't know why they would wait ) . or . he is safe for next season. C'mon Bill. enough is enough. Get it done.

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25 Apr 2016 23:23:29
So I've been wondering about all of this and tried looking for some indication of what direction the club is going to take.

Will he stay or won't he?

What I would have expected by now is something from the club if Martinez was staying. However, it has been silence and Martinez left to fend for himself in the press.

In the past Kenwright has always been there to back up his manager. Not this time. It's still only early days and we could still have something come out but the longer the silence the more confident I believe he is gone and soon.

Elstone, another to fall?

This guy is the most anonymous CEO I've ever known but his shift upstairs will no doubt create space for new leadership in this area from a trusted Moshiri ally bringing the wind of change over the next half a dozen months.

New ground?

Joe Anderson has been silent on this issue recently and considering he can't help but drag our club through the mud to get himself some publicity I think there is possibly movement on this issue behind the scenes.

With mayor elections just around the corner he wouldn't be Joe Anderson if he wasn't using us to his advantage.

Kenwright moved sideways

His health is still poor and he needs recuperation now. I love the guy and he saved my club from extinction. Some love him others hate him and it's your choice. For me he brought pride and dignity back to a club that lost it.

Our club has a heart right in the middle of it. Unlike most like City and Chelsea our club is not a billionaires toy it's there for it's community. Even with a billionaire at the helm now what he has instilled will be there for a long time to come.

However, it's time for change and I trust his judgement over any other.

Moshiri time to deliver

You know who we are, what We stand for and what we expect. It's not just money it's the package we need. Stadium, infrastructure and ambition. Deliver on this and move this club forward and you may one day die a legend and immortal.

COYB NSNO.

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25 Apr 2016 23:14:52
tomoz papers all reporting that everton board have a meeting before the weekend to discuss robrtos future plus lots of reports of mass demo by supporters on saturday planned walkout and the throwing of tennis balls on the 21st minute the tennis ball one is definitely going to happen. no one is listening so it has to be visual.

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