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25 Feb 2013 21:43:41
Do you think moyes is listening to steve round to much. all this talk of him goin. what u think of bringin irvine back to work wiv moyes?or irvine as manager I no he ain't managed in the prem b4.
25 Feb 2013 21:35:34
Hope barkely gets a good 20mins tmoz or even starts.
Tbh there has to be a point now were he is seriously considering resting big players with BIG games against arsenal and city coming, I personally believe we can both our next home games without our full first teams as long as its duffy and not heitinga lol, rest jags for one and distin the other, rest baines for one use oviedo, rest pienaar for the other use oviedo, rest ossie for barkley, jella, mirallas, gibbo and coleman all actually need the games so that's still a good core of players! agefc
25 Feb 2013 21:15:04
Best performences all season-man u at home, villa away, and swansea away. just watching spurs wernt we linked with holty looks a bargain, one that got away again,
25 Feb 2013 21:06:25
Does Moyes no something us fans don't I think he must to gamble with the fans affections the way he has he must of already been told the future
Ambitions of the club with regards to spending next year based on league finish and if he finishes out of the top six I don't think he's liked whet he's been told with perhaps forced sales without major rebuild money if wich is the case I think he wil step aside if this
Happens it wil be hard to attract a decent manager to come in because
Funds wil be needed
25 Feb 2013 21:06:22
If we get beat tmoz moyes should go!
25 Feb 2013 21:03:49
We been linked wiv sinclare in the summer. we might get refusel because of the rodwell deal to city. but wether we get him is a different story!
25 Feb 2013 20:18:12
Bill has the clubs interests at heart. But no real cash. The team seem not to be playing for Moyes anymore. The last 2 results show this.
If we do win the cup game on tues, That's a big if.
I will be short lived. Moyes will cock it up. He should go now. we won't be relegated.
Steve round should be given the chance I feel.
Raz {Ed025's Note - not for me raz...he is one of the reasons we can be so negative at times..
Can't believe anyone would want steve round in charge!
Perhaps a new number 2 is needed. It's all looking a bit stale. Would maybe freshen things up and bring new ideas to the table. It has to be considered, surely, otherwise I fear a steady decline and Moyes' popularity going down the drain and him becoming a hated figure, which he really doesn't deserve.
25 Feb 2013 20:05:24
Stop your moaning we are having a great season yes going through a dip we should have a lot more points on the board but you only have to look at are top scorer to see we don't have that player that will win us the games if we had can Persie we would be top 2 fact he has won Manchester United 15 to 20 points this season
If we had Van Persie moyes would still find a way to ruin him.
If Moyes hadn't ruined Jelavic and smashed his confidence by making him run around like a headless chicken, then we'd be in a much healthier position. Just another 5 or 6 goals from him and some of those draws would be wins, and obviously we'd be a little better off points wise. We're not that far back and it would have made a lot of difference. I know it's IF's and BUT's but small details make a big difference in the long term. This was our best chance this season for many a long year, and DM's negative tactics and his refusal to sign a contract have cost us big time.
25 Feb 2013 17:52:26
Gerrard is arrogant and ignorant and mardy. but stop sticking up for him just because he gets press all the time. what do u expect from an england captain it comes with the job!
What has he done or said?
25 Feb 2013 17:49:41
Me nephew only 9yrs old I went up to gerrard for my nephew"but I no what you're sayin steff because he plays for the other side but woulf of thought more of him cus he's the england captain. ryanfromleic
What does this actually mean?
25 Feb 2013 17:33:55
Hi Eds
Talking economics now.
Now that the pound is becoming less in value against the euro and dollar, this will make Everton a better buy as the club will now be cheaper to purchase.
A 150 million asking price last week may well be the equivalent £120 million by end of month if pound continues to weaken against certain currencies.
Just a thought!
Thanks George Osbourne! We may get a buyer yet!
Lol
AW
25 Feb 2013 17:17:42
A lot of negativity for over a week now! So, letting you all know I have stuck 20 quid on us winning the FA Cup, and I also think we will finish 6th. Jelavic will score 9 goals in the last 11 games and Tony Hibbert will score the winner in the FA Cup final.
Ok the last bit about Hibbo is pushing it haha but come on lads, cheer up, rock Goodison out tomorrow and for the rest of the season!
COYB
MikeTheBlue
25 Feb 2013 16:06:19
I didn't enjoy always enjoy watching Everton when we had mediocre players, but I respected them when they gave 100% for the shirt. What I want to see is the better players that we now have giving their best while they play for Everton - even if they are disheartened or might be contemplating a transfer out at the end of the season. I remember Everton stalwart Mick Lyons - not the most technically gifted player in comparison to others that have graced our teamsheet - but boy did he give his all in his 300+ appearances in the Royal Blue shirt. Oh for someone like him, or an Alan Ball, or a Peter Reid to put some fire in the current team's bellies - or to give them a kick up their backsides if that's what it needs! I'd expect the manager to do that, but if he's demoralised and considering leaving at the end of the season, then who's left to motivate the players?
25 Feb 2013 15:54:49
Even though we got 4th one year, which got us a (short lived!) Champions League adventure, and have reached an FA Cup final, and had a few seasons in the UEFA Cup (Europa League), most supporters did, at first, buy into the task of rejuvenating Everton being a long term project for BK and DM. That patience was increasingly being challenged by a group who criticised BK's fruitless search for new owners/investors and those who were disenchanted with DM's game tactics, but until recently many supporters were still positive about making progress. Now the disenchantment is growing. I think that this is a feeling of lost opportunity and is because we were so close to getting success and the club just seems to have "bottled it" when some bravery (by BK, the board, DM, the players) was needed. This is especially so when several other clubs are having their own problems, relatively speaking, such as ManCity, Chelsea, Arsenal, and especially at a time when that lot across the park are in transition. What a chance to be top dog we're blowing! Just when we should be moving positively forward, we're going backwards. The other clubs - and particularly their fans - must be laughing all the way to the European places and trophies at poor old deluded has-been (and never-will-be in their eyes) Everton.
You know what's worst of all? Supporting Everton, man and boy, has become an addiction and staying a fan all these years sure has seemed as bad as the "cold turkey" of kicking any other kind of habit must be! Once a blue, alway a blue!
25 Feb 2013 15:39:14
Come on bubble blowers. do us a favour against Spuds!!
25 Feb 2013 15:35:26
What a difference a few months can make. It wasn't long ago we were all looking to the future with anticipation.
Champions league, Great football, scoring for fun, never giving up, etc.
Look at us now. We're ready to sell our best players and put inferior managers in charge of the club. The life of an Evertonian eh?
25 Feb 2013 22:06:40
moyes droped the bombshell by announcing what he did. The players are influenced by negativeness. and have lost the spirit. our logo Nothing but the best will do. Times up i'm afraid.
we need another limpar or a bally he was class. Tmrw is D Day for moyes.
Raz.
25 Feb 2013 13:19:09
i think this summer is going to be very tough on us blues, i'm not happy with moyes at all, how many times this season has he made a change when were winning with 5-10 mins to go, taking off the striker and having nobody hold the ball up when were under pressure, its happened all season and we've lost goals, vital goals in the last 10 mins of so many games which has cost us a European place.
he keeps going on about his contract, doesn't want to discuss it until the end of the season WHEN IT EXPIRES (nice 1 davey leave us all hanging). now that has got to affect the players, we pride ourselves on team spirit and togetherness, how can the players feel that if our best player (felli) has said he will leave and the manager doesn't want to to be there, because if he did he would have signed a deal by now and this wouldn't even be an issue, but it is, its a big issue.
congrats to Swansea but yesterdays cup win just annoyed me even more, since moyes took over in 2002 he has only took that competition seriously once, and we got to the semi finals, every other year we play a weak team and were out, can't he see more that anyone that this would be the easiest chance to win a trophy, teams like
Blackburn
Bolton
middlesbrough
wigan
spurs
villa
Birmingham
Cardiff
bradford
swansea
have all reached the final
we get laughed at by all other teams, 10 years no trophy's
maybe we do need a change?
what do you think
Can't remember us ever playing a weak team. Just keep getting knocked out by lower league teams I. e. Brentford!
25 Feb 2013 13:04:21
What do people think is the main reason we're playing crap football?
For me its a 'too static' midfield - with players not wanting the ball and 'hiding' behind opponents - so they can't be passed too.
Osman for me has always been a fringe player - not dominant enough to win you matches - but since his england cap he seems to be undroppable and he's strolling through games.
You know how Barcelona play that style of football where the whole team is constantly on the move and each of the 5 of 6 'nearest to' players deliberately move into the 'gaps' or space to give the guy on the ball several options to pass it on - well we're playing 'anti-barcelona' football - the complete opposite - in that whoever has the ball - looks around and usually has only one (or none) other options for a pass - so Jags just ends up hoofing it forwards - just to get rid of it
for me - Osman is the main culprit here - and or the other centre mid like Gibson - but these two are just drifting through games at the moment and not makingthemself always available
watch them and see what I mean - they're static too often and not moving into space to be able to receive a pass and help out a team mate
pienaar going completely crap also does not help (and naismith is just a waste of a player and does nothing) - did you see Pienaars completely foeful corners on saturday? Even pub players can find the space between penalty spot and six yard box with a quickish corner - pienaar hits anywhere but - like into the side neeting FFS.
Anyone else seeing something we're doing horribly wrong?
I don't want to slag off our team but they have to be shown or told when or where they're not doing something - or we'll never improve
I think the team was looking tired and in need of refreshing in December, I believe players as well as supporters new we needed fresh legs into the team! I think the farcical transfer window has also left the team and manager somewhat deflated and we are struggling to regain our form more games like Norwich just see us losing confidence Aswell!
All down to the manager for me as we have the players to play better football but the manager won't allow it.
25 Feb 2013 13:03:08
Does anybody remember kanchelskis getting jeered against Bradford years ago? Av got a horrible feelin that its going to happen with Fellaini Tuesday night.
Why should he he's not done anything wrong, the press constantly misquote! If he goes we have a fair chunk of money to spend!
Fellaini does not deserve jeers as he's never had a bad word to say about Everton, plus it's not his fault that the press twist everything he says to suit their agenda.
25 Feb 2013 12:44:36
Just want to say I was in portugal last summer in zoo marine water park in algarve, me and my nephew are everton fans. we entred the park and gerrard walks towards us I walked up to him wiv my nephew he was really excited and spoke to gerrard no one else noticed him"but gerrard totally blanked us made us looked stupid. me nephew was upset and I was. talk abt england captain being a role model. really hope we finish above um again. ryanfromleic
I would not lose any sleep over Gerrard ignoring you Ryan if it was an Everton player then I would be upset you should of givin him the finger cause that is what I would of done lol I would not let my son walk up to gerrard no way never he is the heart of the darkside. Stef the blue
Most celebs are knobheads
give them what they pretend to want and just ignore them
gerrard looks like he has no class though - my aunty got an autograph off kevin keegan when I was a lad and she said he was nice as pie to people in the street - gerrard looks like a lot of the england wasters - massive head and no real ability - was a good premiership player (so what?) but an average international
25 Feb 2013 12:38:19
maybe moyes just needs that bit of belief that's its not all over in terms of top 4, if he's feeling the pressure which is what's causing him to be miserable all the time maybe he needs the reassurance of the fans to remind him of how we truly regard him, I don't believe all the fans who say they don't want him because it was a completely different story when the season started, he's been kicked in the teeth by the board and that has had an effect on his demeanor, he is a human being and just like the players he may get alift if he hears the fans singing his tune at the game tommorow, even if you have lost belief in him, he's gunna be here at least until the end of the season, so sing his song and remind him that there are thousand of fans that still 'WANT' to believe he can do it, because wether he's good enough is not the issue the fact is he deserves it! FINAL HERE WE COME coyb! agefc
If DM has been kicked in the teeth by the board we supporters should know the truth then maybe people wouldn't be on here slagging him off and can blame the board instead. I don't know why he protects BK and the board there must be a reason why he not signed the contract someone needs to explain. Is it just me thinking that the last 2 transfer windows we have been so unfortunate to miss out on a player because the paperwork was to late going in and then another player fails a medical. It's like when we put a bid in for shearer and had no intention of getting him.
Robbie
If he's feeling the pressure at everton then he can forget about managing the likes of Utd, City, Arsenal and Chelsea not that he's good enough anyway a he clearly isn't no matter what the media lead you to believe.
Moyes won't come out and say anything bad about bk or the board, personally I reckon when he walks into a supposed 'meeting' its just Derren Brown sitting there with a pendulum makes Moyes think everything ok and sends him on his with with a lollipop for being good, his contract was more likely worth 14 million haribo, athough if we could sneak Brown into the barcelona we could get him to make messi think everton is the best club in the world and he wants to move to us and be paid 300,000 bon bons a week and their owners want to sell him to us for a nando's. just a thought :) agefc
25 Feb 2013 12:30:45
Does anyone think this formation could work"I no moyes wudnt try it but just a thought. GK howard RB hibbert lb baines cn jags cb distin cm felliani cm gibson lm pinaar rm coleman fwd jelavic fwd mirrallas. what your thoughts
In english 442 with kevin up top
Should be the team tomorrow but don't no how fit hibbert is also after rumours of a spat between jelavic and mirrales earlier in the season aim not sure Moyes wants to put them upfront together and if victor is not fit let s get
Vellios on we must really go for it tomorrow or the team really could lose confidence two big games at home now so coyb
25 Feb 2013 12:24:05
The only way it seems that Everton will get any money is to reach the CL group stages. We'd probably have to play in the qualifying round, whose second legs this season were on August 28th/29th - just a few days before the transfer window deadline of August 31st. Does anyone believe that our club could finalise transfers of the required (hopefully affordable) number and quality if players we'd need? Or worse, would the extra income from the CL group stages have to fund our debt repayment and our operating losses, which would mean no squad strengthening, which would mean no repeat of CL qualification, which would mean back into on-field decline and off-field poverty.
25 Feb 2013 12:07:27
Do you believe Everton's situation - whether you think it's good (i. e top-six, maybe higher, finish; an FA Cup run; promising young players; etc. ) or bad (i. e. falling away from CL places; no money for transfers; better players wanting to leave; etc. ) - is down to BK, or the entire board, or DM, or the players, or just a curse placed on us by the dark side?
It's a mixture, but the young players is down to DM. He just doesn't want to give them a chance anymore. 23 years or under and it's very rarely you will get an extended run in the first team.
I just can't see Barkley, Duffy, etc breaking through. I reckon Barkley might if he is lucky, but I'm afraid under Moyes, it's unlikely they will ever be given a big enough chance. Duffy is a prime example - After Jags and Distin, Johnny plays awful so by right Duffy should be the next back up, but he'll always be behind the 3, if not more.
25 Feb 2013 11:58:02
There's an article in the football pullout of The Times today that's about how "Everton's financial past is casting a shadow over their manager's future". For those who can't get to read a copy of that newspaper, here are the some of the points it makes.
1. The going into bankruptcy of NTL (the cable TV company) meant that a £30 million investment deal fell apart. Instead, BK and the board borrowed the money elsewhere and this will eventually cost the club a whopping £68 million during its 25 year repayment period.
2. The club only needed to find another £30 million for its share of the proposed waterfront 55,000 seat stadium - the rest of the cost would have been mainly funded by public and European finances - but the board failed to come up with the cash for our share.
3. Last year, the wage bill was just over £63 million - about 75% of turnover - while the club reported a loss of just over £9 million. Without higher income - primarily from a modern stadium - the club cannot afford a spending spree on players, hence just the promising player from Barnsley joining in the transfer windows. With our wage bill, we should be contending for 10th position, not 4th. On that basis, DM is earning his reported £4 million salary, as Everton have been punching above their weight.
4. The Everton board have been making too many short term financial decisions, which have finally caught up with us.
5. The rest of the original article covers the importance of the FA Cup run, DM's future and the effect of that uncertainty on the players, and how few players we have in our squad and actually used in the first team (just 22) this season compared to other clubs.
For me, the worst thing was the board failing to find the £30 million for the stadium - although I imagine arranging to pay back £68 million for a £30 million loan also took some impressive financial acumen (not!).
So, fellow posters, like someone said about socialism, "it's a great idea until you run out if other people's money", and now BK and the board have run out of other (i. e. the banks and other lenders) people's money. How the heck can the club get out of this, as it'll now surely cost hundreds of millions to get us back on the straight and narrow, let alone to being able to compete with the so-called bigger English and European clubs. Nil satis nisi optimum.
I agree that the failure to secure kings dock was disastrous for us.
It was within our grasp and we blew it big time due to our board not having the vision or business acumen to obtain investment.
why KW couldn't get Grantchester to give an interest FREE loan is beyond me. For that and many other poor decisions I have to blame KW.
He is not a hard nosed businessman.
he is a lovey and a dreamer.
we can all dream about what we want for our club but we need action and leadership and we don't have it. we don't even own finch farm!
how can that be?you can't tell me there isn't a person or group of people who wouldn't be interested in taking over our great club?
sorry but I don't believe it for one minute. KW tells us he has been looking new anew owner for years.
sorry I don't believe that.
Something will give soon. the natives are getting restless.
Even the loyal moyes supporters on here who only a few weeks ago where still signing off with IMWT are seeing the light now.
Maybe Blue Union had a point eh?
The loans bk took from his so called friends on behalf of the club had high
Interest rates attached over a long period of time theses loans are like pensions for the lender they are also on the board so can veto any sale wich means no early repayment figures being reached ensuring they get the maximum payments for as long as possible good business for the men in suits with no connection to the club also would like to know just what happened
With bell field and how we have ended up paying rent for finch farm
25 Feb 2013 11:52:29
IF we get to the final who would you like to play out of
City
United
Chelski
City cause we know how to beat them we always play well against them. Stef the blue
Don't mind, as long as the Everton team that turns up has belief that it could win whoever he opposition is.
Don't mind, as we should get European football whatever happens. I'm amazed that so many posters don't want to play in the Europa League just because of its Thursday fixtures. Anything that raises the club's profile, helps attract - and retain - better players, gives our younger players a chance to be part of a squad facing different challenges to normal Premier League matches, and generates some income (no matter how small compared to CL) would be advantageous surely?
Prefrally Millwall!
Blackburn, Millwall or Barnsley
Mike
Definitely City, Chelsea seem to have the nack of beating us even when we outplay them an united usually beat us aswell. Whereas we're one of City's bogey teams an have a great record against them
Dave Tuebrook
City, utd seem to be wanting the fa cup this year and Chelsea seem to be a bit of a bogey side (especially lampard)
Robbie
25 Feb 2013 11:33:47
Another truly disappointing weekend for us blues. I'm concerned that our loss of form is going to result in our cracking first half of the season all being in vain. Where does the finger of blame lay, Moyes? The Board for lack of investment in January? The team?
I'd always been a fan of Moyes, as he has brought stability to the club and we consistently finish top 8. let's be honest there is no chance in us winning the premier league for the foreseeable future. Champions League would be nice, as it would see a nice cash injection, but to take advantage of it we need to finish top 4 regularly, which I can't see happening. That leaves us with the FA Cup or the League Cup as realistic trophies to win. Our attempts at winning both have been slightly better the last few years, with semi final and final appearances. However in Moyes time at Goodison we have been on the whole woeful in both Cups. The fact we haven't won anything since 1995 is an embarrassment. Since Moyes has been in charge, Portsmouth, Middlesbrough, Swansea, Birmingham, Blackburn have all won trophies. A club like us should have won something.
The board. keep us reasonably stable as well. The odd bit of cash appears every so often to buy a player. They insist on us selling some of our best players every couple of seasons to balance the books. No sign of a new ground after years of discussing it. No sign of outside investment. The expression treading water would be a fair description. I just can't see how we will move forward without a new ground and/or a new investor.
The players. great start to the season, played some of the best passing football I have seen in years. Fair to say we could have scored more (with an on form Jelavic) and gave away to many soft goals. Since Christmas, they've gone off the boil. Too many lacklustre performances and some regular starters playing the worst football of their careers (Heitinga and Jelly). We don't have many options on the bench to change things. The manager doesn't seem to like giving youth a chance (Vellios, Barkley, Stones. ).
If Moyes leaves in the summer, will we be worse off with the next manager? A risk possibly worth taking.
I'll use the expression again we are treading water, and something needs to change.
Lets finish Oldham off in the cup replay, and get to that final and win it. Need something to smile about at the moment.
Sorry didn't sign my post off earlier
Cheers
Alastair
25 Feb 2013 11:30:40
We are not a one man team NO ONE is bigger than the club Coleman came back yesterday and was by far the best player out there Piennar couldn't give a crap, Jelavic has changed another one of moyes try to turn a striker into a defender plan has ruined someone AGAIN! , we want players who will play for the jersey not just slouch around and give us some money in the future we don't need has beans floating around are club, its time for a change Mr Moyse has done a great club from turning us from a near relegation team to a club who could challenge for Europe if we had that little bit of dosh, we need a change we don't have the depth to deal with the ever changing game we can't keep up! NSNO!
A True Blue Who Loves His Club.
25 Feb 2013 11:21:09
Reasons To Be Cheerful :-
Part 20
Being an Evertonian is character building stuff.
EFCWhitesocks
25 Feb 2013 09:57:46
I beleieve that we are at a crucial time for our club - we have the option of NOT offering a new contract to David Moyse
For far too long the club and the supporters have danced to Moyses merry tune, this after Everton believing in him whilst he was an upcoming manager at Preston and giving him the platform (not to mention the excessive salary)to become a "top" manager
I am grateful for all that Moyse has done in his time but 11 years with more money than all previous managers yet still no silverware? - I think its in the best interest of both parties to go there seperate ways
I think it is essential that the club turn down him rather than the other way round because the latter will have a detrimental effect on our search for a replacement
Moyse will undoubtedly be the same as Pieannar when it comes to leaving the Blues (as I suspect will be the case with Fellaini) in that they fit with Everton but would seriously struggle elsewhere
How many top flight clubs do you really see approaching Moyse whose record is worse than many lower league managers. none I suspect
Time for a new dawn at Goodison at a clearout of the overpaid underperforming "stars"
let me take this opportunity to say thankyou and farewell to the following:
Mr Moyse
Mr Round
Mr Howard
Mr Neville
Mr Heitinga
Mr Piennar
Mr Anichebe
Mr Jelavic
Mr Gauye
Mr Fellaini
Time to look forward blues.
Big Nev
I agree totally with what your saying mate, been saying this for months its a new era we need at the club agreed, time for youth to be given a chance, new manager cul of players, new players added, but to add pienaar anichebe and jelavic to the cull - no way these lads have plenty to offer the club, things aren't going there way at the minute, they ened a rest that's all, get vellios oviedo and
Ithink we need major change which I agree totally, nut these boys u have mentioned deserve a place at efc, the rest I say get rid of for the ££
I to think it may be the time to change the management team but who could we attract to replace D. M
Most of the top managers know the financial position of the club with little money available to purchase new players so in my opinion would not take up the challenge
25 Feb 2013 22:56:13
Hi lads on a lighter note.
3 nill to us tmrw. and if we get to Wembley.
All this moyes banter will diminish.
Raz.
25 Feb 2013 02:32:17
If you where the the owner of, unt, city, arsanal, or chealsea, would you know actually be considering putting your clubs future in the hands of davey moyes? The ironey, is that now he is damaged goods, he may now sign his contract, recognising that everton is as good as it is ever likley to get with the added insentive, that givern our financial circumstances and a long term contract, we would never be in a position to afford to fire him. Personly I would much prefer a new start, both in management and ownership, the world will not stop turning if moyes departs.
Great post jcw 100, moyes needs to go, it has all gone stale at everton fc, the football if you want to call it is crap, it is the same off moyes week in week out it has been going on for far 2 long now, I wanted him to go 5 years ago but he his still here, we will win nowt with him in charge time for a change, coyb, etid
24 Feb 2013 23:35:49
Isn't it amazing how the effects in tv are coming along? We have Hawk-eye (which I know isn't an effect, but you get my point) and BBC's MOTD intro has done something extraordinarily. They have made an effect where Jelavic is celebrating a goal that HE scored. In an Everton shirt. Weird!