Everton Banter Archive October 24 2015

24 Oct 2015 23:25:18
Totally abject performance against Arsenal which only for a deflective goal would probably been a heavy defeat.
What is really concerning is we can't seem to do the basics like passing to a team mate, I lost count of how many times we surrended control to the opposition without being under pressure.
Frustratingly, we don't seem to see or understand the areas that need addressing.
To set out with two right widemen, albeit Lennon playing on the left, resulted in an unbalanced attacking formation. I can understand the thinking that he puts in a shift and maybe would therefore help Galloway defensively but he was totally ineffective as an attacking force. Mirallas would have been a better starting option.
Howard should have been substituted at half time because he doesn't command his six yard area and was responsible for both goals. Despite the quality of the crosses he should have collected or punched both.
The same issues continue in terms of tactical know how surround both McCarthy and Barkley. Both need to be more disciplined, McCarthy wastes energy by chasing lost causing visible fatigue in the last twenty minutes, whilst Barkley despite being our most creative player needs to understand football is about movement and positioning in both offensive and defensive situations.
Skill on the ball is not an excuse ŷfor lack of work rate and putting in a shift for the team. He should look at Cazola, Ozil, Sanchez and Ramsey at Arsenal and the likes of Silva and Mata from the Manchester clubs.
On a positive note Funes Mori looks a good player and Roberto looked as frustrated as the supporters and I lip read an expletive during the second half.

{Ed025's Note - i hope his expletive was.."what the **** is our goalie doing?" fancy, i agree with most of that mate..

25 Oct 2015 01:36:47
Couldn't of put it better myself! Can't string a pass together! Are midfield was poor, No sevice to lukaku whatsoever! Should of dropped barkley second half for kone, seems to link up better with lukaku, putting him on for the last 5 mins is pointless. We lack creativity there's no flair at all, we always look like when we're in possession we haven't got a clue what to do with the ball an not one player seems to want or has any urgency to run in to a position to recive the ball? And we're awful at set peaces! Defending and attacking them! Are corners are just as bad, we miss Tim cahill and baines! We need a playmaker or 2? And I think Howard is on the decline. Great on his day but I think we need to start looking for a replacement. Buckland or Schmeichel maybe? . I'm not sure Joel is the answer?

{Ed003's Note - get beat by a team that just beat bayern and look really good to me, but hey ho! }

25 Oct 2015 08:28:58
Howard at fault should have come for both goals, Barry weak pass for their goal, Jagielka out of position and lost his man on both goals, Coleman can't defend and dives in like a Sunday morning defender. Everton have the players to play like the Team in the 80's and Martinez should take a leaf out of Bilics book. Bilic interview, we have the players doubling and tripling up on the opposition when we defend (Everton 80's) and giving multi-options in attack (Everton 80's) . A relatively simple tactic that has worked time and again with all Teams that have employed it. But apparently Rodgers and Martinez are the future. God help us.

25 Oct 2015 09:41:10
We did play bad but Ed003 puts things into perspective above. I wouldn't get carried away with the last 2 results.

25 Oct 2015 14:05:45
i see what dogs of war sees.

25 Oct 2015 14:50:47
We just need to drop the Barcelona wannabe tag and become Everton again!

24 Oct 2015 20:43:48
Okay it was Arsenal away so no knee jerk reaction.
Just a question, what progress has our club made since Moyes left?
We are light years away from Champions League and yet we have some quality players.
Ed, whenever Bartley plays deep we are ineffective, goalkeeper is useless and Barry is finished.
I posted a few weeks ago about lack of defensive coaching that resulted (yet again) in in ridiculous goals handed to Arsenal.
Mid table at best under present manager and coaching staff.
We need a win next week or I think patience will start to be lost with the present regime.

{Ed025's Note - for me mushy we start too slowly mate and yes thats the managers fault, in games like today and WBA we never started playing until we were 2 down, when we are at it we actually look very good and that needs addressing urgently..

24 Oct 2015 23:11:08
Well said Mushy. sums up very much what I've been saying now for the past 12 months. on the field we've made no progress since Moyes has left - in fact things are worse as we are now a mid table team whereas under Moyes we were consistently top 5/6/7.a couple more months of results like these and the natives will be getting restless. we need this American consortium to take over the club with all its dos has quickly as possible and then appoint Ancellottii as gaffer!

{Ed025's Note - wow...i just seen a pink elephant flying past my window.. :)

24 Oct 2015 23:32:14
Its all about the dream Ed!

24 Oct 2015 20:34:38
Just one thing would like to point out I like what i'm seeing from Mori, I know it's early days however looks quick good in the air and has a pass on him could be a good purchase.

24 Oct 2015 20:02:16
At least Barry is suspended. Only wish Howard was too.

24 Oct 2015 20:08:46
Think Barry's been good this season mate. Lot better than McCarthy anyway.

{Ed025's Note - im with you swan..

24 Oct 2015 20:23:15
Yep, rather have Barry there. Would like to see Besic get a run though. Would change things up maybe.

24 Oct 2015 22:10:13
could move barkley back play kone/mirallas behind lukaku very attacking clev will take his place I think.

24 Oct 2015 22:52:32
Spot on I'd say Cobyone.

24 Oct 2015 19:55:47
Jags, has been a great servant to our club, but have to say that when he was replaced by Mori, we looked far more secure at the back. Galaway's a very good prospect, but felt today was a bridge to far, and that he would benifit from a rest for a few weeks, finally it's time for Tim to return stateside, he can still make great saves, but his mistakes and misjudgments are costing us to many games.

{Ed025's Note - i agree with that JCW..when your keeper does not use his hands you are in trouble mate..

24 Oct 2015 19:46:36
What's the point of putting Kone. a on with 2 minutes left?
Another very poor game from Lukaku he makes Bret Angle look good! How we wasted 28 million on that yard dog I'll never know.
We have got 3 of the most sort after defenders in the league but can't defend a simple cross.
We have got a midfield that work really hard but create very little another reason we need a forward that can at least hold the ball up.
We have had a tough start to the season but there will be no excuses in the weeks to come starting with Sunderland next week who will come for a draw
Massive improvement needed throughout the team
Oh yeh and Howard needs to hang his gloves up!

{Ed025's Note - bit harsh on rom there S, never got much help out there mate..

24 Oct 2015 20:26:35
I agree Ed, how can Lukaku do anything when he can't get on the ball. It should be passed more often to him to get him involved. There was a good few times Barkley should of passed to him imo.

{Ed025's Note - its hard for a front man when his service is so poor NBTB..

24 Oct 2015 20:35:21
Your right edd he never got much help but he also doesn't help himself
He is too slow to get the ball under control and by that time the defender is on him, he's poor at leading the line as he gets caught offside to much and his hold up play is none existent but apart from that he's ok
Wouldn't look out of place in the north west counties!

{Ed025's Note - a bit harsh that S mate, i have been very critical in the past but he will score you goals if you give him the correct service..

24 Oct 2015 22:58:23
Totally Ed, one problem. He needs to be passed the ball to score. No point passing it about with nothing at the end of it. Give it to him early and get he's touchs, sharpness and confidence going. He'll just go stale if he doesn't get on the ball.

{Ed025's Note - i agree mate..

24 Oct 2015 19:37:50
I was say was I fan of Howard but now he has to be dropped and give JR a shout any decent keeper would of screamed their balls off to to catch both those crosses or punch away. Sorry Tim time to go.

24 Oct 2015 19:08:48
As long as Tim Howard is in goal for Everton we will win nothing. He has to be dropped instantly and if not then for sure RM is an idiot. Two crosses at perfect height for a competent keeper to claim or punch.

{Ed025's Note - I agree dero..

24 Oct 2015 19:53:09
It's obvious to all that other managers have identified Howard as the weak link in Evertons defence, so why hasn't Martinez.
Would also say how irresponsible of Barry to get a second yellow in the final minute to get sent off, especially when Jakielka is off injured.

{Ed025's Note - at leas barry gave his all keenone, there was no chance of ross being sent off was there mate?..

24 Oct 2015 18:22:38
Barkley not doing enough! Get mirallis on.

24 Oct 2015 19:25:57
Well its official now, he has finally turned us into Wigan. Shades of last season, flattering to deceive and Roberto with no clue how to change tactics. God knows what goes on, on the training ground. I predicted we would finish 11th and have seen nothing after this to change my mind.

24 Oct 2015 18:17:47
Get Mirallas on, Lennon non-existent today.

24 Oct 2015 18:23:51
Get Joel on as well please.

24 Oct 2015 18:16:09
Remember when gary neville got subbed and he new he was passed
Take note Howard.

24 Oct 2015 18:10:56
Valdes in January anyone? .

24 Oct 2015 18:21:57
I'd even take Shay Given rather than Howard at this stage. Howard has done well at Everton over all but for his own sake he should move away this season.

24 Oct 2015 18:36:40
What's Richard Wright doing these days? .

24 Oct 2015 19:32:53
Big Nev either.

24 Oct 2015 18:09:45
Game over we could be in the brown stuff here.

24 Oct 2015 18:21:42
Sods law soon as I posted this Ross scored, going to do it again in the second half Ed.

24 Oct 2015 09:54:30
Any suggestions for new Goalkeepers? I would personally play Joel now and keep him in the team no matter what and see how he does. Coming in once every few weeks for one game is not enough to judge him. Especially when he knows he can't get in the first team. Howard is the biggest problem at the club at the moment and it needs addressing. Who do people want to come in? .

24 Oct 2015 11:30:00
I agree Swan, I'd start Joel in the carling cup and after he has that game under his belt I'd start him in the premiership. Howard has been a good servant to the club but I think his best is well behind him and he is in decline.

Initially I wasn't a fan of Joel but last season when he got a run of games I was pleasantly surprised with how well he done. With every game he got better and better. He's still young for a goalkeeper and who knows could turn out to be a top keeper.

I'd give him his chance anyway and see how he gets on. If he struggles a good bit by January I'd prob be on the look out for a new keeper. In terms of who to bring in no one springs to mind. I'd definitely be looking for up and coming keepers if I was Martinez. In the long term our defence looks good. Be nice to cap it off with one or two good long term goalies who have a bright future.

24 Oct 2015 12:16:13
We are so week on corners and crosses it's untrue. We need a keeper to come for crosses and catch the ball. It's a basic requirement of keeping its like having a striker who won't jump for a headed goal.

I love Tims enthusiasm and Loyalty to our club. But the fundamentals aren't there. And the scary fact is you rarely win anything with a poor keeper which Tim was last season if we are to believe the stats.

Long winded answer to a very simple question sorry Swan. Joel to the end of the season then put a bid in for Vorm in the summer.

24 Oct 2015 14:15:55
To be honest with a run he may be okay, but at Reading he looked really shaky and is definitely not the answer stick with Howard until we can replace him.
Joel and alcaraz and kone were what RM knew when he came, they have not worked out and we are moving on from that mistake slowly.

24 Oct 2015 14:54:49
I agree with Alcaraz 100%. Never liked him but Kone. I know he's here a while but he hasn't had a chance till this season really because of injuries. I like what I see of him so far this season. I think if he stays injury free he could do well for us for a couple more seasons.

I didn't rate Joel either until last season. I get it hard to imagine anyone wouldn't be impressed with how he played last season when he got some games in a row. I thought he improved with every game. I also thought he filled out better. His first season he looked so scronie and skinny.

Seeing he improved with every game who knows how much he could actually improve if he was given a decent chance. He is young and there is a good chance he would keep improving. Howard on is on the other end imo. Declining and past his best.

A keeper I liked but time to move on imo.