Everton Banter Archive November 24 2017

24 Nov 2017 22:13:27
Villas-Boas?

24 Nov 2017 22:22:19
I’ve seen worse candidates mentioned.

24 Nov 2017 22:38:03
Good manager. If he's a possibility, he would be my pick.

25 Nov 2017 00:01:23
Seems to be leaving China at the end of the week. Moshiri's statement. Social media whispers. All this could mean nothing, but there we are!

Needs sorting. Sadly, our situation has taken all the enjoyment out of football for me.

24 Nov 2017 20:21:33
Martin O'Neil favourite!

24 Nov 2017 21:45:20
lets pray the bookies have it wrong, i think he would b worse than allardyce!,!

24 Nov 2017 21:51:34
think your taking the proverbial davieboy.

25 Nov 2017 06:48:32
When he was at Villa he did a good job, particularly bringing youngsters through. The only reason that job went wrong is that he was forced to sell all of his best players.

24 Nov 2017 18:30:12
I've been thinking this a while and I've finally decided to announce my thought to the world. Reason because I'm getting ticked off with it all. We sacked Martinez because he made "poor decisions" we then sacked Koeman because of his "bad decisions" we now aren't going to give Unsworth the job due to "bad decisions? " What if the team is just crap, plain and simple. Crap team with crap attitudes. Cant/ Wont adjust or accept decisions off the boss. Or simpler still just can't do it because they aren't good enough.

Here's a thought. When a woman can't hold a relationship down and she's had 10 of them. It's always the man's fault and then, we as men are stereotyped as bas**rd's. But how can it always be the man's fault the common denominator is the woman. The fault has to be with the woman the majority of the time it can't possibly be the mans fault all of the time, and it's the same at Everton with the players.

Another way to look at it. For arguments sake let's say we got Diego Simeone and the team still flops. Are we going to say it's Simeone's bad decision making and tactics. He's already proven he's one of the best managers in the world. Yet he'll still get the blame end up sacked and we'll find another manager and it carries on and on until finally it works for a few seasons maybe. Then the cycle continues.
I'm not sure what's going on at Everton but it's beyond ridiculous. We are a joke right now an absolute joke.

24 Nov 2017 18:54:17
Too general. Martinez couldn’t coach a defence. Koeman couldn’t find his best 11 due to probably poor recruitment last summer. Your point on Simeone is pure conjecture. There are some players that need to up their game. But they aren’t bad players they are just all off form.

Tom Davies. Showed he was good enough back end of last season
Schneiderlin. Same as Tom
Gueye. Same as Schneiderlin

Then there are the players who are new but caught up in all this negativity and poor form. New manager will have a fresh outlook and probably find his best 11 and then we will start to clime the table. FM says we’re close to getting him so a little more waiting and we will all have an appointment to get behind.

24 Nov 2017 19:13:51
Toffee which is why immediately we need a Allerdyce = discipline = Rooney do as you are told = Players in position. Look at the ridiculousness of Martina, a cast off, can't play at RB. can't defend, yet last night and the other he is played at LB. Is Garbutt really that crap (reports state otherwise) or is there a culture of senior player power now at the Club.

24 Nov 2017 19:25:34
Toffee. Common denominator between Martinez and Koeman, would not drop their supposed best players (Senior players) even when to the rest of us they were out of form. In my opinion (cannot believe I am saying this) Koeman in the end was worse because pride got in the way of professionalism, mega no 10's everyone saw it, yet square pegs had to fit into round holes.

24 Nov 2017 19:51:37
Koeman was undoubtedly the worse manager. Martinez's legacy was to leave us with a striker that we got £90 million for, Koeman on the other hand wasted the largest transfer war chest in the clubs history, signed too many similar players, persisted in pursuing Sigurdsson even though the asking price spiralled
out of control and sold our main goal scorer without having an adequate replacement in place.

24 Nov 2017 21:21:00
Not getting a striker wasn't Koemans fault. He basically asked the board on live tv many times saying we need a Striker. Personally I think Walsh is to blame. Talking of Walsh I don't know why but I can't see this Leipzig Director of football Ralf Rangnick working under Walsh. I think he's going to want full control being that he has a keen eye for talent and sound for making little clubs big. Although he doesn't have any English Premiership experience as it's all been German and Austrian. I do think he will fit in well and do a good job at Everton. German football isn't exactly soft tackling and the style is quite organised.
I think he'd be a good candidate but as I said earlier. I just can't see him working well with Walsh.

24 Nov 2017 21:59:00
Mowfee82 can you explain why both of our last managers had 2 brilliant first seasons and then bad after that?

Maybe its because they are bad. Way I see it. Martinez inherited Moyes squad and that's mainly why he had a good opening season.

Koeman sorted defense out in his first season. Then tried to build a team more less from scratch. He failed miserably. He can't build a new team and that's why he was let go.

If Simeone came we would be top 6 guaranteed.

24 Nov 2017 22:08:33
Ducksflysouth yes I agree that those are Allerdice’ strengths. I’m not adverse to him coming in if he is needed. But we’re not bottom and it’s not Christmas for a month. There are a few options still, I believe, before we need to call him in.

On your other point, they definitely had their favourites and picked them over form sometimes. This often happens when you are trying to play the players you bring into the club into form. But all it does is turn the fans against you. Then when that happens there is usually one outcome.

24 Nov 2017 17:43:58
Would you take Marouane Fellaini back? I would, it was his dad who messed his head up, he would make a good CF for short term, always gives 100%.

24 Nov 2017 18:06:59
not for me mate.

24 Nov 2017 18:13:15
In a heartbeat stig. I would play him as a deep seated No 10. That means not in front of the back 4 (liability) but just forward of them.

24 Nov 2017 18:31:52
Ducksflysouth. That 5 number 10's we have now lol.

24 Nov 2017 19:01:34
At least the Mop-top knew where the net was located.

24 Nov 2017 19:18:35
Mowfee82 LOL okay a No:9 1/ 2. Jokes aside I hope you got the drift.

24 Nov 2017 10:03:27
Blimey Ed 025, just don't know where to start on what is wrong at Everton, I have been a supporter of this Great Club since the early 60s and it hurts me to say this but this is the worst group of players I have ever seen to put on the famous Blue Jersey, it doesn't matter which group of players are picked to play they are all under achieving,16 goals in 6 matches have been conceded a truly awful statistic, from our multi million players down to the young lads there is no pace no plan no nothing, something is really not right at the Club at the mo, all the Rhino fans have now seen what he can do with this lot of players not his fault what he has inherited but he needs to get back with the under 23s, but we need a manager who can get the lads to knuckle down and grind out results, I don't think there are three worse teams in the premiership so heaven help us it's going to be a mighty hard slog to stay in this league, so my plea is Mr Moshiri do what ever it takes PLEASE to get someone in be it Big Sam Dyche or Silva or whoever but do it now before it's too late.

{Ed025's Note - it must be sorted as a matter of urgency mate..

25 Nov 2017 07:31:10
50's for me. Sorry to swing the lamp. But literally been there seen it all. Up to my neck in muck and bullets LOL. We need a reality check and fast otherwise we are in the Championship. Instead of platitudes (Mr Moshri) we need the Board to be cohesive and to start now beginning with the ground rule of who is actually running the Club, the majority share holder or Mr Kenwright because from outside it looks like someone inadvertantly is blocking progess.

24 Nov 2017 08:24:19
I cannot put into words how disgusted i was with that performance last night, in all my 41 years of supporting the club that has to be one of the worst. We need a manager, fast, who i have no idea, maybe Dyche but why would Burnley let him go, why would he come to a shambles like us? who do you Ed's think is our best choice of manager, if any!

{Ed025's Note - whoever they pick will determine the direction we are heading pat, a dyche or allardyce will be steady stuff top half finish but not pulling up any trees, a silva or tuchel type will be looking at europa as a minimum with a view to breaking into the top 4 eventually, a simeone will expect us to win things and want money to make it happen, in the position we are in i think silva would be the obvious choice mate..

24 Nov 2017 15:35:18
Ralf rangnik is on his way.

24 Nov 2017 15:03:53
So, we are apparently close to appointing a new manager.
I hope its not, but I'm wondering if it may be Ralph Rangnick.
I remember looking over his CV when Martinez was appointed and to be honest its not the best. He appears to have a good start and then generally drop off badly in his second season.
I'm wondering if the plan would be to utilise him as manager for the rest of the season and then have him replace Steve Walsh as DOF in the summer and go for Silva if he maintains his current standards. If so I could live with that. ( By the way I wish Moshiri would improve his communication skills with the fanbase rather than use Jim White ) .

24 Nov 2017 10:44:02
Why is it last season when Keane was at Burnley they struggled. This season Keane is at Everton and they are struggling and Burnley are succeeding. Not having a dig at Keane by the way because his recent performances for England in the friendly against Germany and Brazil were very good and playing alongside John Stone. So why is he okay at England and not at Everton. Is it constant changing partners or coaching?!
Last season Pickford in goal for Sunderland and relegated. This season Pickford in goal for Everton and they look like relegation material. I sit on the fence with Pickford because he has made some mistakes.
Williams and Sneiderlin must leave.
I don't think it was a good day bringing Rooney back. Paying a player £150,000 a week whose better days are behind him doesn't go down well with others on less than £100,000.
Look at the dug out during a match, where's the enthusiasm. We need a character like Conte or at least someone a bit more animated.
I'd like to know who decided Lukaku could leave without a replacement in place. Whose final decision was it to sign Pickford, Keane, klassen, martina.
No doubt Koeman will write a book one day and all will be revealed.

24 Nov 2017 11:49:20
I disagree regarding pickford yes he has made some mistakes but he has also made some fantastic saves Keane imo has just been in poor form and will come good martina should be sold klasson if he doesn't improve sold in the summer if the story about schniderlin laughing and shrugging his shoulders at a fan when asked if he cares about the club are true he should be dropped and sold in Jan Rooney is wasteful and should be benched Sandro needs time mirallas should be sold Williams should be benched we are in big trouble guys and there is no quick fix our transfer business has put us back about 3-4 years I was embarrassed by what I watched last night.

24 Nov 2017 12:03:26
I have never understood that myself Keen17. Recent memory, we hired Martinez (having just overseen Wigans relegation) this past summer as you say we bought Keen (struggling Burnley Team) , Pickford (from relegated Team) the list goes on: As to the decision making, Koeman said he wanted a DoF, Everton wanted Walsh for his so-called scouting prowess and the only way to get him (apparently) was to give him the DoF gig. Many on here including a couple of Eds (I hope I am correct) have said that Mr Walsh appointed way above his pay grade. As DoF it may be his final decision but the money men have to sign off on it.

24 Nov 2017 09:53:11
long arse post coming your way ladies n gents
what a shambles this is turning into and surely before long as wee had no word from the club it will turn even more toxic towards a board than any other managerial casualty. the club is in turmoil and a handful of players just look like they don't give one. they probably are not buying into unsworhts methods and thinking 'sod it I can do what I want with you, the new manager will be here next week' because its just that no clarification from the board is telling us hey are not trusting unsworth with the job and still hunting

however its not unsworhts fault either back him or don't end of. as for the players wow never seen just a heartless group ash Williams and Michael keane just don't play for eachother with the latter being as sloppy as any everton centre half over the past few years, do not get me started on ashley Williams who surely must be shifted on in January.
time to fight for what we need and the so called experienced pros are showing anything but fight and look happy to take the pay packet and go home

only one way were going at the minute, and it means we are in grave danger of playing championship football next year
over and out.

24 Nov 2017 09:41:13
We need Silva. Scrape through to January then we need to buy dembele from celtic.
Richarlson from Watford and a solid no nonsense cb maybe even dann pay whatever cost needed we will survive.

24 Nov 2017 10:35:17
we need mike basset 4-4-fxcjing-2.

24 Nov 2017 09:12:44
Just watched Unsworths post match press conference and to say he was dissapointed was an understatement.
Maybe the team on Sunday picks itself now after that game.

Pickford or Robles, kenny, Jags, Baines, Gana, Baningime, Lennon, Sandro, Siggy and DCL have to start but as for the rest i couldn't pick from the rest of them.
Maybe Vlasic has to start at the weekend.
Martina and Williams have to be benched and moved on in January.

24 Nov 2017 04:29:50
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Premier League Match Preview Friday 24th November 2017