Everton Banter Archive May 24 2013

24 May 2013 23:11:58
I honestly cannot understand why you would sit there and think I know, let's post on a rumours site that so and so will be the next manager my source is solid etc etc. you know nothing! Only the board know who the next manager will be and we will only find out once they announce it! Getting extremely boring now!

Mick

I see your point Mick, but you said it yourself, it's a "rumours site"

Mick, its simple mate!

dont look at the site then!

So what your saying is anybody that knows anything would not post on here hmmm. correct me if i'm wrong but did I not see ed25 post before that Tim Cahill used to read this site and a couple of other players so if they did who is to say people are not telling the truth sometimes about there sources. Stef the blue {Ed025's Note - thats true stef..

24 May 2013 23:49:48
Surely the board are not the only ones to know, I should have thought the next manager would know he's going to be our next manager mind you with the quality of communication from the club this last week you might be correct.

Why do people keep banging on about selling our best players. Felli. We are trying to progress not regress into another Wigan selling club. Wake up please.

24 May 2013 21:42:13
What about Glenn Hoddle?? He's been out the game for a while was a class manager.

The blue Don {Ed025's Note - as nutty as a squirrels fart!..

If we end up with Glen Hoddle, it'll mean we're being punished for sins in a former life. {Ed025's Note - too late mate..were evertonians.. :)

24 May 2013 20:40:12
Who is losing the will to live, Ed you must be suffering more than us mate as you have to vet every manager post, are you holding it together kidder

Degsy {Ed025's Note - hanging in there by a thread degsy mate..

My head hurts Degsy. and ed25 will end up in an asylum by the end of this saga. Stef the blue {Ed007's Note - What do you mean end up in an asylum?}

I have long since lost the will to live and now Hawy's name getting mentioned has sent me over the edge, complete bull shxt, made up by the bookies and the agents. Old Hawy should never and will never be allowed anywhere near EFC. We have too much integrity and class to associate ourselves with corrupt old spiv's. This situation is turning into a lottery and we all need to take a step back and get a grip. I don't give a fxck how long it takes to appoint someone, as long as it's the right man for the job, but there appears to be a sense of desperation that is leading people to post utter nonsense.
(Wavertree Blue)

E d007 a mad house it means.

Oh, he's already in one 007?

I heard from an impeccable source Ed025 was running the asylum. Senior sources at the club have told me but I'm not allowed to reveal at this time due to potential confidentiality breaches. Nor am I able to reveal who I am for fear of losing my job and contacts {Ed025's Note - you heard right mate..

24 May 2013 18:43:51
Hate to be the bringer of bad news but all us Evertonians know the only time we've won Trophies is with an ex Player as Manager. So by law of averages is this BK'S thoughts and why he looking within the Club. Stubbs, Weir, Ferguson or Neville would not work in my eyes, neither would Mcall or Reid, can anyone suggest anyone else of a decent age not Royle or Kendall.

Bilic is the only one I could think of.
Joe EFC

Slaven Bilic. Could do a good job and bring the best out of Jela

24 May 2013 19:34:05
Can't we pretend that VP once played for us? PLEASE!

David jones. tp. {Ed025's Note - dont forget gary megson!.. :)

Andy Gray Anyone? {Ed025's Note - no..

Mark Hug. oh god, ed's can you delete this thread. please.

Well if that's it, guess no Trophies then. another nearly job.

24 May 2013 17:19:42
Would be gutted if we appoint redknapp, club shows lack of ambition

So I take it you would rather have Stubbs or Neville then hey

I'd have Stubbs over Redknapp any day. {Ed025's Note - me too..

I'd probably prefer Louise Redknapp, but Imogen Stubbs would be fine also.
RhinoSoreAss

Harry Rednapp's got a face like someone's just waxed a womble.

24 May 2013 17:17:43
if man city start winning the title again
and man u struggle to overpower them in cup etc how long do we blues expect moyes to stay t man u, any thoughts but not 2 hous

To be honest Moyes is not our problem anymore don't care all I care about is Everton. Stef the blue

Completely agree Stef couldn't care less what Moyes does now tbh we just all need to get behind the new manager.
Joe EFC

Problem is Stef, if moyes is sacked, how long before BK wants to get him back, regardless of how the new manager is doing? This is a point I tried to make last week. How would we feel about moyes management skills if a new man came in and did better than him with basically the same squad? Even if he did move us on to the next level, would BK still bring back moyes if he's sacked from Man Utd? And let's be honest, as much as ill miss him, is he good enough for man u?

24 May 2013 15:04:14
Hi ed what line up would you realistically want to see at goodison thus season including manager.

Mine would be

Howard/forester (celtics keeper)

Coleman/ stones. Jags/Duffy big sly.
Baines

. fer/defour.
Mertens/Kennedy. Atsu/peanuts
. Honda/Barkley.
Super kev. Vossen

Thoughts?



Essy {Ed025's Note - wheres your manager essy?

Anyone who will play that team

It would be vp Martinez or billic

What's yours?

Essy {Ed025's Note - martinez or vitor..

24 May 2013 16:52:40
You can only play two keepers if your liverpool and its a cup final.

24 May 2013 13:39:41
steblue69

Not a rumour, but the relisation that nobody on here knows any truth in EFC, when the day comes to name the new don I will applaud and back him all the way.

this is getting like tv show soap
will it be Stubbs, Neville, Martinez, Etc confussed you will be.

24 May 2013 12:19:14
Does Roberto Martinez have a UEFA Pro Licence?
He didn't when he joined Wigan Athletic in 2009 - he was still working on his UEFA A Licence (the one blow Pro) - and must have got dispensation in order to become a Premier League manager atbthat time. Other managers got dispensation because they'd been coaching for many years, while others got dispensation because they were working towards the UEFA Pro Licence.
Does anyone know when he obtained his UEFA Pro Licence, as he's had four years to take it and surely can't still be working under dispensation? Without it, could he become Everton manager?
What about the other names being mentioned like Michael Laudrup and Vitor Pereira - do they have the UEFA Pro Licence? in fact, does anyone know if it is still a mandatory qualification for being head coach (manager) of teams in the top tiers of European football and/or what the dispensation rules actually are?

Since 2010, the UEFA Pro Licence has been a mandatory qualification for managing in the FA Premier League and UEFA competitions, so Roberto Martinez must have one.
For longer-serving managers, as an alternative to the Licence, back in 2003 an FA Coaching Diploma was awarded to all coaches who had at least ten years experience of being a manager or head coach or who had attended that summer's Diploma Course.
This must surely mean that all current Premier League managers have either the Licence or the Diploma.
I'm unsure what happens if the manager of a promoted team - or a newly appointed manager - doesn't have the qualification. In the past, dispensation has been granted to the likes of Gareth Southgate and Paul Ince that gave them time to complete the qualification while being Premier League managers. I doubt if similar dispensation would be granted nowadays.
Interestingly, I understand that not only David Moyes, but also Steve Round and Kevin Sheedy have a UEFA Pro Licence. I'm not sure about Alan Stubbs, David Weir, Alan Irvine, or anyone else on the Everton coaching staff. Phil Neville and Duncan Feguson are doing their badges, but not sure at what level they're currently at.

24 May 2013 11:08:26
Just seen Ossie has signed a new deal. who is actually running the club, as I would have assumed the new manager would have the rule over who gets new contracts etc. me thinks BK is going to apply for the Job. lol

The Ossie contract extension has been on the table for months he just decided to sign it now.
Joe EFC

Just because he contract was on hold, the new manager who ever it is should have say who he wants and who gets sold.
Patsyblue

24 May 2013 10:42:13
If Martinez is appointed manager ed do you reckon Mcmanamon could be his first signing? Thomas Paul {Ed025's Note - i dont know TP, he has been very average until the end of this season, and DW would want over the odds..

24 May 2013 10:22:19
it seems to be between 2 men ed which one would you like ed. gibbo {Ed025's Note - iv always been a martinez fan, but pereira does look as though he fits the bill gibbo, any of them two would suit me mate..

Ed025:

If Martinez gave a bit (a lot actually) more attention to keeping the goals against tally lower I would have been more in favour etc.

So my preference is definitely VP. {Ed025's Note - i know what you mean 247, but in my mind our defenders are experienced and know what they are doing, and they wont become a bad unit overnight, i dont expect martinez to make them worse mate..

Ed025: I agree we do have some tasty defenders however would RM plug gaps and make the appropriate changes when needed to certain matches or scenarios during any given match? all players need some kind of direction at times.

My fear is he would defend by attack only neglecting and underestimating his opponents. {Ed025's Note - you are talking about experienced international defenders here 247, if need be, they will drag midfielders back themselves to plug gaps..

Ed025:Yep what you say is true however we could quite easily find ourselves in a farcical situation when he tells them one thing and the natural instincts of our defenders et al want to do the opposite.

Would he bow to their proven 'experience' or would he get the hump and see it as undermining his authority? in which case he would probably lose the dressing room depending on results of course.

Don't forget he. like all managers has an ego and self respect. {Ed025's Note - im not trying to sell him to you 247, just my opinion mate..

Ed025: Honest mate I respect your opinion and if RM became our new manager I like all EFC loving fans would give him my blessing and support willingly!

However I do have massive reservations right at this minute. {Ed025's Note - lets be honest 247, whoever we get...there will be moaning, and god forbid we get off to a bad start!..it will be...i told you so!!..we should have got so an so!..whoever it is, i just hope we give him a bit of time, and cut him some slack, moyes will be a tough act to follow, and i just hope our supporters realise this, and show themselves to be proper followers of a proper club..

24 May 2013 09:28:49
Just a quick one pointing out some facts relating to comments that our club is a shambles and we are in such a mess.
BK had Moyes on a (very lucrative) contract that ran until the end of the season.
Moyes was offered the chance to discuss a new contract prior to the season end but stated he wanted to leave it until after the season was over.
Man Utd came in and offered Moyes an opportunity that he says he could not turn down. (and I believe that)
Everton immediately set about looking for a replacement.
BK stated that he would not rush into a decision, but would take his time now the season was over. ie there is no need to rush into a decision.

I see lots of negative comments about our board and BK. Most relate to the fact we have not rushed into appointing someone. Please be patient fellow blues. BK will appoint someone and I personally think it is better that during this closed season we take our time and get the right man.
I have heard and seen lots of rumours. Stubbs, Mark Hughes, Harry Rednapp, VP, Martinez, etc.
Whoever it is, we need to get behind him and show that Everton are one unit. One club supported through thick and thin. This is the only way we will progress as a club.
Degsypulford {Ed025's Note - i agree degsyp..

Spot on degs, far too much negativity surrounds BK. the club is not a shambles but probly in the top 3 in the country.
Uncle Ben

Kenwright is a joke the board are jokes, anyone who thinks moyes and kenwright didn't know about man u are jokes. two days to complete a 6 year deal. trust kenwright giv me one reason why just one without the bill the blue spiel,. stop defending a board who do nothing

The one constant we always have is the clubs support, but don't ask a fan base to trust a board who have constantly failed in every avenue of progress. the only person who delivered is going up the east lands road

Uncle ben, degsy tell me how u come to this conclusion, when bill took over how have we progressed, debt is higher. stadium failures. no sign of investment, continually selling best players, no proper relationships or understanding of fans feelings. finch farm is not even ares. the one opportunity we had was moyes, to me jan was the month we lost him. u look at the arsenal model and everton probably the same when kenwright took over, look at them now. miles apart. annoyes whens fans talk about Leeds and Pompey and saying that could happen to everton. it's that mindset that kenwright has us in. pundits saying that it's about time moyes moved to a bigger club, wheylan

To the person under my post, has it not crossed your mind that Moyes is a top manager and that's why they through a 6 year contract at him, should they have taken him on as a temp first? On transfer deadline day do clubs not sign people in about an hour or two.

Dont think the club is in bad shape at all. I agree the board have under performed regarding Moyes contract and that is a mistake I'm sure they already recognise. Not sure what they could have done though, he didn't sign a new contract and they were hardly gunna sack him. But the rest of the club a shambles? Hardly, we just finished 6th, our squad is the best it's been for decades, certainly the most valuable. Any player who leaves goes for a whopper of a transfer fee. Our revenue is about to go up by at least £10m a year but our costs are still what they are. Whoever the new manager is, I know all blues will back him 100% on the match day at Goodison, just like they gave Moyes an amazing send off. It's a nervy time, and that's when the anti BK brigade come out to play. They go quiet when things are going well, but they jump on any negative news when it arrives.  

Hank {Ed025's Note - i agree with all that hank..

BK is as useless as the rest of the board. Won't let go of the club until they've milked it dry!

Nothing but a cash cow. Blue Bill. pull the other one.

Will never trust him. {Ed025's Note - your entitled to your opinion mate, for me he is a genuine guy and true supporter..

Calling everton a cash cow is arguable the funniest thing I've seen on here. Seriously? A cash cow? Can you add up mate? Or more importantly, subtract? Because our accounts require a lot of subtraction. The club has actually bled BK dry. To suggest he profits out of everton is utterly ridiculous. Ofcourse he has made mistakes, but he is no way the evil presence some people on here are suggesting. Fortunately they are a minority

How the hell some blues think Bill has done a good job is beyond me the majority of failures have been listed above, we lose 5m a year even though we punch above our weight what happens if we finish were we should be or god forbid lower, less money from league positions, tv money and gate receipts. he's at least tripled the debt, sold off all assets, banned AGMS which the shareholders are now making a stand (about time). If he wasnt a Everton fan we would of hounded him out years ago. PADDOCKBLUE

Revenue gone up 10 percent, that's tv money and without it we'd be lost. Facts are facts we are miles behind clubs who we should be competing with,. r commercial brand and model is not adequate for a club of everton size. has for kenwright been genuine. and taking into account fans feelings. Kirkby vote more or less blanked half of that vote, kings dock needed to step aside and let gregg finance evertons side of project. what happened his vanity said no earl was brought in. catastrophic disasters but he has the clubs interests at heart complete nonsense,.

We aren't miles behind clubs, we are about 3 wins away from them actually. And TV money has indeed gone up so what is the point in droning on about what we would do without it? If my dad hadnt bonked my mum, I wuldnt be here. All this chat I don't see one figure. What's our actual debt figure? How does this compare to other clubs? What was it before BK arrived? What would we have done had we not taken out the loans when we did? What club is Gregg at now and how successful have they been? Or is he not even involved in a club? What is our international income? How is it split up and what countries are we most popular in? You don't have a clue about our 'international model'. I can barely understand what you write so to think you know about the running of a football club is just silly.

24 May 2013 16:11:52
hate the way people are comparing us to arsenal as a model for the time when bill came into the club. Arsenal not only are based in London, so revenue and income are both going to be higher, that plus the attraction of London over everton (liverpool as a city) for players to play for the club is overwhelming. The arsenal board have backed wenger since he took over and had a stable model after winning the league with quality purchases made by Wenger. Anybody remember the purchases he made. Overmars, Viera, Petit, Henry, Bergkamp, Pires all bought for miniscule fees, all recouped huge transfer fees off the back of them, that is why they are now genuine champions league contenders season upon season, plus the board of arsenal have, since arsenal won the league had a stringent model for purchasing players, which ultimately has financed arsenals move to the emirates. that plus they have had little debt to pay so any income for the club has been set aside to purchase the emirates. Ask any arsenal fan since they won the league are they happy with the money spent by the club on transfer fees, they will answer no as they have not re spent all the money gained from transfers out of the club, but that has sustained the growth and economical stability of the club for years to come.

Moyes to Manchester United on the cards all season. moyes should have done the right thing, signed a year rolling contract. least we would have been entitled to some sort of compensation.

24 May 2013 07:57:08
We will not get pereira. just said on radio city were looking to open talks with martinez. I like a lot of people beleived all the rumours on here vp was a done deal. will never beleive them again until I see a manager or player holding the blue shirt up.

Martinez is a winner mate stop being downbeat. Thomas Paul

Remember bill said he'd listen to fans. let's c if it's his usual spiel, or for once comes good seems everyone wants periera

I don't suppose radio city mentioned tonight winning lottery ticket numbers did they? They now as much about who the new manager will be as we do! Nothing!

SA90

Well said SA90. The only source I'll take notice of is the Everton FC website. Until then, all the rest haven't got a clue, it's a different name every day.

23 May 2013 23:46:21
Numerous sources tonight saying Pereira will decide his future on Monday but it's looking likely he will decide to leave Porto, that opens the door for EFC to capitalise. We should know by Tuesday anyway.

23 May 2013 22:55:45
Growling at moment over the shambles that run this club. I don't know any supporter who has been 'consulted' over new appointment (if you know of anyone please post!)? Okay if the mountain not come to Mohammed. going to ring Everton FC (0871 663 1878) and very politely without foul and abusive language please (the lass will only be on £6. 20 an hour)! ask could I speak to Mr, Kenright and register my vote. You can all laugh but if enough of us did it it might show this club people have had enough. 'Sorry will let you plebs know when I decide' is not good enough- he knew Moyes was off VP in place 48 later!
Bloody hell Phil Neville tellin press I want the job and I deserve it?. A John Moores Taxi for you lad!

A squashed Mushroom

Mushy

24 May 2013 11:44:34
why do we have to be 'consulted'? BK knows how to use a computer I am sure and look on the various forums/message boards/twitter to see exactly who we want and don't want