Everton Banter Archive April 24 2018

24 Apr 2018 23:14:48
Quite a few posters on here are going on about Big sam and his negative style of football - its about time we started to blame the bang average players the club has purchased over the past year at stupid money - name a player in our current squad who would get a game in one of the top six sides - I could probably name maybe 2 players.

He has done a job with players at his disposal - the 2 players he has purchased ( walcott and Tosun ) have done quite well - the rest accept maybe Coleman and sigs are crap. koeman was the downfall of this club 200million plus on this lot of players is quite frankly embarassing.

25 Apr 2018 00:57:14
That’s quite a sweeping. Statement!
Pickford is crap? He would get in a top six side
Gueye is crap? I think he would get in a top six side
I think the team needs an overhaul and yes Walcott and Tosun have been good additions but right now we are not near a top six side we need to build towards that and personally I don’t feel Large Samuel is the right man to take us there.

25 Apr 2018 07:03:14
so it's nothing to do with Sam's negative tactics playing 2 def mids in every game bring a def on for an attacker when 1-1 away to Swansea playing 10 men behind the ball every game nope that's right it's the players fault behave yourself yes the players need to up their game but it starts with the manager and he isn't helping them out when it comes trying to play any sort of attacking game.

25 Apr 2018 07:14:18
A point well made Bluey,
unfortunately I think Sam is often only interested holding on for the point too, his point well made as well!
often not pushing for that extra 2 points if we win!

25 Apr 2018 08:19:24
Southern Toffee Sam had a massive opportunity when he got the job to show he can manage a big club and help them try to bridge the gap on the top 6 but he has shown he just isn't good enough with his tactics of I will take a draw in every game and if we win that's a added bonus if we lose well I will blame the players one thing Evertonions expect is 110% effort and that has been lacking all season not just under Sam but he was brought in to get this group of talented players playing (and they are talented Klasson Ajax cap sandro Barcelona wanted him Keane Burnley cap sigs Swansea cap Rooney utd cap) now nobody can say these are bad players they were the wrong players to buy 3 in the same position but still all good players add vlasic lookman tosun Walcott Davies jags Coleman Baines pickford gueye and I'm sorry but these are all good players and it was down to Sam and his 30 staffs job to work out how to get the best out of them but he has picked basically the same side as before he got the job while alienating some of the players ie Klasson vlasic Lookman and prob some others who escape me at the min the sooner this season finishes the better and then we can go again I hope anyway.

25 Apr 2018 10:28:18
When Allardyce was appointed thos who opposed the appointment did so on the basisthat he is nothing more than Fireman Sam, a man who rescues struggling sides from situations where the end justifies the means.
His proponents argued that the reputation was unjustified. He had it only because circumstance had thrust him into situations where expediency was all. They argued that now that he was manager of a club with more resource we would see more of the Sam that was hinted at by the like of Jay Jay Okocha and Yuri Djorkaeff.
Relegation having been unlikely for some time and completely off the cards for the last three games then surely it is time for us to catch a glimpse of Sam, Sam the free flowing football man. Thus far he has been elusive.

25 Apr 2018 11:17:04
SA talks about being more free-flowing next season but hasn't done anything in his past career or this season to prove to me as a fan that he is capable of doing this. I simply think that this os the wrong type of job for him. To me it feels like he is saying what he thinks people want to hear. He hasn't done bad, he's done what was expected this season and now has hit the ceiling. If he gets another season I would be extremely worried about the decision makig abilities of the board. Extremely worried.

25 Apr 2018 14:08:56
He is what he is. We all knew before he came he would 100% put safe distance between us and the drop.
We mostly all knew that he would play negative football.

Most of us knew his transfer dealings were SUSPECT and he'd likely leave us with a infrastructure lacking in quality and togetherness.

Some of us knew that RK had a good chance to turn it around. Some of us knew it was a great opportunity to get rid of a man who wasn't singing the Everton song loud enough. (Biggest mistake we've made this season)

Now we start in the summer even further away from our goals. With time and money wasted and a style that isn't working. It's time for change. Not just a new boss but a blueprint of what we have to do and how we are going to do it. Then a new boss who is hired with the correct vision and skills to achieve all of that.

Yes I can see the irony of us lot ousting managers. Doesn't make us look like a very patient lot. However if the right boss took charge and had a wobbly few months, so long as the effort and direction and clear vision was there to see, then we must support. Let's be careful not to get a reputation.

It's been a waste of 12 months but I hope these disappointing times will un earth many valuable lessons for our future.

25 Apr 2018 14:17:44
This is the crux of it for Allardyce. The underlying numbers during his time at Everton are not so encouraging. They offer plenty of evidence as to why belief in his methods continues to elude him despite winning the majority of his matches at Goodison Park.

While Everton dominated the ball during the first half against Newcastle, Theo Walcott's winning goal shortly after the interval was their only shot on target during the match, and it was the team's second-half retreat that was more typical of Allardyce's time in charge.
Everton are a bottom-half team in terms of passes and possession since his appointment. Only Swansea have attempted fewer shots. Only Swansea have had fewer shots on target. Everton are also in the bottom two for chances created and dribbles attempted under Allardyce.
That is fact, not make believe which is were SA lives.
Stats don't lie, another season with him at the helm and his so called savior reputation goes out the window as we are not an attractive proposition for attack minded players which is what we need to win games and compete.

25 Apr 2018 18:35:29
I have seen everyone of these players play great attacking football over the past few years. I haven't seen any of Sam's teams play great attacking football for over 12 years.
That in itself paints a picture.

26 Apr 2018 00:36:48
On a plus side at least the only controversy so far is the questionnaire and he hasn’t been caught in any dodgy dealings or backhanders! . YET! 😂😂.

24 Apr 2018 22:34:56
Heard a rumour a couple of weeks ago from a mate who's a surveyor in Manchester that Van Gaal is buying a penthouse and is nailed on for our manager next season. At the time I just laughed it off, but now I've just seen a report linking him and Brands together and stating bookies have slashed the odds!
I hope this can't be true and it's just purely coincidental.

26 Apr 2018 12:01:48
just seen a quote from lvg today
he was asked about getting into management again his response was 'I already have an offer I couldn't refuse'

24 Apr 2018 19:49:47
according to football insider Sam has been called to London for a meeting with Moshiri to discuss his future I'm on my knees now praying that he hands him his p45.

24 Apr 2018 19:02:57
according to football insider Sam has been called to London for a meeting with Moshiri to discuss his future I'm on my knees now praying that he hands him his p45.

24 Apr 2018 19:15:44
Hi Bluey I hope that's true mate, surely he has done the job he was brought in for, and its now time before the season ends to get someone in so the players and fans will know who is going to be in the hot seat before the start of next season like Fonesca, i am sure Mr Moshiri will already have a new manager lined up, fingers x.

24 Apr 2018 19:18:17
Can't see it being about him losing his job. If anything it is more likely to be about Walsh/ Brands.
Sam's revue will have to be after the final game.

24 Apr 2018 22:28:04
we can all pray he is shown the door it's not only him grating me at me the min but the media with the love fest for him is embarrassing.

24 Apr 2018 17:43:33
Seeing a lot of comments about how people would rather see a boring one nil win than an attacking one nil loss.
I really don't get this, have Man C not just shown us all that you can play attacking exciting football and still win games.
This after all is supposed to be an entertainment buisness.
SA had the perfect opportunity last night to play an attacking formation, and dump the two holding players. However he stuck to what he knows, and would probably have been happy with a draw.
If he is here next season then expect more of the same, because he won't change.

24 Apr 2018 18:14:16
I said on Twitter last night Newcastle fans were the best I have seen at goodison this season but their team was the worst I have seen it was like watching us 10 men behind the ball hoping a long punt or a set piece comes off and that's why we beat them Sam plays the same team as he always does and again 36500 homes fans were bored stiff.

24 Apr 2018 19:24:36
The problem with playing defensively for the majority of the match, a bit like Burnley. It is a very small margin between winning, drawing and losing a game. Burnley have shown that when things are going your way they accumulate points but they are also prone to prolonged bad spells when things aren't.
We were similar under moyes where we drew far too many games. If you have a go you're much more likely to go on a good winning run home and away. Something I can't remember us doing for many a year.

24 Apr 2018 21:01:47
I have no idea where this thought that you can only win if you play defensively. To think this you must be an absolute idiot!

Take a look at the top 6 or 7 teams in every league in the world and 99% will be teams that go out to play football and score goals. Take a look at the bottom and a massive majority will be your Stokes, WBA and the like.

With Sam's style of play we will always be below the top six but with a manager looking to play football and go for the win we may just challenge the top six.

24 Apr 2018 21:28:17
BJU you have not grasped the thread of the posts we are not saying you can only win if you play defensively but we would rather win than loose. If you ask any of us if we can win playing great football we would take that over boring football any day of the week we just want to see a winning team.

25 Apr 2018 06:08:34
SA90 I think it is you that is misunderstanding if you think for one minute we will be a top 6 club the way Big Sam plays.
We will be at best mid table until all our best players have left or retired and then we will become another Sunderland as we will not be able to attract good replacements, even with Moshiri's millions as who, apart from mercenaries, will want to be associated with playing like we have
Big Sam has squeezed the enthusiasm/ life out of the majority of the fans and the team/ club will soon follow.

25 Apr 2018 10:28:00
bw2412 still not grasped the point. I have never stated we would be a top 6 side the way SA plays. I am not defending SA in any shape or form what I am saying is for me results are more important than the style of play his methods have bought reasonable results and that's more important than defensive tactics crap media statements and belligerent attitude towards any criticism. If you are still unsure I don't particularly like SA being our manager I don't really like the way we are playing football under his stewards ship I am not a great fan to say the least of his interactions with the media. However, if he continues to win or draw and not loose fixtures, which meant we won trophies achieved a CL place I would be okay to have him in charge.

25 Apr 2018 12:08:00
SA90
you had me until your last sentence 'which meant we won trophies achieved a CL place.
Even you in the start of your post said 'I never said we would be a top 6 side the way he plays'
As a club we are at a crossroads. Sam is going to go into a meeting with Farhad and say one year contract not enough and I need an extension to give clarity to everyone. If we give him what he wants we are resigned to mid table, dire football, be on the decline for a couple of more years.
If we let him see out his current contract what guarantee do we have that any players he buys are players any new manager will want, any players we sell are players a new manager would want to lose.
Sam, to my mind has shown no inclination to develop the club, motivate the players or do anything other than stroke his ego and elevate his own opinion of himself.
I am convinced he doesn't want to stay, he wants his payoff and will then go on holiday until the next club panics and requires his services.
Keeping him on would be one of the biggest mistakes we could make.

24 Apr 2018 14:56:58
Now this is going to be a unpopular post!

If we look at the premier league since SA took over, points wise, we would be 6th in the league!

I am not his biggest fan but stats don't lie. Football is rubbish but if you look at the stats, its working.

So here is the big questions: do the facts matter or do we just want pretty football?

That by the way is not me being arsey just didn't know a better way to put the question.

24 Apr 2018 15:18:23
6th so can I ask do the teams around us play terrible football the answer is no you can make any stat look good as we are near the bottom for chances created goals scored possession ECT we deserve a manager who understands the club and the history when that manager comes in I'm hoping he will be given the time to get us challenging the top 6.

24 Apr 2018 15:21:24
Good point. Remember the chant '1 nil to the Arsenal'. Remember our team of the 80's hard working, sometimes doubling up in the tackle. Successful sides the two of them, yet many games ended 1-0, we didn't hear much criticism then. Sam has done the job asked of him, his selfrighteous attitude is galling and his claiming of the West Ham win for his own is deplorable. The main question is however, does Mr Moshri believe that Sam is the man to take us forward and having sent the survey out, what was the point if he ignores the results.

24 Apr 2018 16:30:14
Just think where we would have been if someone had turned up who got us creating chances.
both Chelsea and Arsenal would have been catchable this season had we
attacked some of the teams we just sat back against.

24 Apr 2018 16:52:05
If you want to go with stats, one shot on goal last night, if anyone is a dab hand at stats, I would love someone to put up stats of shots on goal since Sam took over, possession and compare it to any single club in the premiership, my guessing is, we would be in the bottom three, possession wise against our neighbours in the Anfield Derby and City at Goodison are disgusting, 1 all against Swansea and holding out for a draw putting a defender on than go for it.

Not the manager I want to see in charge next season, if he was happy with our style of play last night.

24 Apr 2018 17:47:11
Football has changed since then ducksflysouth. The type of football Allardyce is offering up doesn't warrant a place in the 21st century. It's not sustainable and is quite possibly the easiest brand of football for an opposing team to play against. Without being condescending, I often think to myself whether the people contempt with Allardyce's 'football' have ever even kicked a ball in their life.

24 Apr 2018 17:37:42
We've beaten the teams that, realistically and no disrespect to them, we are expected to beat. For some, that might be fine, but to show any ambition as a club, it isn't what we need right now. We need to push on further, think it's clear that isn't with Allardyce at the helm.

24 Apr 2018 17:41:20
Would love to see them stats to bignev. They will be dreadful!

AM not support SA here but just thought it was a good stat to share.

24 Apr 2018 18:16:37
Accompanying the fact that form wise we would be 6th since he took over (just about as we've played more than the other teams) was the fact that over the same period, we were 19th in total shots, shots on target and chances created.

24 Apr 2018 18:35:33
I have hit on this before, if Sam can rub fans up the wrong way, play football that is dire, but at the same time, get a win here or there, he has done enough to warrant not being sacked without a payoff.

If Sam played various players and we dominated and ran out 2 nil winners, that would make a stronger case to keep him next season.

So again we know Sam is money motivated, my honest opinion is he is deliberately not going all guns blazing, in order to get the golden handshake when the season is over, and still get the same amount if he was stood on the touch line, what he can then do is sit back, wait for a struggling team next season, and get another bumper contract with them, on top of the pay off from Everton.

24 Apr 2018 22:18:57
I really don't think people on here can see the state the team was in when Sam came in, we were in free fall, we didn't have a team of brilliance, it's not a matter of saying right boys let's start passing the ball around because we are good at that, leave your selves wide open for the counter attack because are defensive record is fantastic, ever part of our team when Sam came in was as poor as it ever has been, what can't people see that, keoman tried playing football, how many goals did we concede, unsy tried and how many goals did he conceded, so Sam come in tries to play pretty football and what do you think was going to happen, he has looked at the weaknesses, and tried to plug the holes be more compact, yes it's crap football, yes I don't want us to play like that, but we are now safe up to 8th, stop wineing about how he done, be greatfull he has, do you think WBA and Southampton would swap there style for premiership safety, yes the bloody would,

24 Apr 2018 13:29:02
is it the managers fault?
will the next manager do any better?
moyes had time to build a good solid team
new manager don't get the time to do this, we want success right away.
i know let's buy loads of players in one season, just to feel the space of the players that are not performing or in the new managers plans, that's another 1-2 seasons behind.
everton not be a top 6 side until they give a manager at least 3-4 seasons to build a good solid side, recruiting 2or3 players each transfer windows and giving those players game time to fit in.

24 Apr 2018 14:14:22
I think that we all agree Dazza. It should not be Allardyce however!

24 Apr 2018 10:53:22
After watching last night's game I do feel sorry for the fans that pay money to go and watch that type of football week in and week out due to work I can't get to many games but last night proved again that we can't go on the way we are. Sam as always took the praise for the win but criticized the players for the sloppy passes. I think like most fans I would have liked to see a change in the squad there's no creativity on the bench, Tom came on and lost the ball every time he touched it and DCL didn't get on the ball much. Bolasie for me worse player on the pitch just don't know what he gives us.
Moving forward we will have to wait till the end of the season and just hope that the powers that be make the right decisions, again we are not not going to please all our supporters ( unless Sam goes ) , fingers crossed they saw enough of last night to know we need changes as for the fans I don't think I've seen Goodison so quiet which I think tells a bigger story than if we are hostile onwards and upwards blues roll on next season.

24 Apr 2018 12:04:16
Good shout mate that summed it up, fingers x he will go.

24 Apr 2018 12:48:56
good summary, i think Rooney was poor again, i was there, the atmosphere again was rubbish, maybe that's due to Allardyce situation, thought Jags and Keane did well enough and Schneiderlin was getting back to his best before he got injured, let's hope the club make a statement soon on whether or not we have a new boos for nxt season.

24 Apr 2018 13:22:31
To be fair (expanding on a comment I made earlier) when Bolasie switched to the right and Walcott to the left the attack threat improved and Bolasie improved. Walcotts roaming role is to be welcomed. I don't hold with those saying Rooney did nothing either, he sat deeper in the 10 role, made some good passes and put his foot in. Schneiderlin to is a totally different player than 4 games ago, it pains me to say it but Allardyce is right he is improving game by game, a little late some would say and they are right but credit to the bloke, to take all that flak from his own supporters and still come back shows his strong character. I am one of those that does now say, let Sam go but at the back of my mind he may just turn a few fans round.

24 Apr 2018 17:49:43
Arrrgh! The football (if you can call it that) was bloody awful. In fact it was so bad I had a conversation with the missus and stopped watching it. I never talk to my missus, that’s how bad it was. And don’t kid yourself in thinking it will change if he stays. Because it won’t.

24 Apr 2018 10:10:46
like him or loathe him Big Sam has done the job which was required off him - keep us afloat in the premier league. I would be prepared to let him see out his contract and see exactly what he does in preseason - then if things go pear shape at the start of next season then get rid,

Over the years he has bought some great players ( and some donkeys ) as all managers do but at least give the man a chance - since he has taken over we are have taken 30 points - more than Arsenal and 4 behind Chelsea - not bad considering the football we have played.

I will be in the minority on this suggestion but hey this is what football forums are about - opinions.

24 Apr 2018 10:59:59
I think the problem is if he buys and sells players and as you say it goes pear shaped who do you get to replace him as its his team, it's a catch 22 isn't it Sam could stay and lose the first 5 games and we will be baying for blood he could win the first 5 games and be a hero ish.
But we could get a new manager and the same could happen atm I think it's the sort of football we are playing that's getting fans down yes he has more points since he took over than Wenger and 4 behind Conte but look at the other stats we are pretty much bottom of the list for passing, shots, possession etc we need to find our identity again we need to draw a line under this season and see where we go from here.

24 Apr 2018 11:11:57
Joking aren't ya. If he stays then I'd expect a few of our most promising players wanting to leave. Klaassen will be gone without any hope of been given a chance, Lookman will be gone and I'd expect Vlasic would be loaned out or sold. Even last night, Martina on bench ahead of Kenny. Only thing I can think of is Kenny is injured to be left out ahead of Martina. We are safe yet the football is atrocious to watch.

24 Apr 2018 11:24:58
We as a club always seem to have promising players but what eventually happens to them - sold on / loaned out - we never seem to be able to keep a good youngster and develop them anyway.

yes the football is bad but not everyteam is going to be silky smooth like city or dare I say it the pool - points is what matters in this game and we may be bottom for shots, possesion, teacles etc but as long as the points are on the board that's what matters

we have had entertaining managers before ( martinez springs to mind ) - attractive attacking football - defence garbage - what happened to him, he was virtually hounded out of the club.

24 Apr 2018 12:01:21
Martinez mad a very valid point about us as supporters we won't give any manager time to build anything unless we get silver ware. He has hit the nail on the head. Our last four managers, including Unsworth, highlight the fact that we like to see good football but it has to be winning. We loved both Martinez and Koeman while they were winning but when the results didn't go our way it was down to their tactics poor team selection style of play etc etc. With Unsworth he had not really had time to do anything but because he didn't have instant success he was to inexperienced not good enough tactics not right etc etc. SA the complete opposite he gets reasonable results but because his tactics are boring and the way we play is pretty dull he gets pilloried for it. I personally would be happy winning 1-0 every match with dire football than loose 3-4 and watch a fantastic game of loosing football. I am pretty sure though others would not be happy at all.

24 Apr 2018 12:47:02
He's had his chance - an undeserved one
He kept us up although I think Unsworth, even Pardew could have done the same. (we weren't another West Brom)
Let's thank him. pay him off and move on.

24 Apr 2018 13:31:15
Always said I would take 1-0 wins every time. bw2412 Pardew kept us up, are you on the Rasta Woodbines? What Allardyce needs to do is shut up and get on with it, it is opening his gob that winds me up and claiming credit for the West Ham game a good case in point. If he winds his neck in and let the results speak, we may see a change in supporter attitude.

24 Apr 2018 07:03:24
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23 Apr 2018 23:02:19
Just listened to Roberto Martinez on Sky Sports tonight. The bloke spoke lucidly and with an awful lot of sense and knowledge of the game. This must be how he comes across in interviews and answers the question 'how the heck does he get jobs'. My question is, why the heck couldn't he have spoken like that at Everton and explained himself as coherently, maybe he would still be here if he had.