Everton Banter Archive May 23 2018

 

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23 May 2018 20:36:57
Hey Guys,

Why are people bleating on about West Ham appointing Pellegrini? If we had appointed him we would have no ambition, appointing an old manager, should have gone for Wenger. Let's see how we do with Silva/ Brands before passing judgement. Rant over.

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{Ed025's Note - im with you duaney..

23 May 2018 21:22:22
I was worried when Pellegrini was linked with us after he left City. I know these days you're not supposed to be ageist, but appointing football managers in their sixties is definitely not for me.

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23 May 2018 21:36:15
If anyone has listened to Brands today he explains why we didn't get a Pelligrini.

Silva and that type of manager is what we need to fit in with what the new vision is with the club.

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24 May 2018 05:19:07
Pellegrini was never on my wish list so don't understand the 'hysteria' (probably too strong a word) about not getting him

I'm going to let Brands and his colleagues decide and support them and the appointee 100%.

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24 May 2018 06:54:27
I think Pellegrini will do well at West Ham. But that still is only 10th or 11th. There’s just not enough talent there to be any better. And they are usually rubbish at recruitment. The only player they had that was any good in recent years under Gold and Sullivan was Payet. And everyone knows how that turned out.

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24 May 2018 07:02:07
I'm in total agreement I'm liking what I'm hearing from Brands. A young ambitious manager will do for me. Silva or Howe.

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24 May 2018 10:57:01
and at 7 million a year Jesus that's a lot of money for Pellegrini imo good appointment for West Ham but not at that wage and from what iron mike said on the West ham page him and his back room staff are coming out this year's budget so that's a lot of money to lose.

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24 May 2018 12:30:15
That is very ageist King Pin. You saying a 189 year old couldn't manage us 🤣.

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24 May 2018 12:48:25
I am not saying that at all, and he/ she would do better than Koeman and big Sam haha. Just pointing out, like many others have, that the board will never be able to please everybody!

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23 May 2018 20:31:35
The only negative comments I've really come across about Silva are on here, his relegation seams the single minded view of him, I would be happy as he appears driven and passionate about his work, with brands input and influence we should start the long road to reastablishing ourselves, just don't expect to much too soon.

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{Ed025's Note - yes patience is the key turf..

24 May 2018 00:24:55
When he took over hull, he nearly kept them up and played some real good football. Silva is a very good up and coming manager. He has won trophies in other leagues but others say " they are Mickey mouse leagues" beat arsenal in champs league while at olimpiakos, won league in Greece also and did it well before season had finished, first team in Greece to wrap up title so early. Beat man Utd and arsenal while hull boss. Put it this way, our most successful manager in present times was Martinez, he won trophy with Wigan before coming to us, Moyes, koeman and allardyce have won nowt in there managerial careers. I think with better players around him we will do very well.

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24 May 2018 10:55:01
I don't think anyone is saying Silva's trophies are from mickey mouse leagues. But look at his record in the premiership. As you said he nearly kept Hull up and played good football while doing it but he didn't. That Hull team was on a par to Bournemouth when they first came into the PL and no different to Brighton and Huddersfield, yet all three are in still in the PL. I look at his record with a bit more perspective, if you get to manage a top team within a league then there is a much better chance that you will win a trophy or a title in that league. Olympiacos have won the Greek league 15 times since 2000 so Silva winning the league isn't really much of a surprise, they have also won the Greek cup 7 times and been runner up 4 in the same time period so again its not unlikely that Silva would win the Greek cup during him tenure. Again with Sporting they are one of the top 3 sides in the league so winning is not a totally unexpected achievement. I am also a little concerned about his temperament I find it strange that he was sacked for not wearing an official suit and what happened at Watford once we spoke to him about taking over earlier in the season. I am however comfortable with Brands taking the lead with the recruitment of our next manager. If he picks Silva then I will support the decision and won't be jumping on the band wagon to get rid at the first sign of difficulty.

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24 May 2018 18:56:19
He came into Hull when confidence was low, none of his own players, no time to have a preseason and in a new league. He learnt very quick in my opinion.

Sporting hasdn't won a trophy in 6 years until Silva and they wanted to appoint someone's else and sacked him with a flimsy excuse.

At Watford it was probably our fault that caused a downturn in results. As for winning the league in record time winning the most consecutive games in the leagues history it was hardly a bad job.

I hope you do support him because usually when a couple of results go against the manager we start saying i told you so instead of being a proper supporter. We need everyone pulling together otherwise this vicious circle will continue.

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23 May 2018 19:50:04
Noticed a few people saying Oumar should be one of those included in the up-coming clearout. I know he's a bit like a headless chicken at times but more often than not he lifts the spirit of the team when he comes off the bench because of his enthusiasm, and he has scored some vital goals. I think with the right coaching he could be a decent player for us. There are several others I'd let go before him.

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{Ed025's Note - as an impact sub he does tend to make things happen bigH, i dont see him in a side that is apparently going places though mate but i do wish the lad all the best..

23 May 2018 19:55:03
But if we get rid of him and Rooney then we need to replace 20 goals.

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{Ed025's Note - your right tommy but thats what brands has been hired to do, you make it sound like we will be playing with 9 men though mate, who.s to say that if them 2 were replaced by calvert lewin and davy klassen that they would have not got more than 20?...just a alternative view..

23 May 2018 20:07:08
I’m afraid he’s just not good enough. We want to be a big club let’s start acting like it, we can’t accommodate average players just because they have enthusiasm. Same goes with all the players whose legs have gone, I. e. Rooney, Baines, Jags etc. There’s no room for sentiment in football. The club really needs to kick on now because we’re in danger of being left behind the rate at which other clubs are improving.

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{Ed025's Note - harsh but true mate..

23 May 2018 20:17:05
I agree about future teams Ed in that we'd want better than him, but let's not get carried away just yet. That's going to take time. He's worth keeping around for now as a back up imo.

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{Ed025's Note - silva seemed to like him when he was at hull mate so you never know..

23 May 2018 20:31:05
I think Oumar deserves a shot. He brings something different to the team and he's improved massively. He was the best player on the pitch against Wham.

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23 May 2018 21:36:32
To be fair to Niasse, I’m pretty sure he’s got a far better goals per minute ratio than DCL. Granted he runs around manically like a five year old chasing the football in a playground, but his stats aren’t the worst.

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23 May 2018 23:58:48
8 league goals in 10 starts, hard to argue with that.

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24 May 2018 05:21:41
Sorry, but too often moves break down when the ball gets to him


Great finish against West Ham but I just feel we could do better


wish him all the best though.

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24 May 2018 07:08:24
Anyone seen the 'Sun' article about squad unrest, apparently caused by Niasse?
Would put some doubts on his right to stay if true - emphasis IF TRUE.

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{Ed025's Note - if true is the main thing bw, i would not believe one thing written in that scum bag rag mate..

24 May 2018 09:06:50
bw2412. Don't wish to align you with the Scum but that isn't the truth is it? The unrest is caused apparently by Davis and Niasse. Sounds like a personality and ego clash to me. If they can't sort it out and it affecting the Squad then they need to go.

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24 May 2018 09:09:35
Added to my above. Brands from all the reports seems to be a no-nonsense go getter that has already bought into the Club. I can see his conversation with troublemakers/ egoists going something like this. 'We are building for the future here, if you cannot buy into that, then off you go'.

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24 May 2018 10:39:46
The article I read DFS said that other members of the squad, not just Davies, were unhappy with Niasse and voicing discontentment.
I agree with you that, if any of it is true, whoever are the sources need to sorted out and moved out if it can't be rectified
From the short time he has been there I have faith that Brands will sort it - the same way he will be influential in deciding the new manager.

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24 May 2018 12:44:06
In reply to Ed025 above, I get your point, and it may end up ringing true. Can't see anyone in the current squad replacing those goals though, which is my only issue. But as you said Brands is there to do that, so we will trust the new management structure to make a start on delivering what we as fans want.

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{Ed025's Note - i expect us to sign at least 1 new forward tommy and i believe brands will deliver the goods mate..

23 May 2018 18:59:17
The difference in our new DOF compared to Walsh.

From what I got from it he wants a MODERN manager and a MODERN structure to the club.

That means NOT people like big Sam, Little Sam or the like but a manger with drive and ambition and a team based on this phylosophy.

It was filled with everything we have all been talking about. We've bought players without this ambition. Without a care for who they are playing for. Drive and ambition is what brings success.

It will take time and we have to give it to everyone at the club but if we give to them whoever is at the club we will give it a chance of working.

This guy is a million miles away from Walsh and you got the impression he will be doing most things related to supporting the football but also have greater control over other aspects as well.

I've never felt more confident about what we are trying to do which is a miracle after the last 6 months.

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23 May 2018 19:36:25
It's obvious surely?
Arteta turns down Arsenal to come back home to Goodison as the man in charge.

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23 May 2018 18:14:30
Not too bothered who the knew manager is to be honest. My opinion is that if Silva was 1st choice he'd have been announced by now but that's just common sense which doesn't really fit with Everton. The biggest thing we did was get Brands. That is a huge step in the right direction. He's so well thought of and could have easily been well accepted by fans of any major club in Europe. He will work wonders with our youth who are superior to most in our league and most across Europe. I expect to see Dowell given a role next season along with Robinson and Davies etc. Wage bills dictate league position across most professional leagues in Europe apart from very rare exceptions, he's bucked that trend in Holland and I think within 2 seasons you'll see us being a force regardless of the manager.

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{Ed025's Note - nice to hear from you svenny mate..

23 May 2018 19:56:41
Is Vitor Pereira going to be the new manager Svenny lol ;)

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23 May 2018 17:39:26
Just my opinion on Silva or whoever the manager may be.
Managers, just like players may have had poor careers up to joining a certain club and then they just click and success happens. Sometimes a certain club just fits a certain player or manager.

So let's hope the same happens with Silva (if it's him) and brands and whoever they decide to bring in and keep.

Come the first game of the season we need to be right behind them and drive them forward all season.

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{Ed025's Note - absolutely geoff..

23 May 2018 13:25:58
Been a fan of this forum for a while now and decided to register.
Big season ahead of us and I think silva/ brands are the right men to take us to the next level!

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23 May 2018 13:57:09
nice to have a fresh view point on board mate.

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23 May 2018 14:59:09
West Ham get a world renowed manager in Pellegrini all we get is Silva, Moshiri has no ambition we are far bigger than West Ham but may not be for long.

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23 May 2018 16:30:07
Almost like Arsenal did with Wenger 22 years ago then? A relative unknown going up against established managers. He'snot even been appointed yet, whoever it is give them a chance, we have to be realistic about where we are as a club, especially after this season.

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23 May 2018 16:33:14
West Ham need more than a good manager, I bet he is not there after this season.

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23 May 2018 16:45:41
Give silva time and stability and he will take us forward
It can’t be worse than the tripe we have had in charge over the last season or 2.

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{Ed025's Note - we also have to realize that this is a long term project frankie, its going to take time to get this club on an even keel again so lets not be moaning and calling for the managers head if we lose a few games, rome was not built in a day mate but if evertonians were on the job im sure it would have been.. :)

23 May 2018 17:05:47
Who said pellegrine is a good manager . Anyway manager could win the league with man city's money. Give Silva a chance . Kendall wasn't an established manager before he came to us.

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23 May 2018 17:13:20
Yes exactly ed, working with brands aswell I think over the next 2 or 3 windows we will have a much better squad in place to build on and hopefully then take us to the next level!
Time is the main point though! I for one will be behind the new plan!

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{Ed025's Note - me too frankie mate..

23 May 2018 12:17:42
really like what I've read about brands over the past few days, looks like he's going to be overhauling the club and looking into everything. hopefully he's the appointment we needed! and seeing the news this morning that he's shocked at the wage bill and will tell the likes of Williams, bolasie and schneiderlin to either take a cut or find a new club is refreshing.

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23 May 2018 16:39:15
I don't want them to take a cut they need to go, if there bad it will make no difference if we half our wage bill get rid, we need a clear out

Williams
Mirralas
Funes Mori
Baines hate to say it but legs are gone and his position you need them more than ever
Niasse
Bolasie

Just a few without going through squad and only Baines would be sad to see go.

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23 May 2018 10:44:25
I don't think the choice of manager is as important as people seem to think. I believe that we need a fantastic transfer window that gets in 2 or 3 top players in positions that we are sadly very weak in. No manager in the world could pick a great attacking team from the squad we have. We are nowhere near the level of top 6 teams. For us to achieve anything, I believe we need Lookman back with a better attitude. We need at least 1 new center back. A new attacking left sided midfielder and possibly a left back too. We need Tom Davies to be played in an attacking role and achieve the sort of penetrating runs that he was making when he first broke into the team and all the players perform at the top of their games all season. This probably means no place for Klaasen nor Schneiderlin.

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23 May 2018 11:57:24
I disagree on the manager part degsy. The team needs direction and the manager gives them that. The rest I agree with. One thing I would like to see is the 2 defensive midfielders gone. Play Gueye in front of back 4 or just dead centre of pitch in a 442 type formation. Like when Reid and Bracewell played together.

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23 May 2018 12:20:34
I'd say more than anything we need a midfielder who can carry the ball forward some with the physicality to go with it, for me it screams loftus cheek in a three midfielder with gylfi and gana.

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23 May 2018 12:50:53
I agree with you degsyp, I feel that Brands is the key to how Everton move forward.
He will be in control of who comes and goes and the "manager" will coach the players in movement, passing, defending etc.

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23 May 2018 14:30:55
sidutton, if we buy players who need coaching in movement, passing and defending we'll be sending for Big Sam again in November.

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23 May 2018 14:41:55
Tosun, Niasse, Walcott, Sigurdsson all have the potential to get into double figures in a season. All 4 can play together in a number of formations.

Now if the manager wants to play attacking football and use these players to their strengths then we are not far from having a good goals return from just 4 players in a season. So without any additions and with the right manager and tactics there’s definitely scope for improvements on the attacking front.

So whoever they go for, I just hope that he can get the best out of these and then any additions will hopefully not have too much a burden of expectation on them from the start.

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23 May 2018 14:55:27
I’d like to see Lookman and Walcott on the wings and Siggy in the number 10 pulling the strings with Tosun feeding off all 3. I reckon all 4 would bring each other’s games on leaps and bounds.

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23 May 2018 09:49:45
Good luck to Liverpool on Saturday. It will be a great occasion for the supporters in the city. Not a lot happens in Oslo.

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23 May 2018 19:35:37
Erm it's tongue in cheek! :)

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24 May 2018 12:28:14
Wrong page that bluejohn.

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23 May 2018 07:01:16
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