Everton Banter Archive September 22 2016

22 Sep 2016 22:14:18
Bloody fingers.

Anyway continuing on.

Koeman looks like he will do this and I think Barkley will improve. Maybe because he critises him the fans will start to leave him alone.

For me Martinez has changed the fans mindset. Because he didn't criticisethe players the fans did and now it is the habit that has been bred into them.

It may go back to the way it was but I wouldn't bet on it.

As for Barkley. Him leaving would mean he stands on his own two feet and away from the criticism. It's a shame because I can see greatness in him. However, while our fans remain spiteful and self destructing he's wasting his time trying to convince them.

23 Sep 2016 15:25:50
Insightful post BJU some of the fans do seem to have taken RMs lack of criticism to far I don't think RK will stand idly by and not tell the players how it is. As fans we should ease up a bit on the negativity and show the boys that we trust RK to deliver.

{Ed025's Note - i trust him implicitly mate..

22 Sep 2016 19:46:29
Evening all! Think we should lay of the young BLUES like Ross and Del Boy. The cule is in the title. YOUNG! . They will make mistakes, they will get things wrong from time to time but RK can and will get the best out of them. Look at Del Boy when he came on against Sunderland?
"In youth we learn, as an adult we understand" be pacient and let things take there course!
COYB! ⭕.

22 Sep 2016 21:41:53
Agree. Neither have been at their best lately, there's no denying that, but deriding them helps no one (especially not Ross who has shown himself to not have the strongest mental fortitude) . They both need patience, time and SUPPORT.

22 Sep 2016 08:35:50
I just scrolled down and read some of the posts about Barkley. I have to make a few points:
Moyes was accused of holding him back by some people when Martinez threw him into the first team. My own view was that Barkley was a young man that played a role that needed confidence. It was a sink or swim situation. In fact sometimes he has played well so you could say he swam. In other games he has failed and sank. That tells me Moyes had it right and Martinez put too much responsibility on him. I did see some statistics on him regarding goals and assists and they are very very impressive. Up alongside great players of the past eg Gazza and other England greats. So he obviously has the ability. So now it is up to Mr Koeman to handle him with the kind of management that is needed to protect and nurture him to bring out that talent. What Barkley does not need is the negative mindless supporters booing him and moaning every time he loses the ball. I am sure Barkley will be blooded more slowly by Koeman and rested at times. He had a big spell out with a terrible injury when younger and this should be considered. He has played 119 games and he is only 22 years old. this is including the lengthy spell out. Last week he was absolutely top class. This week he was terrible. That should be telling us something. But fans need to get off his back.

{Ed025's Note - he is not a kid now degsy his arse is hairy enough for him to be classed as a man at 22 mate, because he is a scouser some think he should get preferential treatment but i dont, i dont want him booed either just treated like any other player..

22 Sep 2016 09:16:01
My own take on Ross is. . He loves the plaudits when things go well!

So why do things go well? because imo he's on his toes and knows he is is human and like everyone else if he's not focused then things will go wrong!

So why do things go wrong? because imo he's no longer on his toes and thinks he's 'Messi, Bsst. Pele and god knows who else after all the plaudits he got from his last game.

Ross Barklay needs to know himself from within methinks!

22 Sep 2016 10:02:03
Good post Degs. I think there are two major issues here.

Firstly this local lad thing is a blessing and a curse. As Ed025 pointed out, he gets preferential treatment from some fans, however the other way round, because he's a local lad, fans think it's okay to tell him what they think. From my seat in the Lower Gwladys, I think that Ross is the most booed player by a mile. This is probably because he is so frustrating. But I don't think we should ever boo our own players. By all means boo the team at half and full time if necessary but mid match boos and booing individuals is not on at all in my book. No wonder the lads a nervous wreck.

Secondly, we all place too much responsibility on Ross' shoulders. He can't win the game on his own and the fact is, maybe he will never be the player we want him to be.

This brings me to my third point. The fact is, in my opinion, Ross has to play. We have literally no-one else for direct cover in his position. The only options are the equally inconsistent Deulofeu, or playing two up front, and I don't think I'm convinced by Enner Valencia.

22 Sep 2016 10:41:44
I agree with pretty much all said above.

22 Sep 2016 13:09:49
Have to agree with you Degsy a good post. It amazes me how quick some fans are to criticise Ross yet Gerry Delafou has been very ordinary and at times woeful but he seems to avoid any criticism because the fans have some mis conception that he is good. I don't get it. Ross has more talent than anyone else in the team so give him a break. His treatment by Woy was appalling at the Euros and it will take Ross a bit of time to get over it. Foeman says he does extra training sessions all the time so he is working hard to improve. So I say to the fans don't push him away because we will regret it.
Wellzee.

22 Sep 2016 15:53:04
I guess we are all so desperate for success after the longest barren run this club has ever had. Unfortunately, we are paying the price for a lack of vision and greedy board members from before Kenwright took over. It was then that Abromovic and the Yanks were looking to invest as well as Moshiri at the Arse . but we never took that chance. So now we play catch up. But that desperation does not mean we should not do what supporters are supposed to do. ie support. I believe it means to offer help and encouragement. not whinge and moan at the players. I have never understood the moaning at our players on the pitch. I get called negative, but I have never once at 59 ever booed a player in Royal Blue. The referee, yes. he usually gets both barrels and the opposition. unless its someone with class and dignity or an ex Blue. isn't this how its supposed to be? The Z cars theme starts. the hairs on your back stand up. you are playing a side that was put together with 10 times our cost. and the hope is there. the ref blows his whistle and you can hardly hear yourself think. Then some old fella behind leans over you when one of their players commits a dirty foul on one of our starlets and he shouts, "you winged eel fingerling" or something like that. And we then all join in shouting abuse at the opposition. together. players and supporters all in Royal Blue. But not at our own. surely?

22 Sep 2016 06:41:24
One defeat and some fans want to sell players. I wasn't happy with the defeat or manor in which we were defeated but I woUldale rather drop players to prove they are not untouchable than sell them. Barkley IMO needs time out the side to sort his head out and have a break from the abuse he receives and give Tom Davies a run in the side. As for Del boy yes he has talent but rarely uses it, maybe studying David Silva will help him realise that a clever brain is needed to go with clever feet. It's upto the coaching staff and man management of the gaffer to get these 2 players back firing and not upto fans to sell them. I do believe this is a make or break season for Ross now to finally prove that he isn't a Jack Rodwell.

22 Sep 2016 07:02:41
The problem is that firstly Tom Davies isn't a no.10, and secondly, you want to replace a young talent who is underperforming with a young talent that has little to no experience, in a vital attacking position. Glad you're not managing the team mate.

22 Sep 2016 07:10:59
Although I agree that something needs to be done about Barkley, and that it's make or break for him. If he doesn't perform well, Koeman will just buy someone else who will.

{Ed025's Note - i hope he will tommy, there is a certain bias towards ross that because hes a local lad he should get preferential treatment, dont get me wrong the "local lad does well"scenario is fine but it cant be a burden on the team ethic mate..

22 Sep 2016 08:34:13
I think when you look at the players we were unable to bring in before the window shut shows the clubs ambition to progress and move forward, the way we failed to sign these players is another area that requires improvement.
January will be another opportunity although somewhat limited, but this project was never going to happen overnight!

{Ed025's Note - your spot on there wakka mate..

22 Sep 2016 09:41:03
That's why I'm glad we have got Koeman as manager. No sentimentality or favourites. If you are the best player for the team you will play. If not you will be replaced. The other good thing is that we now have the money to replace practically anyone in the team if necessary.

22 Sep 2016 10:51:51
Maybe not like for like with Barkley and Davies but from what he has shown Davies can pass, can get forward and importantly can also tackle. The mistakes are still there with Ross and too often, he has is best games when he is given time on the ball like at home to Boro they invited play in front of them but against pressing teams like Sunderland did and Norwich he becomes average. Is he really a number 10? His assists and goals say he is but he needs to control games too. Hurts to say it but look what Gerrard was doing in games when he was 22.

22 Sep 2016 11:04:00
The only current options we have to replace Ross is the equally frustrating Deulofeu, or putting Lennon out wide and Mirallas in the no.10 role. Certainly worth considering until we can buy some competition for him in January.

I love Tom Davies but I think he is more of an eventual replacement for Barry.

22 Sep 2016 12:39:23
Worth a shout that Tommy as Kev seems to do well in a central role and doesn't shy from a tackle even if it is mistimed occasionally, I want Ross to succeed bit atm he may need taking out the firing line for his own good and we have a man manager who isn't afraid to make these type of decisions.