Everton Banter Archive September 22 2014

22 Sep 2014 20:40:50
One minute we are laughing at the posters on Liverpool Rumours site, the next we are making the same posts ourselves after the Palace game. Was always a bit worried about this fixture after last year and with the changes made. The Wolfsburg result was a bit flattering. We were lucky to only concede one.
I posted previously that with the Prem teams already eliminated the League Cup was there for a long run. The League Cup has always niggled me that we have always gone out far too early. Do think though that this year we should deprioritise it and test a few youngsters, even if it results in elimination this round.
Happy that Oviedo is back. Wouldn't want him to play whole game though. Besic must be desperate for a full game, red card permitting. Kone surely must be almost fit by now to start and Robles you never know may have a half decent game.
If the Swans make changes too, we may even get through!

{Ed025's Note - and dont forget atsu tedster, i think its a great idea mate..

23 Sep 2014 04:25:12
I was the one who directed people to the LFC page for a laugh - but laughed at myself later by 'over-reacting' tongue in cheek to our defeat.

I think there's a difference between them and us - we don't 'expect' to win but we do sound off about where we think we are going wrong, which is all part of being a supporter. Ya pays ya money.

We don't call ourselves the 'best fans in the world' then viciously slag off the whole team and manager. We constructive criticise certain players who could have done better ;)

Plus we don't spend 100m to get into champs league but belittle united for spending more.

Mostly reds fans just make me laugh because they're the kind of kids who at school just picked a 'winning team' to support and then expected a lifetime of feelgood 'I'm a considerably better person than yow' silverware to make them feel superior - and then have nervous breakdowns when it doesn't appear because they 'expect' it and didn't sign up to support a losing team.
You can't say that about Evertonians - we've never had that and we've stuck by the team thru thick and thin whilst others won cups (and rigged the league so no one but a few teams can win it anymore)

Everton fans don't like defeat but we can 'handle it' when it happens - Liverpool (and United) fans can't - because that's not what they signed up for.

Having said that we were bloody awful against palace - it wasn't the bloopers in defence that hacked me off - it was the complete lack of urgency and desire - the constantly passing the ball for minutes on end across the back four without trying to move forwards - if you don't try to score more at one up, you're going to run the risk of getting mugged with an equaliser sooner or later. We had some lazy players who only started trying when we were losing which is not good enough. more effort lads!

Quality post Latchfordlad. I agree with everything you've said. Had to laugh at the "considerably richer than yow" jibe that sums up the glory hunting Reds and United perfectly.

23 Sep 2014 18:47:33
Nice post. We do have constructive and educated on this site and yes we can certainly handle defeat. That's why last season was so encouraging. Still early days and much to be positive about this season. Whatever happens were Evertonians and that's priceless. COYB.

22 Sep 2014 08:23:30
I can really understand everyones frustration on here, we have gone in 2 years from one of the best defences in the premiership to now officially the worst. Perhaps RM need to look at changing the formation? when you play a back four and have two defensive midfielders sitting in front of it and we are still getting opened up time and time again something is obviously not right. I posted myself I think we need a defensive coach, maybe Stubbsy can work with the first team more?
I also believe at this time in the season there is not such a need to rotate, players should be able to play two games a week, maybe later when they are more fatigued we will need to, i'm sure players on the edge should be so up for an opportunity to show what they can do?

{Ed001's Note - you know Alan Stubbs is now managing Hibs right? Not sure he would have the time to work with the Everton first team now!}

Haha true, Duncs back we're scoring bring him back or someone like him we may start to keep clean sheets!
Ratcliffe always has plenty to say give him a job?

22 Sep 2014 01:26:41
We still don't know how to start a season!

Threw away two leads at leicester
Conceded two stupid late goals to arsenal, when we had the game won.
Dont even talk to me about Chelsea game.
Very lucky not to concede against wesbrom
Conceded three at home to palace enough said!

If Robles wasnt so awful i'd be saying rotate him in. Howard doesn't deserve his spot in our team.
Distin and Jags are Moyes defenders, they need to move to clubs that hoof the ball up as soon as it enters there final third.

Awful start to the season, Europa league is going to kill us this year and as if we needed tiredness on top of our current performances.

8th if lucky

Have to agree in part tmh shocking start to the season results wise. However, would that be the same Howard that kept us in the game against Wolfsburg. IMO Howard has only had one bad game this season and that was yesterday. As for Jags and Distin yes they are defenders that Moyes bought but I think the clue is in the job description "defenders". What we have seen this season are players making individual mistakes that have cost us games. My concern is RM’s philosophy of concentrating on free flowing attacking football all the time. IMO Stones playing RB just doesn’t seem to be working. If you look back a season or two ago we had a similar problem when Coleman played he was often caught out of position when he went forward putting pressure on the remaining back four. He worked on that part of his game and now look how good a player he is. I am just not sure that we have the luxury of giving Stones the same amount of time as Coleman had to get it right. For me we look much better when Stones is central. I do think that RM is moving the club forward in the right direction and think that given time we will get it right. However, maybe we should look to play a bit more conservatively down the right side if Coleman is not available. Maybe we have to think about Hibbert or one of the other youngsters that is a more defensive player. I would rather see us get a few good results under our belt and not play such attacking football for a while. Once we start getting clean sheets the confidence at the back will be high, then maybe RM can tinker around until he finds the back four to play the way he wants.

I have said so many times Stones at RB does not work. I actually think differently to you though re being conservative down that side if we don't have Coleman. The problem stems from Stones not being a wide player in my opinion, he is quick but not quick off the mark. When fit I would be playing Oviedo there or Baines and continue to attack down both flanks, I think attack is our best form of defense and when Coleman plays the opposition wide players struggle to make an impact because we have so much threat from our wingers and fullbacks.

22 Sep 2014 00:07:24
What a diabolical mess that was today. Osman I'm afraid to say is finished. He should never start another game again. Howard wtf was that. The penalty and the dropped ball. 2 things you had to do today and you stuffed them both. No matter what happens Mirallas must start every game. He terrorises defences. Naismith must start as well. People are saying get rid of Martinez, we sound like liverpool supporters. He got us our highest total of points last season and now we are headed for relegation. Talk about hitting the panic button. Anyway I still think Liverpool will smash us next week as well as Man U and maybe a couple more crappy results and then like every season go on a run of 15-20 games undefeated and this game will be a long distant memory.