Everton Banter Archive January 22 2018

22 Jan 2018 19:27:58
One for us all to look forward to next game Leicester City. Marhez against Martina 🙄.

22 Jan 2018 22:52:24
or in reality Marhez v a non existent I'm stealing a living pretending to be a footballer LB.

23 Jan 2018 03:17:29
Come on guys, enough of the Martina abuse. We all know he's not good enough and it's especially tough for him on the wrong side but it doesn't need repeating literally every day. At least he tries which is far more than can be said about Williams. A liability in every match and doesn't even seem to care.
Everyone is entitled to critique but it's turning villainous towards him now when others are equally to blame for our defensive woes.

23 Jan 2018 09:43:13
Well said worcesterefc, and these people are supposed to support Everton, 1 player doesn't make a bad team, same as snids, same as williams, same as Rooney, when this many players aren't playing at the top of there game, then obviously we as a team are going struggle.

23 Jan 2018 10:00:20
The question is why aren't they up to scratch. Are they being asked to do something they were never capable of? Are they no longer capable of things that were within their abilities previously? Have they insufficient confidence to play to their abilities? Does the tactical system suit their abilities? Depending on the answers you can implement a solution.

23 Jan 2018 10:52:04
Or are they just not good enough. Not the players fault, it’s the managers for picking him. He’s hardly likely to say look boss I’m crap don’t pick me is he.

23 Jan 2018 11:05:38
Cuco or me tries but in honesty isn't good enough. But maybe if the player infront of him back tracked to defend, Cuco wouldn't be trying to do two jobs of defending against his player and his team mates player. Its easy to bash him but at least realise its not his fault and give same stick to those letting him and the team down.

22 Jan 2018 18:00:54
RK left under a cloud of frustration, DU had to work under a cloud of uncertainty and Big Sams judgment is just clouded with the left back situation. Every cloud has a Silva lining.
Our next two games Leicester and Arsenal I’m not to optimistic about to be honest. So I wouldn’t rule it out.
Can we set up a poll Ed stick with Sam or get Silva in?

22 Jan 2018 22:59:46
Robbie I was going to ask the same but with the option off Silva and other.

22 Jan 2018 15:33:19
I only managed to watch the MOTD highlights, however it was interesting to see the difference in attitudes after we scored the equaliser on Saturday.
Walcott grabbed the ball and wanted to get started again and go for a winner.
The rest celebrated glad that we weren't losing.
Let's hope Walcott's approach to how to play to win rubs off on the others
Big C.

22 Jan 2018 17:06:37
I think there are two elements to a successful player purchase; the player and the context he is bought into for example Salah at Chelsea and at Liverpool. Right now Everton is a difficult context for any player to show his worth in. We need that rare breed of player of whom it is said; when he plays well the team plays well. In an Evertonian context I think of Peter Reid. They are a rare breed.

22 Jan 2018 14:20:50
Creswell from West Ham would be a good signing at LB but looks like Garbutt might be getting a chance as been given squad number 36.

22 Jan 2018 14:43:24
Hopefully he will be registered if Aaron leaves.

22 Jan 2018 11:45:05
Ed and blues. Put yourself in Allerdyces shoes now. How is it fixed for us to crack a smile again. I agree that it's a terrible situation with whatever is going on behind the scenes. As much as I don't want Sam at the club I can see it's a hard job right now.

I'd personally shake it up as it's not working what so ever is it.

Formation for me I'd try 41212 (the diamond)

Pickford picks himself he's young an will make the odd parry but he's one of the best young goal keepers in the country.

Right back I'd stick with Kenny u til Coleman fully fit.

Centre backs. I'd go with Keane and holgate I know holgate and Keane haven't been great. However I think they are the future for next season. Also Sam is changing the centre back partners what seems to be every week. When we went 8 games unbeaten there was no changes to the centre backs. We need a settled defence as sharpish. Keane and holgate should be given a chance.

LB. just sign one anyone is better than martina. If not play a player who is left footed there! GARBUTT. If he plays him as he's poor then he can come out an say I tried. We all stop calling for garbutt to be played. But iseen a post regarding martina will go down as one of the worst to put on the shirt which is a bit harsh but see where they come from.

Holding midfield. Gana Gueye

Centre mid. Can Rooney play there I'd like to gamble and say he can with Davies alongside him for energy and gana Gueye behind him for protection.

Attack mid. Gylfi Sig - the bit of class we have on the ball someone who wants the ball someone who doesn't go hiding when the going gets tough and doesn't stop working. Build he team around him.

Strikers. Tosun and Walcott. If we can get the all there I think I can trust these two to get goals an cause danger.

I know a lot will disagree due to no width. But that's just the formation I start with. if it doesn't work you then sacafice any of the midfield for the likes of bolasie or Lookman and play with width.

Right not that's not working. Surely they have the tactical nouce to see that and change it but are only option is he goes 5 at he back an right now we don't have the full back to play that formation.

What's yas think? I'm not looking to be told I'm wrong I'm looking for everyone's opinion in what they would do.

Everton the gear.

22 Jan 2018 12:04:37
Honestly don't think 41212 works too well. In my mind it plays out one of 2 ways:

1, the 2 cms play narrow meaning the only real width we have is from the full backs. This puts a lot of pressure on gana to help out the defence but ultimately we will be weak in the full back positions.

2, the 2 cms play wider which means there is a lot of space in the middle of the park.

22 Jan 2018 12:29:36
I get your point mate I do. But us playing with width lately hasn't worked. I think we need the 2 up front and also allows Rooney an sig on the pitch.

Got to be worth a go?

22 Jan 2018 13:51:12
I'd be happy trying anything at the minute to be fair. We can't get too much worse.

22 Jan 2018 14:00:45
Our squad is so unbalanced it unbelievable really how we started the season like this.
To have one left footed player in the first team squad is not good. Baines is out for a few weeks still.
We can’t play 5 at the back as no LWB.
We can’t play 4-4-2 as this would not suit our No 10’s GS, WR and DK.
4-3-3 is probably the best suited to our squad.
But as every man and their dog knows we need a left back. We can then play with x2 CM Gueye and either Davies Banigime or Schneiderlein. The attacking Cm (no 19) GS, WR or DK. The problem we have had previously is that GS has played wide left for some strange reason. And Bolasie is only been back a few weeks. To add to this DCL is still learning and didn’t have the support in the final third from Bolasie and Walcott. He had GS on one side which one isn’t his position and two not quick enough to link up with him on counter attacks. AL was on the other side who works hard but probably better helping his fullback out than he is in the final third.
Maybe the signing of CT and the threat of Walcott and Bolasie can improve this and stop the pressure on DCL as he looks good but needs to be used at the right times.
Something must have happened with Garbutt to not be given the chance?
We have put to much on our youngsters this year Kenny Holgate and DCL are all quality players but are all in need of a rest or out of the firing line when we are playing in this manner. Davies and Lookman have been protected more as we have had cover in these positions I guess. But they have all been managed wrong. We should have played cuca at RB and give Kenny a run of games then take him out. (Obviously a signing of a LB) .
Holgate has been used to much due to Mori injury and Keane being injured. Therefore we can’t play Jags and Williams together.
DCL was player to much as we haven’t had anyone else as Niasse is a hard worker. Sandro? Answers on a post card please.
We have good players some excellent young players but some changes to the balance of the squad. I don’t believe for a second what Sam said about no more signings. Because if he leaves LB position as it is he leaves himself wide open and with the injury to JM will this force him to go for Nzonzi?

22 Jan 2018 14:43:40
Said for ages that Rooney and Siguurdson cannot operate in the same space. But when Rooney had a blinder, covering at LB and everywhere in fact, he did indeed start out and play much deeper under Sam. Certainly agree with JimBob. Always liked a single DM just in front of the back four, he breaks up play or disrupts long enough for the defence to make their move. Indeed Rooney and Davis. Then Bolasie, Tosun, Walcott, Walcott will play as second striker anyway with his movement.

22 Jan 2018 14:43:43
go 4-4-2 then old fashioned yes but

pickford

kenny holgate keane me nan/ anyone

walcott sig gana bolasie

tosun niasse


might score a few with that team.

22 Jan 2018 17:09:28
Whatever system we play we need s left back.
But if we play 4-4-2 which some games maybe needed you would be asking Bolasie and Walcott to defend more plus asking one of our no 10’s to play in midfield and defend more too which is not their strength for the sake of Niasse. I would also like DCL and Tosun.

22 Jan 2018 17:52:33
If you play a flat 4 midfield which I feel we should then it has to be Sigs and Davies, Davies is your box to box midfielder and Sigs is your playmaker, defence is the problem especially the left back who is not even a footballer let alone a LB.
Get Luke registered and play him, Kenny RB for now, with Holgate and Keane given time to forge an understanding. Niasse and Tosun up top.

22 Jan 2018 17:14:04
Swap Niasse for Davis and play 1 up top. with Sig in behind.

22 Jan 2018 20:44:42
Pickford

Kenny Keane Jagielka U11s left back

Gueye Davies

Walcott Rooney Bolasie

Tosun

Bench: Joel, Holgate, Baningime, Sigurdsson, Lookman, Niasse, DCL.

Rooney scores more than Sigurdsson, and his lack of pace is offset by Davies' running as he would be more of a box-to-box while Gana protects the back 4. Get Lookman and Baningime on the bench every game and if they impress let them start a few games. Put Klaassen and Vlasic in the U23's until they are up to speed with the English game. Schneiderlin can hand out the oranges at half time.

22 Jan 2018 21:41:16
cropper we can quite easily play that system once Coleman and Baines (or someone of Baines ilk but with the legs) are back.

22 Jan 2018 06:18:28
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Premier League Match Preview Monday 22nd January 2018

22 Jan 2018 02:52:02
Just read a piece in the Guardian that has Sam admitting he can't play Rooney and Siggy at the same time as despite their skills they both lack enough mobility. And he also feels Siggy should be playing in his favoured position not stuck out on the wing. At last the penny has dropped. Now all he needs is to have the same insight into the glaringly obvious defensive shambles and we may start improving. Here's hoping anyway.

22 Jan 2018 08:51:39
What can he do about the defensive shambles? Sign a left back? Sign a new center back? I am neither an Allergy lover nor hater. but the guy has been here a few weeks. he saw us pick up some points against weaker teams and then watched us struggle with a tough fixture list. but with the same group of players that Koeman had. He had injuries to Coleman, Baines, McCarthy, Mori and Barkley. He has since seen Barkley go. Brought in Wallcott and Tosun and it looks like Lennon is off. He is playing 2 kids in defence who have performed as well as anyone could have expected. and yes after a few games has decided that Rooney and Sig cannot play together. He has taken us from bottom 3 to top half (although we are very close still to the relegation spots) . I suggest we just let the man do his job and sort out the horrific mess of our football club. And if you don't think we are in a mess, re-read all of what I have written again in other posts. ie about lack of pace/ creativity. but most of all. goalscorers in our squad. For 4 years we have had what seems like a policy of buying players (Lukaku aside) who do not score goals. and when at last the numbers catch up with us and we don't even have a shot on target for 4/ 5 weeks everyone blames the current manager. He is a human being not Jesus Christ you know. If you are looking for blame. it is the last 2 managers. The first one for an over-reliance on our top goalscorer (Lukaku) and the second manager for losing the support of Barkley and an absolute dreadful transfer window. We did not just become bad overnight. this is 4 years of planning!

22 Jan 2018 09:24:34
I humbly suggest you take a chill pill Degsy and actually read what's written before going on a rant. Was I saying everything that's wrong with the club is Sam's fault? No I wasn't. Did I say the kids hadn't performed admirably under the circumstances? No I didn't. And where you get the idea that I don't think we're in a mess from is amazing. All I said was according to a report he's finally noticed something that was obviously wrong and he plans to do something about it.

22 Jan 2018 10:19:03
Fancy supporting a club where you can't say what you think about what you see and how you think it could be made better. What would be the point in that?

22 Jan 2018 10:23:29
OK BigH78, I am sorry. I just see so many posters who thought everything was rosey before he came and that his team selections are the reason of us being so bad. and I thought that was what you were implying. my apologies to you. and a short explanation. about 4 years ago I started to post that Martinez was signing many players who did not score many goals in relation to their positions. ie a Center back might get 4 or 5 goals a season and that would be considered good. The team that Martinez inherited had goals from most players in most positions and we were at first a delight to watch. Lukaku was signed and I believed that was the best signing in ages. but then he started signing players who had just never scored many goals for their relevant positions. I won't list them all but go though and have a look at the players he signed. Ok Eto'o also scored but he got rid pretty quick. This continued throughout with players like McCarthy, Barry, Besic, Cleverly, Gueye, Lennon etc. none of whom have ever been prolific and indeed some have only scored 1 or 2 in their careers. This "policy" saw lots of good goalscorers leave the club and go on to score for other clubs. eg Arteta, Fellaini, Stones, Naismith, Jelavic and Mirallas. Others like Pienaar and Osman retired and indeed we now need to replace Baines and soon Coleman. Our transfer policy has been a shambles and was highlighted to me in the last window when we never signed a forward and a left back was so obviously a priority. yet as we all know about 5 number 10's. I had thought you were blaming Sam A so apologies to you my friend. Will mention Niasse who without we would be in big sh**. May not be the best in the world but neither was Marcus Bent who worked his socks off and we got into the Champions League with him in the team.

22 Jan 2018 10:28:50
Don’t be offended by Degsy BigH, I’m sure that’s not what he intended to do. He enjoys reminding us all of his posts from Previous years and how he was right about us not replacing goalscorers like Osman and Pienaar. But his posts are usually spot on when they’re not ‘I told you so. ’.

22 Jan 2018 11:01:09
No offense taken Joe. I can see Degsy's point. He simply misunderstood what I was getting at. Regardless of differing opinions we all have the clubs best interest at heart COYB.

22 Jan 2018 11:26:27
Excellent post degsy.

22 Jan 2018 12:26:31
I'll post more of this the next time degsy pops his head up with these ridiculous non facts. But pienAar averaged 2.6 goals per season, osman the same, graveson 2, and so on and so on. The only one that got over 4 was Mirrallas who averaged 6.

The players Martinez signed or developed scored more goals and got more assists than any in any season with Moyes and his players.

22 Jan 2018 15:02:15
Feeling a little unmanly with this love fest. ;-)