Everton Banter Archive January 21 2017

 

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21 Jan 2017 21:39:33
I'm loving the ruthless Everton not the nice Everton that rolled over and gave points away. This efc team would rob ye last roll😂😂. Koeman has a ruthless streak and seems the players know he ain't a clown like rm, it's his way or leave.

We are heading the right way

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21 Jan 2017 22:55:31
Me too Pb

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22 Jan 2017 08:27:42
I don't care if some games we look great and others we defend and defend. Grind out results even. That's how all top sides start. Then the confidence stuff comes later. Winning mentality is what it's about. The mid eightees team started like that. Eventually we were in games one nil down with 10 nins to go. and as the great Howard Kendall said, "you just knew we were going to nick a goal and get a result". I had that feeling again yesterday.

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21 Jan 2017 19:58:45
8 points of 4th spot with 48 points left to play for and people 2weeks ago said our season was over nothing to play for. let's take it game by game I have a feeling we will be up there challenging for 4th spot in the last few games of the season.

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21 Jan 2017 20:44:38
I hope your right steff but let's not get carried away. A couple of key injuries could hurt us in the run in.

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21 Jan 2017 20:49:44
Got to think positive Stef

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21 Jan 2017 21:05:51
In this league anything can happen as the Swansea win proved. We have to keep winning and hope that the top six slip up. We gained two points on most of them today.

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21 Jan 2017 21:29:29
We look after our own games the rest will drop points and we still have to play them its wide open.

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21 Jan 2017 19:39:43
listening to Koeman it sounds like Seamus will be captain soon ☺

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21 Jan 2017 20:29:03
Or Simon Coleman if you listen to Big Sam 😂

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21 Jan 2017 20:50:47
lol I heard that on Sky sports when he was moaning about offside and Jeffrey being missing 😳

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22 Jan 2017 15:03:01
They made him the Irish captain he is outstanding. He takes no bull shxx from anyone. He has what it takes and he is loyal it will keep him with us. Coleman is gold.

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21 Jan 2017 18:58:05
Tom Davies has played 458mins of football. In that time we have scored 13 goals and conceded nil.
Oh and Barkley has his mojo back.

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21 Jan 2017 20:04:56
Good times to be a blue Woburnblue!

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21 Jan 2017 21:41:07
Like every season just because you start the season flying, doesn't mean you end the season like it, I've seen a lot of teams fall away when the Pressure is on, eg Arsenal, Liverpool so if we keep plugging away who knows where we will end up, there's no pressuring us so fingers crossed we can catch up and sneak a European spot

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21 Jan 2017 23:29:43
Very true but if we do finish 7th but we have brought through Davies, Holgate and another that is real progress getting youngsters through and from the academy and U 23's bodes well for the future.

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22 Jan 2017 09:49:45
Davies, Holgate, Calvert-Lewin and Lookman look like fixtures for rest of the season. Need Dowell, Walsh and others to push for end of season or beginning of next. Still hope Browning gas a part to play.

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21 Jan 2017 18:47:20
Its good to see some fighting in the games think joel has been good to and i think this is the start of somthing food so happy atm we look strong am davies an barkley look leathal davies passing is superb 👍🏻👍🏻

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21 Jan 2017 18:47:17
Ross getting better the longer his hair gets. Let's hope he becomes a hippy. 💎

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21 Jan 2017 19:38:11
He's the new Samson!

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21 Jan 2017 18:04:18
Another great win today all played brilliant and thought our goalkeeper was superb maybe we don't need to buy one after all . i could be eating humble pie at this rate. could even finish 6th who knows 😃😃😃

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21 Jan 2017 18:19:55
Loving these positive posts lately Skylark.

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21 Jan 2017 23:32:32
Have to agree often we forget (well I do) that in goalkeeper terms Robles is still very young and he does have a better coach now.
I go back through the years and wondered if Southall would make it. If Joel can be half as good as him he will be very good.

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22 Jan 2017 11:47:26
If we don't get a keeper we will regret it but I never expected to the two boys to do so well. Too much attempting punches and flapping we need a solid keeper. I never Gave Joel a chance But he's done very well last couple of games. We still need a keeper to progress but the board hitting expectations is very positive.

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21 Jan 2017 17:43:13
Oh and I thought Robles was outstanding with the high balls being pumped in for the ex red. That is something we have been very poor at dealing with the last season or so. He dealt with everything he had to and took the pressure off at a time when other keepers have faltered.

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21 Jan 2017 17:32:09
It is worth taking a look at our run in. We are capable of winning a lot of those games and Koeman has reintroduced the fighting spirit that was lost under Martinez. We looklike a team again. I would say the ball is in our court now as to where we end up. and I am happy that with one or two more decent signings, we will be challenging for the top 4. Maybe not this season. but next certainly.

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21 Jan 2017 17:48:42
Next 7 games with the exception of spurs and Stoke are favourable. A win at Stoke and we could well be on a run, and the anything could happen.
Utd and city are catchable in my eyes

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21 Jan 2017 18:21:45
When Koeman was at Southampton they had shaky starts to the season. But as the season went on they improved and climbed the table. Imho 7th at worst to finish.

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21 Jan 2017 18:29:04
Agree NBTB. could be a good few months

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21 Jan 2017 16:56:14
Some of davies passes today were outstanding, kid is only 18 we really do have something specail here. coyb

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21 Jan 2017 17:14:46
The curling 30 yarder to Barkley was stunning. Barkley and Davies look like they are made for each other.

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21 Jan 2017 17:22:28
I just hope we don't pile too much pressure on him as soon as he has a bad game and he will but it will be allowed as it will be part of his learning. He is on the way to being one of the best midfielders in the Prem

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21 Jan 2017 17:42:22
Agree about Davies, we also look to have some players in Holgate and Lookman. It's nice to see Roles also looking solid, commanding his area and some good reflex saves. He should be no1 til summer at the least.

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21 Jan 2017 18:11:48
Agreed, joel was commanding on crosses today some good saves as well . He's maturing as a keeper now and needs a prolonged run in the team.

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21 Jan 2017 13:41:27
Any news on Franck Kessie Ed?

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21 Jan 2017
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21 Jan 2017 13:05:04
I'm hoping Delofeau's medical is only 20 minutes long otherwise nobody is going to want him.

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21 Jan 2017 08:55:05
Just having a conversation with ed below got me thinking about last season.
I was one of the many who felt this was our best squad since the 80s and Martinez was ruining it BUT since rk has came in and I listen to him and look closely, maybe we don't have a great squad and need to improve the quality in It, which takes time.
I will give rk the same time Martinez had before judging him.

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21 Jan 2017 09:41:41
I think Martinez made one signing that saved his skin. ie Lukaku. Otherwise the squad deteriorated massively. Look at my response to Ozzie below here I compare players Martinez inherited to players he left behind for Koeman. Howard, Hibbert, Fellaini, etc replaced with Alcaraz, McGeady, Robles, etc Niasse? etc see below.

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21 Jan 2017 11:26:32
I think on paper the squad looked amazing but on grass it looked weak and relied on every player being consistent which they weren't.

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21 Jan 2017 11:53:10
Koeman is getting more out of the same players. Look at Defense 100 times better than last 2 seasons. Is that down to the signing of Stek and Williams? I think not. Koeman is the difference.

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21 Jan 2017 12:11:33
In relation to OzzieBoy's post below imho the last 12 signings listed have elements of good signings. Lukaku is the obvious one who's value has doubled pretty much. Cleverly if he leaves to Watford will get £10m when he was signed for nothing. Not bad business at all.

No question about Eto'o quality, pity it didn't work out. Holgate and Robles very decent buys for £2m! McCarthy imho was a good signing and his value has to of gone up from £13m. Besic, Deulofeu and Lennon signed for £4-5m. Even though they haven't taken off, were they bad business? I think not, Lennon has been ok, done a job on more than one occasion. Talk of £15m for Deulofeu, £10m profit. Besic if he gets over injuries could then show what he can do.

Barry imho is as good a signing as has been done in a long time. Probably the most consistent of ALL players when Martinez was regardless of who signed them. Mori at £9.5m looks like it is good enough business at this stage.

I'm not trying to convert anyone and people have their own views. I'm far from Martinez's biggest fan. Didn't want him at Everton before, during or after his tenure but he done some good.

To use good Moyes signings to bad Martinez signings to draw comparisons is not a true reading. That is skewing the truth to suit your own argument.

That comes from someone that was a big Moyes supporter and as I said never a supporter of Martinez. I try not to see things through tinted glasses and try to be a realist. That's why I can see Martinez done some good signings. Especially with the finance as his disposal.

Imho it was his tactics and all that goes with it that was more of his downfall. The City game had only 1 Koeman signing in it! Williams, people still think the players aren't good enough?

Imho with only one signing in that game and the form we are in lately is more down to Koemans tactics and style which is light years ahead of Martinez. He is on about players are needed. He is right. That is because he is talking about taking us to the very top. The highest level.

Obviously we need plenty of players for that. I have no doubt with time we will get them. Koeman, Walsh and Moshiri are bringing good times to our club.

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21 Jan 2017 13:11:14
Couldn't have said it better myself NBTB, you're spot on there mate.

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21 Jan 2017 17:11:23
Well NBTB. I don't want to make a ping pong arguement. so I will say I agree that Koeman's tactics are part of the improvement. undoubtedly! However Koeman wants rid of Del Boy, Niasse and according to him. a few others. I would say McGeady is one of those? Eto'o lasted about 5 games. Back to Moyes' squad: Jags 4 mill, Baines 4 mill, Seamus 60 grand, etc. won't list and list the differences. But yes I agree that the tactics are a big part. plus telling the players they are not up to it when they are not. Unlike Martinez who probably was the nicest guy ever to win the FA cup and take a team down. Suffice it to say we are winning games again. We are heading upwards and looking upwards. but I am afraid that under Martinez, I was predicting relegation 2 seasons ago and really believe with the players he had and the tactics he chose and the signings he was making, it was a foregone conclusion.

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21 Jan 2017 18:11:53
Was predicting relegation when he became manager. That's why I didn't want him. I was a big supporter of Moyes because of the signings he made. He was a gem. Like any other manager there was flops also. As a whole he dug the club out of the pits when he took over. I stood up for him as much as you on here Degsy.

Of course Koeman wants rid. Players age like Barry and Jags. That's the nature of it. Personally I thought Martinez done a good job signing Holgate and Besic (young players) to replace Barry and Jags.

Plucking good a bad players from what a manager signed is not a proper debate on whether they were good signings or not. As a whole imho Moyes made better signings. I always thought that.

I also think Martinez signings aren't near as bad as some make out. Koeman wants us challenging strong at the top. With his tactics a some good additions we can. Another clean sheet today. The defense is like a totally different defense under Koeman.

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21 Jan 2017 18:22:42
Degsy, you're analysis below lists a very selective set of facts and some slightly dubious ones. I never wanted Martinez and I'm glad he's gone. However, your analysis of the Moyes/ Martinez squads is disingenuous at best. As NBTB says, you've picked the best ever Moyes signings (forgetting Nigel Martyn for a minute) to compare with the full set of those made by Martinez. You've played down the good signings he made for very little outlay (Barry, Holgate and - potentially - Galloway) and ignored Mad Robbie's good points (there were a couple in the first season at least and it wasn't all down to Davie because we did better than we had ever done in terms of points that season! ) Let's not forget that as well as Cahill, Arteta, Baines, Jags and Seamus, Davie signed Richard Wright, Li Tie, James Beattie, Simon Davies, Per Kroldrup, Nuno Valente, Shandy Andy, Bilyaletdinov and Magaye Gueye for a combined fee of nearly £40 million - that must be at least £120 million in today's money. If we're going to count failed signings that cost less than a million, as you seem to want to, we can add another 30-odd players to Moyes' list. In addition to that, he had Eric Dier and Shkodran Mustafi at the club and let them go for nothing - together they're worth £60m plus now. You count Ross as a Moyes player - he barely had a first team game under Moyes! It was Martinez who brought him through (then ruined him, to be fair) . Holgate is class, Robles is coming good, can't blame him for a punt on Eto'o for free, we all thought Geri looked like a steal at £4.3m. There is no excuse for Niasse or McGeady and I was never a fan of Kone myself. Also, do you think we'd have sold Stones for nearly £50m if Moyes had still been in charge? The lad wouldn't have even got into the first team yet for the same reason he never played Ross - he makes too many mistakes. At least the Martinez hype earned us some good money there. Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to say Bobby was good for us - he wasn't! Neither am I trying to say Moyes was rubbish - I think he did a great job over the years. It's just not as black and white as it's sometimes presented here: both managers made some very good signings and signed some duds. The point now is we have one of the best Directors of Football in the business, an owner with money and a plan, and a manager who seems to have got the team fitter and more resolute. There are some real plus points - some remaining from the Moyes era, some were Martinez' doing (I know it hurts) and some are being added now.

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21 Jan 2017 18:34:46
Agree coby. From 'don't get me wrong' down in that post I could of wrote that myself. As you say, as a whole Martinez wasn't good for the club. As a whole Moyes was. At the same time not everything Moyes done was right and not everything Martinez done was wrong.

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21 Jan 2017 18:57:36
I agree with a lot of what you say coyb. the only thing I really dissagree with is that I chose the best of Moyes players and used them. actually I just looked up the 2013/ 4 squad and compared it with the squad prior to Koeman. So the player examples were what Martinez inherited. Yes Moyes made some bad signings. Yes Martinez made some potentially good young signings. But I couldping pong this back and say they are not first team regulars and we could goon and on. how about we forget this one and enjoy today's win. Another ground out using tactics that Martinez would never have used. that much me and NBTB agree on 100%. My main point on the Martinez debate was that when Koeman took over, he should have had a squad with mainly Martinez signings making the 1st team. He did not. He had a few Martinez signings and more ageing Moyes ones. But let's enjoy the positives hey? let's enjoy that Koeman is signing some younger players now and ones to replace the ageing ones. and giving Martinez youngsters a chance and most of all. we are winning football matches! COYB and coyNBTB

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22 Jan 2017 08:49:08
Agree on that Degs! Whatever has gone on in recent years, it's what we're building for the future that matters and it's been a while since it felt this good to support Everton.

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21 Jan 2017 07:50:03
As we enter thr final 2 weeks of the transfer window and the rumours get stronger, I'm happier having Koeman and Walsh at the helm than Martinez. How many Martinez signings would have been deemed good enough for a transfer to the Roysl Blue Jersey these days?
Oumar Niasse (£13.5m)
Aiden McGeady (Undisclosed)
Antolin Alcaraz (Free)
Arouna Kone (£6m)
Jindrich Stanek (Undisclosed)
Leandro Rodriguez (£500k)
Sam Byrne (Free)
Samuel Eto'o (Free)
Joel Robles (£2m)
Tom Cleverley (Free)
Mason Holgate (£2m)
James McCarthy (£13m)
Muhamed Besic (£4.8m)
Gerard Deulofeu (£4.3m)
Aaron Lennon (£4m)
Brendan Galloway (Undisclosed)
Ramiro Funes Mori (£9.5m)
Gareth Barry (Free)
Romelu Lukaku (£28m)

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21 Jan 2017 08:09:35
It's hard to compare Ozzie as Koeman is shopping on a different budget now. No matter who you buy at the prices at the lower end they usually are what you get.

With the exception of Niasse the ones he did buy that cost big money have been excellent signings in McCarthy, Mori and Lukaku and if sold would make a huge profit.

Add to Holgate who has a bright future ahead of him and Brendan will have one too plus Besic when fit could also have a future at our club.

Barry has been a great player for us and is a shame we got him later in his footballing life and Ged has the makings of a star but with too many question marks over him.

All in all his buys weren't bad from Poundland. Let's see how well we do at Harrods.

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21 Jan 2017 09:13:23
The Besic one is a funny one for me. He gets an awful lot of praise but hasn't done much for me. Every time he's shown a bit he gets injured. I agree he's got quality but I just haven't seen enough from him to show what he can add without getting injured.

He signed the same time as Lukaku did but in all honesty has been very forgettable. I'm not saying he's not good enough but I am saying he's not yet proved himself.

I don't want to come across as harsh on the lad as he's had a tough injury this season. It's just that before this one he was in and out with niggling injuries so have never really seen him have a run in the side to say whether he is the player we all want him to be.

I do hope he gets his chance soon though when he returns as there's a fair amount of adulation for him already.

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21 Jan 2017 09:23:42
I am mainly with Ozzie on this. I would say firstly that Barry cost a fee. We agreed to pay a fee and had to pay it after the initial loan period. Added to which, Ozziee lists 19 players. All signed by Martinez in a 3 year period. Of that 19 only 2 are first team regulars. (yes only 2 regulars) Lukaku and Barry. Possibly Robles/ McCarthy? One of those (Barry) is on his last legs and will be lucky to last the season. Of the 19, we no longer require 12 of them. The current manager has more or less stated this. I won't list them. just go through the 19 and you will see what I mean. Our first team still consists of players from the Moyes era: Coleman, Baines, Barkley and Mirallas. Fringe players include Oviedo, Jags (from the Moyes era) and a couple of kids who seem to have finally found their way into the team. Davies and Holgate. I would summarise and say that this is a very poor return from 3 years of management. During that 3 years, players of proven quality (or at least regular 1st team action) have retired or been released: Howard, Distin, Osman, Pienaar, Anichebe, Neville, Naismith, Jelavic, Fellaini, Heitinger, Hibbert, Duffy, Donovan, Saha, Rodwell and Stones. Not sure all of these left after Martinez, but the majority did. I can state as fact that both Walter Smith and David Moyes ran the club on a shoestring. In fact after the sums are done, both these managers wheeled and dealed players and produced profit. ie there was no cost to Everton for their respective squads. An amazing achievement I think. Martinez arrived and spent some 40 million ish outlay over the 3 seasons. Lukaku he got with the Fellaini money. but 13 million on Niasse, 13 million on McCarthy and I don't know how much on McGeady (undisclosed) . I believe 4 million for Barry? . this makes me look like a Martinez basher this. but I am honestly just listing facts and would finish by saying thank goodness they got rid and had the foresight to bring Walsh and Koeman in just in time. I will never defend what Martinez did. and I believe one more season would have had us in the Championship.

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21 Jan 2017 09:24:08
Fair point that TA. Think fans love him for the passion he shows on the pitch. But your right, we don't really know just how good he is or isn't.

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21 Jan 2017 10:15:54
Degsy, that's a pretty good post mate. I would say that the reason for me that Martinez is remembered with such calamity is the fact that what he managed to ruin he did so quickly.

We shouldn't be surprised though as he served up to us exactly what he gave Wigan.

Anyway. We have Koeman and Walsh and it already looks a more promising future.

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21 Jan 2017 10:16:36
Yes Woburn, I totally agree.

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21 Jan 2017 17:13:55
Agreed

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