Everton Banter Archive April 21 2016

21 Apr 2016 23:50:19
reds fans won't stop banging on about mori tackle. YES it was a shocker but he got sent off what more do you wont. cast ye mind red fans to the even worse tackle from your captain on gary naismith two footed, thigh high and guess what happend NOTHING no booking and you got a throw in so pipe down. TALK ABOUT SELECTIVE MEMORY.

22 Apr 2016 01:51:07
Yeah, and who was it that was sent off after 43 seconds in the Man Utd game. I remember it well.

22 Apr 2016 08:16:35
A bad injury doesn't necessarily mean it was a bad tackle.

Poorly timed but no malice, IMO.

22 Apr 2016 08:24:28
Over the years there have been some terrible tackles in derby games. Mostly from Liverpool players who have got away with it. I vaguely remember Souness ending an Everton players career? Can't remember who. maybe some of the older guys on here will remind me. Anyway, it was a bad tackle that was a fraction late and deserved minimum yellow and probably red. He got that. Like pointed out above Gerrard's two footed inner thigh up to the groin on Naismith was intended. You could see the grimmace on Gerrard's face as he did it and the smug look afterwards when the referee completely ignored it and gave a throw in. It was only ssn repeatedly showing it and discussing it that caused the FA to look at it again and give Gerrard a retrospective ban. That gave Everton and Naismith no justice whatsoever.

21 Apr 2016 22:16:45
I really don't think that Martinez will go before the weekend, so expecting to hear something from the club is short of the mark I think. I'm not sure what they are to say if they intend to see out the cup run.

So the reality is that I think more can be read into the silence than can be said in a statement. If a statement comes now it will be in favour of Martinez. If nothing is said then surely it's a case of say nothing until our season is over come the weekend.

So rather than complain that the club is ignoring us, I'm inclined to see the silence as a positive.

22 Apr 2016 01:02:54
Exactly Toffee ace. If we lose badly on Saturday then I suspect he's gone after that. He'll not go before we're out of cup.

22 Apr 2016 01:26:30
I really do hope we win the cup. Even if it means rm stays til the end of season. Don't worry though lads I doubt we will.

22 Apr 2016 08:42:13
Yeah the cup game is key. And with all the injuries and suspensions, we are likely to have a half fit Barry at center back with a haalf fit Stones. for the first time in my 50 odd years supporting Everton, I will accept with grace a defeat knowing it will mean the manager will probably be sacked. This is based on the fact that a new manager will have longer to add to the squad andd rebuild the damage that RM haas done since taking over. I have caused uproar in the past on this site with my views about Martinez and the damage he was doing. I think the Lukaku signing papered over the cracks and without his goals, it would have been obvious to everyone that the players he was signing are just not good enough. I still differ with most others on this site who say we have a good squad. I disagree and think we have a very defensive squad with no or little creativity except for one or two players. I think we have too many players who are not natural goalscorers and some very promising kids who have been rushed in before ready, Stones and Barkley in particular. Too much weight was put on their relatively young shoulders. Lukaku's attitude stinks and although he is obviously a very gifted footballer with an abundance of goals, at times he walks around moaning at other players who are not giving him the perfect pass to run on to. Vardy at Leicester shows what a center forward should do. Closing down defenders and contributing effort to the team. Even Marcus Bend used to do this to great effect and Tim Cahill. Opposition defenders had no time on the ball with those two. I believe this is the chemistry that Baines was hinting at. A willingness to work your socks off for the teams cause. I would have dropped Barkley, Stones and Lukaku long ago (not all at he same time) and let them know they were being rested because they were not putting in the performances expected at EFC. I als would not have signed so many defensive minded midfielders and certainly not picked a minimum of 2 every game. Peter Reid was pointing this out the other night. so I am not alone now with this view. And finally I certainly would not sign Carrick, no matter how good he has been over the years. I would be looking with a magnifying glass at the lower leagues and the Irish leagues and any other leagues for a 20 year old, fit, gifted and promisisng creative midfielder (or possibly 2) to put into the 1st team squad with the intent of blooding them over the next 2 seasons. This has always been the Everton way in my lifetime and we have never been a journeyman club until recent years and in the main these signings have not taken the club forward.

21 Apr 2016 21:50:53
How's everyone doing lads

I've just been the gym and took some aggression out. Feel better. I'm hoping Sunday is the last I hear in a bad way of the clueless ones name

We will bounce back we all know it. Just soul destroying at the moment.

22 Apr 2016 07:01:41
Same here Pb78 best way of relieving stress is to beat the crap out of some inanimate object and I too find that relief in the Gym. Then I come home and see that the Phenomenal one is still in charge (and I do not mean the wife - (she told me to say that) ) , so starts all over again.

21 Apr 2016 21:32:13
This club is run unbelievably so bad.

I work for a major supermarket in Customer Services.
Drummed into us, a dissatisfied customer talks and spreads the words of dissatisfaction.

How do we react?
We do everything in our power to stop the rot at source and get the customer
back on our side!
Sometimes things escalate and the press come sniffing for a story.

How do we react?
Immediate internal enquiry with press release that our customers concerns are our concerns and we are acting to sort the problem out.

We are dependant on customer satisfaction.

This lot? Arrogant beyond belief, have always respected Bill but sorry lad, your 'Rabbits in Headlights' stance today is pathetic.

Taking us supporters for granted will not be forgotten by many of us.

C'mon Mr Woods sell 1% of your shares to Moshiri and let's clear out the dead wood of a club that's still living in the 1960s when Customer Services meant, 'Take it or leave it'.

22 Apr 2016 08:55:36
It is slightly different in football in that serious harm often happens with gut decisions. Managers are often given the dreaded vote of confidence and sacked a few days later. RM is very fortunate in that BK is very loyal with his employees. That also works in a poitive way sometimes. ie it galvanises people to know they do not have to look over their shoulders. However, he is no fool and a very successful man. I have no doubt in my mind that after Manchester United have knocked us out of the cup, there will be unrest within the squad. Lukaku is rapidly developing into a selfish arrogant twit who does himself no favours. which is incidently how we managed to sign him. Jose M saw that in him. Well Lukaku will have a hissy fit after Saturday's game and ask for a transfer. The squad moral will become untenible and BK will have no option but to put Big Dunc in temporary charge and continue his seach for a new manager. because believe me . he is already contemplating alternatives. His head is far from in the sand. it is in the clouds. dreaming of Everton success just like every other Evertonian.

21 Apr 2016 20:29:04
What a load of rubbish last night was I paid £120 for that rm leave now champs leaque lol you mean championship mr moshiri please sir do what's best for our great club who we love give it to big dunc and hibbert till the end of the season then get a top boss to take us were we belong i'd evan come down and give rm a lift to the train station.

21 Apr 2016 20:20:44
Here is a little shout to the players as well
Doing a Chelsea? Ha
Those players at Chelsea were a disgrace!
But let's put things in perspective
How many of those players have winners medals? Played under top managers? Cost a hell of a lot of money? Experience of playing at the top?
Let's look at the 11 men on the pitch last night.
Big big difference
They should have been playing their hearts out for the lads stood in blue and singing their names! The same lads who have followed them all over the country!
You're a disgrace!
John stones? Hasn't been the same since Chelsea wanted him! Get rid!
Lukaku? Ha here's a reality check for you lad, you honestly believe you're good enough for a top European club? Why? You are lazy at best. You have no skill. You are very outspoken about the club who has made you a top goal scorer and still you meander around the pitch like you are too good to be there. You mate are one interview away from sitting on the man city bench week in week out and if you think the supporters at one of these " top clubs" won't get on your back after performing like that, then you have some harsh reality coming your way. Get rid
Barkley? You don't even track back anymore and you honestly looked insulted by being subbed? You need to look at the poster with your face on it at goodisin and READ your own words again! I would keep him but get a manager who can develop him properly because he had zero confidence.
I can only heap praise on Joel Robles and tell the other non existent players to have a good look at a man who took the crap for 3 seasons and when he got his chance he grabbed it with both hands.
That lad gives his all in every game.
You can't stop playing just because you don't like tactics, you actually get paid because of the lads who stand in the crowd week in week out! The same lads you embarrassed so much that they left the ground or invade the pitch.
Best squad since the 80s?
Seriously I can't see that at all.

{Ed025's Note - i enjoyed that pablo mate..

21 Apr 2016 21:59:32
Good post Pablo. I agree with Robles and think the lad has shown enough to be our 1st choice keeper next season.

21 Apr 2016 23:31:22
Good post Pablo. Its the sad reality which is there for everyone to see now. Especially agree with your view on Robles. One positive at least. I know he let 4 in but made one hell of a save in the first 15-20mins.

Imho no need to spend big money on a keeper. Priorities spending it elsewhere.

21 Apr 2016 19:59:10
the silence is deafening!
Put all the anger aside and what have we learnt from RM tenure?
Simple fact is he is way out of his depth.
The players are no longer playing any type of cohesive football and more worrying is they aren't talking.
The board obviously have a plan and I am convinced it is based on the following .
They believe RM will bring silverware and have been dancing with death as far as our league status is concerned.
They believe if he delivers a cup in his short reign then he will be viewed as a success.
I am certain he will not be here next season as 2 semi final appearances will not be repeated by him.
The board know they're playing a dangerous game but they seem sure he will deliver silverware this season. They aren't as stupid or as ignorant as we may think.
I believe they have viewed bobby as a cup manager and NOT someone who is going to improve our league standing.
I think they know he cannot have another season and that this is his only chance remaining.
It makes more sense to view the current situation in this light because for the life of me I cannot see any other reason why he is still here.
Good luck Bill because this one is firmly on your head.

21 Apr 2016 21:37:34
Totally agree mate, Bill we've lost patience now, start to act.

21 Apr 2016 23:29:38
Your writing a lot of sense tonight Pablo another good post.

22 Apr 2016 09:27:46
Excellent post Pablo.

21 Apr 2016 16:25:28
Wow that fills me with deep joy, nothing to worry about then on Sat, by all accounts John Stones is fit to play we should win then, I I don't think so! GuernseyBlue.

21 Apr 2016 21:41:58
He'll be fine once shown not to mark a CF by standing in front of him in 6 yard box or passing a ball across his own area.
Most of us learnt that in Primary School.
(50 years supporting this club and I have to post that, words fail me) .

21 Apr 2016 18:37:50
I'm probably going to get a lot of stick for writing this, but it's how I feel.

If we come out Saturday all guns blazing and smash Man Utd to get to the FA Cup final. I'm gunna be pissed. To me that says alot. They've given up on the league and performing poorly on purpose to get rid of Martinez. And just out of curiosity if we do win this Saturday, who's tactics will we be using. If they are Martinez then what they only work when the team can be bothered.

21 Apr 2016 17:35:50
Have not posted on this site for a while but had to get a few things of the chest after last night . firstly WTF was he even thinking playing Oviedo at RB the lad had no right foot could not open himself up to go down the byline constantly having to try and come inside or playing back to keeper made us unbalanced from the off was never comfortable on the ball all night . I don't care how inexperienced Connolly is the lad is a natural RB and would have played like his life depended on it bad decision by the manager even Lennon would have been better there. secondly why take Barclay off who I no wasn't having his best game but as the only scouser on the pitch knew what it meant to the fans to at least work hard miralles was offering nothing as he has done all season another bad decision by the manager. Thirdly WTF was john stones on I have played amateur football for 20 years and have only once seen a player come off with a bad stomach but he had had no kip and 20 pints the night before but stil came back on after emptying himself stones lost his bottle when we needed him if he wants out let him go the same for lukaku who never broke a sweat all night. Last but no means least to the manager the guy has got to go Bk fell for this fraud because like him he talks a good game the guy had just been relegated with a team that could not defend beat us in the cup fluked the final then lands one of the best jobs in Epl. He was lucky in the transfer market because Barry had no other offers and lukaku only had us or WBA to choose from the players he brought were not good enough for everton kone Alcatraz even this niasse fella who in the half time warm up could not even pass the ball to cleverly every one else has been mediocre at best McCarthy Lennon Gerry . in his first year we played moyses way finished 5th goes away in the summer puts his stamp on the team comes back played some of the worst football seen last Xmas was a real bad patch Newcastle Stoke away finishes 11th did not think it could get much worse but this year has been an absoulte joke there is no coming back for this fraud he has to go . IMO I would like to see koeman a man who won everything as a player was schooled alongside pep by cruyf to become a top manager spurs went and got pochettio sorry for spelling, from Southampton so they will listen to offers for there managers and we should go for this guy.

21 Apr 2016 12:20:18
Ed25
Ain't watching sat can't do it why he is in charge and I'm sick of every week saying right let's get behind them, there is nothing to get behind the players are lost, no sense of what to do, how to attack, how to take a corner that's beats the first man, no midfield following up.
No game plan, nothing.
I couldn't care less about the Fa cup semi.
This fraud has totally destroyed my club, the fan who owns it is full of crap, he would not let this continue, wether were at Wembley or not.
How can people say taking moyes back is going backwards, if backwards means wining at home and finishing top4-6 then I say that better than what we got.
I personally don't want moyes, sheedy and unsworn till end of season.
As I said before bill was quick enough to be on tv when we beat a struggling Chelsea side in fa cup. What a manager. Well Bill come on tv now, look at the home record, look at the players, look at the fans, please find one fan who wants to keep him, find one fan that can tell you his game plan, tqctics, subs.
Not good enough Bill and all this is on your head.
Bill kenwright you have destroyed and made us to look like a total embarrassment world wide.
Well done.

21 Apr 2016 18:13:09
I have said that about Bill for years mate, but he has the lads here conned, and a big no to moyes.

21 Apr 2016 18:46:51
Not conned at all Stig, I just think that he gets all the grief when others hide in the background. We had a convo the other day about having three of them making the decisions and how BK will be gone once Moshiri is bedded in, I still think that stands. Woods left with around 60 mins on the clock, a good sign if you ask me.
Look at it this way fellas, Moshiri has paid a tidy sum to get his share in the club, with promises of extra cash to inject in the team. That's what we all wanted for many years isn't it? He is also going to address the stadium issue. Again, that is what we wanted. Despite what you think of him, BK has come good on his promise in my opinion. Moshiri doesn't, so far at least, look to be of the same ilk as some who have ruined English clubs. Therefore, I think we have no choice but to be patient and see what he has in store for us in the summer. He isn't going to spend vast amounts without having any control, that's partly why he left the gunners as he had no say.
I've been against DM coming back but right now I'd take anyone to replace this clown. With Moyes I'd only let him take over until the end of the season, no promise of the job at all. But in reality I would look at who's at the club already. Big Joe and big Dunc are both there, the former has managerial experience at the top level, and could step up until this season is over. Either way, this manager of ours needs to go asap. He has had more than enough time to showcase what he is about, unfortunately his methods and tactics are just not good enough.
It's been a hard 24hrs, probably will get a bit worse before it gets better too. But let's be positive (easier said than done I agree) as we have a lot to look forward to. We have entered a new era with Moshiri, come the summer we will be entering exciting times! I hope :)

{Ed025's Note - cracking post that spud mate..

21 Apr 2016 19:10:23
Cheers ed025. Think we are all a bit emotional just now, and rightly so, but we have been through worse as a club and came back stronger and we will do that again after our amigo is relieved of his duties. It's just a waiting game for me, there will only be one outcome but the question is when I suppose.

{Ed025's Note - yesterday was the nadir for me spud, i will have players being poor or out of form but to see such apathy and lack of effort is unforgivable for me mate..

21 Apr 2016 19:45:43
He's lost the dressing room for me ed, did do a while back I reckon. None of them seem to really want to play under him and that's reflected in their performances. Not saying it's right but it seems to happen to teams when they lose faith in their manager or when confidence hits rock bottom. Chelsea are the most recent example but it's happened to others and will do so again. It's crazy but it's like having 25 new signings when a new man comes in!

{Ed025's Note - even if they dislike the manager spud there is still no excuse for not trying..especially in a derby..the fans deserve better mate..

21 Apr 2016 20:33:04
Totally agree ed, I'm merely pointing out that it does happen and, I think, has happened to us. We will know if, and when, a new manager is appointed I suppose.

{Ed025's Note - lets hope its soon mate..

21 Apr 2016 07:53:44
Hi Ed I've just phoned work sick after that last night mate what was wrong with Stones we loose a defender then he takes another one off? It's time for a good clear our starting from the top.

{Ed025's Note - im with you on that one AB..

21 Apr 2016 15:13:15
right folks, last chance to get yourselves decent travel down to wembley, I have 2 tickets for the worldchoicesports charter train direct frm liverpool to wembley central, its 2 first class tickets priced at £220 for the pair, I am willing to let them go for half price, £110 for the pair, I have tickets here ready for pick up or drop off, hurry up and grab a bargain, the train is sold out.

21 Apr 2016 15:20:52
Paul,
Hope you have some luck but me thinks after last night you might have to pay people.

21 Apr 2016 15:25:14
probably right there mushy! the worst performance since the clown took over.

21 Apr 2016 13:28:24
Don't even know what to say about yesterday other than we pretty much new it was coming. Up until a few weeks ago I was on the side of we can't sack him until the summer but now I don't think it would do anymore harm than if he stayed.

Get rid now and put unsy in charge until the summer. He seems to be managing the u21s pretty well. I was around 3 months old when we last won anything and with him still in charge I just can't see that changing anytime soon even though we are only two games away from a cup and a place in the Europa league.

21 Apr 2016 12:44:53
Looking forward to Saturday hopefully the weather will be good. Nice present for my daughters 3rd birthday that she really is looking forward to, she can't wait to see her heroes in the flesh. Peppa pig world I'm talking about, did offer her a trip to Wembley but she doesn't like The Muppets.

21 Apr 2016 14:29:16
God Blue you could traumatise the little lass watching that shower!

21 Apr 2016 14:58:30
Brilliant, just shar I needed after last night.

21 Apr 2016 12:45:00
Yes the players bear some responsibility but think about this. He brought the same team with him that got Wigan relegated, insisted on changing the system so that a successful defensive unit look like a Sunday morning Team. The one success (Lukaku's form) is down to one of our own (Big Dunc) . His constant optimism and refusal to admit his methods just do not work have become wearing, resulting in the fans and players confidence being sucked dry, culminating in that embarrassment.

The board in particular Mr Kenwright, just have to see what is going on or perhaps the accusation of incompetence could be leveled at them. Finally, today I have to pick up my wonderful Grand Son, who this season turned to the dark side, what the heck do I say to him.

21 Apr 2016 11:57:15
First time posting but thought I had to have an input due to the lack of passion shown last night, I do not agree with the tackle from mori but feel he is the only player who showed passion and love for the club. Would love to see some of the academy lads getting a chance at Wembley especially Holgate or Davies.

21 Apr 2016 11:12:58
I had a call from my mate first thing this morning, great news I've got you 2 tickets for the semi top seats as well!
my first reaction was so surprising one of utter dread instead of utter elation, see what this man has done to this great club and its supporters!

21 Apr 2016 13:17:27
I'll take them off your hands wakka?! 😄

21 Apr 2016 10:32:42
I'm normally quite positive but last night knocked it out of me. We had a decent couple of minutes in the 1st half but the last 80minutes was dire really dire.

Trying to remain positive though and after searching really hard (all night as couldn't sleep) the only thing I could come up with is, we might see holgate make his Debut at Wembley. Hopefully with 1 or 2 of the other youngsters.

21 Apr 2016 10:04:00
If Kenwright will not man up and addmit his mistake, then surely the new owner should overule him, and finally free us from this fraud.

21 Apr 2016 09:51:40
I remember when it was announced we were looking to bring in Martinez and I was banging on about the club needing to show more ambition.

I'm not doing I told you so but this time we really do need to show ambition. We need someone with true experience of making a winning team and developing a young one.

We don't need a Howe or another Martinez. We need genuine pedigree. Look at last night as a perfect example. Martinez v Klopp and tell me that a potentially good manager is better than an experienced one.

21 Apr 2016 10:13:50
The problem at Everton is that we have a poor ageing unbalanced squad whereas Liverpool had a large squad that needed managing better.
We therefore need a manager that can start from scratch again, Martinez has destroyed Everton we are in a worse mess now than when Walter Smith was sacked. Therefore a man like Moyes is a good choice as he knows how to build a team from the bottom, so I now believe that at this time Moyes should come home, I could see how much he was hurting last night, he loves Everton and know how to do it.

21 Apr 2016 10:30:26
Spot on John. I and many more said exactly the same. and we were shouted down for doing it. just be content in the fact that we were right.

21 Apr 2016 09:24:46
The shocking truth is 1 year down the line we are still talking about the same thing.
We gave him a chance and look at us. Just leave.

21 Apr 2016 09:16:08
Well it's 9.15 and nothing, no announcement same old regroup.

A BLOODY DISCRACE KENWRIGHT.

21 Apr 2016 09:33:41
Hold on Mush, give it time kidder, usually happens around 2pm, if it happens.

21 Apr 2016 10:14:39
I'm under my rock. I was in tears last night.
Seriously he needs to go now, Bill why should he get to go to wembley, look at the state of us.

I love Everton but I can't watch another match why he is there.

21 Apr 2016 09:09:32
I know lukaku didn't look interested last night but the lad has played most of this season up on his own with 4 defenders kicking lumps out of him the tactics martinez employes are driving him and us nutts my God man play two men up front and why he never took oviedo off for cleverly is beyond me barkley was the only one who was supporting lukaku I woke this morning hoping to read he'd been relieved of his duties but looks like the powers that be are going to let this man get us hammered again on Sat ah well maybe I can pick up an extra shift at work on Sat.

21 Apr 2016 09:59:50
To be fair to Lukaku he had no support and never got the ball, I felt sorry for him.

21 Apr 2016 08:47:45
I think it's hilarious that Bill who supposedlyloves his club, would let this total idiot of a manager carry on, why he was made manager in the first place is beyond me, he got Wigan relegated so we hire him, never in the time he was at Wigan did he improve them, what credentials is that as a manager, oh yeah he won the cup the year they got relegated, I think Bill needs to leave because he's the reason we are where we are, last season was an eye opener, this season we should all be thankful we didn't get relegated, because if he's here next season we will be.

21 Apr 2016 10:00:31
Unfortunatly have to agree with you.

21 Apr 2016 08:21:49
What I liked about carragher last night was he said . everyone says this everton team are the best since the 80's. there not. that for me hit the nail on the head were not good not even close to being good. barkley stones are so overrated its laughable. lukaku is lazy and has so many flaws. then the rest of the team are average squad players. our fringe players are championship players.

This isn't a knee jerk reaction everton just aren't good. But as fans we want them to be and are blinded woth optimism.

21 Apr 2016 09:16:44
It's easy to jump on the band wagon mate but that is one thing I felt jc got wrong. Collectively, this group of players is more talented than any squad we have had in the Pl era. The problem is they are managed by an incompetent clown. Bring in a half decent manager and watch how much they improve.

21 Apr 2016 09:18:47
Barkley an stones are no way over rated there two young lads who are still growing as footballers an with one day be world class players trust me.

21 Apr 2016 07:53:44
Hi Ed I've just phoned work sick after that last night mate what was wrong with Stones we loose a defender then he takes another one off? It's time for a good clear our starting from the top.

{Ed001's Note - he was taken off sick according to the club.}

21 Apr 2016 08:19:01
I'm curious who on earth is going to play centre back for us on Saturday. Probably could have coped with any other position but that either getting injured or sent off. Will have to raid the U21's I think. Still. They might even be better than our defence this season.

21 Apr 2016 07:45:35
Morning Ed I've now had a bit of time to reflect on last night and it doesn't get get any better, I have been a Everton fan since the mid 60s and have been a great admirer of Bill Kenwright but now is the time to stand up and replace Roberto this is as bad as it gets we will get slaughtered on Sat the team are completely devoid of any fight or enthusiasm I don't think Rom even headed a ball last night and John Stones marking was awful also most of the team were at best mediocre, let's start afresh new manager and new team if need be, what's your take on this debacle, GuernseyBlue.

21 Apr 2016 06:46:23
Ed you know I've backed Bill, through all the bad but he is letting this carry on and that I can't defend. Never been so embarrassed team has nothing, and please don't let's say get behind them for the cup this was a derby no motivation needed.
He has to go

Ed sorry if it sounds like a pop at u it ain't mate u do a good job👍

We became a laughing stock worldwide.

{Ed025's Note - i am one of bills biggest fans as well pb but he has a job to do and needs to sort this mess out asap, that debacle last night has given me no reason to think we will fare any better on saturday mate..

21 Apr 2016 07:59:53
He should be sacked this morning. Unsy and speedy till end of season and get new manager now. That game went world wide.

20 Apr 2016 22:34:14
What do you have to say about that then Ed? I'm speechless, surely he will be sacked next week now?

{Ed025's Note - im gutted soli....sick as a sea going parrot mate and more than anything..embarrassed....