Everton Banter Archive October 20 2017

20 Oct 2017 20:30:46
RK will stay. he will come good!
The signings will come good!

We need to get off his back and support them all. we are considered one of the best set of supporters. let's show people why!

20 Oct 2017 23:38:00
I;m not a fan of Everton mate but I can't disagree more, the man is useless he is way out his depth, he hasn't a clue and standing by him will put you in a bigger mess then your already in. I admire your support for him/ the club but this time it won't work mate.

You will lose against Arsenal as you will against Chelsea, that is practically guaranteed, then what, still stand by him? There must be a time where you have to say enough is enough. That time if I was an Everton fan would be right now.

21 Oct 2017 12:00:31
Spot on Corleone. Although I would hate to lose to Arsenal and would love to get a result against Chelsea.

21 Oct 2017 12:10:22
Im with you cor. Nev did you just read Phil Nevilles article? The players don't want to play for him it's obvious. He keeps playing riduciculous formations and martinez and williams look broken and out of dept. Players are being used out of position. Confidence is shattered he is looking to get a payday. He blames refs players anybody but himself. You are just so wrong end of.

20 Oct 2017 19:59:16
Everyone now slating our signings. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. How many on here were slagging off the signings before the season started? Klaassen was the 24-yr old captain of a team that got to the Europa final last year, playing some of the best football on the continent. He got a heroes welcome back at Ajax even after he'd left the club! Pickford, Lookman, Vlasic, Onyekuru, Sandro are all young players with tons of potential. Keane was picked for England while playing for Burnley. Schneiderlin was very well thought of by fans at both Southampton and Man U. Go back and read the posts on here when we were after Sig and when Rooney signed again -was anyone saying we'd made a load of big mistakes this summer? And we may well not have done. (Martina aside) These players are talented. They are not playing well, to put it politely, but in today's market we bought good young talent at the going rate or less. Everyone can see what the problem is. Let's not do the usual thing and scream insanely about how useless is everyone involved in running the club. They made a mistake appointing Koeman. I think there were two of us on here at the time saying that was a mistake.

{Ed025's Note - you make some fair points there mate...kudos..

20 Oct 2017 20:59:41
COYB. I'll be honest I wanted RK. no longer, like you I think there is a wealth of talent. but some donkeys. Martina and Williams never in a million yes for me. I've never rated Williams. ever. but with right formation, and balance, I think we could have a very good starting 11. I think sandro, lookman, sigs and vilasic have tremendous potential for Everton. just not under rk.

20 Oct 2017 22:00:21
I have been against Koeman from day one and the majority of his signings - I said the following:

Klassen to lightweight for the prem
sandro does not want to be here - rather AM as this was his first choice
Keane is too much like Stones
Rooney is too old and no legs hence why Man u got rid off
martina is garbage
Sigs is decent on his day but these are far and few
Gueyre / shneids are average players at best
Pickford would be the only shining light from the dross Koeman has bought

I would say out of the 200 million + he has spent in the 3 windows I would say 150 mill has been wasted.

21 Oct 2017 04:19:11
anyone else think Idrissa Gueye is average? no, Thought not.

21 Oct 2017 09:29:38
Anything but average TA.

21 Oct 2017 10:12:53
Yeah I forgot about Gueye. And for the first time in living memory, we got nearly all of them in early. The signings are not the problem, although of course we should have got a striker. I was guilty of posting saying no way would we get that many new players in one window. This squad won't need to many changes to improve dramatically.

21 Oct 2017 10:18:07
It's difficult to judge the new signings when morale is low, the tactics are awful and the whole team is playing poorly. I'll reserve judgement on individuals until the next manager comes in (because it's inevitable now isn't it? ) and our form improves. Then the poor players will stick out like a sore thumb. Gana and Schneiderlin were awesome last season and you don't become awful in the space of 4 months.

20 Oct 2017 19:10:42
Just in the interest of Balance is there anyone who want him to stay - thumbs up for stay or down to go now. I can guess the outcome. I am thumbs down.

21 Oct 2017 10:15:08
I'm surprised at the closeness of the vote. Very interesting.

{Ed025's Note - a lot of them are probably liverpool supporters who are desperate for him to stay coyb.. :)

20 Oct 2017 14:19:37
Many contributors are commenting that EFC players are not good enough but I would dispute that .
The likes of Sig have not become bad players overnight in fact he is still doing the business for Iceland 🇮🇸
You can not tell me that the Watford squad is better than ours and yet look at their performances.
It all comes down to the coach and what he gets out of the players
I am convinced the same players are quite capable of beating anyone if managed correctly .
I was a manager in my time and it is easy as others have said . You have to be supportive, and certainly not scream and shout as imagine is his trademark.
Psychology plays a big part, make them feel wanted, give them confidence etc
Sadly he not got the correct attributes and needs to go
Payers will improve IMHO.

20 Oct 2017 14:58:13
which pro football club did you manage then trebor? XD.

20 Oct 2017 16:35:14
As you probably know WBlue I did not manage a football club but did several large hospitals and actually that is far harder to do!
What you manage is not the point it's all about the skills you use to bring out the best in what you got especially when you employed them yourself as Koeman did .
A lot of it is common sense .
Just look at what Burnley and Watford managers have done as they are managing their players were they are valued and feel part of a team .
Koeman sadly lacks these management skills and one of the worst things you can do as a senior manager is publicly croutes your team / staff as they will turn against you!

20 Oct 2017 18:04:13
Trebor. if u don't mind me saying mate you appear to be a wise chap. I agree with everything your saying. RK initially received plaudits for barricking Ross in public. problem is. he continued. and has alienated him. it's bullying. He then did the same with oumar niasse and Everton fans allowed themselves to be suckered into that . despite not witnessing the lad play 30mins of footy. I think the problem is that the biggest ego in the dressing room is RK. it's all about him when it's good and everyone but him when it turns bad. ergo his managerial and inter-personal skills are completely lacking. Add to that his complete lack of empathy with the fans, and it all makes a sickly concoction.

20 Oct 2017 19:43:53
I’m not sure if I agree with the policy of making the players feel wanted and putting an arm around them, in fact I think that’s part of the problem, they are employees there to do a job of work, contracted to contribute to the team in a joint effort to enhance performance, results, profile, etc, etc. It is NOT about the club pandering to the whims and demands of self acclaimed prima donnas getting paid vast sums of money for being, ( in some cases) mediocre at best. If they are not performing they need to be made aware, I remember a certain Sir Alex Ferguson and his no nonsense approach to his teams, no one can deny the respect, probably fear his teams had for him and his success and longevity speaks volumes about his career.
Not saying we need to crucify the players but they need to know who’s boss. Not too long ago we were applauding Koemans treatment of Ross and I still think he can do a job for Everton.

20 Oct 2017 19:43:53
Thanks for your kind words Jcl 1978 what is extremely interesting is Simon Jordan ex Crystal Palace has made a rather scathing attack on RK .
I don't normally take much notice of him but he sees it exactly as we do .
Why the hell can evryone see it Bar the board
Jordan has said RK not the right man, that he is basically a bully and thinks very highly of himself
He went on to say he even feels RK has lost it, that he is overweight, unshaven and terrible body language and is bad for Everton which is a marvellous club and should not be performing as they are
My opinion now is RK has gone BUT THE BOARD WILL NOT ANNOUNCE IT TILL NEXT WEEK
This is because it would be totally unfair on Unsworth who will he expected to work in an interim position to take over after the Arsenal and Chelsea games?

20 Oct 2017 19:58:38
Hope your right Trebor!

20 Oct 2017 20:08:56
Hugster, regarding SAF. nail on head. players had respect. and he earned that over the years. but he wouldn't have had the same respect in his first 2- 3 yrs. Putting money aside. if your boss publicly shamed you on numerous occasions in front of your whole company, or made you sit in an office all by urself purely because his predecessor hired u and he didn't think u were worth hiring, would u think that was fair? If u put the wages aside for a moment I don't see how anyone would agree that to be professional gentlemanly behaviour. none of us would like it.

20 Oct 2017 20:11:15
A couple of points to agree with Trebor. The players are good, in fact some of them are excellent. The manager does impact it massively, hence why Joe Royle made a nightmare situation for us into an instant derby win and the last meaningful silverware we won.

Simon Jordan is for me very annoying but a lot of the time bang on with his opinions. And I thought he was right about the way Koeman looked. Although I would wonder how much he knows him to comment on the other stuff.

I also think that good communication with staff at all levels is by far the most effective way to manage.

I will say though that I’m genuinely gutted it’s not working out. Most of all because like everyone else I want us to win everything there is. But also because I thought we were going places under him but now it looks like he will have to go.

20 Oct 2017 09:29:27
going to be a long one this chaps so hold on to your hats

managers lost the players not once do any of them look over to him for help and its because they are not buying in to what he's getting across to them, loss of players and the fans only ever results in one ending for a manager, think we all know what this is

as well as big Ronald our transfers need looking at seriously what player have we brought in since the mighty steve walsh came who anyones thought yeah he's improved our side massively? none with the exception of pickford? you can tell which are managers signings and which are SW signings which is appalling and not the way to run a football club

I know this was said last time we had this situation (Martinez) but the whole club needs looking up and down at.

as to new manager? who do you start with? unsworth isn't ready and this needs to be looked at sensibly, it would be great if he came in and done well, but to be the club we think we want to be is not the answer right now
rafa? can't see it
dyche and howe not good enough for a club our level perfect for their level of team, vie wmoyes as prime example as manager who made step up
ancelotti not realistic

so this is the hardest parts would love your thoughts fellas?

20 Oct 2017 10:36:04
Never thought I would ever say this as I didn't like his style of play but I would take notes back right now to steady the ship, I know I know as I said I never thought I would ever say that. Just going to give my head a wobbly.

20 Oct 2017 14:09:17
I'm thinking RK abrupt style has impacted the players confidence all across the squad. I think the new signings could come good under New leadership. Let's not write them off just yet.

20 Oct 2017 15:12:21
tallaghtblue fair comment mate could very well do.

20 Oct 2017 07:24:04
Thought we were much improved last night thanks to RK actually playing 2 wingers. That being said, DCL had no service (and never looks like scoring anyway) and yet again our slapstick defending let us down.

For me it's a 442 on Sunday:

Pickford
Holgate Keane Jags Baines
Mirallas Gana Davies Vlasic
Niasse Rooney.

20 Oct 2017 08:43:13
Sorry to say it but Holgate worries me, forget the pen he gave away last night, he's just not doing it for me.

20 Oct 2017 09:12:45
dont know why you'd drop Williams after arguably being the only player trying to pump the team to get going last night, but not Michael keane who was absolutely awful.

20 Oct 2017 09:27:28
Most of that Team but move holgate into CB alongside Jags and bring in Kenny at RB. Points: Koeman will not drop Schneiderlin or Rooney, but His job is on the line now so you never know. Mind you this is one of those games that Mr Moshri meant when he said expected results so hey ho. Idea how about playing Lookman just behind Rooney (striker) .

20 Oct 2017 10:19:26
I'd have 2 up top. But one would be Mirallas. Can play up top and would be a pain in the arsenal defences posterior.

20 Oct 2017 10:54:48
I'd drop Williams because I don't feel that he's fit enough to turn in a quality performance after playing on the Thursday. Jags and Williams don't work together as they are so slow it's unreal. And that's not even taking into account Williams' poor behaviour.

Kenny is a good shout, I stopped short of that because I thought a bit of experience was needed in the defence. Lookman behind Rooney wouldn't be a bad shout either.

20 Oct 2017 12:28:55
personally think Michael keane is a hell of a lot slower than the pair of them, seen milk turn quicker than the kid last night.

20 Oct 2017 14:09:36
Me too chalkie I he seems to slow the play down when he gets the ball.

20 Oct 2017 14:24:30
For me Keane and Holgate are making bad decisions also they are not physically imposing enough!

19 Oct 2017 23:32:54
Ed 25, one question mate how long has Koeman got left with Everton surely time is nearly up, shame really but there is something wrong there behind the scenes.

{Ed025's Note - not very long i would suggest stef, i dont think he can fix it to be honest mate..

20 Oct 2017 08:34:34
Thanks ed. My feelings exactly.

{Ed025's Note - i wish i was wrong stef but i dont think i am mate..

20 Oct 2017 04:30:00
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Premier League Preview Friday 20th October 2017

20 Oct 2017 00:17:45
I have to state this to all you who think we should give Instructions a go.
He has no senior team management experience. The step up from u23's to seniors is enormous. I believe a stint as assistant manager would be beneficial.
I welcome any feedback.

20 Oct 2017 06:13:39
Turn predictive text off 😂

Im guessing u meant Unsworth and agree with you totally mate.