Everton Banter Archive January 20 2015

20 Jan 2015 20:33:08
It really is pointless regurgitating with varying slants the reasons behind our dismal performances, but I would like to offer a word of advice to Bill.
From personal experience the hardest thing to do is to dismiss an employee.
The realisation, in the real world, that you are taking away a persons livelihood and inflicting pain and uncertainty on the family concerned makes the decision heart rendering.
However, taking personalities out of the process, the decision always comes down to what is in the best interests of the company and the employees that remain.
Football, with the Murdoch money, is not the real world. Managers and players are paid outrageous salaries way out of line with highly qualified professions who have more responsibilities and pressures to deal with.
In this respect Bill you will not be inflicting any form of hardship on RM, certainly not financially, as a season in the premiership guarantees security for life.
However, you are guardian of a footballing heritage and with that comes a responsibility to a knowledgable fan base that spend part of their wages supporting our great club.
You too are an Evertonians through and through and like all supporters you deserve better than what is being served up by the present regime.
All supporters are aware we are not a club that readily takes to sacking managers after a period of poor results, but when the timescale of under performance puts the Premiership status of our great club in jeopardy action is not only necessary but urgently required.
Bill do what is needed to safeguard the positive future of our club.

{Ed025's Note - cracking post that fancy..quality mate cheers..

20 Jan 2015 22:37:55
Fancy Smith: top post that, mate.

Great post that, agree 100%!

21 Jan 2015 06:47:19
Well said FS, great post. It is imperative that Bill, and the rest of the board for that matter, put both RM and us supporters out of this misery

20 Jan 2015 19:40:38
Some players giving half hearted performances to speed up their exit in the transfer window if not now then in the summer 4 sure.
The mirallases & colemans want champions league football sooner rather than later & they ain't going to get it here unless we win Europa league

20 Jan 2015 18:58:02
Martinez, 'You don't see many games in the Premiership when the opposition has no shots on target'.
No Roberto and as an Everton supporter for nearly 50 years I can't remember any Everton team at home against such poor opposition having only one which was like a back pass to their goalie in the first half.

But at least we now know why Besic was brought off, he was injured! Yer right.

Leighton saying 'we need a break', not as much as the poor bst**ds who pay your wages son.

Just waiting for Bill Kenwright to come on radio in tears over Deidre (which is sad) and not the mess he has single handedly created at our great club.

Nil Satis.? Then act Kenwright

20 Jan 2015 19:52:03
Bit harsh on BK Mushy, you remember the Johnston years as well as me mate!
I think RM has pulled the wool over a lot of peoples eyes, especially overachieving like we did last year. Unfortunately, finishing with a record point haul has probably bought him more time than he should be afforded. I think we should judge him on the season Wigan got relegated as we can make comparisons. Did he stick to his guns and his 'philosophy' the season they dropped? Damn right he did. Has he shown he is going to change our style and system? Has he shite. The next few months are going to be as bad as it gets for us fans I feel

{Ed025's Note - thats my worry as well spud..

20 Jan 2015 18:23:13
The silence coming from BK is deafening surely its time to get his head out of his shit shows and be a bloody chairman for once just do the right thing and sack him please. Never thought I'd say this but I'd rather have the wally with the brolly.

{Ed025's Note - instead we got the fraud who has us bored..

20 Jan 2015 17:17:31
On that performance I don't think Jagielka, Baines and Barkley will be in England's next team. Stones will definitely play. He is also a definite future club captain if he stays. He may be young but why not start next season with him as captain.
When you consider the majority of Evertons team last night were current or past internationals it makes the performance even more pathetic.

What we have to remember, is that this is the same bunch of players that performed so well last season. With the addition of McGeady. I am sure that although each player is one year older, they have not all suddenly become past it. There must be another explanation. The only explanations that I can com up with are: Team spirit is less. Tactically something is wrong. All the other clubs are much better. Some other factor that I have not thought of is the difference. Out of all these possible reasons, my heart tells me it must be tactics. Last night RM said we were really good first half when we controlled the game and restricted WBA to very few opportunities. He added that second half we were a bit more "gun ho" and this is expected when you are chasing a game and it gives the other team more opportunities. My own assessment is completely the opposite. I thought we were too cautious and created very few opportunities first half ourselves. I though the middle part of the second half was much more exciting and controlled the game more and looked more likely to get a goal. I therefore blame RM's tactics and idea of how to win games. Hence we have drawn so many.

20 Jan 2015 19:15:02
On current form, them three shouldn't even be playing for our first team! But RH likes defensive minded players (note his choice for world player) so at least two will be safe. Although I think that Stones will be a club captain, whether at EFC or with someone else, it is a little bit early in his career. He still has a lot to learn with regards to the position he plays in, I'd rather he mastered that first. Exciting to think how good he is now and how good he will be in the future. Providing we can keep hold of him.
Degsy, I don't think we were too cautious in the first 45 last night. We were patient on the ball, often going back or sideways. The main reason for this, I thought, was the movement from our attacking players was poor, far too rigid. They didn't seem to be in the right positions at the right time, confidence is lacking throughout. But with you on the tactics shout mate. RM is doing himself no favours at all. The best managers can mix it up depending on who they are playing. They don't stick to plan A every game and hope for the best like our manager. A defeat against Palace should see BK pull the trigger but, IMO, that is too late. We need action now before it gets any worse. The squad team spirit is obviously fractured which is not something we are used to at Goodison. Even with less talented players in recent history, the togetherness has pulled us through at times. This is sadly missing.

Agree with what you say Degsy, although one thought has come to mind to add to the mix. Do you remember back in 94 when Big Joe was appointed? One of the first thing he had to do was bring in fitness coaches as the players were so unfit.

We had a shambles of a preseason, and as you say basically the same squad as last year has not become past it within a few months. With extra European games and not being as fit to start with maybe has a part to play?

I have to say in my humble opinion, we are dead certs for the drop. We won 5 games earlier on.2 of which we were lucky to. Since then we have been terrible until the last 3. In the last 3 we have been average. Its always 60 odd% possession with no penetration. Almost like a training session. I preferred the football under Moyes.

{Ed025's Note - if you believe we are certs degs...go to a bookies mate you will make a fortune..

No way could I bring myself to bet against us like that Ed. Likewise, as much as it hurts, I would still be supporting in the Conference.never mind the Championship.

I forgot to say why. as explained in my other posts below, I firmly believe the reason for our poor performances lies with tactics. RM has stated that we will not change the tactics. Enough said.

20 Jan 2015 15:56:38
Anyone else notice how pissed Besic was coming off! Only highlights the boys passion and desire to win, the one thing we needed, what a disgraceful substitution it was!

Yeah, from where I was sitting just for a second it looked like he was going to nut el Bob. Agree the substitution was a disgrace but like you say the lads passion is a credit to him.

If you go back to when bk interviewed rm for the job.he asked him how he beat city in the cup final.rm ripped a fag packet open and put his tactics on the back of it. I still think he can put all his tactics on one fag packet. he's got to go.

Bet it was a pack of 10!

20 Jan 2015 17:05:27
According to Kirkdale (i think), Besic was injured and had a bandage on his foot when he collected his MOTM award. And that's the reason he went off.

{Ed025's Note - i have heard he was injured as well QB..

Well if he was injured and reacted that way to coming off, we need to buy more Besic's because he obviously has the heart for the fight!

He was injured. Bruised foot

20 Jan 2015 15:13:53
palace (a), lpool (h), chelsea (a), leicester (h), arsenal (a), stoke (a), that's our next 6 games I honestly think we will get 4 points from those game, 1 away to palace and 3 at home to leicester, what do you think?

20 Jan 2015 15:02:11
Hey first time back, ed and everyone judeging by speculation, if we sell mirallas what will his valuation be for you I just can't put my finger on his price i'm going with 20mill thanks

We'll be hard pushed imho to get £10M plus for him given his injury record (hamstring and ankle), his attitude (the penalty), and his length of remaining contract (end of next season) AND especially if we want to get rid (which doesn't seem to be the case, although many fans now think we should) to a Champions League club (domestic or foreign) who will no doubt play hard ball over the transfer fee.

{Ed025's Note - i think he is the type who would be willing to sit on the bench until his contract expires myself sid..

20 Jan 2015 13:56:45
Have to question Roberto's decision last night. Why play Naisy wide right when he is a natural No. 10 and Dross is clearly not motivated (pulling out of tackles e.t.c)?
Why take off Besic and leave Dross on?
Why when Kone come on was he having to come deep all the time?

I am a massive Mirallas fan and don't agree with what he did. if he isn't playing for the team then he should go.

Thought Besic & Stones were awesome, and loads of enthusiasm & effort from Oviedo.

Onwards & Upwards(hopefully)

In fairness I thought Barry was one of the better players last night. Only Barry, besic and stones looked half decent the rest of them were a bunch of muppets. It was so bad I'm still beyond livid

20 Jan 2015 13:12:35
is it just me or do we all think we are in deep trouble?

out of form
manager clueless
dressing room trouble
old squad

he either needs to leave or be sacked or show some bloody balls . change his tactics, drop the big names who aren't performing. every evertonian including me must feel some kind of heartbreak watching what's happening to us. time for something to give now ad like to see

joel
browning jags stones garbutt
mirallas barkley besic baines
lukaku naismith

{Ed025's Note - i agree that our full backs have been poor dazza, but throwing the young guys to the lions would be a massive gamble, i dont want mirallas or barkley in there either, im afraid ross is just not up to the task, and while kev is possibly our best player his attitude stinks mate..

21 Jan 2015 09:20:35
i agree ed but at the moment with injuries we have no1 better . a really think we are in deep water now no win since qpr at home while back is shocking and relegation fodder

not to mention our squad probably being the oldest

osman
howard
pienaar
alcaraz
hibbert
jags
distin
gareth barry
sam eto

there too old in football terms , how are we going to replace them? jags maybe couple years left but he looks a shadow of his former self , was my fav player , but he's been awful

{Ed025's Note - when you actually see it down on paper dazza you can see how old the squad really is mate, frightening really..

21 Jan 2015 09:47:25
exactly ed I've been saying it on here for ages with people moaning about us, and its there for us all to see our squard is too old and not good enough

ontop of that we have sick notes in mirallas and gibson who can't stay fit kone whos 31 and always injured . there's 13 players ed. 11 are 31 + 2 are sick notes

{Ed025's Note - your not making me feel any better about the situation dazza!.. :)

21 Jan 2015 13:19:56
sorry ed , but there's a lot of people on here who are wearing blue tinted glasses. unless kenwright has the balls to eitehr sack rm or tell him he has to turn it around and quick were in trouble , if we don't sign anyone in jan - I fear the worst

20 Jan 2015 12:17:44
Sly Sports Interviewer;
"Roberto, when do you see the teams current run of bad form turning around?"

Roberto:
"This is a current run where we find ourselves enjoying our football and is reeellee pleasing to bee fullee committed and see the character of the cloob shining throo."

Sly sports Int;
"Yes but you are perilously close to the drop zone and are increasingly being sucked down into a relegation dogfight that, with all due respect I don`t think either you or the players have the stomach for."

Roberto: "Yes we are meeeteeng these challenges with a smile and enjoying our football, playing with smiles on our faces as we enjoy our football and playing weeth a smile on our faeces as we enjoy our football."

Sly sports Int;" Roberto what happens if you are relegated?"

Roberto: " We weel be presented with a fantastic opportuneety to return to the preemieership as soon as wee can and we weell play our football weeth a smile on our faeces."

Sly sports Int:
"Roberto do you understand the proud history and heritage associated with this football club? What it means to this great city and what this great club means to the supporters from all over the world, do you understand the responsibility you have as steward of the club, the expectations, the desire, the passion of those fans, do you understand the fans commit for life and so journey through their lives suffering and celebrating everything this great institution succeeds at or fails with, Everyday life is affected by this Everton, We live and breathe BLUE, are you aware of ALL of this? Do you understand? Roberto?"

Roberto; "Que?"

ssn Int; "Excuse me?"

Roberto;

"Pleesee Mr. Fawlty. HHHMMMM, . Hhhmmmm, sorry about that what was your question again? Oh! em Yes. We weel be enjoying theees fantastic opportunity to bee very focused and work hard to smile weeth our faeces and play weeth ourselves"

Sly sports Int; "Roberto, you`re talking B_llox "

Roberto; "Thank you"

{Ed025's Note - i enjoyed that hugster..

Hugsterefc: Good funny read that! I like RM being Manuel to BK being Basil Fawlty. I wonder which other characters in that show would equate to certain posters on this site?

That raised a smile right around the workshop on an otherwise morbid day. Top post mate!

Sibil Faulty at Goodison last night. The person next to her said "who is that man over there on the touch line chewing gum, screwing his face and
throwing his arms about".
Sibil says " That's Roberto, he's from Barcelona".

20 Jan 2015 20:52:35
I'd have BK as the major; terribly nice chap but living in his own little world from 30 years ago and totally out of touch with the real world.

20 Jan 2015 10:56:31
Evertonians pride themselves on knowledge of their club and of football by singing "If you know your history".
Well, if anyone knows their English history, they'll know what Oliver Cromwell said to an ineffectual parliament: "You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately. Depart I say and let's have done with you. In the name of God, go!"
I was one of those fans who was very pleased with the appointment of RM - and was hugely encouraged by last season - but now I see no belief in the fans let alone the players. If we get into a last-day must-win scenario (like in the 1990s), then I don't see RM or these players having it in them to survive.
So, with a heavy heart - and with my joints aching from all of the recent knee-jerk reactions - I implore BK to replace RM and save our football club and ensure the continuation of our club's sixty seasons of top-tier football. We've only ever spent four seasons outside the top tier: that's a proud record that we are now putting at serious risk with the current situation.
There'll be plenty of time at the end of the season to reflect on what actually happens, but for now just hoping for the best and thinking that we're too good to go down isn't going to cut it in the ruthless and realistic world of competitive Premier League football.
Act now!

{Ed025's Note - i cant see that happening sid, as much as i admire bill hes not the sort of character to fire a manager at this stage, by the way, all this happening to us is a joy for the media, they are loving every minute of it!..

I have spoken about misplaced loyalty before and like most I admire Bill for getting us away from Johnson. However, I thought it was a knee jerk reaction to appoint Roberto and do not feel proud in being vindicated. Last season we played more direct passing football but honestly believe that Roberto's thinking had not really sunk into the Squad. His style and philosophy is just not suited to the intensity of the Premiership resulting in Everton playing scared. Over the next couple of days Bill really has to examine his conscience and do what is best and that is tell Roberto to go because I tell you retaining him will result in us going down.

I have always had reservations about RM as Ed025 will testify

Last season I almost conformed to the opinion that he was the right man for the job etc.

This season however he has looked like the guy I identified in the first place

This league doesn't lie, there is no reading between the lines at all

It says quite clearly ' in view of the quality of Evertons squad Roberto Martinez has seriously got it wrong'

I wholeheartedly agree! :(

{Ed025's Note - so do i mate..

20 Jan 2015 10:14:05
Hi Fellow Blues
Never posted before but have been visiting the site for a couple of years now.
This post is now really out of pure frustration. But for me Mirallas must now go and take Samuel with him. Not disputing the quality or talent, but his petulance, non defending and overall attitude are abysmal. He is not a team player and will never be. I can't say I know what is going on internally but judging from last night he might not be the best to have around currently. Maybe that is why Aiden gets picked ahead of him. Just my view, and my apologies for the above but I needed to get it out.

{Ed025's Note - i agree SA..

Thank you Ed025. can't believe I'm saying this but can't wait for Osman, Mac and Pienaar. Ross and Barry need to be benched.

{Ed025's Note - ossie will at least give us a bit of craft and guile SA, and macca will give us some energy, pienaar needs to buck his ideas up for him to make a difference as well, but ross does need to be taken out of the firing line for his own good mate..

SAToffee: until this season, I wasn't impressed by KM's effort. This season, he started playing like he meant it - maybe he was playing for a transfer!
However, the penalty fiasco was beyond the pale. I say get rid of him now before his valualation lowers.

{Ed025's Note - count me in on that sid...big head no bread in the house..

Reports say he is 7/2 to go to spurs aron lennon an 5 million would do for me

Km is quality, that we need imo, don't need his attitude though if it were spurs he goes to, i'd be asking for dembele and lennon straight swap

{Ed025's Note - christian eriksen or the money for me dazza..

If KM wants CL football - which clearly isn't on the cards at Everton next season (!) - then why would he go to Tottenham? Other than Arsenal, I don't see the likes of next season's likely other English CL qualifiers (Chelsea, ManCity, ManUtd) being interested in KM. More likely some CL club in Europe (Dortmund?) would be his destination. We just need to get top dollar for him before his contract runs down.

{Ed025's Note - the dosh would be very welcome sid...but more importantly for me would be a statement from the club that he will be shown the door for being an absolute prat that wont be tolerated by this club, as a warning to any other prima donnas who think they are bigger than everton fc..

Ed025: your wished-for reaction of the club to KM would be welcome and a breath of fresh air - which is why I'd be pleasantly (and amazedly!) surprised if it actually happened. I suspect that the more critical the fans become, the more entrenched that RM will become in sticking to his "principles" and the more BK will stick to his "don't panic and stick by his choice of RM" attitude and the more the club will meekly and cravenly forgive the indiscretions and failures of the players no matter what they're costing us.
:-(

20 Jan 2015 09:24:53
One less game to go in the league and we are still 5 to 6 wins from safety. We have only beaten wba away burnley away villa home qpr home and a west ham team with 4 to 5 players injured at home. Our run of fixtures now is tough. The game last night; Mirralas shouldn't have taken the penalty, we are lucky enough to have a reliable penalty taker in baines let him take it. Jags should have taken the ball off him and gave it to baines and put him in his place. If Kev was carrying a knock it is even worse. I think barkley needs to be taken out of the team for a few games for his sake, whether he stays at everton or goes he needs to be out of the team. I feel a bit sorry for the lad in one way the crowd were really turning on him last night and as a blue he wants to do well. however he doesn't help himself pulling out of tackles and giving ball away, maybe all the hype around him has proved too much. In the style of roberto martinez let's look at the positives, Stones had a good game and at one point was driving us forward down the right wing, class act that lad. We kept a clean sheet however you will not see many teams with as little endeavour as that come to goodison. Very worried now relegation or at least the battle is looming with two many players who haven't got a fight in them. A manager who appears to have lost the dressing room and has lost a signifucant part of the crowd. It is obvious no changes will be made before the end of the season so I think we are down to a hope and a prayer.

{Ed025's Note - i agree with that sean, jags for me is too nice a guy to be captain, he is very weak for me, and that is not a knee jerk as i said so before the game last night, ross is such an enigma, he has bags of talent but always flatters to decieve, and taking him out of the spotlight would do him a favor imo, i do believe that bobby has lost the dressing room as well which is not good, and now is the time for the players to stand up and be counted, we have the ability and players to get us out of this mess though so not all is lost mate..

The ability is there ed that's the frustrating thing. I said to my mate last night this would be the best group of individuals to be relegated from the premiere league ever. But not the best team because they do not like a team at the minute. Arguing over penalties, lots of pointing on the pitch it is so disjointed.

{Ed025's Note - tell me about it sean..

Agree with ed on jags not being captain material. The only stand out contenders for me would be naisy, Jimmy mac or maybe Coleman.players who can be vocal on pitch and give others a rollicking

20 Jan 2015 08:46:19
What about approaching Sczezney for a loan deal. Not a bad risk and as a goal keeper he can smoke his lungs out if he wants.

On a more serious note, let's get behind the lads. Sure mistakes have been made, but I am sure of 1 thing, positive energy from the crowd is a big factor for morale and filters through to better performances.

{Ed025's Note - i dont think the supporters can share any blame in this smeggs, they pay good money to go home and away to watch that dross, yet always get behind the team, its hard sometimes when you know we can be so much better, pass pass pass can be so frustrating, ross must have touched the ball about 100 times last night, yet never one of them meant anything..im not saying dont be vocal in your support mate, just that it can be very hard at times..

I said before the game the crowd would be edgy in truth it was dead. Best atmosphere was at half time. The problem is they do nothing exciting enough to get the crowd going. There were parts of that game were I was genuinely bored and down right depressed with what was being played.

{Ed025's Note - thats what i was saying to sa90 sean, its easy to say support and be vocal and enthusiastic, but when we see predictable boring ineffective play like last night its really hard mate..

Sure you are right Ed. It is hard to keep smiling under such circumstances. Controlling negativity is bloody difficult. All I am saying is the team needs us in hard times.

{Ed025's Note - i agree with that smeggs mate, but you have to realize that its just as hard for us supporters..

Ed I understand what you are syaing but unfortunately its human nature to lose confidence when you are being slagged off. don't get m wrong I am not happy at all with the way we are playing but we will not do ourselves any favours by being negative towards the team on match day. just as an aside not I thought last nights performance was not dissimilar to some of our performances under DM. We controlled that game completely but just could not get a goal.

{Ed025's Note - we never looked like scoring mate..

20 Jan 2015 06:44:15
I started following Everton after watching them lose to Liverpool in the FA Cup in 1986. All the muppets here wanted to follow Liverpool because of Craig Johnson but I went and followed Everton. I was 13 so I ain't born and Bred. I have only seen Everton when they toured Australia and I went around the country watching all there games. I have booked a trip next year to England to watch Everton play. So I am pleading with the supporters there, Swan, Degsypulford, Cowpat Sid or Jonesy we need to start a demonstration, rally whatever you want to call it demanding Martinez Out. The people need to be heard. This man is killing this great club and if he continues to the end of the year we will be relegated. Its getting to the point where things are getting scary. I remember listening on BBC radio when Everton were to 2 nil down to Wimbledon and I was crying. I don't want that feeling ever again but I can't see things improving. I feel like coming over to the UK (even though I can't afford it yet) and try and save my club that I love only second to my wife and Kids and starting a campaign to get rid of Martinez. Please someone do something.

Aussie, I hear what you say. But I want to just explain some fundamental things about running a football club.no matter what the level. I have posted many times on here about people saying, "this player. or that player is crap. Get rid of them!" This sounds like the logical thing to do. I have upset quite a few people on here this season by suggesting they know nothing about running a club because before you get rid of someone, you must have someone else who you consider better to take over. That goes from the Chairman to the tea lady. Right now, we have no one lined up to take over from RM. Nor Bill Kenwright. We must stick with both for 2 reasons. 1. we will not find a replacement straight away. 2. we are at a critical stage of the season and to have a "rudderless" ship so as to speak would be a disaster. We must plan ahead. We must also give our support to the players who go out every week training and playing and giving their all. I believe (and have always believed) that RM inherited a good squad. I also believe he made a great signing in Lukaku. I also believe he has the players scared to break from defence quickly. The 2 full backs in particular seem reluctant to get to the bye line and whip crosses in like they used to. That does not make us a bad team overnight. Some of RM's signings have been questionable. Selling Anichebe and replacing with Kone. Atsu, McGeady, Barry, McCarthy, will score no more than 2 goals per season between them. I got shouted down by some of my fellow supporters for suggesting this, but fact is I am correct. I also pointed out that Baines and Coleman are suffering from a lack of Osman and Pienaar. I was again shouted down in certain quarters. Hopefully these two will return and we will also start breaking out quicker and getting those whipped crosses in. Right now we need to remain calm and pull together.get behind the players. and yes. RM too. Otherwise we will really fall apart and see the Championship quicker than the back of Mirallas!

Degsy, spot on except for the part about Ossie and Seamus down the right IMO the best partnership is Kev and Seamus, I always thought Ossie played better in the middle of the park.

We can't stick with Martinez degsy. Players don't have the freedom and the game plan looks shot. We are being exposed all over the park. Then he never subs Barry. Always someone else. We will be relegated if Martinez is not sacked. Who can we get. I don't know. Maybe Sir Alex Ferguson till the end of the season (that's out of left field). Don't worry about a payout. Cause when we get relegated we will lose a lot more money. Sponsors will jump off! TV money gone. He has to go and he has to go now.

20 Jan 2015 02:13:38
Did the team just set the all time PL record for the product of time of possession multiplied by completed passes? It is a shame that we can't be awarded a goal for fabulous repetitive passing.

To borrow a phrase from golf, at least 99% of the balls that don't make it to the hole never go in.

Uggh. at least Besic and Stones looked solid. Unsure-Kev's PK was awful.

Can we get Big Vic back. He can stand his ground with an army climbing on his back, and his feet are are less the cement blocks that Rom wears.

Also. perhaps we need to figure how Southampton sold off players and ended up in the top 5.

20 Jan 2015 00:04:05
RM can be as positive as he likes, and he can praise the players's desire to do better as much as he likes, and he can complain about refereeing decisions as much as he likes, but the only things that count in football are results and accumulating points and that simply means our team scoring goals and our team not conceding goals. Be that - both offensively and defensively - from open play or set pieces doesn't matter: they all count however they're scored.
Once the players cross the white line onto the pitch, it's up to them to perform. However, it's up to RM to prepare the players - mentally, physically, technically, and tactically - and if he can't do that in a way that gets results, then I have to concede that he hasn't turned out to be "the right one, the bright one" and BK should bring RM's tenure to an end.
So sad, but our club must not be allowed to fail :-(

{Ed025's Note - i agree sid..