Everton Banter Archive August 20 2011

20 Aug 2011 21:14:54
We had Anichebe, Vellios and Saha on the bench and Yakubu in the stands. Fellaini should never have been even considered.

We need changes, is it not worth giving the yak and velios a run out against sheff u? I hope we put in a good performance on wednesday and get back on track {Ed025's Note - me too..

Fellaini should have been starting in the first place, he actually did show some threat up top too {Ed025's Note - i think so too..we were far too negative..

20 Aug 2011 21:10:09
The Moyes question is an interesting one.

The man has done a hell of a lot to make Everton better but his weaknesses are blatant and have been there a long time.

- Substitutions are laughable at times
- Team selection is usually too obvious
- The formation is ridiculous. 451 is only used to fit Cahill in I'm sure of it.
- And many more...

Now, there's been people bringing put the 'Moyes Out' banners and I really don't know where I am on that.

As pointed out he has his weaknesses. But who could we get who is better? And perhaps more interestingly, who would want to manage us? The chairmans words this week have not exactly made us look attractive.

Moyes In or Moyes Out?

I have no idea. {Ed025's Note - definately IN..he has not become a bad manager overnight!...lets not be so fickle..IMWT,,

Moyesie is a hard task master and gets them fit and usually motivated. Apart from that he doesn't have a lot going for him. What you're seeing is the shelf life of the team he put together gradually crumbling away over the past two seasons as they crack on in age and self belief. The manager has stayed the same and the scenario he works in has changed. But he seems to be happy with that so hey ho.... {Ed025's Note - im not blaming moyes...look higher up the ladder..

Don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming Moyes 100%, I was disgusted at Jags' distribution. I'd sell him in a heartbeat if we'd actually get any of the money to spend and to be fair, Arteta, Felli and Saha let Moyes down when they came on. I'm not asking for Moyes' head and probably never will, but I got a bit closer today. {Ed025's Note - i take your point.

I don't mind the idea of playing with no strikers for a few minutes, I don't think Moyes is completely clueless, we were actually behind on possession stats at the time and playing 4-6-0 for a short time to sort of stabilize the team, control the midfield and build momentum before we bring on more attacking options is a reasonable decision.

So I can understand Beckford off Fellaini on, but that should've been followed up a few minutes later with Saha for Rodwell and Yak for Heits. Shame that he burned that option by making a meaningless sub earlier on.

20 Aug 2011 21:01:54
Fellainis touch was great when he came on. He gradually lost his head and got frustrated and then his passing went AWOL. But consdering Moyes put him in Cahills role (FFS) I thought he wasn't too bad

20 Aug 2011 21:00:03
My ratings for today
Howard - 6. He had nothing to do all game but pick the ball out of his net. Poor fella.

Neville - 5. He got into so, so many attacking positions and every single cross was abysmal. This is why I want Coleman to be our RB -- he can do something in the final third.

Jagielka - 4. At fault for their goal and all over the place throughout.

Distin - 5. Not great either. They looked like strangers, him and Jags.

Baines - 7. Great free kick. He should have taken the one Arteta did though. I'm not sure whether it's his fault, Arteta's fault or Moyes' fault that Arteta gets first dibs on free kicks, but it needs to stop.

Rodwell - 5. He is not a right winger. He tried his best, but he is not a right winger.

Heitinga - 6. Decent. Not great distribution but nothing too bad here.

Osman - 4. Shocker. He looked tired and badly out of form today. With hindsight he looked like this in pre-season. Worrying.

Barkley - 8. Brave, bold, confident and ballsy. The only positive of one of the worst days in recent memory for this club.

Cahill - 4. Him and Beckford were on a different wavelength all game. And he missed a sitter or two, as well.

Beckford - 5. A horrendous first touch but he showed a hell of a lot of energy; chasing everything. He's not a lone striker in his defence. Just another square peg in a round hole.



Subs

Arteta - 5. Poor from the Spaniard. I hoped for better, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt what with him working his way back to fitness.

Fellaini - 4. Similar story here. Deployed as a secondary striker, which is not his position, he failed to do anything. He looked weak and kept losing possession, which is so un-Fellaini. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt too and put it down to not being at full fitness. That and him being played in a position which is not his

Saha - 5. He came on far too late but failed to do anything nonetheless.



Moyes - 3. The worst game for him I can remember. A horrible starting lineup; equal parts predictable and dour. Subs ranging from useless to genuinely dumbfounding. And letting Arteta take set pieces He'll be shielded by the board's impotence, but he deserves a massive kick up the arse for this.


Ref - 5. Odd decisions all game. 5 minutes in we should have had a pen, for me. Not enough extra time considering how long their player was injured + subs, but I suppose we wouldn't have scored anyway. {Ed025's Note - what a superb post...exactly as i saw it....i know this is strange.....but i have nothing more to say!

Spot on with the ratings, i was at goodison and i completely agree

20 Aug 2011 20:45:20
Just wondering but can anyone tell me were the money for klose's wages has gone?? Ok we never signed him or had him but we must have had the money to offer him. Why will the banks allow other teams to keep spending and running up more debt, but not us?? Something just ain't right Any one else feel the same?

I think moyes was expecting to offload yak and yobos wages. Lets hope he can offload them before the end of the window so we would have a chance of bringing someone in to freshen things up. {Ed025's Note - dont hold your breath mate..

20 Aug 2011 20:17:05
We lacked sharpness today and and we appeared to be muscled out of the game at times. It is obvious we need a winger and a striker and more of a ruthleness in our play. Lets hope things improve soon. {Ed025's Note - you think so?.......

20 Aug 2011 20:02:56
I think we'll get 7th again. The thing I'm hoping for this year is out of our hands; I'm hoping that teams already in Europe win the domestic trophies, so 7th means Europe. {Ed025's Note - after that!..do you really??

20 Aug 2011 19:24:43
as much as i am utterly dissapointed with our showing against QPR, I don't want to undermine Kenwright or judge my team. Yes, there were parts that were piss poor. But Barkley was amazing, just as good (if not better) than anyone we can afford to sign. We are in a very, very rough place right now. But saying things like 'Kenwright Out' is not going to help the situation. As much as i wish we had the money, even just to keep Barkley out of the hands of the 'big' teams, Kenwright is not the problem. I believe he has the club's best interest's at heart, if anything it's people like Elstone that need to get out.
And secondly, don't criticise Moyes. Yes, playing Rodwell on the wing today was terrible. But look at it like this: against a below average team we decided against the risk of putting Fellaini and Arteta straight in. And although Osman would have been better out wide, I wouldn't have risked Rodders in the middle as I don't think it would've turned out great. So, let's just continue getting behind them. And if it was me, i would show the players that i don't tolerate shoddy play - swap Hibbert for Nev next game for example to prove a point more than anything.
Oh, and who was the fella talking to Kenwright in a suit before the game? Looked like a footballer, but it wasn't Gueye i don't think?

Steve EFC Twitter: @SteveBiggert {Ed025's Note - cant agree with you there steve...the buck stops at kenwright!...also moyes made some poor choices today...maybe the financial turmoil is getting to the players..and manager!...but that was piss poor..

20 Aug 2011 18:05:44
in that game we missed coleman, the right side was crap poor delivery from rodwell and neville never looked like scoring {Ed025's Note - this is the price we are paying..for lack of investment!..

20 Aug 2011 17:10:10
so there you have it, its confirmed, we are a club in crisis and any of you who say otherwise you are kiding yourselves, no money at all, no striker who can score regular goals or who can stay fit, no buyers for the only 3 players we can afford to let go, yobo, yak, anichibe and to top it off we are the laughing stock of the league again loosing to qpr at home in our first game, its embarrasing and without buying a fresh quality striker things will only get worse, kenright out now {Ed025's Note - this is down to the board...a new face (or two) would have freshened things up a bit..we looked stale, and like a side who were affected by the negativity surrounding the club...i am gutted..

20 Aug 2011 16:57:41
Once again Moyes' negative tactics have back fired, I mean starting Rodwell and Heitinga and playing 451 against QPR, c'mon?

Arteta was poor, Felli was decentish, Barkley was good, Neville was poor, Heitinga was ok, Rodwell was poor, Beckford was horrible.

Not looking forward to this season if that's what to expect every week.

One depressed blue...

GP {Ed025's Note - make that 2..

20 Aug 2011 16:21:11
60 minutes gone Embarrassing

20 Aug 2011 14:12:07
So somehow, Barkley is starting ahead of Mikel Arteta and Heitinga is starting ahead of Marouane Fellaini... Saha is fit for once so why not play him when we can? The ONLY positive is no Anichebe...
GP

20 Aug 2011 11:11:47
WE CLEARLY SEE EVERTON FC ARE IN A FINANCIAL CRISIS I THINK ALL FANS SHOULD PULL TOGETHER AND HELP GET US OUT THE MESS BEFORE IT GETS WORSE KENWRIGHT JUST THINKS ITS A STROLL IN THE PARK HE PREFERS TO LOOK AT THE PAST WERE AS US THE FANS WANT TO SEE THE FUTURE.EVERY HOME GAME THIS SEASON SHOULD BE A 40,000 CAPACITY NO MATTER WHO WE ARE PLAYING WILL GENERATE PLENTY OF MONEY,A DECENT CUP RUN WILL HELP, 60,000 PLUS BLUE ARMY TO WEMBLEY.A TOP 10 FINISH THIS SEASON DONT THINK SO ID SAY TOP 7 THIS SEASON. {Ed025's Note - lets hope so

20 Aug 2011 05:49:44
HI Im a liverpool fan and have been
for many years ,their was a time
when we would go too liverpool one
week and everton the next ,not so
much to see everton as the other
teams players the likes of tom finney
matthews etc, must admit enjoyed
watching T/G jones the best ive
ever seen,think you have the best
manager in the premier just imagin
what he would do with 105 million
probably win the league and build a
new stadium,anyway good luck hope
everthing works out. {Ed025's Note - thanks for your message of support, a lot of people empathise with our financial plight, but when we get a new investor...watch out...were coming after the big boys!..