Everton Banter Archive May 01 2016

01 May 2016 23:09:09
Just feel obliged to say this so here goes

After the sheer class we showed yesterday before the game then more class during the game by keeping a lid on the protests and supporting the team then after the game we showed it again with a fairly dignified good mannered protest that all sit well with me but I have to say seeing the video of our fans ripping Bobby outside the ground after the game sits a bit uncomfortable with me il tell you why whatever my thoughts on his tactics and management he's one of us and it's simple as that I feel for the man when I see shit like that were all fighting for the same cause it's just most of us disagree with him had to get it off my chest because I don't like it as far as I'm concerned them idiots don't represent me yes I want change but not like this and if anyone wants to know why then like I said before because he already knows how we feel and he's one of us.

02 May 2016 06:08:23
It's embarrassing sometimes Jay, you can see why the other side call us bitter, worst of all is the way some fans come on here slating our own players consistently, very embarrassing few weeks being a blue and you can tell by not many of the regulars posting as often as they normally do because they are keeping out of it, my last post for a few weeks until these so called fans crawl back into their hole, bye Blues.

02 May 2016 09:23:46
Murf we need posters with sensible comments and opinions to prove that not everyone of us are bitter blues. Eventually some will disappear back down there holes, hopefully the club will make a statement of intent and put people in the picture. they don't have to but it would put an end to the small minority who are constantly booing players and the manager. we all want a better team and with the squad we have we should be gelling better, young players need time but wether a new manager to bring the best out of them will be decided probably in the summer.

02 May 2016 10:41:29
Don't worry about what others post too much mate. Just have your say, and a bit of fun with it.

02 May 2016 10:55:23
No one deserves abuse thrown in there face, but unfortunatly its a way of life. Civil service and customer service jobs are prime examples, abuse these people receive although not all the majority are due to frustration on the complainants side.

That's everton at the moment, I in no way condone it, but it's a pot boiling over and before long if something's not done soon the press will get fed up of being on the side of the fans and turn on them using these abusive people as there news, that's my worry.

As for new posters Murf, iv been round for long time, used to post before we all had to make a log in, remember the days when we never knew which degsy we spoke to as we had that many. It's the frustration thing again, everyone wants to vent it. Better to have a wide range in the community than 10-20 all high fiving each other's posts.

I hope you don't stop posting as your insight and views is one of the few I enjoy reading.

02 May 2016 09:38:12
Well said Jay I to find this behaviour uncomfortable to watch could be the same morons that abused young Stones at Barnsley!
Unfortunately a few idiots in every club take things to far, however you feel you get the impression Martinez is actually a dead man walking and now it's just the wait to see who actually delivers the killer blow to end it all.

01 May 2016 21:12:11
Just a few personal thoughts after ' the season defining week ' are that I'm still not over the Derby and after the semi final reverse I just want the season over.

Everything's overshadowed though with the managerial situation. I can understand the club weighing up all the options and not diving in and replacing RM before the end of the season. However I trust the necessary approaches and discussions are already taking place for an announcement and appointment shortly after the last game.

The last thing I want with such an important window looking is nobody or worse still RM supervising the ins and outs.

I don't think there is any room for sentimentality. Mistakes are still being made. The clubs interest must come first. That's why I wasn't too impressed with the larger than cameo approaches of Hibbert and Howard on Saturday and the recent selection of Besic at RB. It's time for more game time for the youngsters in their right positions.

I read the Carragher / Martinez interview twice and it's just bull. RM, he's deluded. It's his way or no way and his way is the wrong way.

I would thank RM for some of the promising young players that have been signed. That may turn out to be a fair legacy. Other signings though you have got to question.

I know a few posters are feeling a bit sorry for RM. I did feel a bit sorry for myself once when I got finished up with two kids and a newborn to support. The Everton manager though will no doubt get a handsome payoff, take off to an exotic beach and probably pitch for a new job on some Euro 2016 panel, fee and expenses paid. Some Chairman will take the bait.

Whoever the new manager is, and I believe there will be a new manager, he will get my support.

01 May 2016 19:11:25
Some of you blues are dead funny. Joachim Lowe is a world cup winning manager, and you don't think he's good enough based on his lack of premier league experience.

He's won a world cup. I'd have him over any of the others we're being mentioned with.

What we've got to appreciate is that next year, everyone will have money to pay bigger wages for players. So there will only be 2 other ways of attracting good players. One being Europe (which we don't have) , and the other being the Manager.

For example if you look at Chelsea, the fact that they've bought a manager like Conte in, ensure's that they'll be able to bring in very good Italian/ Italian league players because of his reputation (and just other players in general) .

Now I'm not saying that we'd get Goetze and Ozil if we bought Lowe in, but he'd be a much more attractive coach to work with for most players, rather than someone like Howe or Warbuton (God help us) .

Just my feeling towards its. Ofcourse, even if we stick with Roberto (i hope not) , I sure hope we can get behind the Team regardless.

01 May 2016 22:32:50
Qatari I'd settle for Arthur Lowe at the moment mate.

02 May 2016 07:55:07
And he'd probably improve our defence Wedge. ;)

01 May 2016 19:08:55
Givern the performance of martinez's 13.5 mill perchase, if you where going to put up 150-200 mill into team building, would you let this man spend it?

01 May 2016 19:26:54
The way he has spent money is not the real issue, he's had a couple of dodgy signings but, by and large, he has bought well. I wouldn't have too much of a problem with him spending it but he doesn't seem too good at fitting them in to his system. Bit harsh on Niasse, at least give him time to see if he's any good or not. Put it into perspective, he has played a few more minutes this season than Tony Hibbert.

01 May 2016 21:45:45
So, would you sell Naysmith, who could always come up with a goal, plus gets everybody going, he goes for 7 m, then spend 13.5 on a player, that, even if is any good, is so unfit he only gets to play when the season is virtually over! He relley could not organise a . - up in a brewery.

01 May 2016 23:50:34
I wouldn't have sold Naismith but you never mentioned selling, you was talking about him buying players. But the fact remains, none of us have seen enough of Niasse to make a definite decision on whether he is good enough. He was always going to be brought in slowly, he had to adapt to the training and the league and it would take a lot to oust Rom out of the team (at the time he was bought) .
I'm no fan of RM either but at least make decent arguments.

01 May 2016 18:42:25
Is the German manager a real contender for the Everton job or is this all bull I do think Spanish bob will get one season or 6 games in to next year.

{Ed002's Note - Read the posts.}

01 May 2016 13:36:36
Well I never! All theses times I've just sat in the background and read everyone else's posts.

Now within 12 hours I've gone against the 'Everton way' and said something aloud and done with this 4, yes 4 posts! I've gone all arsenal! Feck me, I'm doomed like a kopite!

I mighty even find myself breaking the 'Everton way' secret code and go as far as print off a A4 piece of paper with size 22 gothic print requesting 'MARTINEZ OUT' on it. But I don't think I could ever embarrass myself and go this far.

goo.gl/TxkVBY

01 May 2016 13:58:12
Seek help Goo, a qualified shrink should suffice.
Tell him you've got Evertonitis, or the dreaded 'Bobby' syndrome.
I hope it's not the latter, there's no cure :)

Seriously though, it's a bit of frustrating time right now.

If this shrink dare mentions the word 'phenomenal'just run like hell, it means it contagious.

01 May 2016 15:03:05
goo is the link to his picture Frank haha.

01 May 2016 18:14:14
Careful, you might end up adopting this "Everton way" you speak of and slashing someone.

01 May 2016 22:19:57
Hmmm yes Murf, I just realized :)
I'm new on here so still finding my feet and I guess making silly mistakes like that rules me out of the Everton job altogether.

01 May 2016 10:21:15
replace kone, pienaar, osman, hibbert, mcgeady, howard. so 3 midfielders, defender, goalkeeper and a striker then we have a squad all under 30 years old except barry and jags. with some good youngsters coming through let's hope the new manager spends wisely. we do need a strong leader/ captain, a playmaker instead of relying on barkley all the time, left attacking midfielder, goalkeeper and a premier league striker that can fit straight in. LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEW SEASON, PLAY THE YOUNGSTERS NOW AND SHOW US THE TALENT, END THE SEASON ON A HIGH (FORGET THE TROUBLES ITS HISTORY NOW) .

01 May 2016 13:53:33
What new manager, i'm not one of Roberto Martinez's biggest supporters but he is our manager, I wish everyone would stop being negative get behind the team and manager and leave running the club to the board.

01 May 2016 18:41:52
Worst home record ever in the prem give the home fans something to get behind and they will don't expect blind optimism.

01 May 2016 08:08:18
I don't think the issue is whether RM a good manager. There are very few now who think he's up to this job and he still sounds delusional about his philosophy. It's how we as a club and its supporters deal with that. It's near the end of the season. Most good managers are in charge of other teams, the best of whom are still working on winning things. Is that the best time for the directors of the club to sack the manager and appoint the best replacement? It's ridiculous to think they could just communicate with the fans - communicate what? That they'll be sacking Roberto at the end of the season? That would be nonsense. That they'll be reviewing things? Every club reviews things at the end of every season. They could reasonably have expected the fans to understand that a review will take place but people are just showing they actually don't have the faintest clue what's involved in running any organisation, football club or anything else. It's embarrassing that people with so little understanding of how it works in reality believe they should be able to demand that the board does its job badly by either sacking someone before they have a replacement or by issuing meaningless statements that would only serve to undermine everyone involved. It's even more embarrassing that they see that as standing up for the club. Football managers, like all of us, don't want to work for employers who behave like idiots, especially those who humiliate the, er, manager. The way we handle this, board and fans, says something to prospective replacements and reflects on the image of the club. We've tended to be a club in the past that.

{Ed025's Note - the posts this weekend have been very interesting coyb and this is no exception mate..even though it seems unfinished..

01 May 2016 08:57:24
Agree with most coyb but feel that they've left RM in limbo.
If he's staying fair enough that's their decision but if not the clock is already ticking towards next season.
I don't believe the club are holding the sly, secret meetings with manager agents that other clubs have done in the past (one in particular comes to mind! ) so we're effectively treading water.
Be dignified, end RMS contract tomorrow and it allows for time to consult and the new manager gets time to prepare for a very important season for the club.
Dither and we will end up with a knee jerk appointment in July.

01 May 2016 09:23:11
Thanks Ed, yeah it doesn't seem to have all posted. I was saying we've tended not to tap players up publicly and not do our dirty washing in public. I'd like to see us stick with that policy. I take Mushy's point IF the board haven't yet begun to think about the situation and possible solutions, but it's a false dichotomy to say it's either that we're not doing anything or that we've sacked the manager. There will be constant evaluation of the performance of all employees behind the scenes. That process should not be a public one.

{Ed025's Note - i have never been an advocate of doing our dirty washing in public coyb, but i do think the club could connect better with the supporters where matters like this are concerned mate..

01 May 2016 11:10:08
Totally agree mushy, lasts thing we want is a last minute dash to find a manager. If we 'mutually agreed' to part ways now, would that not show some intent? We don't have to approach anyone, it's more a fact that everyone will know Eveton football club needs a manager. I don't claim to know the workings in football, but in life if there is a job I know about I ussually contact them, would the same not apply? Would that not allow people to show there interest and allow us to follow procedures and put the feelers out?

And ed25 think it's just the fact us supporters have simply had enough at this moment, just as we thought the dark days were over more clouds clog the sky, but hopefully the sun is fighting through and things will get brighter. Me myself have just had enough of watching others improving to were we where and should be whilst we regress. It's a painful watch right now. Role on brighter days!

{Ed025's Note - i think we all feel the same bestyrne but its how we go about addressing the issue that has me worried, i dont want our great supporters seen in a bad light and labeled by the press as anarchists so its important that we act in a dignified manner mate..

01 May 2016 01:34:05
I have heard of labour day. but today seems to be liberal day. Ah well! Bobbie will be happy.

30 Apr 2016 23:50:08
Nil satis nisi optimum "nothing but the best is good enough"
This is a statement of values, Honesty, Integrity, ability, morals and actions not only for the club and players but the so called supporters who think it is their god given right to insult certain players with their vile comments. Then voice their so called educated opinions in relation to the chairman and manager.
Though I have never believed Martinez was the right appointment I don't feel he deserved to be subjected to the treatment and public humiliation of the mindless few, who also vented their anger against our Chairman.

How many of our so called supporters given the same set of circumstances he faced many years ago have given every penny they had to save their club, now when it appears we have a rich investor and his health is not how it should some supporters are baying for blood.
I agree Martinez needs to go but surely it is for the club to decide when and how and to be done with dignity and class which sadly seems to lacking with certain sections of supporters.
Never posted before probably never again.

01 May 2016 00:54:18
Agree. Every game they sing if you know our history, yet conveniently forget that if it wasn't for Bill they might not have a team to support. No I too did not want Roberto then and I don't want him now but it is for the Club to decide who they think can drive us forward. Whoever that maybe it is the Club I support.

01 May 2016 06:15:01
Fans have got the right to voice their opinion. I disagree with the planes and all that but who are you to say 'so called fans'? I'm pretty sure everyone who posts on here is a proper fan. All we want is a bit of transparency, just tell us if he's going or staying so we can get on with it.

01 May 2016 08:59:50
We all thank Bk for ending the agent Johnson era . He has dined out on the I remortgaged my house to buy Everton tale for long enough he loves the romance of seeing himself as Evertons knight in shinning armour . What he doesn't shout about is he was obviously skint when he bought Everton hence the remortgage a quick check now an the guys worth 40 mil buying Everton was the best bit of business he ever did jersey boys was chump change compared to what he has made out of the club he has had a steady income for the last few years also taking loans of his buddy's at sky high interest rates to make sure they got in on the act he has failed us in many ways and treats us like we're stupid . kings dock we all got excited no go let's sell bellfield to fund a training ground we all agree what happens we end up not even owning are training ground and know one no;s what happened to bell field. Bk has enjoyed his ownership of Everton to the full he loved moyse because he made us look better than we were he papered over the cracks for Bk and his friends and we the fans fell for it every time . He told us how the search for new investment was a long process but in the last 12 months as soon as his health was coming into question and he realised he needs to get his business dealings in line lo and behold he finds an investor . Bills long term family security is safe his pension will be great his golden handshake with mr moshiri will look after him beyond his years . I don't even think he will get rid of Rm he will leave it til it's someone else's choice has never had a backbone and will want to be remembered for not sacking managers and not moving us to Kirby which would of killed are great club hopefully the new board won't be about smokescreens and will have a genuine plan to move us forward and actually come through with the stuff they say hopefully we will get to the summer and the transition period will begin hopefully starting with a new manager.

{Ed025's Note - i cant say i agree with all you say AM8s but if thats your view then i can respect that, every side has its good and bad points but in the end its a common goal we are looking towards which is the betterment of EFC, who knows how this will pan out?, but whatever transpires i hope we all conduct ourselves in a manner befitting this great club mate..