Everton Banter Archive February 01 2013

01 Feb 2013 21:31:51
Iam not one for conspiracy theories but I think the whole leroy fer saga was a smoke screen contrived by that evil genius good old uncle Bill to appease the fans

Is it possible he also hoaxed the moon landings? In fact wasn't he in Dallas in November 63 and now you come to mention it I saw him with Elvis riding Shergar on Formby beach.

Popeye

Absolute tripe!
C. A. Jones {Ed025's Note - and he starts his post with "im not a conspiracy theorist"...im with you jonesy..

Popeye it's pretty much a well established fact now that president Kennedy was killed by the CIA under orders from Lyndon baines Johnson (his successor) and that Lee Harvey Oswald was the 'patsy' - because JFK was making peaceful overtures towards communist countries - check out the DVDs on it on realityzone.com if you like that kind of thing - so some conspiracy theories are true (bill kenwright was not involved - although he did put in a deliberately late bid for the sharp shooter on the grassy knoll afterwards but of course it never came to anything)
clozem downie junior

01 Feb 2013 17:33:39
Hi Eds. Hopefully the voice of reason here.

Firstly we are not in the position we are through pure luck. From what I have seen the luck has gone against us, but we have kept going with a number of injuries and are now a point off fourth.
We have recently not fired on all cylinders, but hopefully with a run of injury free games we can start to play flowinf footy again and get our favourite jellyman firing. Look out when his confidence comes back.
As for additional players, well on 1st reflection I was dissapointed, however with a bit more thought it wasn't so bad. We have a squad which is adaptable and plays for each other and has learned to fight.
Hopefully we can continue to stand firm and true and in lieu of the luck we haven't had so far I would exchange for an injury free team. The football needs to look after itself if we are all fit.
So lets push on and back Moyesy and the boys and not get on their case. The seasons fate is in the hands of the players and their desire.
The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow looms blues so stay positive.
AW {Ed025's Note - another good post AW...if that window has done anything..it has certainly galvanised us supporters..

01 Feb 2013 15:23:07
I don't think the transfer window was as bad as everyone is making out. . . . the teams around us didn't much and we got someone, no one left. great window!

Another wise Everton fan. I also believe this was a good transfer window for our club, we still have class running through the team, infact we still have the whole team who have put us 5th a point behind Spurs and on the correct road to European football next season. This month yes we did fail to sign a transfer target in Leroy Fer but we've managed to keep a very decent team/squad for the rest of the season. Well done BK and DM, and nice try with the Fer deal, no-one wants to buy a crock. David Moyes ain't going anywhere especially cause we're going to be playing champions league football next season, why would he? COYB

Dog Puke Peter {Ed025's Note - i dont know whats in the drinking water pete..but suddenly a lot of the guys are being positive..and its great..

We could of signed fer and he got injured and we would of wasted nearly 9m, we spotted a problem in his medical which tbh was good for us

01 Feb 2013 14:39:25
THE OPTIMIST AND THE PESSIMIST

The optimistic Evertonian thinks Bill K is a true Evertonian, with the clubs best interests at his heart. His appointment of David Moyes was the best thing ever. David Moyes has turned the club around and we are on the brink of something really special. The quality of football is superb, especially when considered we have spent less than £2 million net each season on new signing since he arrived. Baines and Fellaini are just 2 examples of quality players which every club in Europe would like. The future is bright.

The pessimistic Evertonian thinks Bill K siphons money out of the club. Debts are high and we need a new owner. His appointment of David Moyes was a mistake because Moyes is too defensive in his tactics. Signing crap players like Neville and Coleman make us an embarrassment. All we have "achieved" has been because of luck. and actually we have not achieved much because there is no silver to show in his long 11 years. We are in a terrible state.

Ask yourselves two questions,

1. "which one am I?"
2. "if I am the latter, why am I happy to be a miserable so called supporter, when all I want to do is moan about the club I profess to support?"

Look up the definition of support if you need to. That may help explain the point I am making.

Degsypulford {Ed025's Note - very enlightening degsyp..

Degsy Pulford, I agree

Just because you watch a team doesn't mean you support them.

George

The truth Degsy is some where in the Middle, splattered in that post was some good points.

Its not negative to deal in reality.

The thing with football supporters, as with anything in life your passionate about, i. e religion is people tend to come to their conclusions based on their Emotions. A lot of the comments are made by rash emotional responses to last nights window.

Having read back through some of the posts from last night, you can see that emotions where high. Today when some fans have had time to think, they have come to different conclusions.

I would add another type of Fan

A REALIST

A fan who loves his club, Knows his manager and Chairman do the best they can, with the abilities they have. But the chairmans business abilities only stretch so far. He may love the club as much as all of us, but he may not have the business brain that this club now needs.

The contacts, the Network, The ability to Leverage his assett's in such a way as to make this club look like a great investment.

That is reality, No doubt Moyes and KW have done a good job, based on the abilities they have.

All fans are welcome on this site, as long as you be yourselves. Its not about all agreeing just to be liked, its about giving your honest point of few.

Great site this is, pleasure reading all the different points of view, especially the passion of my fellow fans.

Now lets get behind the team and get that top 4 finish {Ed025's Note - very good post that mate, some great points..well done..

01 Feb 2013 17:55:17
Well said fellow Degsy, there are some gloomy miserable peoples out there mate, they must be a bundle of fun in the alehouse

Degsy

01 Feb 2013 22:38:38
To the realist poster above

Great post that mate, shoulda put your name to it though as you speak sense

Degsy

So you ignore the fact bk isn't up to the task and just follow blindly and call yourself a positive fan he's conned everyone including moyes there wasnt a chance of getting alvero we pulled out of fer the same as sidwell who is still plying is trade in the prem and fer will also we won't progress till whole arse bk does 1

TomEFC

TomEFC

The world and life is about opinions, thankfully we all share different ones. Do you honestly believe that DM has allowed BK to con him for 10 years?
This is DM a manager who according to many other managers within the game can go to most other clubs and get work.
Do you believe that DM has stayed at EFC to be laughed at by people who really know if BK is conning him.
We all have faults Tom, the wife says I have more than most, but I cannot share your opinion this time.

Nil Satis

George

01 Feb 2013 13:04:34
Just goes to show what a load of crap you lot spe. ak on this site.
When your saying this players coming in and that player then
We get one player in from barnsley. just get behind the team now we will
be ok I hope.

Phil

01 Feb 2013 11:54:50
Are there no out of contract players out there maybe ed ste45 {Ed025's Note - well there is forsell, klasnic, and ballack ste..

Klasnic as back up not too bad just until the end of the season

01 Feb 2013 11:33:43
Kenwrights probably made up he saved 5 mil in the transfer window the tight b*****d! I don't know and will never know why we didn't get a deal going when we had the funds? Even Diame 3.5 mill? Why not? Frustrates me a lot Tom

Maybe moyes didn't want him, have you thought about that

Join the club bro {Ed025's Note - maybe he does not rate him..after all, he cant get in the west ham side!..

Get over it mate, the way your carrying on anybody would think we're 5 from bottom not 5 from top.

Whoever doesn't agree about my comment obviously aren't ambitious about the club {Ed025's Note - if your the opening poster?...you need to have a word with yourself..

And Diame was just an example of a cheap player who would of strengthen the squad who has premier league experience

If Diame is that good then how come he couldn't get a game for Wigan?

01 Feb 2013 10:54:32
Actually can't believe some of us, wanting moyes out and everything, what's wrong with you people? Were having one of the best seasons we've had in years and have a great team already! Do you lot not remember what it was like under Walter Smith etc. Yeah dissapointing we missed out on fer and negredo but its not that big a deal!

Personally I can see john stones having a bigger part that what we think AND can see him being a future captain! COYB, champions league football here we come!

Er what were Moye's comments after west brom something about trying to get people in to help. his words {Ed025's Note - and i think he tried..

Future captain? I bet you've never seen him play being pessimistic is bad I admit but there is too many people thinking that there isn't issues to address, a midfielder and a striker was needed in this window to push on and we didn't get it as far as I'm concerned we had 31 days to do business and we rushed it all in the last few days and its not good enough. Having said that our league position is good and we have Gibbo and Super Kev back hopefully we can still mount a push for top 4 but it will be more difficult now and I can't really see it happening.
Joe EFC

01 Feb 2013 10:22:52
As disappointing as it was that we did not sign anyone, we didn't lose anyone either. Yes we are all frustrated, but all I care about now is Moyes signing another contract. This has me really really worried. Should I be worried?

Aussie Toffee.

01 Feb 2013 12:16:09
I don't think that there is any need to worry about David Moyes going anywhere. After all, he knows that funds were made available and its not the fault of anyone at EFC that FC Twente tried to pull a fast one over the Fer injury. We then had a really good offer for Negreda turned down, which is obviously their choice. We did not have to sell players to raise funds, and Moyes will only buy players that will improve the team and will not buy just for the sake. I'm sure he feels that we are ambitious and moving in the right direction. I for one am confident that he will still be here next season.

Shropshire Blue.

01 Feb 2013 09:50:46
Hi eds

The transfer window could have been worse. I mean we could have missed out on a player from Holland and Spanish striker and end up with a player from Barnsley.

Never mind boys and girls.

A very happy Liverpool fan

Marc

You spent another 20m and we will still be above you
Jab

Oh Dear Marc, its really sad when you have to gloat about us pulling out of one deal as a player is potentially a liability and another deal as we won't be held to ransom. Perhaps we should take a leaf out of Liverpools books and throw good money at average players and cross our fingers.
Oh and the player from Barnsley is an England youth international, ever hear of building for the future? That's our right back slot potentially sorted until 2027.

Popeye

You keep spending 10 and 20m on average players, that's bout as exciting liverpools season has got

1 Joe Allen = 1 Darron Gibson (who on his own is better than Allen), 1 Steven Pienaar, 1 Kevin Mirallas and 1 Nikica Jelavic. Not to mention, Henderson, Dowing, Carroll, Borini etc. You keep spending obscene amounts on mediocre players whilst we exercise caution and bring in guys who want to play for our shirt. But, at the end of the day look at the table, it doesn't lie

Yes Popeye I have heard about builing for the future have you seen the average age of our squad? If anyone is building for the future it's us.

Banter aside Credit where credit is due you are above us in the league and playing some great football. In fact as Liverpool won't finish in the top 4 I hope Everton do. I want to see both clubs in the champions league it would be fantastic for the city. If only; Everton signed 2 experienced quality players then 4th would be yours I have no doubt. Good luck for the rest of the season

See not all reds are chumps

Marc.

Well Marc it seems you already realise that most reds are CHUMPS as you put it. What you have yet to realise is that when you build for the future your only as good as your foundations. Years of mismanagement and countless millions wasted on talentless players is the red version of building for the future not ours. You may say you would like both Merseyside teams in the champions league when were ahead of you and playing better than you but that sentiment didn't exist when the situation was reversed. I watched in the eighties and the Merseyside 'friendly' finals when that sentiment was around and if you mean what you say then your in a very small minority of reds.

Popeye {Ed025's Note - good response popeye..

Well Popeye I agree with all that you have said. It's nice to hear someone talking sense for a change. I have always wanted to see both Merseyside clubs do well even when roles were reversed. I really believe that throwing money around is not the answer the problem. Yes Liverpool have wasted vast amounts of money over the years and buy doing this did it make us a better team? no. Can we catch Everton this season? Maybe not but it's going to be fun until the end of the season, and like I said if any club deserve to finish 4th after playing great football with very limited funds then for me it's Everton.

So good luck for the rest of the season.

Marc

01 Feb 2013 09:35:53
With Coleman injured and Jonny probably being dropped, stones could start against villa

01 Feb 2013 11:32:33
Doubt it but he may well come on when Neville loses his breath, for me its

Howard

Neville Jags Distin Baines

Fellaini Gibson

Osman Mirralas Pienaar

Anichebe

01 Feb 2013 09:14:59
at the start of the transfer window most people, moyes
included had hoped to bring in 2 or 3 players even on loan just to give the squad a lift and help us push on for what is going to be the toughest run of games you could wish to have. we have got to play ALL the top teams and mostly away as well. a striker had to be top priority because if jelly is struggling who is going to get us goals. so to come out of the window with only a young right back is very disappointing. this young lad is quality by the way but so we really need him? I am not sure. and to let guaye leave again makes no sense whatsoever!whether you like him or not he is cover for kevin & piennar. so the squad remains pretty thin and I just hope we can stay injury free but I just think we have missed a great opportunity to push on and get into CL. the other real worry now is that I am sure moyes had put his contract on hold to wait and see what happened with the window. I would imagine he will be gutted like a lot of blues.

ste willow

01 Feb 2013 09:09:01
not a problem just hope DM is brave enough play Barkley in the Felli roll behind Jelly and play Felli in his best position. I think Jelly will start scoring again.

I wish he would show some faith in be arclay but doubt he will. if we have lost Gueye surely he must bring Ross back?

01 Feb 2013 09:07:29
Morning Ed and Blues. Now we have all had a kip, what's everyones feelings on yesterdays business?

I must admit, last night I was disappointed and frustrated, but I think that was because are expectations have now reached a higher level.

The fact is that we have kept the squad together and added an apparently very talented right back. Lets be honest Hibbo isn't getting any younger and Coleman seems to prefer it higher up the pitch. If he can provide us with options down the right then its all good. Just hope we can stay injury free and give as good a push for the tp 4 as we can.

IMWT COYB. Pid

01 Feb 2013 08:54:47
Odemwingie how unprofessional greed comes to mind if our players done that I would expect moyes to go beserk. glad we didn't go for him in the end. just shows how some players just want cash instead of the glory.

01 Feb 2013 08:45:48
Ok so we didn't get FER

He looks the part tall strong plays centre mid a French international his name is Vieiri

He looks the part tall strong plays centre mid a Ivorion international his name is Yaya

He looks the part tall strong plays centre mid a Dutch international his name is FER.

He looks the part tall strong plays centre mid a English international his name is Carlton Palmer

looks can be deceiving ;)

01 Feb 2013 08:39:54
Am not to down hearted abt yesterday teams around us pushing up the tabel didn't really buy outstanding players stones will be a Quality right back on the other side no one got sold moyes will have money to spend in the summer if we get europa or finish 4th fellaini mite stay but I trust moyes to spend when the summer comes think he had his sights on the fer deal for us but didn't want a crocked player and rightly so, let's get behind the team for tmoz coyb. ryan.

01 Feb 2013 08:29:20
My thoughts are:-

Would have liked to see a CDM and a Striker come in January. Even on Loan however we are not QPR. We do not have the money to go wasting on any player that is available like Arry seems to do.
Moyes will have had his targets but unfortunately failed to secure all but 1.
However, with Mirallas and Gibson back, providing they stay fit, I think we have a strong enough squad to challenge top 4. We must have or we wouldn't have been doing it for the first half of the season.
With Stones providing cover for right back, Coleman can push on in to right wing. This will allow Mirallas to challenge Jelavic for the front spot and also leave Neville free to cover Gibson should he get injured again (fingers crossed).
COYB!

01 Feb 2013 08:08:58
I was genuinely expecting a last min deal to filter through during the night and to wake up to a new midfielder or striker for Everton.

Bitterly disappointed we didn't start bidding a day or two earlier.

01 Feb 2013 07:54:17
David Moyes has been speaking after making his second signing in deadline day - Tea Lady Doris on a new 5 year contract - amid speculation she had gone across Stanley Park to sign with Liverpool so she could make tea for when they get upset after Everton making the top 4.

"It's great. It really is, " Asked wether he was trying to make any other signings, he added: "Doris was our main priority. It would have been nice to add another player or two, but this window shows how far we are going in terms of signings we can make. "

It is understood that although only signing 18 year old John Stones, Moyes, and all the Everton fans, should be positive and trust the manager to guide the club into the top 4, before signing a lucrative 4 and a half year deal to take the club even further.

COYB. IMWT.

Keith EFC.

01 Feb 2013 07:28:21
The best bit of news we can wish for now is for moyes to sign his contract. sign it now give the players and fans a massive boost and just maybe we will have european football again. if we manage to get european football I expect us to be busy in the summer transfer window

01 Feb 2013 07:13:02
You want to know why people are being so negative? It's because our squad is so thin that in order to have a good crack at the Champions League in the rumning, we desperately needed new faces, which would also help boost morale after a few poor performances (Soton, Swansea, Bolton). I agree that it's going too far to say that Fellaini and Baines and Moyes are definitely leaving, but I think we've made any potential UCL finish a whole lot harder. Oh and of course it is disappointing not to sign any real first teamers (not saying Stones is a bad signing or anything, it's just not what Evertonians craved). It also bitterly disappointing to only sign Stones especially when we very nearly acquired a £9million midfielder in Fer.
The point is, I can understand the negativity, and the people posting "Why are you all so negative we kept Fellaini" need to hush for a little bit whilst we get over the disappointment of the 2013 January Transfer Window.
The negativity ahould be allowed just while we get over the disappointment (I'm normally an avid anti-negativity man) but it should not be allowed to extend that people think the whole squad, David Moyes, Steve Round and Ed025 are all on the move. {Ed001's Note - ah, that might be a problem, as Ed025 has put in a written transfer request to move to the Villa site, he thinks it might be cheerier on there! By the way, I think people will be surprised by Stones, he was a class apart, in a similar way to Jagielka, for Barnsley. He has to be an improvement on Coleman at the very least!}

01 Feb 2013 04:48:05
I know we expected more Blues but at least we know we have money for summer, we just need an injury free few months now and the sky is the limit, oh yeh tie Baines and Moyes down for 5 years too.

The lad Stones looks good for the future, he could be a rock in our defence for years to come

Degsy

Good post degsy! Couldn't agree more - GiannisTheBlue

01 Feb 2013 02:44:49
I think Moyse will look at his post deadline squad and not be too downhearted. Yes he would have liked Fer, a different type of midlfielder than we have and he will be concerned that Naismith has not shown anything which makes him look like a first team regular. But he hasn't lost fellaini and Mirallas, fit, could really boost our options for the run-in. Down the line, whether we get a CL place or not, we should make Europe and if Barclay continues his development, hopefully, we would go into a new season with competition for midfield places. They may look at Fer again, if the knee condition is not permanent damage, and we will spend on a forward. The only big question for me was why we did not go back for Ofoe, maybe a loan deal was of no interest to his club. As to the season 2013-14, I think it is definitely time for Jags to stand up as skipper and for Neville to be a back-up player but not a regular starter. Forward passing and not slowing down potential moves is key to competing at the highest level.

To be honest lads at the begining of the season a lot of us were over the moon with the squad, the best we've had in years, I for one was really looking forward to the beginning of the season. Unfortunately the injuries to Mirallas, Gibson and Naismith not performing as we would have liked really highlighted are lack of strength in depth in certain areas. Additionally the injurys to Hibbert and Coleman only made matters worse. However, I don't think this transfer window is as bad as all the doom mongers ar making it out to be. Okay we did not get a CM after Fer failed his medical but the intention to sign a quality player was quite clear. If DM really wants a player then he will get the backing of the board. On the positive side we have strengthed the right side of the team which IMO has been our weakest area. I am not sure if we had bought Fer if we still would have signed Stones but this may be a blessing in disguise. I know its a bit disappointing that we did not get in a loan CM or Striker but who was actually available that would get a sarting place make an instant impact no one that I can think of. If everyone stays fit and the guys returning from injury don't have any problems we then we can really push on. I know it's a big IF but stranger things have happened. COYB

SA90

01 Feb 2013 00:51:05
Why is everyone being so negative? People acting as though we have been relegated, and people need to shut up saying Baines, Fellaini and Moyes are definitely going? Grow up and look at the positives, we lost no one (except Gueye, which is a good thing), we signed a huge talent in Stones and we hopefully have some money to spend in the summer!.


Phil, COYB!

Maggie out on loan is a positive, he should get some much needed experience and come back a better player

Phil I agree that it's not all doom and gloom. But the difference between 4th and 5th is miles.

Surely if we had money then we should expect more than someone with potential?

It's not the end of the world but its hardly a statement of intent.

Pid {Ed025's Note - fair point pid...

We needed a lift mate, to push us on for our last 14 league games, that's why some supporters are down.
You are being negative yourself by ridiculing Gueye and I think it's you who needs to shut up.
Ste Old Swan

01 Feb 2013 08:32:20
The difference between 4th and 5th is actually 1 point at the moment Pid!

If we take it a game at a time, I am confident we can do it.

Tottenham failed to land Damaio but i'm sure they haven't give up on 4th spot as of yet.

01 Feb 2013 00:39:07
What is wrong with people on here, yes we haven't made any big name signings but we are 5th in the league, we are 10 points higher than we were this time last year, we have lost none of our big names and we are still playing some great football. So stop all this negative talk and get behind our lads and lets get 4th place. IMYT

Everyone is behind the team. that's why we're all on here mate. to show our support. but I think even DM himself would admit that we ain't brought in the bodies in the right places. CM or a striker was what we needed. as good as this stones kid maybe he's for the future. not for the present to help get that European spot. the team is good but we need a boost.

01 Feb 2013 00:04:36
Well that was a successful window

31 Jan 2013 23:47:21
Why are people turning so negative and saying moyes will want out all of a sudden. Why would he leave efc after nlw long hea been at the club, his relationnship and up in europe places. Everton are a smart club they obviously tried there hardest today. Clearly means he will have money in the summer

I think it's a little and naive to presume we will have cash or indeed the clout that we had this year. I think this was evertons best opportunity since the early-mid 80s to develop a side that would get the well earned respect a club like everton deserves. it was the first time since then that I felt we had a buying club rather than a selling club. Unless we keep moyes and / or big players then I think that opportunity has just gone by.

31 Jan 2013 23:44:51
Awful deadline day for us, absolutely messed up, glad to see John Stones at the club, onwards and upwards. COYB

ToffeeMike

31 Jan 2013 23:34:41
Thanks for all your efforts tonight Ed, excellent coverage of yet another transfer window. Glad we signed the young lad, looks like he can become a regular face in the team. Would of been the icing on the cake if we could of brought in two additional signings, I think the squad needs it, as do the supporters! Never mind, have to wait until the summer.
TT