Everton Banter Archive August 01 2013

01 Aug 2013 22:21:29
Spurs fan here - good luck for the season I hope you do well and are up there with us battling it out. I'm more wary of you lot than liverpool

Thanks mate. I'm more wary of you lot that than the Arse :')

I hope your up their with us mate

01 Aug 2013 21:26:03
Hi Ed
Out of ALL the names we have been linked with, who do hop think we will actually end up signing or do you think it will be somebody who has not been mentioned yet.
Cheers
Gingerblue {Ed025's Note - there have been that many linked to us ginge, that its hard to say mate..

01 Aug 2013 20:20:40
I watched the game this morning and I would just like to thank moyes for leaving us a little diamond
stones who really looks like my mate chano is and looks the real deal looks like a future star. gibbo

01 Aug 2013 17:55:36
i didn't watch the whole game but for the 1st 60 mins I think felli was good
his positioning was perfect
zac

01 Aug 2013 15:12:06
Hey guys I know this is a banter page. I also know and understand that some had Mr Moyes as not their favourite person. However, please remember that when Moyes took over, we were regularly bottom 5 and just missing relegation. We also had rubbish training facilities and quite a terrible squad. Slowly he built a bigger better squad and made changes within the club that are the foundations for Roberto to build on. Moyes may have been a bit defensive in tactics sometimes, but please show some respect for the guy. He really did turn us round and lay a good foundation for Roberto to build on. The quality of our club is at least 10 times better than when he took over. Previous to that we had suffered about 10 years of utter rubbish.
Degsypulford

Well said and I second that.

Zulu toffee

And I Third it

Me too but I've forgotten bout moyes, not the job he done but my god he had some bad points

Yep - how did our finances get so bad in the 1990s after the brilliant 80s?
Was it because of Heysel? {Ed025's Note - not just that, we failed to invest..

I think we all respect moyes for stabilizing the club.
But when push came to shove I feel he never had that killer instinct.
Too many times last season we could have picked up the 3 points, but never went for the jugular.

We still made him a multi-millionaire for his troubles though.
Ste 1878

I agree 101%, maybe it will take time to realise what a great job Moyes did.
MJ

I agree for the stick we everton supporters give BK and Moyes, we have come a long way in the last 10/11 years, we were shocking before he come, had a pretty cheap over aged squad but he gradually changed that, I also think he had come to bypass were he couldn't seem to go any further.

Thanks guy. these are the type of comments that do show a little respect. I have seen others that are just too rude and disrespectful. Our club is above this and we do not want to be badmouthing people just because they have moved on. We can leave that to the reds.
Degsypulford

We all know this but we all know how he left knowing for months were he was headed let's just drop the false thank yous and move on martinez is our future come o everton tom efc

01 Aug 2013 13:41:17
posted something like this when we played Accrington and got a pretty good response from a few of you who couldn't catch the match.

This is my brief summary of each players performance and a rating, out of 10, for them. This is just my opinion.

Everton 1 - 1 Juventus
Mirallas Asamoah
Everton Win on penalties.

Tim Howard - 9 - Had quite a bit to do, but came out on top in each situation. Made a few excellent saves, and saved the penalty to win the game.

John Stones - 10 - In my opinion, our man of the match. His distribution of the ball was fairly poor at time as he was prone to hoofing the ball up, but also kept his calm a few times and played out well. Defensively he was brilliant and made numerous tackles as well as one last ditch block to prevent a certain goal. Hit the post with a glancing header which deserved a goal. Finally, watched Pirlo, 'The Master', miss his pen and then had the confidence to step up next and chip it into the top corner, which would have earned him a 10, even if he'd been awful. Brilliant performance at CB.

Phil Jagielka - 8 - Was incredibly solid and reliable, made several tackles and was generally very difficult to beat.

Distin - 7 - Didn't have as much influence as the other two defenders and also picked up a (harsh) booking, but was still reliable and played his part in a strong back 3.

Seamus Coleman - 8 - Didn't have a huge influence on the game, but looked dangerous with the ball at his feet and composed playing his part of this 'keep-ball' philosophy. Got back, along with Baines, to transform the formation from 3-4-3 to 5-2-3 every time they attacked.

Darron Gibson - 7 - Wasn't able to control the game as much as he could in the other games due to the impressive pressure applied on him every time he got the ball. Wasn't amazing, but was better than Pirlo ;)

Marouane Fellaini - 6 - Was often too casual on the ball and gave it away a few times. Defensively he was a little rash and gave away a few fouls. Likely disappointed the American fans who clearly knew who he was (big cheer when they read his name from the team sheet), but his presence alone prevented them from really asserting themselves on the game.

Leighton Baines - 7 - Didn't have much influence, either, but defended fairly well and worked hard going forward.

Kevin Mirallas - 7 - One of the least effective players on the pitch. Scored a lovely goal, but barely touched the ball in the first half and struggled to beat his man whenever he did have it.

Victor Anichebe - 7 - Worked very hard all game but was constantly fouled and dragged around and subsequently, I don't think he even had a single shot. Unfortunately, his marker, Angelo Ogbonna was a physical match and he couldn't just power through.

Steven Pienaar - 7 - Was fairly dangerous on the ball, but also gave it away a few times.

Subs -
Bryan Oviedo - 7 - Didn't do much, but nearly scored a good, edge of the area header.
Ross Barkley - 7 - Wasn't on the pitch very long at all (4 mins?) but nearly played a great through ball with his first touch, had a great long shot which nearly went in and scored an excellent pen.
Osman - 5 - Barely touched the ball except to miscontrol it which directly set up their goal. Also missed a penalty. Wasn't very poor, just unfortunate on both occassions.

I should state that Juve where clearly a very well drilled team and the efficiency with which they pressed was amazing and the main reason a few of the players gave the ball away so many times.

Let us know if you disagree with any of them. {Ed025's Note - good stuff AB..

Does Anichebe go out of his way to look for the wrestling matches - because that's what he thinks he's good at - so it looks like he's doing 'something'?

I don't recall Gary Lineker constantly wrestling with defenders? Or any other strikers past or present come to think of it who spend their whole time in physical battles with defenders.

Is it him (vic), or is it them (the defenders)?

I think it's a combination. I think they realise that because he's so huge, they can enter a physical battle with him and he'll fight back, rather than go down. If someone as big as Ogbonna went near Lineker, they'd immediately concede a free kick as he throws himself to the floor.

Anichebe is so concerned with wrestling defenders he forgets about the ball coming to him. How people can say he is brilliant at holding the ball up is beyond me. The number of times he lost the ball was ridiculous although he did get better as the game went on. Not good enough to play up top on his own in my opinion.

Big Vic was great. He battled like the battering ram he is.

He won free kick after free kick which gave us a lot of opportunities to put the ball in the box in a controlled state of play.

Finally it was him that won the ball that led to the goal.

Take the blinkers off guys. He's not Messi. You need variety in your attack. We had to play a bit more direct at times and he does a better job at holding the ball than Jelly or Kone.

01 Aug 2013 13:17:45
Why ain't that lad from barca playing.? {Ed025's Note - only just joined up with the squad, and will need a few sessions to become famiiar with his role..

01 Aug 2013 11:07:15
Hang on a minute I thought we deserved the win last night or this morning I should say we passed the ball a lot more Gibson was class and is the pivot in our side fellaini just needs to get used to his new role stones was class as well and as for his penalty well what can you say especially as pirlo just missed what confidence to do that he won't be going out on loan that's for sure only negative was at the back when I thought we played it too casual at times although its nice to play from the back we invited unnecessary pressure on us bit like Wigan did hope we can correct this and sometimes you need to just get rid especially against teams like that barkley will be awesome this season and I predict him to make World Cup squad big season for him and Martinez will bring out the best in him let the boy express him self I am not putting him in the same league as Zidane but I see similar qualities the way he's built and composure on the ball if he turns out half as good then he is going to be world class

01 Aug 2013 10:56:30
Do you ever hear anything of jelle vossen possibly comin to everton or has that long gone now. Seems to have a good record. {Ed025's Note - not been mentioned for a while

01 Aug 2013 07:20:48
I watched the game and we are still a way behind top teams like juventus in terms of close ball control - and I think this is where the top teams have the big advantage.

Juve were able to constantly close us down because our guys are not confident on the ball when someone is within a couple of yards of them - so they constantly get rid quickly and are always under pressure

The juve boys did not mind our guys being close up to them as they just use their foot skills to keep possession and go past people in confined spaces

This is where Martinez Ned's to concentrate his efforts for me - you'll always be second best whilst you have worse close control - the players need to practice it every day, day in day out

Ps I don't think we need to worry about fellaini being poached - he looks slow and gets dispossessed too easily against top players so I don't see a champs league team building the midfield around him - he's good against average prem team players but not against the very best players who have that extra speed and control

Juventus are champions of Italy give the lads a break, you are right Felli was poor as was Pieman and Kevin, Stones was excellent and Howard made some good saves. When RM plays his best 11 then we will see a big difference.

Personally I thought we out played them for much of the game and certainly equal to them for the rest. They had one or two efforts, we hit the bar and had one disallowed. Infact if not for Osman dodgy defending they wouldn't have scored there goal!
I agree Felli gave the ball away too often tonight but I would love to see the stats on how many times he won it back!and big vic was awesome dispite a ridiculous amount of fouls on him, the guy worked his socks off. Wait minute you did watch the game yeah?

They are the champions of italy and I thought we were a match for them. There was a time we would have lost about 3-4 nil against them. We are progressing and playing good football.

Utter negativity. I despair that people can only derive negatives from beating teams like Juventus.

Our defence was solid, our keeper was good. Our midfield was tenacious and often but not always composed.

The goal we scored was class and the one we conceded was admittedly poor.

We one on pens with our first choice pen takers off the field

And all this against Juventus!!

Bring on Real Madrid

COYB
Toffee ace

Great post. Shame you didn't leave a name.

01 Aug 2013 09:08:07
what is your point. the big fella done his bit on the pitch, he did not go around assaulting young people in the street. this guy is not wanted or needed at everton.

Before anyone has a go, when I say great post I mean in the way that he described it (so to say).

I do agree with the replies about we can't expect too much as they are champions of Italy, etc.

As I said, 'great post' is in reference to the OP's description and the way he noticed it.

I'm the OP - Mick - people say it was a negative post because we got a draw/win on pens - like that's all that matters - but I'm not looking at result - too many people write up their summary of the game based on the score - but you really need to be looking at who's got the most possession to see who is the best team in the long run - yes, sometimes the 'worst' team will win - (like us beating Man United last year and them winning the league, or us grabbing that late winner against spurs after they'd controlled the game) but you should really only be happy when your team is 'on top' of the possession - that's what really counts in the long run - those are the teams that finish the highest - and you can see that in a match like Manutd vs ManCity - title contenders - they will scrap like mad for the 'upper hand' possession wise in the first 10-15 minutes before one team starts to dominate - because that possession dominance is what eventually wins more games than it loses - and to win the possession game you have to have good foot skills, neat passing, and constantly be chasing and closing the other team down - for 75% of this match Juve had the ball, and were closing us down when they did not have it - whereas we were backing off a lot of the time when they had it

that is only natural to some extent - they have got slightly better players and they cost more - but what I'm saying is that this is the area where we have to improve if we want to climb the league - the close ball control has to be the top priority - and there's no reason why all pro footballers can't work on that day in and day out until they are really comfortable with it

it sounds as if Moyes mostly worked on fitness and less on the ball skills - but at least Martinez seems to understand its all about the ball control and possession {Ed025's Note - thats one of the reasons i championed martinez mick, guts and determination will only get you so far, to really compete, you need skill and invention as well, and i think bobby will bring us that, and move us forward mate..

Mick, your point is a valid one. It's just after turning over Juventus I think it's an opportunity to focus on what strides forward we have made in a very short period, albeit in pre season friendlies.

I agree with you on the importance of possession as most will.

COYB
Toffee ace

Absolute rubbish. Possession doesn't win you games, chances converted do. Teams can have 80-90% possession and create 30 chances but if they don't score they don't win. I'd rather a team who converts their chances than plays around passing going nowhere without scoring, like Wigan last season.

But you can't practice or guarantee 'converting chances' - it's a bit of a lottery, but you can load the dice in your favour by : 1. having skilful forwards like van persie who have the skills to turn a half chance into a goal (out of our control because we can't afford them) and 2. increasing your amount of chances - so if you create 10 decent chances through more possession verses your oppononents 5 chances then in the long run you will win more than them (we can control this aspect to some extent)

the teams that have the most possession are the teams that finish higher in the league

if we played Juventus 10 times I expect that they would probably win about 6 or 7 of them - and that's because they have better players who have more possession, better technique on the ball and can weave their way past defenders to create chances

you saying 'converting chances' is all that matters is like saying "scoring goals" is all that matters - well we need to be thinking at a deeper level than that

Makes me laugh, it was a Pre season friendly ffs. a lot of the team (probably all of them) ain't even match fit yet. You can't judge nothing on last nights game whatsoever. It may aswell of been a training game along with the rest of Pre season. The season starts two weeks Saturday, that's when we'll see a full strength team under Martinez at it's best.

Don't get too carried away boys Juve were missing their five best players and have only been in training for just over a week. Decent performance by the lads though. We well deserved the win.

01 Aug 2013 06:26:27
Won on pens 6-5 after 1-1 draw, Felli, Pieman and Vic struggled my mom was Stones excellent, followed by Howard some really good saves. Pieman missed a sitter to make it 2-0. but good allround performance, ps, Stones pen class.

Who's pieman? {Ed025's Note - i think he means pienaar..

01 Aug 2013 06:19:10
I'd like to say a big thank you to David Moyes for buying John Stones. What a player this lad is going to be. He was class tonight and his penalty was outrageous. Bring on RM!.

01 Aug 2013 00:33:19
If Joey Barton is in any way, shape or form, part of the vision for Everton Footbal Clubs' future. then we must be Blind!!! The very idea of this mediocre excuse for a footballer possibly playing for this great Club, does not bear thinking about. he's lower than a snakes' belly. I have read that some fans think "he could do a job for us". yeah, just like Peter Johnson did. ripped the heart & soul out of Everton FC. We must already be a laughing stock just being linked with him, even though it's his agent and NOT Everton who is making all the noises. Thanks but NO THANKS.
Street End Boy