Everton Banter Archive November 19 2017

19 Nov 2017 19:51:30
I can see us ending up with Silva he wants us we want him and Watford will get a record settlement for a manager but thy will be getting a replacement sorted before anything is accepted they know the past is catching up with them 7 managers in 2 years.

19 Nov 2017 16:40:47
Ed025 this is for you my friend.

When things are going bad we all (myself included) sometimes struggle to remember why we love our club so much, We all forget why it is embedded in our blood. Perhaps this will remind you why we go through the pain we do time and time again.

We love Everton because, Goodison Park was the world's first purpose made and designed dedicated football ground.
We love Everton because, Goodison Park is the only club ground to have hosted a world cup semi-final.
We love Everton because, Goodison Park was the venue for England v Republic of Ireland 21 September 1949. England lost 2–0 and this was their first home defeat to a non-UK country. Everton's Peter Farrell scored.
We love Everton because, Everton are the first English club to appear in European competitions five seasons running (1962–63 to 1966–67) .
We love Everton because, Everton have played in more top flight seasons than any other club.
We love Everton because, we have scored and conceded more goals in the top division than any other club.
We love Everton because, Everton have both drawn and lost more top flight matches than any other side.
We love Everton because, we hold the unusual distinction of being reigning League champions for the longest time. They won the championship in 1915 and thus remained reigning champions until the 1919–20 season due to the World War I league cancellation. They were also champions in 1939, and again remained reigning champions until the league resumed in 1946-7 after World War II.
We love Everton because, we are the first English club to be presented with the League Championship trophy and medals.
We love Everton because, we are the first club to have the youngest Premiership goalscorer in two consecutive seasons with two different players
We love Everton because, we are the First club to play 4000 top-flight games
We love Everton because, we are the First club to amass 5000 League points
We love Everton because, we are the First club to win the League Championship on two different grounds.
We love Everton because, we are the First club to stage an FA Cup final
We love Everton because, we are the First English club to install dugouts
We love Everton because, we are the First English club to be invited to train at the Italian training HQ at Coverciano.
We love Everton because, we are the First club to win the FA Cup Final after being 2–0 down.
We love Everton because, we are the First club to appear in 4 consecutive Charity Shields at Wembley 1984-7.
We love Everton because, Jack Southworth's six goals v West Bromwich Albion, 30 December 1893, was the first such instance in Football League history.
We love Everton because, we have the Most disciplinary points received in the Premier League (2 points for a red card, one for a yellow) : 1252
We love Everton because, Goodison Park, built in 1892, was the world's first complete purpose-built football ground.
We love Everton because, Everton were the first European club to install undersoil heating in their stadium.
We love Everton because, we are the First club to win a penalty shoot-out in the European Cup – 1970 v Borussia Mönchengladbach
We love Everton because, we are the First club in all of Europe to issue a regular match programme for home fixtures.
We love Everton because, we are the First European club to have a four-sided stadium with two tier stands
We love Everton because, we are the First European club to have a stadium with a three-tier stand
We Support Everton because we love Everton.

Got your love back Ed025?

{Ed025's Note - i never lose the love grumpy, but just like ciggies and ale i know they are bad for me but i just cant help myself mate...thanks anyway mate..

19 Nov 2017 17:46:02
No problem mate,

There are things there that can never be taken away from us, So many firsts.

19 Nov 2017 17:52:42
Excellent post Grumpy mate sums up us Evertonions in a nutshell Brilliant mate.

19 Nov 2017 19:30:48
Fantastic post mate. Reminds me it's not just about the way we feel right now. Here's hoping we'll add a few more firsts to that list while we're all still breathing!

19 Nov 2017 20:52:50
Thanks GB, WB my sentiments exactly mate.

20 Nov 2017 09:33:39
windsorblue and not the one we are all dreading. Sorry to put a dampener in LOL.

19 Nov 2017 13:47:08
Ed 025, I'm finding it hard to understand all the people, both inside and outside our club, who are pushing for Silva as our new manager. Maybe it's just me but I can't see anything he has done to warrant this. He doesn't have that much EPL experience, he's never won anything and he does seem to chop and change clubs. There seems to be a mentality now that having a foriegn manager guarantees success. I think our last 2 disprove that theory! For me, it should still be Sean Dyche for the job. OK, he hasn't won anything yet, but he's got years of English football experience, seems very loyal and deserves a chance to manage what is, (or should I say SHOULD be) , a very good squad. Let's be realistic, we're not yet in a position to attract one of the very big name managers so I honestly believe Sean Dyche is by far the best man for the job.

{Ed025's Note - i like dyche tezza and if we could get him on a 2-3 year deal then i would be happy, the problem is how far can he take us?, if our aim is to threaten the top 4 then sean is not that guy for me, he is steady and would do more of a moyes job than anything else mate, silva is regarded as one of the best up and coming managers in the game but i agree with you to a certain degree that it would be a bit of a gamble..

19 Nov 2017 16:49:27
Firstly, Silva has won stuff. Not in this country, but if that's our criterion, we'll probably be managerless. Secondly, the fact that we've had two foreign managers who failed does not at all prove that all foreign managers will fail. That is skewy logic - it's not even a relevant piece of evidence. If you think British managers are better in the EPL than foreign ones, take a look at the top half and the bottom half of the table. That's not proof that foreign managers are better, but it does disprove the theory that British managers are better! I'm not saying Silva is the right man, but he's arguably got a better track record than the other realistic candidates unless you don't count anything outside Britain as proper football. I get the concerns about him, and I take the points about Benitez below. There's an argument for him (if he's interested) even though it doesn't sit right and I'd hate the inevitable taunts from across the park that our manager was sacked by them. He's foreign, too, of course 😉.

19 Nov 2017 12:04:43
Christ knows why Morgan was played if he was injured, can anyone explain to me when Yala and Coleman are back? We miss Yala so much, I know he's frustrating but he makes things happen, only player we have like that out wide is Mirallas who's legs are shot

I like Kenny but don't think he'll make it with us, lacks pace and strength, decent defender, below average going forward.

19 Nov 2017 13:39:09
I thought Kenny was tremendous yesterday he had zaha in his back pocket.

19 Nov 2017 13:47:21
apart from his goal that is.

19 Nov 2017 14:16:28
Like I said, decent defender, just isn’t the rampaging right back we need.

19 Nov 2017 14:41:52
just watched there second goal and hardly kennys fault.

19 Nov 2017 10:41:44
I'm sorry but I don't want Silva as boss. Quite often jumps ship when a better offer comes around. I think we will appoint someone that No One has spoke about. We Quite often do our business quietly and without too much press leakage.

19 Nov 2017 11:19:44
we used to do things quietly but not anymore and I'm with you if he is willing to jump ship after 12 games at Watford that says a lot about his attitude and he would do the same at us I think the board are going from mistake to another.

19 Nov 2017 12:02:32
I’m not too keen on the idea of Silva myself, think he’s done okay at Hull and Watford but nothing great, no idea why there is all this hype behind him.

19 Nov 2017 12:51:58
He starts really well with his teams and has a track record of doing so. Maybe we get him in for 12 games, shoot up the league and then let him toodle off into the sunset. At least we'd stay up.

19 Nov 2017 10:24:11
Further to my post yesterday I want to make it clear that I want a new manager in to takeover from Koeman and not Rhino, I like Rhino and appreciate all he has done for the club as a very good player and is now our under 23 manager and very good at it he is and long may that continue and he is a great Ambassador for our Club, but I am he afraid he comes up woefully short as a Premiership manager, to say he was happy with a point against the bottom club in the Premiership is not good enough, I watched MOTD this morning and we have been so lucky to pick up 4 points in our last two games 1 point would be more realistic of where we are as a team, also to play Morgan another bad example of his idea of a good squad, it's Dyche or Silva we need in quick in my view to stop this very poor football we are playing, I am sure we will come good again and put this awful period behind us COYBS, whatever I will always support our Great Club.

19 Nov 2017 12:54:17
Good post GB. Unsworth probably knows he hasn't got the job. I think he needs to go away and get some experience as a No2 or manage in the lower leagues and then come back and manage this great club.

19 Nov 2017 15:52:41
Good post GB, Smit mate I have been saying the same thing for a while now and I think I can count on 3 fingers the amount of people agreeing with me. I don't think he should manage in the lower leagues tho, he should stick with us and learn from whomever we get in. I would love him to be able to manage us one day.

19 Nov 2017 08:43:28
shows how bad it is when normally I will watch any football that's on tv but after watching how poor we where yesterday I can't even bring myself to watch motd infact it's that bad I'm currently watching the bill on UK drama oh the joys.

19 Nov 2017 10:24:40
Well you do see more attack and defense on the bill :-)

19 Nov 2017 06:54:48
Unsy isn't the answer I am afraid. Yes the romance in us would love him to get the gig but the performances have been much better and really we have been lucky in the last two games. Really worried as i don't no what the answer is I'm not to confident on Silva as his record isn't that great. sorry to say this but don't no what top manager would want to come to us right now. Maybe best to see in the summer who might come available or a manager who wants a new challenge. But in the mean time maybe it's best to keep unsy but if we do it's going to be a nervous ride 😨.

19 Nov 2017 01:20:11
Since Ed033 mentioned Rafa below it got me thinking, is a problem with the club not the fact everyone is a loser? I know people love Ferguson, Unsworth and some of our players, but they are all losers, they achieved nothing of note as players and our last 3 managers have been losers too

Look at Moyes, yes did well with Preston and fantastic with us, never won anything, bottled each time we came close

Martinez won the FA Cup yes and seemed like a winner at the beginning but again fell into the losing mentality of the club (and no I'm not blaming the club for how bad a manager he was)

Koeman was a wonderful player but as a manager he's done what, sacked in Holland, did decent with Southampton (carrying on Poch's work) and a solid first season with us but hasn't won anything of note

Unsworth has done great things with the under 23s, but that's where he belongs at the moment

The club from the top down is full of people who don't know how to win, I saw Phil Neville say he thinks Unsworth should be given the job, no, that's precisely what's wrong with the club

We need a winner to take over the club and bring in winners as his back room staff, get rid of the staff who have a small club mentality and I mean EVERY person at the club like that, if we want to win things we have to be ruthless, give me a winner as manager next instead of Unsworth because "he shows passion he knows the club" or Eddie Howe because "he's done well at Bournmouth"

We need winners at the club and until we do that, I'm afraid we will always be a big club getting smaller and smaller every season until we are just another mid table team who won't compete in the cups, I'm so fed up with people saying we need to employ people who know the club, well, unless they have a winning mentality, then no, get people in who are winners and you'll find us actually start to win again, Mourinho is a winner but so many fans would prefer someone like Eddie Howe, why? The difference in quality between the 2 is huge, yes Mourinho can be a nob, but he's a nob who wins trophies everywhere he goes, give me that over "well we played well today but were a bit unlucky" Eddie Howe

Get the people with an inferiority complex out the club.

{Ed0333's Note - great read fella. Well done.

19 Nov 2017 03:59:44
Amen Swan, and welcome back.

19 Nov 2017 06:55:49
I would exactly say we compete in cups now fella. Unfortunately!

19 Nov 2017 07:09:12
Exactly Swan. Enough said.

19 Nov 2017 07:57:42
Great post swan couldn't have put it better myself we need a total clear out and the likes of big Dunc although he is blue through and through as is our chairman and a few others but it's time to go and stop this small family run club mentality . GET SOME WINNERS IN.

19 Nov 2017 08:51:47
great post I actually thought koeman was the one who would install that winning mentality instead he was just a arrogant poor manager flip knows where we go from here.

19 Nov 2017 09:58:52
I agree we need a winning mentality, Swan. Getting winners in isn't that easy, though. Very few, if anyone, would actually prefer Howe to Mourinho. The difference is we can't get Mourinho.

Which winners are wanting to come to Everton and we're knocking them back? By definition, there aren't many managers who win stuff. Those that do are almost all already at bigger clubs than Everton, and those who win stuff want a job at a champions league team rather than a job at Everton.

Silva has won stuff, but many on here don't think he's won the right stuff or won things with the right teams. No manager who has won the biggest trophies in Europe is available to us. I suggested AVB on here now the Chinese league has finished. I don't know if we could get him but he's won stuff. People voted down the suggestion. Who exactly are these winners we should be getting in? Realistically.

It's the same with players. The two players we have who have won stuff (at senior level) are Rooney and Klaassen. Between them, they've probably had more stick than anyone in the squad bar Martina. We can't sign loads of winners because - again, by definition - they want to play in winning teams.

We've got to find a manager who overachieves with the squad they have. We aren't in a position to buy winners - we have to become winners.

19 Nov 2017 10:35:00
Liked Sawans post and would agree. Trouble is while we have the small club mentality with people like the "firm" installed what chance does any new manager with a hard line approach have. While Koeman had his faults it does make me wonder if the "firm" within ganged up on him. We need winners from top to bottom. Time for Bill and co to go and make way for the new hierarchy.

19 Nov 2017 00:07:36
Awful last night and got a point. Reality is we have been awful all season. We are basically stuck between a rock and a hard place. Atm we cannot attract any big name Managers, so Do we hire someone for the sake of it or do, we keep Unsworth until we find the right man to take us to the next step. Names being thrown around don't give me much confidence they will move this club anywhere! Either way supporters are split on this decision, some want unsworth others want a New Manager right away. Big decisions and I hope for the club they make the right one!

{Ed0333's Note - Rafa anyone?

19 Nov 2017 01:03:11
I’d love Benitez as manager, a winner finally.

19 Nov 2017 08:54:45
according to carra before we appointed koeman rafa was begging for the job unfortunately us fans are a fickle bunch and 1 not sure many blues would want him after his small club comments and 2 can't imagine Liverpool fans being happy if he ever managed us and surely he would have to consider that after what he achieved there.

18 Nov 2017 23:06:08
The way I see it is we had two big problems 1 we could not score for a toffee and 2 we can't defend well we scored 5 in the last two so if we can shut up shop and defend we are laughing.

19 Nov 2017 00:24:27
Well said billybob and Pierre at last a bit of positivity. I'm not saying unsworth is the answer but just give credit were credits due there's no guarantee a new manager could of done any better
The game against a decent Watford we came from 2.0 down to win for the first time in over twenty years, no one saying well done great comeback, rather moan we were 2.0 down.

19 Nov 2017 01:34:37
Yes if we could shut up shop that would be great. Unsy can’t put a team out to do that though, and if he continues to have wingers who don’t support our aging or inexperienced full backs away from home then this won’t improve. I don’t get his tactics away from home at all. And the results show it. Yes play them at Goodison but be more compact on the road.

It does sound like I’m slating the team I admit, but the answers to our problems cannot be found within the club. Our summer of free spending has not worked out and we are short a decent striker and pace at the back. It will be difficult to correct this in January so we are going to need to recruit a quality manager who can organise us into a side hard to break down.

If we were to draw at Palace, I’d have preferred a nil nil result, just to give the back 4/ 5 a bit of confidence. Build on it and slowly get us back to being hard to beat.

As the saying goes, “right people, right place, right time”. For Unsy that’s the under 23s and the sooner the board recognise this and appoint the new manager the better for everyone.