Everton Banter Archive July 19 2017

19 Jul 2017 22:51:05
Good win for the Blues tonight, can't wait for the Europa QF now. What's everyone's thoughts on Renato Sanchez from Bayern? BM telling Milan (also Europa League) they want €48m for him. That's less than Swansea want for Gylfi! Eds. no chance on this one?! Cheers.

20 Jul 2017 04:38:47
Sanchez poses a gamble whereas Gylfi is proven in the prem. I'm not denying he's a hot young talent. But if we're talking fees, then I'd spend the money on what poses e lesser risk.

20 Jul 2017 12:20:27
Why limit ourselves with this 'proven in the prem' stuff? It's not like prem teams do well against these players in Europe. While we all remember some failures (Soldado, Schevchenko) , equally there are loads of players who came to the prem for the first time and turned out to be brilliant - especially in the playmaker position. Eriksen? Silva? Coutinho? Hazard? Mata? Özil? Would you really have paid more for someone 'in the prem' than for these players?

20 Jul 2017 14:09:15
Hadn't thought about that before coyb but a very good point. Maybe it's to do with the physicality of the league in that strikers get pushed around by big CBs and DMs whereas creative attacking midfielders can still dictate a game?

That said there's a fair few foreign strikers that have done OK - Drogba, Henry etc.

21 Jul 2017 07:33:25
I take your point WB, but all those guys are small yet still manage the physicality. And let us never forget those 'proven in the prem' players who turned out to be garbage: Torres and Carroll. Having said that, we do need to bear in mind there is often an adjustment for players who come from slower-paced leagues or sunnier climates and tbf some never quite fulfill expectations - I guess you can say is one fewer risk factors, but not enough in my view to ignore talent elsewhere or pay an extra £20 million for.

19 Jul 2017 20:43:04
Just watched the live stream via the Everton official club website of the pre-season match against FC Twente. No problem with the broadcast quality/ reliability - hooray!
A good 3-0 victory, fairly comfortable (but it's only pre-season of course) , with goals from Mirallas (a cracker) , Lennon (very pleased for him) and Dowell (another cracker! )
Of all the players used by us in this match (21 of them - only Stekelenburg played the entire match) , the only one that I thought wasn't quite "right" was McCarthy, but that's probably a harsh assessment especially as it is pre-season. The others looked like they're progressing nicely for next week's match in the Europa League.
One good thing is that the first leg is at home, so we won't spend more time than necessary travelling beforehand and can instead concentrate on preparing at USM Finch Farm.

19 Jul 2017 21:29:08
Dowells goal was a cracker. Good close control followed by a fine finish. Don't think much of Twentes ground though lol.

19 Jul 2017 20:19:25
Everton official club website reporting that "Ross Barkley underwent surgery today on his groin, with the injury having prevented him from travelling with the Everton team last week to Tanzania and this week to Holland. The surgery has been a success and he is expected to be able to return to play in approximately four weeks. "
With about six weeks to the close of the transfer window, I wonder where that leaves his situation.

{Ed025's Note - he stays with us or will be sold for buttons bobby..

19 Jul 2017 20:03:36
Has anyone else had problems streaming the fc twente game via everton tv?
It's supposed to be free for season ticket holders but every time I logged in I was invited to either become an efc member or pay for the game; not very impressed to be honest.

19 Jul 2017 21:18:44
Rhapsody in Blue - I had a problem connecting at first, but that was my fault for leaving it until kick-off time. Once I had connected, the broadcast to my iPad was excellent. For Saturday's match, I'll be sure to connect well before kick-off and expect no problems.

19 Jul 2017 21:38:30
To be fair I didn't get to try and log in until about 1845 after running round the kids. I'll try at kick off next time. Cheers Bobby.

19 Jul 2017 19:54:57
I tell you what. Our squad looks great and Pickford and Sandro didn't play. Dowell could be a complete revelation this season. Connelly at left back looked good as did Martina at right back. Klassen didn't do much, Rooney has that touch of class about him. Boys this is a potential great season ahead oh a great to see Besic playing at centre back could offer us a great ball playing option as well.

19 Jul 2017 20:07:34
Besic could turn out to be great replacement for mori. Didn't he play for his country in euros last year as centre back?

19 Jul 2017 20:08:09
Klassen made a decent run for the header, bit more luck and we could have been congratulating him on a goal too. Lookman is looking energetic, I even like Mo Besic at CB doing all those positive runs but he's not really been tested defensively! . In fact I haven't really seen a player yet they hasn't impressed me.

19 Jul 2017 21:27:12
Besic is great at bringing the ball out of defence, but does he have the height/ strength to be a Premier League centre-back?
I’m old enough to remember a match away to Arsenal (in 1970-71 I recall - the season after we won the league) when Howard Kendall was moved to centre-back and we were slaughtered 4-0 because he couldn't cope with their aerial prowess. That experiment wasn't repeated!

19 Jul 2017 22:55:18
I think in a 3 yes Bobby his defensive duties would be different. As I said it offers options.

20 Jul 2017 00:06:25
Svenny - good call about Besic in a back-three - that might just work, but I'd like to see him prove it in a few more competitive matches.

19 Jul 2017 18:57:36
Miralas with a great goal, lookman has bags of ability but Barry was the best player on the park. Good first half for a pre season played at a decent tempo. Must add that Keane looks top top draw.

19 Jul 2017 19:37:01
Good goal by lennon he's got pace an can score maybe his everton career is not over i would be happy for him after his troubles.

19 Jul 2017 17:22:01
Here's an arcane point that perhaps one of the Eds can clarify.
Under UEFA regulations, the players we register for our Europa League full squad (known as List A) are classified as "locally trained" (i. e. homegrown) or not (i. e. essentially foreign signings) .
"Locally trained" players are further classified as "association trained" (in essence, been registered with any English clubs for three years before they were 21) or "club trained" (been registered with Everton for at least three years before they reached 21) .
There are limits on the relative numbers of each type of player in the registered squad. If we can't meet the rules, we may not be able to register the maximum of 25 players in the List A squad.
My point is this: does Wayne Rooney, having returned to the club he spent his youth registered at, actually qualify as "club trained" or is he now just "association trained"?

{Ed002's Note - Without checking the dates he is club trained at Everton. 3 years from 15 to 21 is the criteria.}

19 Jul 2017 17:39:40
His 15th birthday was in October 2000 and he was at Everton from before then (1996 I believe) until August 2004, so it would appear that he was registered with Everton for the required three years.

19 Jul 2017 20:06:50
Sid? Is that you buddy?

19 Jul 2017 20:47:56
Rhapsody in Blue - who's Sid?

{Ed025's Note - cowpat sid bobby..

19 Jul 2017 21:44:11
As ed025 said there was a poster called cow pat sid who has gone awol recently.
Your posts are very concise and informative just like his were, my post to you was a compliment not a criticism Bobby.
Apologies for any offence it wasn't intended.

20 Jul 2017 00:15:21
Rhapsody in Blue - no offence taken, mate. I’m now just as intrigued as you about who this “Cowpat Sid” character was. Before I registered on this forum, I used to read the posts and quite a few other posters from back then seem to have gone awol. A few, as I recall, were quite rightly banned for overstepping the mark, but it seemed that some were banned simply for annoying the grumpy Eds. Anyone know if Cowpat Sid was banned?

19 Jul 2017 15:03:45
Giroud could not even get off the bench when trailing 1 nil, 8 subs used by Arsenal, although Arsenal got a draw at the death and won on penalties, could this be the time to put a bid in for the guy.

19 Jul 2017 17:42:05
Update on the above Giroud had food poisoning hence missing the game.

19 Jul 2017 11:30:35
Things are getting ridiculous! We haven't signed anyone in hours!
Seriously tho Eds, who do you think our next one in will be?

{Ed025's Note - hopefully gylfi charlie, i think we will sign another forward but that could be a bit later in the window mate..

19 Jul 2017 11:58:12
Thanks Ed.

{Ed025's Note - no worries mate..

19 Jul 2017 09:24:20
Hi Ed 025,I too find Ross wanting £125,000 a week a bit steep he could have stayed with us for a great deal more silly lad, the grass is not always greener as many others who have left us have found, at the end of the day the way the team is being assembled under R K, he really seems to be badly advised not to want to stay, good times ahead Ed with Mr Moshiri we are not finished yet in the transfer window, and also the new Stadium, love it cheers mate, GuernseyBlue.

19 Jul 2017 11:52:50
Barclay is an idiot and should sack his agent he will end up with a ruined career if he does not get a grip on reality.
He needs to prove how good he is and not how good he thinks he his.

{Ed025's Note - very true milomj..

19 Jul 2017 11:52:58
My pennies worth re ross barkley situation. because he is a local lad being given the option to do what we would all as evertonians love to be able to do. play for our club and get paid unbelievable wages for. it makes us as supporters shake our head in dis-belief that he can turn this down when its so obvious we are going forward. if i had an agent who it seems may be giving meas a blunose the advice to leave my club . he wouldn't be my agent very long. ross is an eevertonian playing for Everton. doesn't really get any better does it? . i would love to say i can see him getting better but i dont. sorry.

{Ed025's Note - me neither mate..

19 Jul 2017 07:46:18
If, and it's a big if with any tabloid, if the rumours about Ross demanding £150 are true, then him and his agent need to give their heads a wobble. a) if he does not want to stay at Everton, then he could effectively be pricing himself out of a move, b) if they do cave in, he's going to be under more pressure than he was ever has at Everton to perform. he won't be afforded any grace. and based upon what I've watched, he appears to struggle with pressure.

His agent is doing him no favours. if! the tabloids are telling the truth.