Everton Banter Archive February 19 2014

19 Feb 2014 22:51:55
Big Dunc promoted to 1st team coach.

Hopwfully he will instill that battle hardened mentality and really teach our players what Everton is about if they haven't already got the message.
All the best big fella! Everton tatoos for all the 1st team! Lol

He is one of best striker tutor. I guess try to use him for this job.

Thats great news, just saw the announcement myself. can't wait to see the impact. Big Dunc's interview with EFC TV was a big smile re his attitude and desire for the U18; this was a few weeks past and it was self evident to see. Go for it Big Dunc and every success to you as part of the first team coaching team! Pleased as punch that you are on board in this capacity.

Who thinks that Duncan Ferguson will one day be manager of Everton?
The only question in my mind is that he and Roberto Martinez are similar ages and it might be a while before RM's good work is done at Everton and the opportunity arises for DF.

I thought that a few months ago Gabriel.
Just one question Jimmy, why did you sign for Southampton when you appeared so settled in Aintree?

What can I tell you, Mushy? I knew I was history once the cat signed Howard to join Colin and Bally in the Holy Trinity midfield that went on to win the league a few years later.

19 Feb 2014 16:55:29
This seems to be a big issue on here right now, for some reason, so here's my view:

Messi would NOT be as good in the Premier League as he is in La Liga, but he would still be the best player by a long, long way. Just like Ronaldo. Ronaldo was incredible when he was here, but his goal scoring feats where nothing compared to what they are in La Liga. Has he gotten better? No. It's just an easier league. Messi would have a tougher time against the more physical style, but would still get 30+ goals, comfortably. He demolished Arsenal and tore apart United: he has proven he can cut it against English opposition.

Also, he is definitely better than Ronaldo. All this talk about Ronaldo being 'more complete' is rubbish. All he is is a bit stronger, which he never uses because he just throws himself to the ground every time there is a physical duel. There is nothing else that Ronaldo can do that Messi can't.

Messi is the greatest of all time. He is the best player by a country mile. C.Ronaldo is the only player who is anywhere near him.

I bet Messi would really struggle against all the crap in the prem. He would be really worried playing the likes of Norwich, Cardiff, Fulham, Man Utd, Hull, etc.

He would have a field day and score goals for fun.

{Ed007's Note - If you think Messi is the greatest player of all time you must be a teenager. Do you think he would struggle against Everton?}

19 Feb 2014 17:56:57
except score goals from the halfway line, outpace dani alves with ease, outjump about anyone in the world in the air, score cracking goals with both feet, run all game, ronaldo is easily more complete that is fact, faster, stronger, better in the air, more two footed, more energy, more useful in defense, more powerful shots, shows up at international level and destroys teams for BOTH club and country, messi has better ball control and passing, that is it, literally, what attributes does messi have better than ronaldo other than the 2 I mentioned?

I too believe Ronaldo is the better player, although to say Messi wouldn't make it in the Prem is a shocking statement. Ronaldo is the stand out player in a pretty poor Portugal side hence he looks immense on the international stage as no one on his team steals the limelight and they're gameplan is 'give the ball to Ronaldo and see what he can do with it', where as Argentina have the likes of Aguero, Lavezzi, Higuain, Di Maria etc. Did you ever see Thierry Henry carrying France through a tournament or Alan Shearer carrying England through a tournament? No. Of course that must mean neither could hack it in the Prem. Hang on a minute.

You don't like Messi ed, I get it.

I am not a teenager, (I am 31) but he has raised the standard. Only Maradona is in Messi's class. And (at a push) Zidane and the Real Ronaldo.

C.Ronaldo is a level below him.

Messi would run rings around Everton, just like he would with nearly all the teams in the prem.

The prem is not the be all and end all like the media would like us to believe.

{Ed007's Note - I'm Scottish Mike and I'm more that aware that the EPL isn't anywhere near as good as the hype tells us, the Bundesliga is by far the best league in the world and has been for a good few years. Both Ronaldos, Maradona, Platini, Zidane, Zico, Garrincha, Maldini, Baresi, Baggio, Rummenigge, Cruyff and Beckenbauer are just a few players that I would say were better than Messi. Anything Messi can do Jimmy Johnstone was doing for Celtic 40 years ago.

He isn't 'all that' like the media would like us to believe, it's all part of the sick inducing media and fickle fans current love-in with everything Barca.

As far as I'm concerned he shouldn't even be playing football, look at the fuss over Lance Armstrong yet Messi and Barca have got away with it and it has nothing to do with Barca and Messi being the UEFA and media poster boys just now.}

Fair enough ed. I respect your opinion mate. I just don't agree with it.

I can't believe you left Jan Mucha out of your list of legends. He will surely go down as the greatest ever goalkeeper.

Correct me if i'm wrong but the proof your the best player in the world is the player who wins the ballon dor which was Ronaldo so the official best player on the planet is Ronaldo but he has proven him self in pl an messi hasn't so so do people no he can do it at top level. And ed i'm sorry but I don't share your view on bundersliga being the best there is only two teams in Germany

Responses:
1. Messi IS the greatest of all time. Period. Almost no ones record comes close, and those that do we're playing in a time when football wasn't even a fraction as difficult. You think Dixie Dean could score more than 10 in the Prem now? You think Cruyff would beat a single man?

2. Messi can, and has, scored from ridiculous distances, he just doesn't as often because Barca control such possession that he's not allowed. He is also incredibly fast, just look at his goal against Getafe. He can't head as well, granted. He can score with both feet, not as well, but still can, he just doesn't because he's better with his left. Ronaldo is shocking in defence and runs just as little. Messi can hit it just as hard. Only doesn't excel at international as much because Portugal are terrible and carried by Ronaldo. Messi is just another member of Argentina.

3. The bundesliga is terrible compared to the Prem. they have the best team in the world, and that's it. Dortmund are amazing when on their game, but as they've shown, a few injuries and they're all over the place. Bayer are second and their champions league campaign should speak for itself. They're a 1 team league with 17 other teams that barely anyone knows about because they're so sporadic.

4. The Ballon D'or is for the player who was the best over the course of the last year, not who the best player is full stop. Oviedo has had a better season than Baines, Baines is still better. Ronaldo won it because Messi has been Injured for most of the year.

20 Feb 2014 20:05:16
another point ab, neither track back but ronaldo is more useful because he can clear corners due to his great leap, semi final against chelsea in the champions league, he isn't allowed to shoot due to their possession game? iniesta and mascherano within 10 minutes of each other both had shots from 25 yards, why can't messi? don't even compare their shots, ronaldo scored a goal from the halfway line due to sheer power, messi can hit it hard, not as hard as ronaldo, messi is fast with the ball, without it he is meh, the likes of varane, zapata, mexes and murillo have had no problem beating him in a straight running race to the ball, ronaldo has more to his game, my mate is a liverpool fan, and my uncle who is also a red have said in terms of being an athlete (keep in mind they hate ronaldo), ronaldo is the most complete footballer on earth, that is undeniable, in fact you can't have an opinion on it, because it is so much of a fact, take a team like tamworth for example, who would perform better in such a bad team? ronaldo or messi? well the answer is very clear, your international point makes no sense, portugal are crap and rely on him (so a lot of pressure on him then) and messi is 'another member' of a very good argentina side (no pressure on messi then) yet ronaldo outperforms him on international level, not only 1v1 performances but in terms of their teams, portugal keep doing better than argentina, well portugal have one world class player, argentina have the best player to ever live and 8 world class players, why isn't messi doing better then?, again if you put messi in that portugal team and ronaldo in the argentina team, not only would portugal have failed to qualify for the world cup but argentina would become favorites to win it after germany, are argentina second favorites now? neeeoooopppppeeee, as ed has stated mate, messi is uefas poster boy, has been for a long long long looooooonnnngggg time, they chose ronaldo this season as they had no choice, ronaldo has outperformed messi, if they gave it to ribery or messi then there would be conspiracy theories (theories which have been going for a while now anyway), they had no choice, despite it being obvious ronaldo has deserved to win it more times, listen to this FACT, one year messi scored more goals than ronaldo, yet ronaldo won more trophies, messi won the ballondor, the next year the same happens, but this time ronaldo scores more, yet messi wins more trophies, its logic then ronaldo will win it, did he? hellll noooo, uefa have been up his and barcas a*ses for a long time

Mike-Ox Long

I can't believe poeple are saying messi isn't that good, I agree the Spanish league isn't good aside from real, barca and this yr athletico and a couple of other teams the budgets fo te Spanish clubs is next to nothing, yet messi' s record eclipses everyone's that played in la liga, I also agree that as a all round player I'd rather have Ronaldo in my team, but with the all a his feet running at poeple messi is unreal. Internationally he may not of shined but av seen him make some of the best defenders in the champs league look daft

19 Feb 2014 13:37:18
The ginger rat is at it again, this time floating a story in the press that he will come in with a 15 mill offer for coalman. The player is; under a long term contract, is 26, in his prime, and has never indicated he is unhappy or wishes to leave. In the the event that he did wish to leave, the price for the best right back in the prem would START with offers of 25m +. Everton were fined £45,000 for a four year old conplaint in relation to an offer for a youth team player, it is time the prem started to look at uniteds "backdoor" approches to first team players.

Totally agree with you JCW as I've already posted below. I've also posted the same on the Utd site.

19 Feb 2014 17:24:16
He can have my Coal man for nowt, he's always in the pub and I've been waiting 3 weeks for me bag of nutty slack!

If this is true (and please tell me where to look this up as an actual quote from him) he will have finally lost all respect from me.

.I had a bit more to say. if this is true, he has gone against everything he said in the past and just shows how Utd have consistently tapped up players one way or another. The law is an ass as the saying goes.

19 Feb 2014 06:35:02
It looks like we've got another battle on our hands this summer. Once again Moyes is eyeing another of our players; this time it's Seamus Coleman. After last summer when Utd kept coming back with derisory offers for Baines and Fellaini, my concern is that the same thing is going to happen again. Eds what is the contract situation with Seamus at present? Do we have to sell if we're looking to buy a striker? And finally if we did sell (and that's the last thing I'd like to see) what would be a realistic price for a RB that recently boasted the best scoring rate for any defender in Europe?

Have you seen the list of players that The Ginger Gargoyle has been linked with. It's like a who's who of players.
Coleman, Ronaldo, Bale, Fabregas, Vidal, Baines, Herrera, Mucha, Mangala, Garay, Rakitic.

How many of these superstars will want to play for failure of a manager though, who if he finishes 8th this season will see it as a great achievement.

Coleman will go to Arsenal before going to Utd. I'd say he would go for about £15 million.

Seamus won't leave us for a sinking ship.

I hope you're right PK. It's just annoying and frustrating to think he's at it again. I can't wait for the reception he's got coming to him when he brings Utd to Goodison.

Every player at every club is available (technically speaking) for transfer - even at the most successful and wealthy clubs - but only at the right time and only at the right price. Everton aren't under financial pressure to transfer players and Roberto Martinez has said it will be a football based decision if and when a player leaves. Why do some people not trust and believe him?

Good post Gabriel and I do trust in Roberto, but I don't trust Moyes.

19 Feb 2014 00:45:17
Alright boys!looking for some help.me and a mate booked train tickets down to Newcastle from Glasgow for the game in March.was wondering if anyone knows when it's been moved to?

{Ed007's Note - You bloody wee traitor, you're barred from Paradise for this sunshine... And if anyone sees him cheering on Naismith let me know!}