Everton Banter Archive November 18 2017

 

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18 Nov 2017 21:58:28
If we had brought in a new manager before the Watford game and got 4 pts from 6 you would all be saying how he's changed the mentality put some much needed fight in the team and if we can keep it up we should be safe but as it's only unsworth where going to get relegated, you lot make me laugh. A point away from home no matter where it is is always better than 0.

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18 Nov 2017 22:05:01
Still a poor performance Mick regardless of the result and still no clean sheet. Unsworth cannot get the job if he can't string 2 decent halves of football together.

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18 Nov 2017 22:20:42
So four points from Watford and bottom league Palace is acceptable then is it. Well if your aiming for mid table then I suppose your right. Thing is I thought we were aiming higher than that.

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18 Nov 2017 22:56:04
Yea woburnblue I'm sure you did, but in are current predicament yes I'll take 4 pts from 6 all day. the same Watford whose manager were trying to get, and palace fighting for their lives. I agree smit666 it wasn't a great performance but at the moment it's all about the pts.

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18 Nov 2017 23:10:41
Given the direction the club has been heading lately and the woeful performances we’ve seen, I’d say 4 points from 6 is progress. A small amount yes, but progress nonetheless. Signs that some things are slowly getting better, better team selections and better performances in some areas. Perfect, no. Encouraging, a little bit.

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18 Nov 2017 23:17:11
Well our expectations are a draw at Palace who are rank awful. They could and should have beaten us. If we are riding our luck and only getting a point off Palace then that is enough alarm bells for me. This needs sorting before it’s too late.

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18 Nov 2017 21:45:18
I agree with most that we are in big trouble, but would rather get a long term manager to keep us up and then lmprove us and take us to the next level. but the squad we have just bought are clearly struggling to adapt to what unsy is trying to implement, and its down to too many changes too soon, we can't string two passes together, can't keep the ball, and we are relying too much on our kids and putting too much preassure on them, how will they learn? And improve? a top class manager, and four top class proven players will sort us out at the moment and will show the rest of the squad how its done,

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18 Nov 2017 19:04:45
Hey Ed 025 I just can't get it out my head that Rhino is saying he was happy with a point at Palace, surely he has to go, not many fans will be happy with that statement if true, it shows no sense of what's needed to be lead us forward, i don't want him as manager.

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{Ed025's Note - to be fair GB a point away at any premier league club is not to be sniffed at, thats half the problem with our club and its supporters mate that they see everton as this sleeping giant, reality is that we are a run of the mill club who aspire to be one of the big boys but have the mentality of a mid table club, some blame the board and some the manager others blame anything they can think of to justify why we underachieve every season, unsy is not the problem for me its everton in all its glory who build up your hopes and dreams only to leave us deflated every time... yours sincerely an extremely fed up everton editor and long time fan who is nearing the end of his tether..

18 Nov 2017 22:14:33
Unsworth needs to go? He's an interim manager, who will replace him? Duncan Ferguson? Nah you're okay.

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18 Nov 2017 23:13:42
“He has to go”? What? He is the CARETAKER manager mate, not the person to take us forward etc etc. Win all your home games, draw all your aways - you would win the league. Palace may be bottom, but they’re not a bad side. People need to calm down.

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19 Nov 2017 01:26:03
ed25. You now seem as piss off as the rest of us, but, are you now ready to accept what so mant of us have been saying for years, the problem at everton can be sumed up in one word Kenwright.
He may, yeaars ago, saved us from the big bad wolf, but since then it has been a string of brocken promises and, misted oppertunities, if we are ever to have a succsesful club, than the time to stand aside is now, and in truth, should have happend years ago.

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{Ed025's Note - im not putting the blame on just bills shoulders JCW but there is something wrong somewhere, im not giving up on them because they are still my club but the frustration is driving me insane mate, we seem to have a small team mentality and i cant see how that will change anytime soon, you would think after 59 years of it i would be used to it by now..

18 Nov 2017 21:11:57
Everton are the only team to get a lucky penalty or the opposition make a mistake resulting in a goal.
Yea right give your heads a wobble.

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18 Nov 2017 23:22:53
Or we could get a manager to put a team out there with the many millions of pounds worth of talent we have, to create our own goals so that we don’t have to rely on ref incompetence and GK error to get a point at the bottom club in the league.

We are shocking right now and Unsy, as much as I like the fella, is not the guy to change it.

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18 Nov 2017 20:54:25
We have all the ingredients just need a top chef to mix it all together. Right now we are a fast food outlet. On paper it looks lovely, when in reality it's crap. Get a proper feckin chef in!

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18 Nov 2017 23:23:44
Chef Dyche please.

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18 Nov 2017 20:53:40
4 pts from last 6
Up to 16
Out of bottom 3
3 pts off top ten, you all need to calm down unsworth has done what has been needed and stopped the rot going 1.0 down ending up 3 or 4 people shouting for someone to come in to save us from relegation well that's what unsworths doing.

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18 Nov 2017 22:21:55
Look at the whole season, not the he last two games .

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18 Nov 2017 22:53:55
For me decisions need to be made and quickly. If Unsworth is keeping the job to see what he can do until January and then end of season, tell the bloke. If he isn't then tell the bloke. What the Squad need is certainty. On the subject of Palace v Everton, Palace are scrapping for their lives so people are correct when they say a point against any Premiership Club away is a good point. 4 points from 6 is also not relegation form.

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18 Nov 2017 19:29:35
I think we will get relegated if we don't get a top class manager ASAP.

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18 Nov 2017 20:01:05
It could easily happen there are a lot of teams on 10-15 points so imo we need to get big Sam in to stabilize the club, make sure we stay in PL. People comment that his style of play is not good etc. The majority of the teams in the league play crap football bar 3 or 4 teams so imo he the man to bring in at this time.

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18 Nov 2017 19:39:26
In the last 2 games we have been given 2 dubious pens, which if we’re rightfully turned down would see us 3 points worse off. Reality over romance and I’m sorry, we are still in trouble under Rhino. Please get Dyche in quickly. That man has got Burnley exactly where we were supposed to be. Challenging for Champions League.

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18 Nov 2017 21:19:27
Exactly Toffee ace mate, time to stop pussy footing around and get Sean Dyche in and let Rhino go back to young uns, we can't carry on like this dodgy scores dives and flukes will not save us, we will go down.

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18 Nov 2017 21:27:23
How was the penalty against Watford dubious, the defender brought Lennon down in the box and never touched the ball, if I'm not mistaken that's a pen so why would it be (rightfully turned down)

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{Ed025's Note - your right mick..

18 Nov 2017 22:35:47
Big Sam? What planet are you on? We don't need him.

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18 Nov 2017 22:54:00
Planet safety mate.

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18 Nov 2017 23:12:57
He slipped and went into Lennon. Some say pen, others no. I thought the defender was unlucky. Just my opinion. You can’t escape the reality that we could have lost both games as easy as winning and drawing. Look, we have no manager and are struggling with Rhino. This needs sorting and Dyche is the one for me.

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18 Nov 2017 23:16:51
Sean Dyche is a younger version of big Sam from a football point of view only no bung included 😆😆. Big Sam has way more experience. As I said in previous post three or four wins u b near top six with the standard of football in PL.

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18 Nov 2017 23:18:52
Time to stop reading this board for a bit. Some of the absolute crap being posted is enough to make a vicarious swear. Crying out for “Big Sam”, bemoaning the manner of goals as if they don’t count and hailing Dyche as the second coming, that we should go all out for, is beyond comedy. I know things aren’t great at the moment, but come on, put your rollers in and have a nose in the take a break for bit instead of spreading drivel.

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19 Nov 2017 00:31:57
Couldn't of put it better myself pierreleBleu well said.

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19 Nov 2017 00:47:06
What about the 2 penalties we never got at Leicester, one dubious, the other stonewall penalty, some you get some you dont, it’s ok saying goalkeepers have gifted us goals, I cannot think of any other team that has gifted goals as much to Everton’s defending and goalkeeper not keeping hold of the ball this season, Palace have conceded more, but nowhere near as many down to sloppy defending.

We are our own worst enemies, until we sort the defence and stop going a goal behind we will keep on chasing games.

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19 Nov 2017 11:25:28
Let me make it clear. We are not going down. Not under Unsworth. However in my opinion we are not going anywhere under Unsworth either. If your sole aim is to stay up then we may as well stick with Unsworth and save the ridiculous amount of money Fat Sam wants. If we want to push on and attempt to salvage something from this season (at this point 7th isn't a million miles away if we improve quickly) then we need to find the RIGHT manager.

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18 Nov 2017 18:41:07
Here are a few Stats about our beloved club I thought you may enjoy.

Wins

Most League wins in a season
29 in 42 matches, First Division, 1969–70

Fewest League wins in a season

9 in 22 matches, First Division, 1912–13
9 in 42 matches, 1979–80
9 in 38 matches FA Premier League, 1997–98 and 2003–04

Defeats

Most League defeats in a season
22 in 42 matches, FA Premier League, 1993–94

Fewest League defeats in a season
1 in 22 matches, First Division, 1890–91

Goals

Most League goals scored in a season
121 in 42 matches, Second Division, 1930–31

Fewest League goals scored in a season
34 in 38 matches, Premier League, 2005–06

Most League goals conceded in a season
92 in 42 matches, First Division, 1929–30

Fewest League goals conceded in a season
27 in 40 matches, First Division, 1987–88

Points

Most points in a League season (2 for a win)
66 in 42 matches, First Division, 1969–70

Most points in a League season (3 for a win)
90 in 42 matches, First Division, 1984–85

Fewest points in a League season (2 for a win) 20 in 22 matches, First Division, 1888–89

Fewest points in a League season (3 for a win) 39 in 38 matches, Premier League, 2003–04

Matches

Firsts

First FA Cup match – v. Bolton, First Qualifying Round, 12 November 1887 (drew 0–0) [3]

First League match – v. Accrington, First Division, 8 September 1888 (won 2–1)

First match at Goodison – v. Bolton, First Division, (won 4–2)

First European match – v. Dunfermline F. C., Fairs Cup, 25 September 1962 (won 1–0)

First League Cup match – v. Accrington Stanley, (won 3–1)

Record wins

Record League Victory:
9–1 v Manchester City, 3 September 1906; and
v Plymouth Argyle, 27 December 1930 (W Dean and J Stein both scored 4, a first for Everton)

Record FA Cup Victory: 11–2 v Derby County, FA Cup, 5th Round, 18 January 1890 (Hat-tricks from Fred Geary, Alec Brady and Alf Milward) [4]

Record League Cup Victory: 8–0 v Wimbledon, League Cup, 2nd Round, 29 August 1978

Record Aggregate League Cup Victory: 11–0 v Wrexham, League Cup, 2nd Round, 1990

Record European Victory: 6–1 v SK Brann, UEFA CUP, Round of 32, 21 February 2008

Record Aggregate European Victory: 10–0 v Finn Harps, UEFA CUP, 1st Round, 1978

Record away wins

Record League Victory: 7–0 v Charlton Athletic, 7 February 1931

Record FA Cup Victory: 6–0 v Crystal Palace, 4 January 1931

Record Top Flight Victory: 6–1 v Derby County, 5 November 1892

Record League Cup Victory: 5–0 v Wrexham, League Cup, 2nd Round 1st Leg, 25 September 1990

Record European Victory: 5-0 v Finn Harps, UEFA Cup, 1st Round 1st Leg, 12 September 1978

Record defeats

Record League Defeat: 0–7 v Sunderland, Football League Div 1, 26 December 1934;
v Wolves, Football League Div 1, 22 February 1939;
v Arsenal, Premier League, 11 May 2005[5]

Record FA Cup Defeat:

0–6 v Crystal Palace, FA Cup, 1st Round,

Attendances

Highest League Attendance
78,299 v Liverpool, 18 September 1948

Highest FA Cup Attendance 77,902 v Manchester United, FA Cup, 5th Round, 14 February 1953

Highest League Cup Attendance 54,032 v Bolton, League Cup, Semi Final, 1st Leg, 18 January 1977

Highest European Attendance 62,408 v Internazionale Milano, European Cup, 1st Round, 1st Leg, 18 September 1963

Lowest League Attendance 7,802 v Sheffield Wednesday, 1 May 1934

Lowest FA Cup Attendance 15,293 v Wimbledon, FA Cup, 3rd Round Replay, 12 January 1993

Lowest League Cup Attendance 7,415 v Wrexham, League Cup, 2nd Round, 2nd Leg, 9 October 1990.

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{Ed0333's Note - Has anyone attended all of these games?

18 Nov 2017 18:56:30
There are a good few of these I have been to. I was surprised when I saw they were club records. Have you been to many of them Ed?

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18 Nov 2017 19:01:12
Ed you should be asking has anyone played in any of them games? lol.

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18 Nov 2017 19:30:05
nice one mate that cheered me after today.

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18 Nov 2017 19:41:00
Were you at any of them GB mate?

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18 Nov 2017 18:37:30
Hi Ed 0333 not me who said we had the makings of a good team and stay up in the posts below, case of mistaken identity me thinks mate, as I said stay as we are and with the same manager we get relegated, cheers.

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{Ed0333's Note - ok pal thanks

18 Nov 2017 19:20:55
I hope you are wrong GB. Even the pundits are commenting on our apparent problems and confusion. In truth non of us know what is going on but I trust something is in the offing and after today things will move fast. 12 games 12 points carry on like this and we should be safe just on 38 points. Amazing to think that everyone had us top 6 pre-season.

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18 Nov 2017 19:32:25
your right there mate, not good stats, sure the board won't let this carry on.

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18 Nov 2017 18:31:05
We need an experienced manager in asap
I get Unsworth is an Evertonian through and through but there is still no shape to our play We would have probably at least equalled his points return since being in the hot seat if Ron would have still been in charge.

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18 Nov 2017 18:09:27
Just watched highlights of the the game again and Niasse definitely dived not a pen but not complaining, how the hell Rhino was happy with a point I will never know, only Niasse and Kenny played anywhere near their best, we carry on playing in this vein and with Rhino at the helm we will get relegated, new manager quick Mr Moshiri, i am sure he will sort this out pronto, he has moved mountains for us since he arrived at Everton.

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18 Nov 2017 18:02:42
Our fans are rubbish. Now Pickford is getting loads of stick, despite the fact he has been keeping us in games most weeks. I think collectively we've turned on every single player at one point.

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{Ed0333's Note - Sadly we live in an age of instant gratification Tommy. In my humble opinion Ronnie boy purchased some expensive duds and you will need time to phase these players out of the team or for them to show the reason they were bought. Results and performances will suffer in the interim and fans need to appreciate this. You won’t become Liverpool overnight (only joshing mate)

18 Nov 2017 18:32:04
Similar thing happened with Spurs and the bale money. It'll take a few seasons to get an established squad.

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18 Nov 2017 18:48:40
Think people are only pointing out his mistakes mate, like we do every other player and manager. No ones having a go at him.

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18 Nov 2017 19:18:10
I'm certainly not having a go at him. I said he is an excellent keeper and I think he has the potential to become even better and possibly England's number one. Overall, I think he's been one of the bright points in our season and probably the best of our new signings. However, he has an obvious and persistent weakness which is a dangerous one for a goalie. Saving shots is great - and he's a great shot-stopper, but pushing the ball back out into the danger zone is no good at all when it can be avoided. It has and will continue to cost us goals. Sometimes those goals have cost us points. I realise being a goalie is a thankless task and I know the guy is young, but it is something I'm surprised to see happen as often from a goalkeeper at this level, and it does need sorting.

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18 Nov 2017 22:38:37
Yeah but we even had someone saying that Robles needs to come in for him. That is ridiculous. So many overreactions at the moment.

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18 Nov 2017 17:40:19
Not sure how Rhino can say he's delighted with a point, except in the sense that we were lucky to get even that. Also not sure what he thinks they gave the fans to shout about? Perhaps he meant shout AT?

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18 Nov 2017 18:08:47
watched it today and we where very lucky imo I don't think it was a pen and after a mistake by their keeper Sakho should of stepped up and Niasse would of been offside I thought our tactics where wrong we played so deep at times you would think we where holing onto a 1-0 lead in the last minute I'm glad he took schniderlin off who again was really poor but again unsworth just like koeman had to make changes at half time after getting his tactics wrong I have to give by well dones to Niasse and Lennon who even though I have moaned about Lennon playing his second half display was superb but motm for me was Kenny he had zaha in his back pocket not many full backs can say that.

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18 Nov 2017 20:50:58
Bluey I hate to say I told you so. But we seriously need a sort out here. Today again was poor, we desperately need strong leadership. Oh and a central defender would be nice.

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19 Nov 2017 00:00:02
Woburnblue I will always try and be honest regarding games and today was terrible and we got lucky although I have to say after we got awarded a very dubious pen the ref gave us nothing the worst one was when the palace mid (can't remember his name) pulled tom Davies shirt towards him and the ref gave them a free kick absolutely terrible.

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18 Nov 2017 17:37:31
Joel should be given a chance - stats show he has a decent enough record to warrant a starting place.

played 51 - clean sheets 17 goals conceded 64

Pickfords record is played 43 clean sheets 5 conceded 80

As it stands we have the equal worst defensive record this year in the premiership and we cannot afford basic school boy errors from the GK. you can blame the defence and midfield all you like but the GK has to take some of the blame - todays game was a perfect example

Thank god for Niasse - not the most gifted but a dam hard worker - well done.

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18 Nov 2017 17:49:32
He's been cut a lot of slack because of his age and bad defending but he keeps making costly mistakes, palming it out in the danger zone. I agree Robles should get a few games its only fair.

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18 Nov 2017 17:33:23
Anyone think Niasse might be looking at a two game ban that penalty was very dubious and it looked like a dive.

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18 Nov 2017 17:45:15
If the ref saw and dealt with it can they revisit it? I didn't think they could.

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18 Nov 2017 18:11:33
no I'm sure the panel will look at it and if no contact he will be banned.

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18 Nov 2017 20:05:25
Thats only for cards or other incidents smit think the diving thing is completely separate and he could get a ban.

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18 Nov 2017 17:29:16
If we stick with Unsworth we will stay up but it will be nip and tuck. We need to get a manager in the next few weeks and give him a decent kitty for January.
At least we know we have some goals on this squad which a few weeks ago looked impossible. What we need now is some organisation in the middle and at the back.

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18 Nov 2017 16:59:38
Hey Ed 025 very poor again today mate, totally disjointed again only Niasse and Kenny any good in my eyes mate, new manager needed for me mate and quick.

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{Ed025's Note - battling performance for me GB but both teams were very poor, i cant believe the space we give teams in our midfield and how we give possession away so easily mate..

18 Nov 2017 17:18:03
Good point away from home but yes we need a manager to sort this lot out. There is a good team in there somewhere.

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{Ed0333's Note - Really Guernsey? I’ve been trying to find that good Everton team all season I can’t find it anywhere 😀

18 Nov 2017 17:21:12
What scares me is that we're playing two defensive midfielders and still leaving a ridiculous amount of space in the middle of the pitch. We'd be far better off playing Gueye on his own with another attacking player given we can't control the midfield anyway.

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18 Nov 2017 17:31:27
For me a good pt, ok we where lucky, but we need some.

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18 Nov 2017 17:36:12
Gana may aswell be there on his own with Schneidelin in the team. When will we learn he has to be dropped for a couple of months. Bring back Baningime or try Rooney there.

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18 Nov 2017 15:05:22
Pickford needs dropped - far too many errors - has the confidence of a GK who was relegated last season.

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18 Nov 2017 15:18:53
Garbage.

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18 Nov 2017 15:28:58
He's an excellent keeper except (big except! ) he parries almost everything he saves back into the danger area and it's pure luck whether it goes to a defender or attacker. We've already lost a few goals that way this year. It's basic stuff and he needs to sort it out.

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18 Nov 2017 15:35:35
Exactly my point - he gave away a silly penalty last week, he parries everything into the danger area - it needs to be sorted rather quickly.

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18 Nov 2017 16:20:39
Absolute nonsense he’s been class, who else we going to put in, Joel? Stekelenburg? We know why they don’t play.

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18 Nov 2017 16:59:59
I'm not saying he's not our best goalie, Swan, but two or three times in every game he parries a shot back out and it is costing us goals. He obviously should be playing but he really needs to stop it. Their first goal today was an example, although to be fair to him, that was a difficult one. It wasn't the only example today, though. One in the last few seconds could have cost us.

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18 Nov 2017 17:04:27
with you there swan mate, if it wasn't for him we would 10 down every time.

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18 Nov 2017 13:43:13
fed up with being disappointed every weeken, so i chuck a £20 on the other teams. happy if the other team wins but over the moon if everton win or draw. i got to say i'm a few quid up, would rather be celebrating everton in the top 6 though. if we keep on losing i might have enough funds to get a striker for us in window.

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18 Nov 2017 14:17:28
(sigh) . if only.

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18 Nov 2017 10:45:16
Jesus wept the amount of "IFS" on here today. if there keeper wouldn't have went off if we would have done this if we would have done that! let the watford game go lads it was 3 points whether it was sheer luck or deserved it doesn't matter ad take 3 points every week by being lucky. leave all this IF shouts now ay and we move on to tomorrow.

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18 Nov 2017 07:58:18
There’s a lot being made of the “luck” in the Watford game and scoring past the reserve goalie well sometimes it all starts with a little luck!
Plus you can only beat what’s in front of you, whether it’s a reserve goalie or not you still need to score the goals
Let’s draw a line under that one we’ve banked the 3 points and let’s juat get behind the lads for the next one!

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Premier League Match Previews Saturday 18th November 2017

18 Nov 2017 05:37:17
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Premier League Match Previews Saturday 18th November 2017

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18 Nov 2017 01:45:10
Just been thinking. If Sandro and Klaassen can't even make match day squad, then why aren't the being utilised in the U23's. They haven't become bad players overnight. People say that the Dutch league is weak, but Ajax got to Europa league final, which Klaassen played in. Sandro was heavily thought of at Barcelona by fans and did well to score 16 goals in la liga. If they not quite adapting to British football then surely a few games in U23 team will help them accustom to British football.

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