Everton Banter Archive July 18 2013

18 Jul 2013 21:37:07
Roberto has come out with WE ARE EVERTON when asked about selling player's. He is regularly speaking about the club and players. Very refreshing indeed.

I'm liking him already, good to see he's thinking like us fans and believing we can achieve better at this club.

Was great to see him in with the fans on wednesday night

18 Jul 2013 19:12:30
Would you guys rather see Bryan Oviedo as a full back or an out-an-out winger? I personally would like to see him as the latter.

Id like to see baines as an out and out winger and have oviedo play lb

Oviedo's defending isn't up to scratch atm, definitely rather keep Baines LB and Oviedo LM primarily.

Murf

18 Jul 2013 18:15:16
Unless baines or fellaini are holding the Utd jersey up then i'll believe it, Honda becoming a bore, maybe looking at creative midfielder but now Gibson giving RM a headache. i'd be happy to start with what we have COYB

I agree with the Gibson comment, I know it's only pre season but he's ha two cracking games. I'd like to invest in another striker and let Vellios go on loan

18 Jul 2013 17:23:06
Heard a rumour we are going through a heat wave. Or as it used to be known. Summer.

Watch Moyes make a bid for it then.

Only got it on a 4 week loan :)

18 Jul 2013 15:51:43
Hi guys sorry to offend you I c its only liverpool you guys have a problem with when I mentioned they have better players so let. Me explain. they have sturridge, gerrad, suarez if he goes I'm sure they would spend big with that money also that brazilian lad. they also look like they are going to be spending a lot more now than everton. I'm not being cheeky people I'm just sayin wat. I thnk and I know aston vill is going to struggle to stay up nxt year. I'm actually hoping you guys finish in the top 5 but I'm being realistic that it can't happen. does any1 agree with anythn I have pointed out without a bias opinion
Ashzn

Yes I agree with you when you said you will struggle to stay up.
Everything else is just laughable

I don't really understand what on earth you have just posted. The closest I come to understanding it is you have stated LFC have good players in SG, LS, DS and PC and that they will have good money to spend if they sell LS.

In no way does it, will it and should it, have a thing on EFC fans. State something else as, like I said, you state simple facts. There's no comparison. And certainly no 'unbiased' view because you mention nothing about Everton Football Club. If that offends any EFC fan then I would be massively shocked.

I was tempted to ignore your 'unbiased view' of a post, but thought I'd let you know you don't have a clue what you have just typed.

Oh, and by the way, it's not just LFC we 'have a problem with' - that can change at any point by us 'having a problem' with, for example, a League 2 club over their approach to wanting one of our players.

Go back to your own site and while you're there - Learn how to spell!

18 Jul 2013 18:03:57
No I can't say I agree at all, Gerrard is past it, sturrige ain't anything special at all and Suarez won't be with you next season. we have finished above you for the last few seasons now so how can u have better players? Reality is we will finish above you again and again, it's US who have the better players by far. If we finish fifth you will finish 8th if your lucky.

Westy

They spen big every year but don't always mean they buy better players I mean Carroll, Henderson, Allen, downing that's about 75million just on those four and you say there better than what we have brought in similar mirralas, Gibson, Jelavic, pienaar, felleni just a few over last 4 years spend around 35 million I know what set of players I would have rest my case

I sort of see where your coming from but money isn't instant success. its 11 vs 11. Imo liverpoo aren't as a tight bunch of lads. a lot of ego's and individuals. EFC lads work for each other thru think or thin. 2 seasons we finished above them and they had gerrard and the cannibal then. Our back 4 would walk into liverpoo team.

Sturridge - Mirallas is a far better player and will show this year, Gerrad is his hey day was outstanding getting on now- Fellaini is a much better mid IMO, SUAREZ WONT BE THERE, coutinio is a good little player but let's see if he has second season syndrome! we have baines jags distan coleman who would all be in with a chance of getting in there team so I think the message is jog on villa boy concentrate on your own ( by god you need it) thanks

Dont agree with anything the OP says but to posters like westy this guy is a villa fan not a red its people like you that gets us known as the bitters

Does it really matter? Arguing like a bunch of girls about who has the better players. Why don't we focus on our team and players and get behind them, and Liverpool fans can worry about their team. I couldn't give a monkeys about what players Liverpool have got.

Mike

For once, Mike speaks sense. :D

Come on an everton forum and demand an unbiased opinion? Well my unbiased opinion is that your post makes no sense. As for Liverpool having better players? My unbiased opinion is that they don't. End. Worry about your own pitiful shower

19 Jul 2013 19:18:41
Why bite, it's exactly what he is after :

If I had to pick an 11 from both sides this is what it would be. I support neither Everton or Liverpool by the way. A traditional 4-4-2


1 Reina
2 Johnson
3 Baines
4 Fellani
5 Agger
6 Jagielka
7 Mirallas
8 Gerrard
9 Suarez
10 Sturridge
11 Coutinho

Not being funny, but how can you have Johnson ahead of Coleman? Maybe at the beginning of last season Johnson would be in but not now, Seamus is one of the most improved players in the premier league and is easily better than Johnson.

18 Jul 2013 15:18:42
Good run out again last night. We seemed a bit more patient than the Austria game.

Mirallas and Oviedo were the highlights for me but I thought Fellaini looked really comfortable in the middle of the park. He looked to be enjoying the role and had plenty of the ball linking up well the defence and attack.

A few question marks of Robles's distribution for me. Second game in a row he has given the ball away to opposition and would still prefer Howard by a long way. He's commanding though and is not afraid to give it a mouth full if anyone is slacking.

The formation isn't too dissimilar to last season but you can see the big difference is the long ball missing and better build up play through the middle. The only real longish balls I saw were to the right and left wing backs in Oviedo and Hibbert/coleman. Although this wasn't used with Baines as he was being made to play short passes with Pienaar until he went off, which is them at their best.

Out of Velios and Anichebe for me neither would dislodge Jelavic or Kone. Velios has loads of running but a bit headless chicken sometimes and Anichebe's distribution sometimes is shocking but I can't help admire how he just keeps going.

As for areas still to improve I'd say still another striker and another right winger to challenge Mirallas.

All good though, Bring on Blackburn. COYB

I think we will need a lot of money for a winger to challenge Mirallas, think we need other areas more importantly

TC

18 Jul 2013 14:47:57
Hi all with the side you guys have I think its realistic u will
Be fighting for 7th 8th and 9th place. I would like your opinion. On this. I know that utd city chelsea arsenal spurs liverpool have far better players and squads than everton. I'm looking foward to what the everton fans will be happy wid, I'm not being bias because I support aston villa and I know we will be fighting to stay up again this year but from my point the top 6 this year have far better players. thank for replies
ashzn

Well we only lost 4 or 5 league games last year and we aim to finish higher this season considering our top scorer had 12 goals that's why we weren't getting into top 4 we need more goals to turn those draws into the wins we should of got even some of the losses we should of win ie Chelsea at home we battered them but could not kill them off to say Liverpool have a better squad is laughable Suarez and Gerrard take them away there nothing so yes aim is top 4 but Europe will do as its still progression, I would worry about your own team though as you are in for a real dog fight again and if you loose benteke your as good as down

The cheek of it!
Tom

And on another note, far better players, is that why they keep trying to buy our players then?
Tom

Better players? Joking right?

Haha, my favourite line

"Liverpool have far better players and squad than Everton"

I guess that is why they have finished above us the last 2 seasons, oh wait.

Haha, what a WUM! I see no reason why Everton can't challenge the top 6 like we did last season, our squad has improved, and who knows, maybe, just maybe Martinez is the man to bring us forward.

Liverpool better players than everton, do me a favour

Liverpool do have better individual players but Everton as a team are better.

Combined Liverpool/everton team on last seasons form
Howard
Coleman jags distin baines
Felliani Gibson
Mirallas Gerrard coutiniho
Dirty racist bity Rat

18 Jul 2013 19:32:10
Racist bitey rat. class. and the winner of best and funniest post ever

18 Jul 2013 13:20:33
to all the posters if Bainsy goes If felli goes

Who cares, we have had players managers leave before and always will.

We are Everton Fc, so stop frettin and let's get on supporting the players who are here as long as there here.

In principle the OP is right of course, but I thought the whole point of this website is rumours and banter, so IMHO everyone's free to air their views on any subject concerning Everton. So what if some subjects get boring and repetitive - it's up to the Eds to choose which posts to publish and when to draw a line under particular subjects deemed to be past their sell-buy date (the subjects that is - not the Eds!).

18 Jul 2013 12:52:04
We need to add a top CM to our side, as that seems to be the weak and thin part in our side at the moment. Mccarthy would be great but it seems we are being priced out of a move. Fer or Honda would have great as well. Diame is good, but I would like to see a higher profile player coming in. If we are playing 3 in the centre of the midfield a lot then we need more depth also. So Diame and another CM would be great. 3. 5 on Diame and 10-12 on CM Alderwield in-Heitinga out, and our team would be set for the season. This should not be out of our reach as champions league contenders. We need to invest or we will go backwards.

McCarthy would be the perfect player a equal/better passer than Gibson but with more physicality means we could play Gibson-McCarthy or McCarthy-felli
In a 4-2-3-1 without becoming too lightweight or over physical

Quinny

18 Jul 2013 11:30:25
if united going for left footed bale then he not going for baines. poss felli tho. tp.

That's the most ridiculous logic i've ever heard.

Imagine the left side of Bale and Baines, even as en everton fan you'd have to say you would be excited to watch that

18 Jul 2013 19:36:09
Even more excited if it was for Everton. but Coleman always comes out on top of his battles with bale

18 Jul 2013 10:51:20
not a rumour, buton the ad, is it me or is Cavani's hands abnormally large.

18 Jul 2013 08:57:04
Here's my understanding. Fellow posters please correct me if I'm mistaken.
Our Premier League registered squad (i. e. those senior players who are eligible to play for our first team) can contain up to 25 players of which no more than 17 can be non-homegrown AND over 21. The balance (up to the total of 25) must be homegrown. In addition, any number of players aged 21 or under (whether homegrown or not) can also be selected to play - they don't have to be formally named in the 25-man squad. They'll each just need a shirt number.
To be classified as 21 or under at this moment in time, the player's date of birth must be on or after 1st January 1992. (Obviously this changes year on year!)
To be classified as homegrown, a player must have been registered with an English FA or Welsh FA affiliated club for at least 36 months prior to reaching the age of 21. So, any player who's progressed through our academy, or spent the qulifying time as a youngster at another club in England or Wales, or joined us from overseas while still young enough to get the "36 months before reaching 21" will be classified as homegrown.
Based on the above, I reckon we've still room for 2 non-homegrown over-21 players in the squad - and that's not allowing for some current players moving out and freeing up a spot.
The current 15 non-homegrown over-21 players are: Howard, Joel; Heitinga, Distin, Coleman, Alcaraz; Gibson, Oviedo, Pienarr, Fellaini, Gueye; Jelavic, Kone, Mirallas, Naismith.
Players like Francsco Junior (born 18 January 1992) and Vellios (born 8 January 1992) are currently classified as 21 or under, but will become non-homegrown over-21 players in due course. I understand they won't have done 36 months while under 21 even though they joined us while under 21. When they do get reclassified - and if no one has moved out to free up a spot - we'll have reached the limit of 17.
Someone like Deulofeu is still under 21, so doesn't use a non-homegrown spot in the squad.
This homegrown malarkey is just one of the many reasons for bringing players from our academy through and developing them as first team players. Also, even though it's a big investment to run an academy and a development programme, it must surely be less expensive than paying transfer fees and it means the young players learn the "Everton" ways from an early age.
Simples.

I was sure I was signed in when I submitted the OP, but my name doesn't appear at th end of it.

I got to fourth paragraph before deciding to enrol on a law degree - so I will finish the remainder upon completion of that course.
Thanks!

Interesting that Coleman, Gibson and Naismith aren't counted as homegrowns, never really thought about it like that

I might be incorrect about the homegrown status of Darron Gibson, as he might have done the "36 months while under 21" when he was a younger at ManUtd. Anyone know for sure?

Gibson did 36+ months under 21 at united

18 Jul 2013 08:38:37
I think we need a back up/competition for Gibson as we really struggle when he's out injured as we have no one with his passing range or ability to control a game from deep. Suggestions? I'd go for McCarthy but for 10m tops.
Quinny

I agree about backup for Gibson, but would a £10M player be content to be a backup? Could our club currently afford to have a £10M player just as a backup and not play a majority of first team matches? With 38 league games, perhaps you could have 16 or so "first choice" players each making about 25 starts (allows for injuries, suspensions, rotation, etc. ) and the rest of the squad (and youngsters) making substitute appearances or at least being on the bench. If a player isn't involved, why would he want to stay AND why would we retain him if he's not good enough for selection?

Think the last part of filling the squad is getting a central/defensive midfielder to cover for Gibson, but more importantly Fellaini. Someone like Diame would be nice.

Right now, there sing really any cover for those 2 if they were to get suspended/injured. Hoping Martinez can find one on the cheap or on loan. Then our squad would look really strong and confident ahead of the season, of course still think we could do with another attacking mid as well.

We have a massive problem here - RM making Gibson our 'playmaker' - he regularly misses half a season - so how do you accommodate that?

Any team pressing to achieve things needs a solid group of players who don't keep getting injured - or a big squad - but we don't have that - (yet, at least)
as second poster says - how do we fit two high quality players into one position and keep them both happy?

Laughable gents. To suggest McCarthy or Diame would be happy to move and play second fiddle to Gibson is a little silly.

They are both talented players (and I should know as I've seen them both play live about 200 times between them).

You think they will sit on a bench. Why exactly?. Oh no, don't tell me, because your Everton.

Dont make me laugh.

18 Jul 2013 07:05:01
just a thought here not a rumour, let's say we have 10 -12 mill to spend on a player, that player would probably want 60-70k a week so instead if utd want felli ask for a swap for rooney we would then have 70k of fellis wages still 10 -12 mill and the 70k we don't have to pay the new player, that would mean we could pay rooney 140k per week and then maybe swap jelavic for diame meaning were not short in midfield. and in my opinion only lost a player who wants to go and an out of form player but replaced them with probably the biggest publicity stunt the club could make plus making the team stronger. all ifs and buts I know but what are your thoughts ed? {Ed025's Note - i would love him back frank, but this is the real world mate, not going to happen..

I agree with you ed but wouldn't it be good if bk and rm threw that back at moyes

18 Jul 2013 08:09:03
Rooney is not coming back yet, maybe his next move is more realistic. Would love him back, but whilst Stretford the pimp / agent is responsible for him, it will always be about the best deal and not Rooneys love for Everton. He did it with us, although we probably needed the fee, and he will do it with Chelski.

In the meantime, Gibbo looks like he will be pivotal this year the way RM plays. Concerned that as he is a bit injury prone we need at least as good cover for him.

Think we are in for a decent season, but please give RM at least a couple of years to improve the club bottom to top, he is not just here for the first eleven.

If he is allowed this time from the fans (sure he will be) then I think combined with Fair Play we will be looking at Everton challenging the top 4 without having to spend mega bucks that we haven't got.

This is my hope / plea to fellow blues.

Paddock neil

Bill could get the rights to " Rooney - the musical" too

Coleen could save a few ££ by shopping at Primark and Iceland

Deal done! ;-)

Re the musical rights, surely someone already has the copyright to "Shrek the Musical"?