Everton Banter Archive May 17 2015

 

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17 May 2015 15:40:59
Now i'm no fashion expert especially in football kits but has anyone seen the new kit, starting next week in the Spuds game? Well can't say its very inspiring, to think its probably gone through how many designs and really hard work by the designers and this is what they come up with!! not sure what to say really, other than maybe they should leave it to a kids competition in the future to design it.any thoughts blues? or just can't be arsed?

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17 May 2015 16:09:36
its been leaked on the internet and its nothing to get excited about to be honest!

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18 May 2015 08:32:04
its awful , umbro are a very poor brand.

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18 May 2015 11:17:36
Thats not the real kit lads. Toffee TV have said that it wasn't.

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18 May 2015 11:42:37
i like the kits with the big bandages on the arms, mainly because we did well with moyes' last season and martinez with them.

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18 May 2015 12:15:18
I thought last seasons shirt looked a lot more classy than the cheap american Nike shirt.

It can't be any worse than the New Balance effort for Liverpool. Them yellow stripes around the collar look awful.

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17 May 2015 14:17:26
There I was sitting in the Clients big office as the VP forcibly used his hands and eye contact to put his view of the future squarely before me. The need for change was immediate and a report of substance was required for board presentation. As a VP myself, I took this ticking off in good measure. After all, his anger was not directed at me. What then, I asked, do you mean when you say the need for substance but without the detail? Detail, I carried on, is the very devil of life. He leaned back, took out a piece of paper, folded it and said, "its an empty sheet. Forget all before and make me believe that you can make a change". Now you are me. This is serious money. I am talking about $2.5B over 6 years. Just like a big footie club like EFC
What's really going on your blank piece of paper?
Not to throw the baby out with the bathwater?
Tinkering here or there?
The big buy?
Bill's been at the head of things for a time now. He knows the score. We need some element of knowledge transfer and a succession plan to propel us into a better future. We are slipping off the finance league for top clubs (we are now 43rd, slipping from the worlds top 20). Decline is there. It is inevitable without change. It needs management action. That damned blank piece of paper again!

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18 May 2015 17:04:28
What would you suggest Torontotoffeman. What you are saying here is you have a blank white piece of paper. You haven't put anything on it.

What Bill and the men in power are saying is we need a new stadium. That is what they are proposing to move us forward. Every finance person who has talked about us getting a new investor/owner and for the club to move forward is a new stadium.

Don't forget though a general manager is a world apart from being a chairman.

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18 May 2015 17:52:42
We will never move forward as a club without a new stadium being built. What are the current board or investors doing to make it happen? Like him or not I would like a owner like Abramovich- football is about winning trophies, something we have not seen in too long.

So, the blank piece of paper- it will stay blank until this a stadium is built and we will never move forward as a club.

Clubs like West Ham who get the Olympic stadium- it's frustrating.

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17 May 2015 13:53:45
Does anybody think "The Boss" deserves some praise for yesterdays victory.
1-1 with 20 mins to play, away from home, and he sends on 2 attacking wingers and Bingo!!
What would DM have done??

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17 May 2015 14:20:37
I think your askin the wrong people Alan give Martinez praise not on this site mate lol

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17 May 2015 14:23:29
Agreed. DM would have gone for the point.

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17 May 2015 18:27:12
He may have gone for the point or he may not have gone for the point. but we would have been at least 4 places higher in the league already. In my humble opinion.

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17 May 2015 19:09:27
With this squad degsy? Moyes wouldn't work with it, players like stones, lennon, naismith and lukaku would have been sold or never bought and with how the rest of the teams are doing i'd say we would be about 7th or 8th under moyes. Mainly because we wouldn't of got out the europa group stages. We would still be trophyless too. Least are fans could enjoy the european trips this season and got to see some good stuff. The league and cups have been bad, the league slightly worse probably than if moyes was here but oh wait. No, we wouldn't be higher if moyes was here, as we would still have jelavic and anichebe who get about 9 or 10 goals a season combined whereas lukaku has 20. Not to mention players like garbutt, galloway, browning and joel never getting a breaktgrough. To the op, if moyes was in charge of that game, he would have brought heitinga on and put naismith right wing and maybe brought jan mucha on to play centre back. While we have been poor this season, thank god we are away from moyes and his neverending streak of blandness. Give me a 10th place finish with a good run in europe and giving lots of youngsters game time all while having some great players already regulars like stones, mccarthy and lukaku. Over an 8th place moyes season with no youngsters, no exciting players with potential and non stop excuses about anything he can find.

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17 May 2015 21:55:42
Moyes would have finish top 7

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18 May 2015 18:29:48
Wow Swan, I bow to your in depth knowledge of what Moyes would do. I never realised you were clairvoyant. By the way, Stones and Naismith were signed by Moyes. so that one is a bit off. Also Garbutt has had such a breakthrough season with RM so that he has just signed a new 10 year deal? Lukaku? maybe you have a point.but wait. we sold Fellaini to pay for Lukaku. so maybe, just maybe we might have had a different forward? And if you are happy to settle for 10th with the type of super football that we have played this season (not) then you see football different to me. I thought the last season under Moyes was awesome.

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19 May 2015 09:17:53
I never said he didn't sign him, I said he would of sold the. Or wouldn't of played him (he never played stones and always had naismith on in the 92nd minute to waste time). Also, garbutt? Its his choice if he wants to leave, 10 year deal? Keep it relevant. Moyes wouldn't of sold fellaini and if he did, he wouldn't of signed a player like lukaku, maybe a shane long or kevin doyle. Also, me clairvoyant? that's a bit rich coming from you degsy.

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19 May 2015 10:13:08
Swan, DM bought Stones and Naismith

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19 May 2015 11:49:49
i didn't say he didn't buy them, he just never played them and both would of been sold or in the reserves by now.

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20 May 2015 10:33:22
Theres the clairvoyance again Swan. lol

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17 may 2015 13:10:27
just remember what happened at leeds portsmouth cardiff now at newcastle even the red shite nearly got turnned over by so called rich men. i would take bill over them all day long

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17 May 2015 19:15:52
You must love being mediocre that's all I will say.

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18 May 2015 00:12:01
Well said mike

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18 May 2015 03:56:29
Those who think Bill is doing such a good job, should learn the diferance between stability and stagnation.Kenwright is leading us to a long slow demise. He may well have started off with the best of, intentions, but, the road to hell is paved with good intentions, another five years of bill, will see us scraching around the lower devision, trying to survive and living off long lost glories.

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18 May 2015 10:30:42
so what can we do to get a rich man to come save our demise?? I agree we need to move on but we can't get sold if there's no buyers intrested ,

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18 May 2015 11:18:56
course there are people interested, but kenwright wants to stay in control without paying anything but raking in the cash.

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18 May 2015 11:46:54
like who swan? who wants to buy us. old squad old stadium , going to have to fork out a fiortune to take take us to the next level

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18 May 2015 12:03:20
i don't know, or maybe the club isn't for sale, ask kenwright but of course 'blue bill' gets off scotfree. we are getting a new stadium aren't we? kenwright said we are didn't he? oh of course things went quiet. build are hopes up every few years to keep things interesting while 'blue bill' reaps the rewards, excellent.

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17 May 2015 10:00:02
I think most will agree the season is ending on a better note than was expected a few months ago, but still not good enough. With all due respect to Stoke, Southampton and Swansea, they should not be finishing above Everton. All three of those clubs are well managed and coached, together with a responsible owner /chairman.
I didn't like the TV cameras zooming on a banner at West Ham yesterday say "Kenwright go" or what ever. Be careful what you wish for because if Bill decided to go now the club would be in deep sh. I have been critical in the past of decisions made but at the moment cannot think of anyone more suited to be chairman.

I suggest forget this season, start next season with a clean sheet regarding likes and dislikes of chairman, manager, coaching staff and players, then judge from there on. They will know where and when they have made wrong decisions and hopefully have learned from it.
As for expectations, a top six finish is the target and would expect a good run in the FA Cup preferably with a Wembley visit at the end collecting the trophy. Forget European football as the strength in depth isn't there at the moment.

Where I am concerned is that on Evertonfc, news now site Martinez has been stating he has no plans to buy a new forward as he is happy with Lukaku and Kone. He has no plans to look for a new goalkeeper. He has said Alcaraz and Distin have a future at the club, but it is up to them.? Whether this is fact or spin to deflect from possible purchases or not remains to be seen.

Regarding ownership think yourselves lucky we've not got an owner like Newcastle have.

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17 May 2015 12:43:58
K your last paragraph sums up what we are all worried about. If he still believes Kone is a prem striker, then there's no hope. As for Bill, he won't sell because the money men behind him want a big profit, and that's not going to happen.

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17 May 2015 13:43:54
Weve been through some new sheets mate.

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17 May 2015 18:28:21
How many goals for Kone now?

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17 May 2015 19:16:35
Degsy i'm not getting into it with that whole debate again but let me ask 2 things. 1. Were you made up when kone got injured for 18 months and 2. Do you want players too do bad just to make you look right and if you do, going back to osman, do you want us to get beat when he isn't playing?.

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20 May 2015 10:44:40
What stupid questions Swan. Of course I was not happy when Kone got injured. although I had said it was stupid effectively swapping a nearly 30 year old past it player for a 23 year old player of similar ability. but you did tme Kone was class and 100 times better than Anichebe. If you remember.I said purely as a business transaction. it was crazy. But I always want Everton players to do well. I could ask you the same here. Osman.was I right or was right? Few games at the beginning of the season with Osman. Everton doing ok. 11 matches in the middle of the season without a win Ossie out. End of season pick up oh Ossie is back. You and about 5 other posters on here ridiculing me all season for suggesting he still has a role at Everton. besides you the rest have gone quiet. I wonder why?

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21 May 2015 11:47:24
it had nothing to do with him having a role at everton, it was you suggesting we couldn't win without him. also, I never called him class, I don't remember telling you that, same with mcgeady, don't remember calling him quality, I will admit I thought alcaraz would be a decent signing, never quality. swan.

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17 May 2015 07:09:35
Id like to ask everyone who wants us to sell to some foreign billionaire what they think it will achieve football clubs can only spend what they make owners are only allowed to invest a fraction of what they used to be able to do when the likes of Abramovich and the sheikhs took over Chelsea and Man city the days over Billionaires coming in and spending a couple hundred million on players is over I'd rather have a club that is run properly, with a bit of passion than one that takes a gamble on spending beyond their means and falling foul of FFP (which I believe only helps the big clubs ) AlthoughI agree RM has made a lot of mistakes this season its easy to forget his first two season have seen us finish higher in both than Moyes managed in his first 2 seasons in fact the second season of moyes tenure saw us finish 17th with 39 points our lowest ever total. It begs the question where would we be now if Kenwright had sacked Moyes in that second season which according to a lot of posters is what a manager not finishing in the top six deserves at our club. I think we all love the club and want it to challenging at the top end of the table but none of us have run a football club none of us see what goes on day in day out at Finch Farm so I prefer to trust and support the manager while he is here. People call Martinez a fraud because he is always positive after a result but I'd be willing to bet that those same people who were criticizing Moyes for his dour after match interviews.
There's only one match to go and after yesterday European football is almost certainly out of reach (thankfully) So let's start with a positive approach to the season I understand there will be those who still want RM out and that's fine but it will not help the team to start well if we project nothing but negative sentiment.
Phew I have't wrote that much since I was at school I'm going for a lie down.

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{Ed025's Note - good read that AL, f

17 May 2015 10:02:28
How about a new stadium also promoting our brand more there are still a lot of advantages to a rich owner.

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17 May 2015 12:46:45
For is a load of rubbish, the money men will always find a way around it. That's how they make there money in the first place. Only have to look at where the World Cup is going to see that.

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17 May 2015 00:22:36
R u 4 real the season is one of the worst I recall since the waiter smith days & some of the performances between Dec & feb were worst I've witnessed since the Walter smith era

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