Everton Banter Archive March 17 2018

17 Mar 2018 22:23:00
I’m still on the fence about Allardyce. The way we set up against teams and the tactics aren’t entertaining but he’s still working with what he inherited.

As far as I can see. He’s made a couple of signings and those signings have been some of our best performers over the last few games.

Perhaps it’s also a combination of having Baines and Coleman back plus the addition of jags but Walcott and Tosun are looking lively in attack.

I would definitely leave SA in charge until the end of his contract.

18 Mar 2018 06:06:52
I think I am with you JDE. especially re his signings. They are far better than Martinez/ Koeman signings other than a couple. Lukaku is one. Gana another. The league table does not lie and 12 months with 2 away wins. none under Koeman and now 2 under Allardyce. But it seems some are jusr hellbent on getting rid of him and were unhappy before he was appointed. A bit like my posts. they will never agree with them. that's just the way it is.

18 Mar 2018 06:57:46
Don't understand how you can pass judgment on Tosun and Walcott yet. Tosun is looking decidedly decent but most strikers do in a burst of scoring. See how he deals with the droughts that come along. I think he will be OK but let's see
Walcott is a different matter. His career has been a tale of long spells of anonymity interspersed with flashes of excellence. There is no doubt about his talent just his ability to show that talent on a regular basis. I have said before that may be he will thrive on not being a peripheral figure for Everton. I hope so but in his case I think it will be the middle of next season before we know one way or the other.

18 Mar 2018 08:00:30
Our DOF identifies players and the manager identifies what type of player he needs so to call them Allardyces and Koemans signings is not exactly correct.
We knew in September we needed a striker so Walsh will have been working on it long before Sam came in. Moshiri saw the guy tear Monaco apart in October so will have had some input into identifying or reccomending him.


Regards Tosun, let's not assume anything yet. Remember the lad who we were after that joined Southampton in the summer (gabbiadini) came in and scored 6 in 6 and I thought, WOW have we missed out. I don't think he's scored since. Remember Jelavic!

So let's not get too carried away just yet.

18 Mar 2018 08:27:12
You can judge a player over a couple of games and have a good idea of what they’re about. Then you’re either right or wrong.

Tosun said that he arrived in the Turkish winter break and he wasn’t at full fitness when he arrived. I still thought that he was decent against spurs although it was clear his legs were going towards the end of his appearance. But you could see what sort of player he was.

I’m not saying he’s a world beater but he’s been lively in attack and one of our better players over the games I’ve seen. He can finish, he’s holding the play up when he needs to and he also has an eye for a pass at the right time. Good foundation to work on.

Walcott I totally agree with you.

Let’s be honest with ourselves though. A prem player will have 5-10 really solid games a season. 5-10 off days where they’re as much use as a dry wet wipe, then they will have 20-25 games where they are in cruise control and not really affect the game in a position or negative way. Walcott is exactly this sort of player.

Any player that performs above average, home or away and affects the game in a positive way every single week is very rare, they are extremely expensive and not the sort of player that would want to play in snowy old Liverpool.

They are out there but they won’t be pulling an everton shirt on anytime soon.

18 Mar 2018 08:34:38
No ones getting carried away hahahah.

I said they’ve been our best performers over the last few games, which they have in my opinion.

I’m not saying that he’s going to score at a rate of 1.3 goals a game until the day he retires and if he doesn’t then he’s a flop. That’s very unlikely.

As Glennk said, when the goals are coming and you’re high on life then goals are easy to come by, let’s see how he performs when he’s been 4-5 games without a goal.

To be fair though, strikers need to score goals but we all love a Stracqualursi or AJ striker who works his nuts off for the team too. I think Tosun looks like he works hard and that's what needs to continue.

18 Mar 2018 08:38:02
You do good posts mate. a lot of them a debate openers but that's good as it means you are touching on the right topics. Above all, nobody truly knows what's gone wrong to the full extent and what paths to take moving forward so opinions will differ. Add the hard season with endured and things bubble over sometimes. Imagine how boring it would be on here if we all agreed?

18 Mar 2018 09:18:12
ha ha our fans baffle me we win 2 games on the run one of those being away and now Sam is the man behave he should be shown the door asap he is a fraud and should never of got the job in the first place.

18 Mar 2018 12:55:42
Nah, its the fact he has been blamed for everything from scabies to Brexit and beyond. He has only been here a handful of games and people have very short memories. We were 3rd from bottom when he took over. We had lost 6 on the bounce then drew one and lost the next. that's 1 point from a possible 24. Ok Unsworth then got a decent win. and I would have been happy to see how Unsworth did, but at least Allardyce has some experience and with our very dodgy position I was ok about him coming in to do a job. His ability was not going to turn us into a top 4 side immediately. his target was to make us safe. He has clearly done that. Yes his football at first was not pretty. But hey 1 point from 24 just prior to that under Koeman and Unsy shows the capability of the squad we had. Yes he is fortunate to have Coleman and Baines back. Yes he has made 2 good signings in Walcott and Tosun. Yes he has been instrumental at getting us to 40 points. I honestly feel that the wheels had come off and we were destined for the Championship when he arrived. I will be forever grateful to him for securing our place in the Premiership and also for a couple of decent signings. I would hope our supporters would be dignified enough to accept him as manager. but unfortunately, I suspect the "toxic" nature of some will force yet another change on the club. I do know from my experience in football that too many changes can be disruptive and players don't know what is going on around them and little groups of players can form. mates slagging off other players who they think are not pulling their weight. It then can suddenly go sour. I hope this does not happen within our club just because some people are hell bent on getting rid of a manager who has managed to turn round what was a very precarious position.

18 Mar 2018 16:55:36
The thing is though mate it's 95% of the fans who want him gone. We need a new, young exciting manager to start a new 'project' again. Get the team playing a particular style and sign players to fit in. Koeman and Allerdyce don't play decent football very often.
Even when we finished 7th last season the football was often crap with Lukaku isolated. If it wasn't for Roms massive amount of goals we'd have had a season more like this one.
Let's get someone in with fresh ideas who knows how to play decent attacking football.

18 Mar 2018 16:59:37
We were 13th when Allardyce took over and had just beaten west ham 4-0 Degsy.
He hasn't only been here a handful of games and he hasn't been blamed for Brexit and Scabies. Talk about Hollywooding it up.

I appreciate you want him in charge Degsy but you do skew the facts in his favour somewhat. By all means back him, and mock our short memories but do it with facts that are actually correct.
And you call all who want him out and a better manager to take us forward as TOXIC?
Get off your high horse Degsy, you are a fan like us all, please don't patronize us for wanting better for our club, even if you are happy with what we have.

18 Mar 2018 18:15:24
End of the day his tactics are very negative and over the course of a full season we would lose/ draw more than we win with the sort of set up he goes with. Let's not get carried away over beating a poor Stoke side who had 10 men and the other away win at Newcastle was more down to luck than an Allardyce tactical masterstroke.
We need a new manager to take us forward and establish a new identity at the club, we need a manager who can harness the attacking players he has at his disposal and have us actually play with attacking intent.
You may think Allardyce has been our saviour Degsy, but in all honesty he has only won the games we were expected to win on paper and hasn't really won a game were we would not have expected to, so personally I think we would still be in the same position with either Koeman or Unsworth as he hasn't really changed anything tactically that they were both already doing.

19 Mar 2018 04:02:40
You do seem to be all over the place DEGSYP. In a previous post you agreed
No - he doesn't play good football
No - we won't win trophies with him in charge
No - we won't get into top 4 with him as manager
Yet you want him to remain and anyone who doesn't want him to remain are toxic ?
At the end of the day I just want the best for Everton. I want a manager who can improve us and get us challenging for trophies and getting into Europe. I want good football being played because you show me a team at the top that doesn't play it.
If that makes me toxic then bring it on NSNO.

19 Mar 2018 12:47:54
Bluey79 I agree with most of your posts.
Spot On! The swing of hysteria is deafening.
As in everyday life. This page and others like it are full of people that I find amazing they have figured out how to breath for themselves.

17 Mar 2018 20:52:55
Great day out today, amazing to get a win away from home. First half really poor, maybe blame the weather. There was so much space but we didn't do anything with it. Second half the lads were up for it and it was great to see. Cenk ran his socks off all day and should of had a hat trick if DCL played him. Love him already. Jags is on the back of every Everton and England shirt I've owned since I was young and tofay he proved why I rate him so highly again. I think Keane being with the three others at the back will really help him develop. Great being next to the stoke fans too, they are one pyscho bunch. Onwards and upwards blues.

17 Mar 2018 21:53:14
Spot on lad.

17 Mar 2018 22:23:36
Never in doubt Toffee. Thought we were hesitant rather than poor to be fair and Stoke flattered. Agree with most on Pickford, watched the lad home and away now, he is far and away the finished article, he is a shot stopper and reactor rather than positional such as Buckland. Much to my chagrine I cannot recall who our Goalkeeping coach is but I cannot believe he has not noticed this inherent weakness in Pickfords game. All in all though our game is coming together at last and playing to our strikers strengths (yes ED25 Bolasie comment noted) , the width is there and with that a lad who knows where the net is.

17 Mar 2018 19:43:28
Really good article in the dare i say it The Echo about how our win only papered over the cracks of Big Sams reign, good read.

17 Mar 2018 19:52:29
I have been Allardyces biggest critic but he has managed the 2 away wins this season so pampering over cracks or not he has to take some of the credit, which I am sure he will lol.

17 Mar 2018 20:03:17
No doubt he will Smit but I want him gone in the summer, i see in some of the rags its being reported Fonesca would like a chance to manage a Premiership Club and I think he would be ideal.

17 Mar 2018 20:19:43
Still Dyche for me GuernseyBlue.

17 Mar 2018 20:28:57
Just about everyone does now GB. He hasn't endeared himself to us fans. I remember a quote from Moshiri when Sam came in saying, it's not so much the results but the performances and the team coming together. Well that's not happened.
I would like Fonseca, he would bring a breath of fresh air to the club.

17 Mar 2018 20:39:19
ditto mate.

17 Mar 2018 20:51:59
GB and Smit I'd love to see Fonseca to come would be a breath of fresh air after watching some of the shaktar games, it's a catch 22 though he could come and it not work out but I'd give definitely give him the job get rid of all the dead wood and start next season fresh and hopefully Brands as DOF.

17 Mar 2018 20:55:29
I certainly think Fonseca has a good chance of coming, but I have to be honest - I don't know anything about him! I just don't fancy dyche for some reason. Maybe because he very much reminds me of Moyes.

17 Mar 2018 21:02:41
I think Marcel Brands would be a great addition as well.

17 Mar 2018 21:17:30
Could we watch Dyches brand of football for the next 3-4 seasons?
Not me. It would grate on me after a season. Love the guy but not his style.

17 Mar 2018 21:55:13
I don't know about papering over the cracks GB, the cracks we have need plastering not papering mate.

17 Mar 2018 22:30:05
Could be worse, Pardew anyone!

17 Mar 2018 20:10:02
Maybe. I don't want him there but I'm not going to have a go at him today. For me we won and I'm the happiest man on earth.

Well done Sam and the boys.

By the way how good does Cenk look. When we've got a team creating chances he looks like he could bag a few.

19 Mar 2018 12:48:47
Dyche should not follow Moyes. he needs to stay a small fish in a tiny pond. The minute he moves to a bigger club, he will fail and in 10 years he will be as high profile as Gary megson. Flash in the pan. Wheels have fallrn off but between us watford and leicester, we are all trying our best to keep Burnley in 7th. Should have been caught a month ago and should be sitting 12th by now. Not the next big thing.

17 Mar 2018 17:50:18
Good article in the Echo on RK.
Obviously not going to get into it as it's water under the bridge and he was never liked cos he is Mr Barcelona. I do agree he would have been much the better manager because of this season. And I think he would have had us on par with our current position. Just we wouldn't have the headache of cutting out B.S. reign.

I'm sure the stoke result today will divide posters on one side or other for this post.

17 Mar 2018 18:23:59
Interesting view Myteam. I think I am in the middle with my views but feel a bit sorry for Sam Allergy. He does shoot himself in the foot with comments. He also talks about himself too much. However, Koeman's main problem was the last transfer window. I suspect Walsh was partly to blame as well. When we "cashed in" on Lukaku and lost Barkley for next to nothing, we should have had ready made replacements lined up. We should also have had cover lined up for both full back positions. Added to which a center half was needed. I had many discussions and got berated for forecasting this under Martinez's reign. I had suggested that our ageing squad was not being reinforced with the right age group and quality of players. People accused me of going on about Moyes when in fact I was suggesting that our squad was becoming weaker and lacking players in their peak. ie aged 23 - 29. We were relying on players below and above that age group. A club can have a couple of players outside that age but when you are relying on so many youngsters and older players, confidence can easily drop with the youngsters and injuries can take their toll with the older players. As has happened with us. Leaders are needed but you can have too many older leaders that weaken the team because fitness levels are needed. Anyway Sam Allardyce has signed Tosun, Walcott and Mangala. Ok Mangala is out injured, but Walcott and Tosun have revitalised us no question. As have Coleman and Baines returning. We now need to sign replacements for those two and Jags. Whoever is manager should see this need and deal with it. I would be ok with Sam A. but suspect too many are against him.

17 Mar 2018 18:57:16
Good post mate a very assessment.

17 Mar 2018 19:01:43
good lol.

17 Mar 2018 19:33:42
Walsh and Moshiri have to take credit for the Tosun signing as it was them who scouted him against Monaco.
Also can't see Sam going to Walsh and Moshiri 'hey have you seen the lad from Arsenal, Walcotts his name' that looks like a Moshiri or Walsh signing too.

17 Mar 2018 19:52:59
Smit666 wrong.

17 Mar 2018 19:59:53
Which bit DFS?

17 Mar 2018 20:17:43
Didn't just scout him against Monaco, he was scouted by more than one Premier League side as well. Also Alardyce had a huge say in wanting Tosun. Alardyce has extensive football contacts World Wide and more so than the likes of Moyes etc! (nevertheless I would take a return of Moyes over retaining Alardyce, especially with our current financial status) .

17 Mar 2018 20:42:00
Moyes not for me mate big no no.

17 Mar 2018 21:14:01
Well DFS you have more Intel than me then. Moshiri saw him against Monaco in October, Allardyce arrives in December and 4 weeks later Tosun arrives. Allardyce must have been the driving force behind the signing.

As for Moyes, yeah let's get him back. He sold us down the river, and since than has failed at every club he's managed. No thanks.

17 Mar 2018 21:24:30
TRAITOR NO THANKS.

17 Mar 2018 22:05:41
Didn't say take him back (Moyes) lads! just pointing out the difference (Alardyce) . Most if not all disagree with me I know but take an unknown (Fonseca) against an excellent man manager/ organiser known such as Dyche (Burnley basics Academy upwards) into an already good set up such as ours and I believe Dyche would only have to hit the ground at a stroll.

17 Mar 2018 23:25:03
Rk had an aloofness that most read as arrogant. Also it's a classic Dutch trait
And it's probably the least appealing personality trait.

I'm sure if he had come out as Jose did a couple of days ago and be spot on with underlying realistic targets and reigning in his own fans (Good to see him back on form for the 1st time in 3 years) and gave journalists and fan groups a fact based reality check, maybe he would have been afforded more respect and time? We will never know.

I guess the inspiration for my post today was the real fact of a new manager (sorry not sorry GB and the B. S. lovers)
But when a new boss is appointed this summer, it's likely that he will be met at some point in his 1st 18 months with a back lash.

I guess in hindsight if RK had tickled fans into believing he was soon to be an adopted one of our own (always has made me laugh this outdated desire for foreign coaches and players to give a damn as if they were born to represent their new employers) he may well have been afforded the same patience that inevitably will have to be given to a new coach?

Unless all this noise is a case of fans expecting 100% success and zero mistakes? Are we certain to make the same mistakes again?

If we get a modern manager coach and he is the next big thing
. do we destroy him for losing 5 or 6 games? Regardless of him3 setting (for instance) a home points record tally the season before?

If RK hadn't been the way he was (basically couldn't give a crap about glorifying the fans and blowing smoke up our back sides) he would have had more time.

Will we kill the next manager or are we going to actually buy in this time and support. the new guy. (Sorry if it's hypocritical to you that I hate B. S. but he came with a history that only the blind could ignore)

17 Mar 2018 23:30:22
Also a coach as Rk was, is paid to coach and for match days.
He is invited to submit and discuss transfer targets.

His DOF and chairman are the deal makers.

Again old ground bit I can post links to 100s of interviews with RK 12 months before the mass, stating that we need to replace a likely departing Lukaku. So I do not blame home for the club's failure to address that issue.
And he has mostly hated on Ross and this was again something that RK stated as clear as glass that the lad signs by x or has gone too.
The club's powers let him down and we the fans took out q to burn him as the none blue he was.

17 Mar 2018 23:30:50
Smit666 right!

17 Mar 2018 17:11:13
Tosun is the first EFC player to score a brace in an away league game since Romelu Lukaku against Watford in December 2016.

17 Mar 2018 17:17:02
Cenk Tosun: "I think I've settled in very well, I feel better today and it was great to win here after five or six defeats away. I want to thank all the lads, it was a great game for us.

"For both goals I had seconds to react and this is just how strikers must work in the box.

"We want to win as much as possible and we still have the chance to play in Europe next season. We have seven games and we want to win a lot of these.

"It was very cold. With the snow, it was really difficult to play and we couldn’t see the ball sometimes, but in the second half it got better. "

I LOVE THIS LAD.

17 Mar 2018 23:27:18
With you all the way there Stig. He looks a belter. Hard working, constantly on the go and chased everything today.

Still early days but he's done more running on that pitch in just the last three games than Lukaku in the last three years!

17 Mar 2018 15:57:15
Nothing exciting so far but the awful weather isn't helping. Bit harsh on Adams imo but that is all down to the ref. We should make the extra man count in the second 45 if we don't get too complacent. I'm going for 2-0 or 3-1 to us 😜.

17 Mar 2018 16:43:16
Well that kills the myth Tosun cannot play in bad conditions.

17 Mar 2018 17:01:14
Didn't seem to change much despite the extra man. And we almost shot ourselves in the foot thanks to Pickfords hesitancy. WTF is up with that lad on crosses!?! No matter in the end. We made the 40 and that's what's important. And at 2-1 I was almost right 😂😂.

17 Mar 2018 17:08:06
Must of sprayed him in deep heat so he feels at home.

17 Mar 2018 17:10:48
They get more snow in northern Turkey than us.

17 Mar 2018 17:24:44
Charlie Adams deserves everything he gets. I will take hard players all day long but he is a snide who leaves a foot in.

17 Mar 2018 17:54:13
Chalkie, I said that at the time, when Sam was saying Tosun did not like our weather. Turkey extremely mountainous and in some winters colder than here.

17 Mar 2018 08:14:00
Heading down to Stoke soon boys, hopefully will have to something to cheer about. Would love to see Davy behind Tosun today. Up the toffees.

17 Mar 2018 10:33:08
Hope you enjoy the day mate, you deserve one. Agree on Klassen.

17 Mar 2018 11:04:28
Here's to hoping the luck of the Irish is behind us today. Coleman to bag a hat trick ;)

17 Mar 2018 05:47:39
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Premier League Match Preview Saturday 17th March 2018

17 Mar 2018 00:00:47
Big 3 points up for grabs against Stoke to take us to that magical 40. I hope we really go for it and don't produce another bore-fest by just sitting back and playing for a 0-0. COYB! NSNO!

17 Mar 2018 07:27:03
Come on Big’. We all know it’s going to be a sit back and wait bore fest. Why would it be any different?

17 Mar 2018 09:56:53
There has been a lot of negativity weighing us down this season so just trying to be positive mate. I think if we hit the 40 today the lads will relax a bit and approach the remaining games more optimistically.

17 Mar 2018 12:12:31
I agree BigH. The team when Sam A took over had a kid playing at right back. A right back signed on a free playing at left back (when he was not much good at right back anyway) A center half who looked like he had eaten too many pies and was out of form. Another center half signed for a big fee who was woefully lacking confidence (maybe because of the other 3 I just mentioned) A holding midfielder who wanted to pass sideways everytime he got the ball. a super player on his last legs and another kid playing up front. Whilst I admire the kids and what they did stepping in to cover. this is the Premier League and any little mistake is pounced on. Hence our run of results. We now have our regular right back and regular left back in the team. The manager has seen sence and brought the captain back in and dropped the midfielder who plays football like a sideways walking crab! I think we have a chance. especially if Tosun and Walcott play? Not sure is Walcott injured?