Everton Banter Archive April 17 2018

 

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17 Apr 2018 20:23:10
Hi Ed 025 this latest episode of the Club asking fans to compete a survey on how they rate the manager etc, sounds strange is this normal for Clubs to do this cheers mate.

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{Ed025's Note - i have never heard of it before GB, lets hope they ask me and you mate..

17 Apr 2018 22:33:59
At least we will see what fans think of Sam it is very weird though it will make interesting reading when it's done.

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17 Apr 2018 22:36:29
Let’s see Sam talk his way out of this one like he did about elect few on Social media.

Cannot see Everton publishing the results, but you can sure as hell guarantee a taxi will be on stand by.

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17 Apr 2018 22:38:26
Spineless the board, not got the balls to act themselves but use the supporters to justify them, Jesus I don’t half miss Sir John Moores.

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{Ed025's Note - i know what you mean bignev..

18 Apr 2018 08:01:53
I have been emailed the survey and tbh I don't usually do them bit after seeing that I'm intrigued to have a look. It is aimed at finding out how close us supporters feel we are to the club and other Evertonians. I am a season ticket holder so maybe that's why I have been emailed the survey.

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{Ed001's Note - Everton say they regularly send out varying surveys to 'selected' supporters. Standard market research stuff usually, but this one is odd. Makes you wonder if the research company are having a laugh and after a bit of publicity.}

18 Apr 2018 10:14:52
Allerdyce doesn't care what the fans think. All he will say is that his remit was to avoid relegation and he has achieved it. So please get shut now.

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18 Apr 2018 12:55:52
Made up I'm selected Ed001, maybe the club have only selected stern Allardyce supporters like myself.

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{Ed001's Note - I have noticed you are particularly vocal in your support of him.}

18 Apr 2018 19:43:21
lee1878. We will not see the results of the survey, that is the only certainty.

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18 Apr 2018 20:10:47
Hopefully when we see sackings we will know the result.

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17 Apr 2018 21:08:51
BBC reporting Everton sending survey out to see how fans feel about Sam and management. Obviously Moshiri hasn't internet access as think it is unanimous one sided and doesn't take too much searching. Or is this part of official sacking process?

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17 Apr 2018 22:30:47
I am reliably informed that Moshiri wants him to stay . I hope in this case I am not reliable .

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{Ed025's Note - i hope so too jonno..

17 Apr 2018 22:51:20
He will change his mind Jono when the survey results come back. Even after Syria, I think the uk Euro entry for the song contest will pick up more points than Sam will in this survey.

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18 Apr 2018 00:39:24
Unfortunately it's another example of the leadership procrastinating instead of acting.
I don't know if it will help but I am a member of evertonfc.com I have just contacted them and asked to take part in the survey but noted that I rate Big Sam 1 out of 10.
We should all try and get our thoughts out to them.

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17 Apr 2018 20:11:44
Hello gents, can anyone tell me where to find the survey? I haven't got an email about it and I'm a season ticket holder.
Cheers.

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18 Apr 2018 11:13:21
Check your spam mate that's where mine was, I'm season ticket holder too, got mine yesterday.

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17 Apr 2018 19:47:46
Can't help but think that the questionnaire that efc are asking season ticket holders to complete is going to be an absolute disaster for them.

Questions include fans opinion of the board, the players and current manager and coaches.

They may aswell beat themselves with a stick!

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17 Apr 2018 21:38:19
A lot of companies do this within the business world from employees so I guess it’s on the same level.

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17 Apr 2018 22:21:36
I'm sort of Looking at this as quite a brave move from the club. As you say, it's surely asking for a lot of negative answers.

However, fair play because it's opening a dialogue and surely that's a good thing?

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17 Apr 2018 18:18:36
I think Claudio Ranieri would be a great choice for Everton manager after miserable Sam and his performances .
Also time for Duncan Ferguson to move on I know he has Everton at heart but I'm afraid he's useless.

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17 Apr 2018 18:53:50
Why do you think Dunc is useless?

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17 Apr 2018 19:12:43
Big clear out needed starting with big Sam and Walsh. Need to move the following players out as well: Williams, Besic, Mirallas, snederlin, Rooney, Cuca,

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17 Apr 2018 23:53:07
I Thumbsed up Grizzard. I like Ferguson but I haven't been 100% convinced with our attack for many seasons. I think he feels threatened and that's why he's backing Allerdyce all the way. If they sack Allerdyce and surely they will have to if this survey is actually going to be listened to. Then I believe the new boss, hopefully Fonseca will only want his staff. So unless there's another role for him. Then Ferguson surely gone too. My opinion but Brandts and Fonseca for me.

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18 Apr 2018 11:22:56
Since Lineker or Grey? Or did you forget about 4 seasons of record breaking Lukaku? Or are you just jumping on the Big Dunc band wagon, that seems to have come from no where the last 2 weeks.

Being anti "jobs for the boys" is one thing but witch hunting the few that are good coaches 1st and ex players 2nd seems more than a little sensationalist. Must have been a slow news day? Some people should be aiming their nonsense at more deserving targets.

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17 Apr 2018 16:30:13
Hi ed, I know you said Fonseca is that one Moshiri wants. Are Howe, Arteta and Silva backup options or names just branded around the press? Cheers mate.

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{Ed002's Note - They are banded around because of their having PL experience and advice to FM will be to look for someone with PL experience.}

17 Apr 2018 18:25:16
Dyche certainly knows the Premiership and has shown this season he is learning what it takes very quickly, certainly in my opinion more so than Silva or Arteta and Eddie Howe has no intention of returning 'up North'. Fonseca may be the one Mr Moshri wants but again in my opinion he will have better offers coming his way if he indicates his desire for other pastures. This all supposes that Allardyce is definitely leaving and he is only 6-7 months into an 18 month contract.

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17 Apr 2018 18:59:22
Dyche would last 5 minutes. I don't think any supporter at Everton would want us to score 14 goals at home in 16 games. Take the boring football we have now. Dyche is not so different.

Eddie Howe would be a better option due to the brand of football. However, I would prefer us adopt a braver approach and go for Fonseca. We need a winner.

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17 Apr 2018 19:37:08
A manager somewhere inbetween Dyche and Howe would be perfect.

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18 Apr 2018 00:49:31
Between them two managers come on mate. We have owner now Willing to spend 200 million (not much I know in today’s market) but Dyche he is big Sam in dusgise. If owner brings Ustinov as well could be 200m per year on transfers! The reality is we have been piss poor all season and we still finish in top ten. We need a manager with vision and guts to clear out the crap and within two three years be competing for top 4.

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18 Apr 2018 11:21:50
So you want an English guy basically?
Sorry but Dyche isn't the calibre I want EFC aiming at.
He has been awful since Xmas but has got away with it because so have Watford and us. Should have caught em months ago.
He would appease the racists but foreign and good players wouldn't sign for him, cos they wouldn't know who he was.

A international coach with vast resources to players and progressive tactics please. No gruff fat blokes as we've already got one of them type of dinosaur.

Are people insane? Sean Dyche. my my facepalm.

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17 Apr 2018 14:19:16
Has anyone took part in the survey going round by the club? if so what sort of questions are on it?

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17 Apr 2018 14:27:26
Question 1. Can you do better than Sam.

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17 Apr 2018 15:50:16
I have done it and it's questions about relationships with fellow fans and then goes on to ask have you got confidence in the current manager/ backroom staff which I voted 0 as looking a social media so has most other fans I'm not sure what the club expected from asking this question and maybe it should of waited til the summer.

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17 Apr 2018 19:01:46
It's a crazy survey. Nice to engage but not sure it will do anyone any good. They must surely know we want Sam out.

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17 Apr 2018 10:57:35
I've been thinking about what players will be sold and what players need to be bought in, from what I can see we could do with a couple of centre defenders, a left back just to start, jags and williams are just on the wrong side with age, bains needs some competition, now we get to midfield, who really has shone, gueue has done his best, the other are really hit or miss, up front with cenk and even thou has bags a couple goals he also in the last 2 games missed 2 match winning chances, this I will judge next season, so we have a team full of players who just aren't playing well, what do we do, sell and bring more players in again and start again, or add a few and hope that the ones who haven't stepped up this season do next, very hard situation for the next or present manager.

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17 Apr 2018 14:33:29
Liverpool fan in peace! I think you have a very good group of young players.

Pickford, Kenny, Pennington, Holgate, Garbutt, Davies, Beningame, Lookman, Vlasic and Calvert-lewin in particular are all very good young players.

Supplement that with Coleman, Baines, Sigurdsson, McCarthy, Walcott and Tosun, Niasse and you are not far off a good squad.

Personally, I think you need a centre back. Not a young lad, or an aging player. Someone to replace Keane who was clearly never good enough. Ben Mee made him look good and he is who you should go after.

Most importantly, you need a midfielder. A proper midfield general too. Not a tiki taka fool like Klassen, or a headless chicken like Gueye. You need a player as good as McCarthy who may never be the same again. Maybe a good option is Cork, Ndidi or Doucoure.

After that, You Really should just focus on getting rid of toxic influences like Funes Mori, Keane, Williams, Schneiderlin, Rooney and Allardyce.

You don't need wholesale change. 8 months ago you thought you'd finish above us. You just need to have faith in the young lads, and get a couple of solid players in your spine. A better manager will then have you top 7 easy.

Koeman and Allardyce haven't done your team justice this season. Not even slightly.

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17 Apr 2018 15:03:32
Great post that, MK. Unsure how Keane is a negative influence, mind. Unless I'm missing something?

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17 Apr 2018 15:51:10
Hugo, I just think that Keane is average. Average players can breed a losing mentality. Williams is the same. A player who looks like he's trying hard without actually doing so! Funes Mori just isn't good enough. Schneiderlin clearly gave up playing football when he got his big move to United. Thought he'd made it when he hadn't. Worst of all though, is Rooney. His attitude stinks at times and he carries himself as though he is the best in the squad. In reality, he shouldn't even make the bench.

"Toxic" was probably too strong in hindsight. You have to clear out the average players though. They hold you back and the young lads will pick up bad habits.

I said to Ed025 a while back on the Liverpool page that I though Calvert-Lewin was the best young English player after Dele Alli. You have to build a team around that kid. He is a special talent. Don't let Koeman and Allardyce's incompetence fool you. You saw towards the end of Rhinos brief spell in charge that the kids have the quality to take you forward. You just need a manager brave enough to trust them!

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17 Apr 2018 19:40:55
Spot on MK.

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17 Apr 2018 10:22:10
Here's an intriguing thought.
What if Allardyce only took the Everton job - after apparently rejecting the initial approach to come out of supposed retirement - on the understanding (gentlemen's agreement? ) that if he succeeded in averting relegation that he'd automatically be given another year rather than just be paid-off?

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17 Apr 2018 11:31:57
I need you to stop having thoughts like that Bobby. It terrifies me.

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17 Apr 2018 11:56:32
Jesus Bobbyc I have just come out in a rash and cold sweats.

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17 Apr 2018 13:47:19
The sun is shining outside and I am just going to take the dog for a walk on this lovely day, then I read that and it’s feels like storm clouds are gathering! 🤬.

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17 Apr 2018 13:48:35
I think the gentleman's agreement is more likely keep us up and we will pay you off for the extra year.

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17 Apr 2018 19:07:23
WTF Bobby. Stop talking, they come here and read this you know🤣🤣🤣.

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17 Apr 2018 19:46:19
Relax guys. Moshiri has more riding on this club than us, and he isn't going to put up with this anymore than we are. Allardyce wasn't his choice in December and nothing Sam has done since will have changed that stance.
The silence from the club is deafening, if he wanted him to stay, either himself or Kenright would have publically backed him by now.
I suspect he will leave shortly after the season ends by mutual consent. All parties can separate with their heads held high.

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17 Apr 2018 22:32:25
My god Smit I hope you're right. Reading that makes perfect sense but then it is Everton after all! 😟.

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17 Apr 2018 09:37:09
My following of Everton goes back to the early 1960s under Harry Catterick.
He eventually left due to illness, but also because he broke up the 1970 title-winning team too quickly and couldn't successfully mould a new side.
His immediate successors, Billy Bingham and Gordon Lee, both showed promise during the 1970s, but couldn't take us that "extra mile".
Howard Kendall (1st time) struggled to convince for the first few years - indeed, many fans wanted him sacked - before the golden mid-1980s, but even he left (as did many of our top players) , although the European ban was a big part of that.
Colin Harvey was a popular choice to replace HK, but, although a superb coach, he never seemed to be able to step-up to be a manager.
HK (2nd time) was welcomed, but the board's lack of support in the transfer market forced him out.
Mike Walker was flavour-of-the-month when appointed, but it was pretty much a disastrous reign.
Joe Royle eventually got his chance and was building a good team, but he too wasn't backed in the transfer market and so resigned.
HK (3rd time) was a bad period - apparently for him too - and we were firmly entrenched in mediocrity (almost worst! ) and were falling way behind in the Premier League despite being one of its prime instigators.
Walter Smith had no chance once Agent Johnson had screwed-up the club's finances and our squad was severely weakened.
We took a punt on David Moyes and we certainly did improve and do better under him, but we never really challenged the "big" clubs of the time. He chose to move on, but the grass hasn't proved that much greener elsewhere.
Roberto Martinez was another "flavour-of-the-month", but just couldn't resist going down the path of disappointment and he wouldn't (couldn't? ) adapt his approach to the pragmatic realities of PL football.
Ronald Koeman - yet another "great hope" - was another failed experiment, who was clearly using us as a stepping-stone to his dream of managing Barcelona.
Sam Allardyce was brought in to avert relegation - which thankfully he's done this season - but he hasn't shown any inkling of being able to do anything beyond that.
My point is that every appointment could be rationalised (if not widely liked) by fans at the time, but circumstances (some very difficult to foresee, others much more predictable) have led to disappointment (if not downright failure) at the end. Whoever comes to Everton (as manager, DoF, whatever) will be a gamble, but as long as they're truthful (about where we currently really are) AND ambitious (about where we're honestly aiming to go) , then all I can do is hope for the best. I just want to "enjoy" being an Evertonian while the next stage of the journey unfolds.

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17 Apr 2018 11:02:08
Brilliant post bobby. Brought back some memories for me
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17 Apr 2018 11:09:07
Ah the old "RK stepping stone" routine.
And didn't we never let him forget it, not for a second.

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17 Apr 2018 13:45:27
brilliant post my view is as long as the players give 110% every game the manager will get more time Martinez (was blind to the fact that tip toe football wasn't working and didn't have a plan B and he lost the players which fed into the stands) Koeman is a difficult one as looking back our expections were sky high after spending a lot of money and that went against him too many similar players didn't help and he became distant from the fans and players and that coat him his job then we have Sam where apart from away in the cup at anfield I haven't seen 1 very good performance the games we have won we have been lucky and his tactics are baffling but as I said at the start of we get a manager and his team fights every game 90% of fans will accept that and the bit by bit we look to improve.

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17 Apr 2018 15:58:48
Koeman also suffered with injuries had Coleman Mori and Bolasis been fit it may have been a different story. Sam has brought in two good signings in Wallcott and Tosun the kids are looking like they are progressing well but need to have their work load managed properly. I don't buy the we have not got a good squad and need wholesale changes theory what we need is a couple good quality players in their prime that can strengthen the spine of the team and acouple of players down the left to provide competition to who we already have.

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17 Apr 2018 22:40:52
Excellent post Bobby. Couldn't agree more.

Sa90 I agree with the Koeman assessment. The injuries and the early fixtures just ruined us at a time we were trying to build a team and confidence. Also, I think we need to clear out a few and have a smaller, closer squad with just a couple of those quality signings you mention.

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17 Apr 2018 08:37:07
I was born in August 1954, so Everton have been in the top-flight my entire life.
During my time actively supporting Everton (since the early 1960s) , I've seen last-day escapes (the 1990s) , success (in the 1960s and 1980s) , and some great teams and results and performances - but I've also seen some absolute dross and terrible results and way too many disappointments. (By the way, my lowest ebb was when Alan Ball was transferred. )
So, although I'm now very grateful to Sam Allardyce for averting the very real threat of relegation this season, I believe his job is done and it's time to tell him "thanks, but goodbye".
If Moshiri is content with SA's footballing approach and is satisfied with not challenging (or even bothering to challenge! ) the top-six, then so be it: he owns/ runs the club. He can settle for mediocrity, but I don't believe that's why he's come to Everton and it's surely not why he's putting so much money, time and effort into his involvement.
So, if he wants to take this self-proclaimed "window of opportunity" to become part of "Hollywood" football, then, in my humble opinion, he needs to act decisively and be ruthless (but clearheaded and dispassionate) in restructuring Everton Football Club from top to bottom. The only aspect of Everton's activities that has been successful and widely praised - indeed it has been excellent - is EITC
It will be very difficult - and take time, money, determination, good people and luck - to even get close to the top-six from where we are, but what's the point if we're not going to try to take up that challenge?
I'll go as far as too say - preposterously early in some people's eyes - that we are approaching a crossroads in Moshiri's tenure at Everton. He has an opportunity during his period of custodianship of the club (that's all it is - because everyone, even fans, eventually "goes") to achieve greatness - he carries a heavy responsibility, but it's an undoubtedly thrilling one surely?

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17 Apr 2018 13:35:05
I predict you will be surprised during the Summer pre-season at the huge changes coming through BobbyC1878.

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17 Apr 2018 06:33:03
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17 Apr 2018 06:29:53
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17 Apr 2018 02:16:01
Oh my god lads, just finally clicked on this link from Facebook to official site for kit sale (few games to go)
Schneiderlin on the back of home kit, 37.50 saving of 20 quid, junior version 20 odd quid. Same for every other player. Are they joking? Robbing bstards.

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17 Apr 2018 19:49:40
That's because it's £1 a letter pal. Better off getting a Gana shirt for a fiver.

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17 Apr 2018 20:58:59
Haha nice one!

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17 Apr 2018 01:04:47
I've read stories (and posts on here) , that Arteta could be our next manager. I'm not saying if that's a good idea, BUT if he was first-team coach under a good DoF (Brands? ) that just might work.
Whoever is the next first-team coach, our recruitment (and our player development) MUST improve or I fear we're in for another period of mediocrity, disappointment and loss of opportunity while other clubs push on nd leave us behind as mid-table (or worse! ) Iirrelavances and non-entities - a mere footnote in English footbll's history of clubs that used to be winners decades go.

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17 Apr 2018 08:51:46
I'd take arteta, why not. The football we're playing now is beyond a joke. I feel so detached from Everton under this clown. Stopped caring if we win lose or draw. Time for change.

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17 Apr 2018 09:22:18
Really, personally think we can't take any chances with any one who isn't proven, we need someone that's got a record of winning, they need to have the experience to win games when our backs are against the wall, have won things, and come to everton with a winning mentality, players need to be able to see what he's achieved in the past and get on board and move forward, a new manager has no real idea if the way he wants to train or play will actually work, it's all new, let him get a job in a lower league and if he has success then we can always try for him again if needed .

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17 Apr 2018 10:29:47
Times have changed of course, but our most successful manager, Howard Kendall, was appointed with only lower-tier managerial experience and (although it took him a while) he proved to be a winner.
David Moyes, for all his shortcomings, came from a lower-tier managerial level and improved us and - perhaps with today’s finances - could have become a winner. (I accept that he wasn’t successful at money-bags ManUtd, but was he really given enough time there? )

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17 Apr 2018 11:43:14
But had lower league experience and showed what they could do, and then given the chance, nothing wrong with that, arteta has none, would city, untided, Chelsea, give managers the job, no and we shouldn't, we aren't in a position to take chances with a team that scrapped away from religation.

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17 Apr 2018 00:52:50
Most stories in the media (especially social media! ) are just clickbait. The gossip and rumours and banter keep us entertained - whatever the likely truth.
However, as they say, there's no smoke without fire, and stories about the DoF (Brands, Walsh, etc. ) or manager (Allardyce, Fonseca, Silva) appear regularly enough to suggest that there is some real basis (not just provocative speculation) to them.
Are the people involved behind the scenes (especially the club itself or the agents being used) briefing the media (albeit off the record) in an attempt to control the narrative?

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17 Apr 2018 00:32:15
It's said (quite righty in my humble opinion) that every player has his price. That being said, are there any players at our club that you do NOT want to leave at any price?

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17 Apr 2018 08:22:26
Not really Bobby. Maybe Pickford and Coleman. Our players are slow and predictable.

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17 Apr 2018 08:45:40
Bluetrobbo: you’re probably right - even our promising youngsters (Davies, Lookman, etc. ) aren’t un-sellable at the right price although many fans would still want to see them stay and play for us. If Walsh and Allardyce are replaced by Brands and Fonseca (or whoever) , we can expect another big turnaround of the squad - especially if super-agents are “advising” the club’s ownership.

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17 Apr 2018 09:26:23
Agree totally with your post Bobby. I was brought up on Alex Young etc. I then watched Scott, Morrissey, Thomas the list goes on. No substitute for pace whether out wide or midfield. This team is completely devoid of any pace.

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17 Apr 2018 09:55:52
BlueJohnUs: they were top players - what’d we give to have a Johnny Morrissey or a Dave Thomas on our left-wing these days?
As for now, Ross Barkley wasn’t everyone’s cup-of-tea, but imho we miss his ability to drive forward from midfield, so here’s hoping Tom Davies (although not as technically gifted) can provide us with that.
If not, we need to invest some serious transfer money in top midfield players (surely more than one) to bring that drive, energy and pace into our pedestrian team.
I’m not sure that Sigurdsson or Klaassen (certainly not Schneiderlin or Rooney) have that energy or pace in their lockers - while Gana and Baningime are defensive (holding) midfielders - although a fit-again McCarthy might be able to.

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17 Apr 2018 10:03:53
Bluerobbo and BlueJohnUs: my apologies, guys - the reply above that I addressed to BlueJohnUs was meant for Bluerobbo. Sorry - I got my wires crossed when writing it ;-)

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17 Apr 2018 11:45:58
Every player has his price, if we can sell lukaku we can sell anyone for the right price, and after this season it's hard to say, but I'd keep Coleman, pickford, and that would be it, everyone I personally think we could replace.

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