Everton Banter Archive February 16 2018

 

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16 Feb 2018 15:18:30
we are not a big club, what is a big club? what do you define it by? is it how a football team affects the modern game? or is it the fan base, history? can there ever be a scientific criteria to quantify a football club as such? No, it's a grey area where everyone seems to have an unfalsifiable justification which delves into meaningless ranting and denigrating your debating counterpart.

it's meaningless, it's only something people who support the more successful sides say to inflate their sense of self worth because they have so much of their identity invested in a sports team, and the sides who don't do as well trying to hold onto a flailing sense of superiority, it simply does not matter. instead what would be more benefitial is to find ways to accumulate success so the love you feel for your team is remains in the present.
i don't even know why i went on this diatribe to post it here, i'm out.

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16 Feb 2018 17:30:40
i would like the people who downvoted my post to give a constructive opposition to my argument, and the reasons they downvoted it for.

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16 Feb 2018 18:38:19
I would worry about the thumbs down. There's obviously a few playing games. I don't bother with it anymore.

As for a big club? I suppose it's the criteria. Could be number of fans, number of trophies, CL wins, reputation or money.

I think in the business world it's generated income. For us fans it's success. For teams like us it's long term success and for teams like Chelsea and City it's recent success.

Are we a big club anymore? I don't really care. If we win a trophy I imagine we will become a little bigger in some eyes though.

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16 Feb 2018 18:47:47
*wouldn't worry.

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16 Feb 2018 19:43:17
People play games with the thumbs down thing mate. don't worry. Some of us are now seeing who can get the most thumbs down. Big club? I don't think we are in the scheme of things anymore. We have the potential to be a big club again. but it will take time. I would guess regular European qualification. Regulat trophies. A fan base that sustains all of the above. I am afraid that Everton FC had the opportunity in the late 80's to invest and grow. It also had another opportunity mid 90's with Joe Royle. and in both occasions chose not to invest. Peter Johnson is one reason. However, we were just unfortunate that these were important times and had the wrong people in charge who did not see the opportunity. However, things could have been worse. Leeds United were also a huge club at the time of the formation of the Premier League and gambled heavily investing in a huge expensive squad. and then failed to qualify for Europe and therefore missed out on the revenues that came with Champions League football. They nearly went bust!

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16 Feb 2018 20:04:03
Evertonthings don't worry about thumbs down down mate, there are a few on here who no longer read posts and just give a thumbs down to the person.

Degsy is right there are a few who now see how many we get for fun. If I said a wheel was round I would get at least 5 thumbs down, that's 3 less than I got for saying bullying in any form is wrong. I know or should I say I strongly suspect who 2 of them are but they just are not worth worrying over. Take pride in the thumbs down as thanks to some they have become meaningless.

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16 Feb 2018 20:10:11
You are spot on with that analysis Degsy although I suspect it was more of a failure to spend when we were banned from Europe. We sat back thinking the ban would continue its full course and got caught out when it was relaxed and English teams were suddenly allowed back in. We just seem to of been playing catch up ever since.

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16 Feb 2018 21:35:13
I for one down voted because I don't agree. I'm not going to justify my vote. Will the hurt and needy stop being passive aggressive because their view or comments are not the popular nirvana the poster assumed.

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17 Feb 2018 02:31:58
To those who mentioned the thumbs down reaction, why are you so bothered about it? Whether people do it just to wind you up or whether they just don't agree, it shouldn't matter at all. Unless you are just writing stuff in the hope of getting a thumbs up, not that I am suggesting any of you do, to be accepted for what you say. Screw that, as long as you stand by your opinions and convictions then it doesn't matter one bit how others react.

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17 Feb 2018 03:42:13
lol, my intention wasnt hitting out at anyone, i just wished to stimulate discussion on this topic, so constructive feedback instead of just liking or disliking what i said would be more interesting to delve into, also i've been on the internet since i was 10 so i know how this works :p.

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17 Feb 2018 07:38:11
If you wanted a discussion, why did you finish with “I’m out”?

And why did you make the post so wordy? It only makes your point difficult to understand, maybe that’s why you had a few more thumbs down than you were expecting.

My point of view is that we are a big club. A club having so many innovations down through history, so many successes and a club spending more time in top flight football than any other team. Yes we are a big club, and my heart beats out of my chest every time I am reminded.

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17 Feb 2018 11:01:22
"As long as you stand by your opinions and convictions then it doesn't matter one bit how others react. "

Does that statement include me bluepotao?

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17 Feb 2018 11:30:32
Evertonthings I know where you are coming from. Whether people agree or don't agree, is irrelevant. However, I also like to hear a constructive point if someone disagrees with a post I put on. eg I say Walcott is our best signing for ages. then someone gives a thumbs down and says, "Degsy you are talking crap". Well that sort of winds me up. If they said well Walcoot is always injured or has no pace or a constructive discussion point I will accept that. But "Degsy you are talking crap" is not constructive. So I geet what you are on about. Added to which, this is indeed a banter site. not (in the words of Monty Python) an insult site!

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17 Feb 2018 18:45:34
Evertonthings. My Grandson walked out against Young Boys holding Jags hand. Lots of photo's taken (as you would) , two weeks later, driving home, Grandaughter (don't you love em) shouts out from the back seat, 'Grandad, '*****' has something to tell you but he doesn't want to upset you'. He still supports the 'Dark side', yet is quite happy just this week to attend the NAC with Everton. I have to believe he will in time revert once again to the true Team of Liverpool and not the Norwegian contingent.

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17 Feb 2018 19:22:30
Evertonthings, come on lad, why do you comment on this board or any other board, is it to collect brownie points? Of course it isn't. Personally I have had enough, no reflection on any individual. But that is enough for me. I wish Everton a successful rest of season and of course I am there at all the home games.

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16 Feb 2018 14:31:18
Marouane Fellaini has agreed a deal to join Besiktas at the end of the season. The Belgium international, 30, is out of contract at the end of the campaign and could leave on a free transfer,

would you have had him back? gives it 100%.

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16 Feb 2018 16:36:43
For free, yes I would.

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16 Feb 2018 17:12:21
He is good offensively at set pieces. He is good defensively and at set pieces. He is good with 10 mins to go when you are a goal down. Throw him forward as an annoyance to the opposition when you need to lump it forwards. Yes I would have him back.

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16 Feb 2018 17:40:40
And where do we play him? Instead of siggy? Rooney? Gana? He would be a super sub at best. He is going to beshiktaa for game time, why would he come to us to sit on the bench.

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16 Feb 2018 18:14:31
Good answer Smit mate.

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16 Feb 2018 18:40:05
I'm not sure I'd have him back. However I wish him the best of luck. I've heard nothing but nice stories about him outside of football and he's a very humble and down to earth guy.

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16 Feb 2018 19:49:08
To answer Smit666's question about where I would play him. he could play instaed of Gana or Schneids for sure. All our midfielders will not remain uninjured all season for sure. So he could play in an offensive or defensive role at times. like I said in my original post. and yes he might have to be sub at times. But he would be great competition for places and give the squad something it currently lacks. Sigs corners and free kicks would certainly have someone to aim at which we don't currently seem to be doing. If we were hanging on to a 1 nil lead with 10 mins to go, he is great to put in alongside Gana. but to answer the original question again. yes I would have him back. Sorry if you don't agree. But I would.

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16 Feb 2018 21:41:55
Like you say Degsy put him on with 10 minutes to go. Sub at best. He's not a defensive mid so why would he take Gana or schneids place? Or are you thinking of not playing a defensive mid? He plays further forward so would take siggy or Davies place which he might have done 5 years ago but not now.

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{Ed025's Note - maybe instead of building a new ground we should build a home for over the hill players, we could ask all the teams who have players who are past their sell by date to sign for us, we could get john o,shey and wes brown as our captain and vice captain and fellaini as our player manager, leave all them pesky kids in the U23 squad and go with experience...just a thought..

16 Feb 2018 22:41:55
With the money they earn Ed they can build there own bloomin Home for the over hill players, and those damn pesky kids can take out the bin bags. sigh . bliss.

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17 Feb 2018 07:14:48
And get all the old players on the coaching staff to be the mentors for the Everton Last Payday XI what dya reckon Ed025?

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{Ed025's Note - sounds good to me gray..

17 Feb 2018 11:35:31
To answer another constructive question. Fellaini can play defensive mid very well. He did it for years with us. Just in front of the back 4. He does it with Utd and Belgium at times. Usually when they are hanging on to a lead with a few mins to go. He also has a few goals in him. 36 premier league goals so far. 16 international goals so far. But it is about opinions so there ya go. that's mine. Thumbs down time!

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17 Feb 2018 20:57:56
Degsy, he is not an out and out defensive mid, he has always been a box to box midfielder, he has never been disciplined enough to be a defensive mid.

It would just fallin with the recruitment mentality this season, ooh he used to be good so let's buy him, where does he play? Err. I don't know but, he'll fit in somewhere.
If he wanted to sit on the bench and come on as sub surely he would be better staying at united than coming to us. He would just be another waste of money.

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16 Feb 2018 14:19:05
Sandro says in various reports that he doesn't want to return to Everton as he's happy where he is. I don't blame him really as he was treated appallingly while he was here. It's a damn shame as given time I'm sure he'd have been a hit. The message to any future signings is think long and hard before you sign because, as Tosun has discovered, Everton don't have any patience.

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16 Feb 2018 14:38:05
Another one? something must be wrong at our club mate?

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16 Feb 2018 15:35:32
Our club has a 'we want it yesterday' approach.1st Sandro then it will be Klaassen, Vlasic, Lookman and Onyekuru to start with. No time given and badly treated by the looks of it.

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16 Feb 2018 16:22:11
Whilst I accept that a new signing who settles immediately is an exception, I think every ultimately successful signing will show some flash of talent that will allow you to realise why he was signed. It may be just a nice piece of control, some clever footwork, a well seen pass. Maybe nothing much but it's there for you to see. Seen in abundance from Lookman. Seen enough from Vlasic. I've seen odd flashes from Klaasen. Haven't seen it from Sandro or Tosun.

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16 Feb 2018 17:14:02
I more or less agree with you Glennk.

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16 Feb 2018 17:49:58
I can see where the others would play but I don't see where Sandro would fit in the team, unless we adopt a new system.

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16 Feb 2018 17:52:03
I am not sure it is just that we have no patience, more a case of we buy players who are capable and then put them under a manager who cannot play the standard of football the players are used to. I quite agree with BigH. Potential players should consider what happens when they get here, and also see who is manager first before even agreeing anything. The wheel is turning. Fat Sam will go, leave us with rubbish, the new man will buy more, we won't have patience, sack him, Fat Sam 2 will come in, repeat repeat repeat.

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{Ed002's Note - You are right, the Toxics like you will continue to drag the club down by providing absolutely zero support and trashing all of the staff and the players. It seems to be a Merseyside thing. Perhaps Moshiri could find some decent supporters?}

16 Feb 2018 18:16:24
Well said Ed so much rubbish being written on here lately mate.

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16 Feb 2018 19:53:00
Perhaps Moshiri could by some fans with Usmanov's money.

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16 Feb 2018 19:54:18
Ed002. we are not all the same. There are many real supporting Blues. honest. It just seems on here that we attract the toxic ones. I guess it results from years of "near" success and then being let down with failure. As a loyal Blue supporter it can be incredibly frustrating when you think we are nearly there and then something happens that makes you lose your faith. that's what it seems to be all about. keeping the faith and some seem to find that hard.

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{Ed002's Note - Nobody has said you are all the same Degsy.}

16 Feb 2018 20:05:12
To Glennk - Obviously expectation is high when someone new arrives, especially if they have a decent reputation, but to say you aren't seeing it from those two when they have barely had a chance seems a bit unfair mate. NP I guess they just don't tick the right boxes for you, or for Sam for that matter. As for Ed002's Toxics remark I do hope that wasn't aimed in my direction.

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16 Feb 2018 20:14:59
another thread getting turned into an anti SA one. PATHETIC.

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16 Feb 2018 20:35:55
I knew someone with an Auntie Sam once GT. Mm mm mmmmm 😋😍😂.

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16 Feb 2018 22:40:51
A real player does not need several games to show ability.
Many years ago I was at a game between Carlisle v Darlington. It was every bit as exciting as you think it would have been. After about 70 mins Carlisle brought on Matt Jansen. The ball was played up to him. His first touch brought a gasp from the crowd. From that touch alone it was obvious he could play.

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16 Feb 2018 22:44:03
My mate had an Aunty Sammi, now she was someone you would want to keep.

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16 Feb 2018 07:58:18
Carrying on from Geoffs great suggestion. Let's think of happier times. No managers again just players and games.

So what has been your ONE favourite game from each of our recent managers Moyes to Sam. Don't be negative just the positives.

For me with Moyes it was the United game at home when we were 3-1 down and pulled the two goals back to draw. There are loads of games to choose from but for me United I hate more than anyone. Since I've been alive I've been to EVERY cup final we've been beaten in. The three I've missed we've won. The 85 final was sickener because I had a chance for the Cup Winners but couldn't do the two. Therefore I blame United.

But from being in despair with minutes left to euphoria them minutes later, it was the quickest change of emotion I've had. Almost equally is the semi at Wembley against them.

Martinez was the Arsenal game in his first season. It was the first time in 20 years we felt like the Everton of old. We had to beat to stay in the hunt for CL. We did and in some style.

Koeman was the Arsenal game at home again. The 2-1 scoreline turned his and our season around and from then on we played some of the best football I've seen since 87.

Unsie was his last game against West Ham. I wonder if he would have been given the job from the off would the players just knuckled down and backed. Who knows?

Seeing him with nothing but passion on the sidelines was brilliant to see.

For Sam the Leicester game was Theo showing us what genuine quality players can bring to the table. A standard of player that has to be the norm now when we buy.

So what's yours?

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16 Feb 2018 08:37:14
I’ve been to two cup finals and we won both. The 1966 game had to be the most exciting, despair followed by joy. The 1995 game was very rewarding in that we beat United. I lived in Manchester for four years and can’t stand United nor their supporters most of whom were not born or ever lived in Manchester.

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16 Feb 2018 12:10:49
everton 3 arsenal 0
we were only behind a point from 4th with a game in hand, it was like everton were really going to break the proverbial ceiling from there on and for the first time you could really sense genuine optimism and euphoria instead of forcing yourself to say "yeah we can do it" just so you could maintain a faux sense of optimism

oh how wrong we were.

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16 Feb 2018 14:07:03
4-4 old trafford. moyes
0-1 old trafford. bobby
Koeman none.

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16 Feb 2018 17:58:03
Blue Mike are you suggesting that in order to support a team you must have been born in the town or lived there? I have never lived in Liverpool. Newport, Runcorn, Blackpool, Accrington, Madrid, Berlin, and Newport again, but never Liverpool. I reckon I have spent more money supporting Everton than fans who live local as every home game was an away game for me.

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16 Feb 2018 18:37:08
No I am not saying that you should be born in a city to support that team although I am a little old fashioned in that regards. The people I am talking about are those who are born in a place that has a team but offer no financial support to that team. They say however, that they support a big team like United but very really if ever go to watch United or have never lived in the Manchester area. I have more time for a supporter of a team like Huddersfield who go to the games and support that club regardless of the fact that they will probably not win anything.
I obviously realize that things have changed since my youth. Then you supported a team from your home town or one which you lived in. Now because of television and internet support is more global in nature. I am an old dinosaur and soon their will be non of us left.

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16 Feb 2018 19:59:56
Many things come into it but the success of a team is high on the list. I am from the Wirral and used to go to Tranmere games Friday nite and Everton Saturday. But Everton were my team. I moved to Gloucestershire then Devon and Cornwall starting 1980. I have continued to go to occasional games with the South West Blues. My mates down here from Plymouth etc are die hard Blues. Started supporting in 80's in the main. They are as loyal as any scouser. Weird tho it is. So locality can be a reason, but not necessarily.

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17 Feb 2018 01:51:50
I understand that delay, the people I am talking about are the glory hunters.

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17 Feb 2018 16:31:33
Blue I remember that game, wasn’t that the one Neville threw 2 heavy takes in one after the other and one of them on Ronaldo? The whole ground picked up, stood up and roared right through the whole second half. That was some game.

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Review Of The Day 16th February 2018

16 Feb 2018 05:29:42
{Ed's Note - Tris Burke has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 16th February 2018

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