Everton Banter Archive June 15 2016

 

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15 Jun 2016 21:53:23
Isn't it great not bargain basement shopping, I think it was in the 80s when I was a kid last time haha.

Looking forward to next season and the kids that come through last year.

Good times are back

Murff is banned from betting till xmas😂😂.

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15 Jun 2016 22:05:37
Don't hold your breath. As an arsenal fan, I can recall several times when I've expected a higuain and received a sanogo.

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15 Jun 2016 22:51:41
It must be tough being perennial qualifiers for the champions league. The last what 20 plus years in a row. Has to be some sort of record. Arsenal are definitely not deprived.

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15 Jun 2016 23:41:22
But Stan the man made sure nothing was done unless he did it. hence the reason Moshiri is here. usmanov and Moshiri weren't allowed to plonk there hands in there pockets if I'm right.

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16 Jun 2016 05:54:58
Weird that comment I made above sure it was about Everton 😂😂😂

CS that did make me laugh haha.

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15 Jun 2016 21:41:13
Hi Ed what are the chances RK will have more than 100m available without selling players? Say he spends the 100 and come deadline day he says I need 2-3 more players and it's going to cost me 45m do you thing he'll get the backing?

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{Ed002's Note - I really don't want to discuss the finances.}

15 Jun 2016 20:38:04
If we lose Lukaku, which is likely. Who do we get to replace the goals?

For me I'd like to see Bony come in. He's not had a great time with City. But then he needs to be playing regularly to feed his confidence. Not going to happen at City but can happen with us.

Strong on the ball, a very good first touch, good in the air and can weigh in with 20 goals a season. So definitely my first choice.

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15 Jun 2016 21:26:08
Not sure about first choice but would definitely like to see him come in. Would be a good addition and I can't see him being massive money either.

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15 Jun 2016 21:39:09
if the club are planning a 100-140 grand a week offer to keep him at the Club, wouldn't that be the cheaper option rather than looking for a 20 goal a season striker who we would have to tempt with those sort of wages anyway.

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15 Jun 2016 21:52:03
Don't get me wrong Bill, a committed Lukaku is all that most of us want so in that case definitely. But in the "likely" event of him leaving, I'm saying go for Bony.

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15 Jun 2016 23:45:40
Callus Wilson from Bournemouth or Andre Gray from Burnley. But continentaly I'd like either of milik, lacazette, embolo, batshuayi, alcacer or janssen.

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16 Jun 2016 08:58:06
IF Man City are really interested in John Stones and IFF Stones wants to leave and iff Boni is of interest to Koeman, then option of part ex plus cash from City.
Iff choice between Lukaku or Stones to leave my preference is Stones to stay and Lukaku to leave.

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15 Jun 2016 18:47:09
Get rid of lakaku he's a digrace doesn't deserve to wear everton blue id take 65mil tomorrow he wants to play in champs leaque lmfao he's after a big pay don't offer him 100 grand a week offer him the door we want players who want to play 4 efc an roms not that take 65mil and buy a world class striker and pay them 100 grand aweek think our 1st signing will be a keeper then cb and cover 4 colman then a player maker in midfield then a couple of strikers hopefully ron will play 442 happy days at goodison again.

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15 Jun 2016 22:06:57
I have to be honest, I wouldn't give you 30mill for lukaku. I hope you get as much as you can, but a 60 million player I think not.

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16 Jun 2016 00:18:39
Yeah get rid off him I'm sure we'll have world class strikers queuing outside finch farm.

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15 Jun 2016 16:58:12
Anybody know the latest with regards to a dof. With rk signing it must be a dead cert who the dof is going to be. Surely he wouldn't have signed not knowing who he's going to be working with. It seems to have all gone quiet with monchi. Is monchi still realistic or do we have any serious interest in someone else.

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15 Jun 2016 18:26:06
Seems Monchi is going elsewhere Ed002 has stated. Reported PSG wanted him don't know if it's true.

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15 Jun 2016 16:10:50
Recent seasons have shown that clubs can come up from the Championship and compete with the established Premier League clubs. Leicester City I guess are the prime example. Bournemouth, Watford and Crystal Palace all did reasonably well last season. Burnley, Middlesborough, Hull, Birmingham, QPR, Reading and Wolves have all spent time in the top flight. This season Newcastle, Norwich and Villa will be joining the Championship.

That is a minimum of 13 clubs who should be in a much more precarious position than us. Their "star" or "quality" players would surely prefer to be playing for Everton. I trust that the 200 or so players at these clubs would have at least a few players who would improve our squad greatly. Ok tempting someone from Leicester might be difficult, but the rest should be ripe for picking and I would expect to target aat least a few players from these clubs. 100 million would go a lot further than if going for the superstar ones cast off from the so called bigger clubs in the UK or abroad.

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15 Jun 2016 16:28:50
That works in theory Degs but, apart from a couple at Newcastle, I'm struggling to think of any players from them that would be economically viable or that would improve our current squad. Our targets may change depending on if we get a DoF to work alongside RK.

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15 Jun 2016 16:37:39
Until we prove ourselves to be serial trophy winners and serial Champions League qualifiers, we won't necessarily have enough to attract the top players from those clubs. We might be about to start paying massive wages, but every other Premier League club is benefitting from huge broadcast income and could do likewise. Please don't think that Mr Moshiri is going to give a large part of his personal fortune to fund the club's activities. Most, if not all, of the transfer spending (and corresponding wages) will surely be funded by the club's broadcast and other commercial income and any outgoing transfers. Also, notwithstanding massive wages, what would persuade a player to come to be a squad player and bench warmer at Everton If he's a crowd favourite and regular starter elsewhere? Once we start winning domestically and internationally, then we'll surely see loads of players - egged on by their agents - wanting to join us, but for now it's a case of let Mr Moshiri, Ronald Koeman, and everyone else at Everton get us moving towards that goal.

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15 Jun 2016 20:06:35
Players from the Championship won't come to Everton? I am not on about bench warmers anyway. The only alternatives are foreign leagues or lower leagues. ie League 1 or 2? Each of the teams I listed must have a player or two who would improve our squad.

After all we are not top 4 just yet. Stoke, West Ham and Leicester and Southampton all finished above us. Swansea Watford WBA Crystal Palace Bournemouth etc all finished with similar points totals. In the top 10 teams of the Championship there is 150 players to choose from. With the 150 or so in Premier League squads I cannot believe there are no players that would improve our squad and who should be targeted by us.

I don't want to make this a Moyes debate but in his time he targeted Baines from Wigan, Jags from Sheffield United (both in seasons when their teams were relegated if I remember correctly) Coleman from Ireland, Stones from Barnsley for peanuts (not Pienaar) .

So to suggest these type of players are:
1. not available

2. not good enough

3. won't come to Everton is naive in the least. I list our back 4 as the example. These are neither bench warmers nor reluctant to be with us.

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15 Jun 2016 23:16:12
Yes Degsypulford that worked under Moyes but it doesn't happen as much as it used to and Moyes isn't our manager anymore.

The main reason it worked under Moyes imho was because of the way Moyes had the team set up. Not only were they bargain buys they fitted the system Moyes had. It was very much a team effort. Collectively they were good as a unit but individually not so good.

That's why I think most players if not all that left while Moyes was here for better things didn't work out. Like Pienaar, Lescott etc. People will say Lescott has medals but he wasn't a success. They didn't keep him too long and he got relegated with his current team.

The team unit wasn't evident under Martinez. It was more about individuals and for me that was a major difference in why the defense worked under Moyes and not Martinez.

Basically united we stand tall, divided we fall. Moyes having a united team and Martinez having individuals.

I think Koeman is somewhere in the middle which suits me. I wouldn't expect many championship signings though. Moyes more or less had to do it. Thank god he was good at it.

I don't think Koeman will. The thing I love most about the transfer market is getting bargains. I think Koeman will be a middle of the road type buying players. Imho his signings will be in the £10 plus million range but for value. I hope anyway.

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16 Jun 2016 04:51:22
Degsy I agree with all you say about those players we signed. But I think we signed those because our budget dictated that we could only go for these players. But then you could argue that it worked well because they have also been courted by richer clubs for way more than we paid for them, and I'd agree with that too.

So if that continued, and we found more gems from lower teams than us then so be it. But my point is this, we now have the option to aim higher. The heights that we look on with envy at other clubs who could take Lescott because they could. Or Arteta because they could, or our very own Rooney because they could. We can now afford to flex our dollars and get better players who will fit in with other better players to take us to the next level.

No longer will we be little old Everton. We will be the big club being viewed by many through green envious eyes.

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16 Jun 2016 07:23:38
I agree with the Arteta comments. He was another bargain who was improved with us.

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16 Jun 2016 07:28:13
I agree with the Arteta comment and he wqas improved no end with us. However, I do not agree with players leaving us not doing well. Lescott has a championship medal. Ask him was it worth it. People mock Fellaini. He was best player on the pitch in the semi against us and for a big man has a great touch. He was best for Belgium too. Rooney won just about everything. Yes there are examples of those who could not make the step to regular games in a Champions League qualified club. But a player does not perform brilliantly just because he plays for Everton then become a bad player because he moves clubs. If that was the case we would win the Champions League every season!

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15 Jun 2016 15:01:12
If lukaku does leave do you really think we can replace him with another striker that will score the same amount of goals?

How many of these top strikers are there? Not too many in my opinion.

I know he runs his mouth but we should keep him if we can.

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15 Jun 2016 17:19:18
I've no idea - and I'm sure that most of the fans/ posters don't either - which players will stay or which players will leave or which players will come in as RK shapes his squad.
The good news is that we're under no financial pressure to move players on AND we're now in a reasonable position to pay the transfer fees and wages for good players. Whether those players would join us while we're not a Champions League club is a moot point.
I also want to see if our much-vaunted U21/ U18 players are able to deliver at the Premier League (let alone European competition) level.
After the failure of the Martinez experiment, I'm looking forward to see what a Koeman-coached Everton side produces.

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15 Jun 2016 18:28:13
Maybe Wilfred Bony if the price is not ridiculous. I still think Shane Long is worth a punt to play off a main striker.

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15 Jun 2016 23:54:13
I agree sid its just annoying when people are calling for lukaku to be sold, put in his place etc. Far gone are the days of player loyalty as previously expressed by Koeman haha.

People would soon forget what Lukaku has been saying if this coming season he reached the 30 goal mark. He is a proven premier league goal scorer getting better year on year.

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15 Jun 2016 14:58:30
Our away fixture at Southampton is scheduled for Saturday 26th November. As Southmpton are playing their fifth Europa League group stage match on Thursday 24th November (they and ManUtd have qualified to go straight into the group stage - West Ham have to get through the play-off round) I'd imagine the Premier League match to be moved back to Sunday afternoon (or maybe Monday evening) . Let's hope it doesn't give travel problems for our amazing away support.

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15 Jun 2016 12:29:41
Reports stating that Lukaku will be offered a new double your money contract to stay with us do we really want him to stay for the money or the fact we are going places and can offer him possible European football maybe even 2017/ 2018. I want a player who wants to be here hopefully RK will sit down with the team and tell them his plans and future for the club and the players will be up for it and next season will be our best in a very long time.

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15 Jun 2016 13:03:53
I've completely gone off Lukaku he and his father have youthed off too often in my opinion. He only scored 1 or 2 premier goals in 2016 and missed 2 vital penalties. grab the money and invest it in someone who wants to play for us.
wellzee.

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15 Jun 2016 13:44:02
I honestly will never take to the fella, he doesn't want to be here and I also think we can find better.

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15 Jun 2016 14:01:11
It goes without saying that, between him, his dad and his agent, there is too much talking about leaving and how good he/ they think he is. There is no doubt, from those who watch him week in week out, that he isn't as good as they/ him think. That's not to say that he is a useless player, you don't score the amount of goals he has in the prem at his age if you are a bad player.
I would be happy if the lad ends up staying as he does score important goals but he still has a lot to learn about the strikers role. I can't see any team wanting to spend 40m+ on him, especially after his nightmare v Italy a few days ago. He is tied down to a contract, not that they mean much in today's game, so, in theory, the club is in control. It will be interesting to see how RK treats the situation and, more importantly, how he handles Rom. There's no question that RM bowed down to the players so I'm looking forward to seeing this squad managed with a bit more discipline. No more dead certs to start even when players are off form which should keep all of them on their toes.
If he goes he goes but I wouldn't be too bothered if he starts next season with us. But only if we see enough of a change in his attitude and hear a lot less from his agent and dad. I wouldn't give him a pay rise until he knuckles down and shows he deserves it.

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15 Jun 2016 14:34:24
Personally I hope he stays.

No matter what you may think of him without his goals last season we would now be in the Championship.

His attitude stinks but he is still relatively young and he needs someone like Koeman to take him under his wing and get him to the next level. RK has that gift and can/ will get the most out of him.

Once RL gets to see he is appreciated and starts learning again he will become a great asset to us but I would draw the line at offering him double his money to stay. If he stays it MUST BE because he wants to not because he will be on more money to do so.
I think doubling his money sends out the wrong kind of message, Everton and RK should ONLY want players who WANT to play for us.

As far as RL father goes he is just looking out for his son, he has seen him start to flourish at Everton and thinks now is the right time for him to go, we all offer our kids what we think at the time is our best advice even if that advice is wrong. Remember as parents we are often blind to everything else that goes on and as a result we tend to offer advice even when it is not needed. Now his agent on the other hand is not doing RL any favours at all and IMHO needs to be changed as soon as possible, if he is not careful he could end up ruining RL's career.

If RL stay's he will no doubt get some stick from the crowd, once he scores a few goals for us all of this will be forgotten, especially when he scores that goal on the last day of the season to take us into the CL. It won't take a long time for him to become hero again ( he could do that by scoring a hat trick aginst the other lot )

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15 Jun 2016 15:41:12
Get rid of him yesterday please.

A couple of your points Grumpy have answered your questions.

He doesn't want to be at Everton then he must leave.

RM made him the egotistical player he is today by putting on a pedastal and appreciating him to death.

I would rather him play for us for money rather than wanting to go every 5 minutes because he is the king of the world and deserves better than Everton.

Having players with you for money is good, having players because they have fell in love with the club is also good but having a player that doesn't want to play for you and wants to be somwhere else is not good.

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15 Jun 2016 16:32:54
I'm not sure RM can take all the credit for him having an ego. So let's maybe not make RM the scapegoat for every issue the club/ player has.

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15 Jun 2016 18:32:42
Nobody is blaming RM for the lads ego but he certainly contributed in hoisting him upon that pedestal CT. No one can deny that Rom was pretty invincible under our last manager, he massaged that ego when he should have been dropping him. I wouldn't blame everything on RM but man management wasn't his strong point, he didn't want to upset his goal scorer, and that helped in getting him the boot.

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15 Jun 2016 10:34:46
people moan about Gibson always been injured yet want krul is always getting a long lenth injury makes Gibson look tame.

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15 Jun 2016 12:17:26
Never moaned about Gibson and I would welcome Krul. What's your stance? Spend £40m on Harte?

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15 Jun 2016 13:58:42
Hope the Tim Krul stuff, is a smoke screen to hide his real target, second rate, at best.

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15 Jun 2016 14:37:09
not Hart but Newcastle will still want around 10 15 million for him and there are better options around at same price. what your opinion ed 25.

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{Ed025's Note - i like krul bretto and think he is better than hart to be honest, joe is far too good looking for a keeper which means he does not put his head in at a strikers feet and get the odd kick in the face mate.. :)

15 Jun 2016 15:29:03
haha i just think krul a risk wouldn't mind mandada on free. Leno Sommer wouldn't be bad.

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15 Jun 2016 10:30:35
Tasty December and April fixture lists. Can't wait to see what happens.

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15 Jun 2016 09:30:16
Let rom go for £60m, stones go for £50m and add that to £100m to spend look what we can get just for selling 2 players. One that had a bad season and one who's bugging himself up but can't control anything.

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15 Jun 2016 10:21:56
I like your valuations K, no chance we will get 60 million for Rom, lucky if we get 45mill, Stones could go for 45mill as long as 2 clubs come in for him (Utd and City) otherwise no chance.

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15 Jun 2016 14:06:42
I agree with Murf. The thing that I would be thinking is if we get say £40m for Stones. Can we get a player who would be of greater benefit to Everton in the long run? Like would we really be better off getting someone else.

Few signings work out extremely well and we all know Stones is going to have a bright future. Chances are the money we get for him would not improve the team more than if he remained.

I'd be happy to be proved wrong if he does go.

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15 Jun 2016 14:07:31
If Lukaku doesn't pull his socks up in the Euros then I think he will end up staying. For the reason that he will not attract the kind of money that interests us.

He says he wants to play champions league football, but you have to be good enough. And right now he is showing that he isn't.

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15 Jun 2016 15:36:43
Rom could play CL football but anyside that takes him would need to play like we did against Chelsea in the FA. play rom in a Vardy like role (this time last year I said on this site we should sign Vardy before looking at yarmolenko and got shot down by all)

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15 Jun 2016 09:13:27
I would love koeman and Everton to shut lakaku up and show him club are in charge of when and where he goes till contract is up.
If I was him I would be more worried with the world seeing he can't trap, or control a ball with his first touch just like he did against Italy
Buy a striker and bench him.
Do what west brom did to berhanio, we kept stones, and he kept quiet, lakaku is trying to cause unrest.
Well time to cool him and his father and agent down. Everton do this and put the power back into clubs.

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15 Jun 2016 09:21:37
I'd love it too, but its more Custer's last stand than Rage against the machine I'm afraid Pb.

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15 Jun 2016 09:10:27
Everton v Spurs opening fixture has Monday Night Football written all over it.

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15 Jun 2016 09:08:00
Just seen our first 6 fixtures and not including tottenham on the first day an easy ish start to the season should be able to get some points on the board early.

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15 Jun 2016 06:08:38
Just watched the Koeman interview, Finch Farm looks better for a lock of paint.

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15 Jun 2016 00:21:33
not a rumour but would anyone take moussa dembele from Fulham?

we have/ had good links with them and a deal could be reached between us and them easily.

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15 Jun 2016 00:41:49
He's already left I think. not sure which team.

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15 Jun 2016 00:01:37
Apologies if someone else has already posted this rumour, the site has understandably been busy tonight. According to the Echo we are looking at Tim Krul and Axel Witsel. Witsel would cost £30m. Are these names plucked out of a hat Eds or is there any actual substance to the rumours as far as you know? I would also be interested to hear thoughts from my fellow blues.

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{Ed091's Note - I think we both know the answer to spending 30m on witsel..
the hat theyre plucked from may as well have been the hogwarts sorting hat.

15 Jun 2016 07:12:13
He's got 12 months left on his contract. £30 million is fantasy. He's not worth that with 3 years left on his contract imo.

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