Everton Banter Archive June 15 2014

15 Jun 2014 19:48:56
After watching the game last night although we lost our performance was good overall but baines and Rooney our being singled out, by no means did either have good game but baines was left stranded at left back he had no cover what so ever, Rooney should of been helping out but then again should rooney be out of position on the left our defence was left exposed due to 2 players not doing there jobs Gerrard and Henderson both in holding defensive protection which they did not do and again failed to break up the play which is the holding midfield role in that formation Barry and McCarthy are perfect in those roles Gerrard is a player learning that role. Also they have to find a place in the team for him end of boy ouses class

If gerrard is in a unfimiliar position and rooney is, why is gerrard at fault but not rooney.gerrard has the centre of midfield to contend with. Rooney had to help baines, and he didnt.imo rooney seems to lost interest since he renewed contract for 300k a week

This is what happens when there are 3 players (Rooney Sterling and Sturridge) vying for 2 positions. If it works no problem; if it doesn't manager gets criticism. All the fans wanted attractive attacking football and they got what they wanted. Forget about the winning and enjoy the breath of fresh air from previous sterile displays. I look forward to to the Euros1

Not only Rooney.Henderson was ball winning MC. Why didn't delay game?

15 Jun 2014 17:08:48
Just a thought. But seeing as we don't appear to have anyone who knows how to play left midfield, why don't we move Baines there and bring Shaw into LB. At least it would allow leighton the chance to go forward without worrying about what's behind him all the time.

We should have started with Llana on the left, Barkley in the middle and Sterling on right

Oh and Rooney in the dugout

{Ed025's Note - your right fluffy..

Good post that, maybe we could have Oviedo LB and Baines LM?

Chelsea want Shaw but Southampton are holding out for 20 odd million. 25 I believe. No way can we pay that for a LB only to experiment moving Baines into midfield only to find out it doesn't work. What then? Wait until Oviedo is fit and then try it.

15 Jun 2014 19:42:11
Think it's england chat degs

I was actually talking about the England team. I know we probably couldn't afford Shaw, but don't be so small minded to think that Martinez does not have someone else in mind. Oh and yes Oviado would be an ideal replacement when fit.

14 Jun 2014 23:30:43
I've had to turn the volume off on the TV, I can't possibly listen to Phil N monotone voice any more, I've had a hard day and he's getting right on my shinpads.

Is Glen Johnson genuinely the best England has for right back. Can't defend, because he is never back in time to do so. And can't cross at all.

Jack Wiltshire just runs straight into people.

Gerrard should never take direct free kicks. There are better free kick takers than him in the first 11

Fed up of hearing about Wayne Rooney work rate. He's a flair player for goodness sake, stop justifying hisplace by work ethic.

But all that will happen is that they will criticize the defence despite the fact that Jags kept it from being worse with his goal line clearance

{Ed025's Note - i think GJ is poor ace...but baines was not at his best either mate..

You're right Ed, but he'll never in my opinion be at his best in an England shirt because the coach and other players just don't know how to play to his strengths.

Baines is one of the best examples ofpass and move iin the English game and sometimes the players fail to read his game.

15 Jun 2014 02:17:50
Sorry toffee don't want to have a row but you don't pick team to play to the full back's strengths. Sometimes you just got to admit to having a bad day at the office

So basically what your saying Ace, is that England lost because of every player who doesn't play for Everton?

15 Jun 2014 07:43:50
Your spot on there Baz, his voice got on my nerves big time, ended up nearly crying with rage every time he opened his mouth, please no more, even tried the switch commentary to 5L but the picture went to SD which was unwatchable

Ed on the Baines comment mate, he was marking 2 men when Shrek was in front of him, Rooney needs dropping just a pity no manager has the balls

Glen J is simply awful, can't believe that's the best we have, shocking RB

Sterling was lively, pity he has one foot but still done more than every other player, cracking player and will link up great when the Ox is back next match

No worries Degs. In a way it's the same thing. He wasnt at his best admittedly. I just think we will never see an England performance from him like we see at club level for the reasons I gave in my post.

You're spot on that England would not prioritize his strengths but that team formation just didn't help him at all.

Baines wasn't great granted but he got very little help from Rooney down that left, was 2 v 1 all the time

I think baines had a less than par performance because rooney was leaving him out to dry every time the italians attacked down the right

Anyone would have struggled when each ti9me Italy were attacking down the right at Baines it was 2 v 1 because rooney is not a left midfielder and was not tracking either of the italian runners.

If Rooney is dropped (not likely unfortunately) who plays in his place? Personally I'd put Barkley there but I'm not the manager.

{Ed025's Note - its a pity your not azul.. :)

Rooney won't be dropped because if he is and England lose that will be the focal point, at least we were more attacking last night and we definitely deserved a point but with Costa Rica winning its still all to play 4

I would still not start Barkley just use him as an impact sub, on the Rooney front if Sterling is preferred to him in the central role then I don't see why he is selected on the left, he left Baines isolated on more then 1 occasion, I wouldd play a front 3 of Milner on the left, Sterling Central and Ox on the right. I expect to be shot down over Milner but he offers the work rate as mentioned about Rooney but he is more tactically aware of his position when we are not in possession of the ball. And another thing I noticed last night is are we going to have another Gerrard Lampard situation with Barkley and Wilshere as it looks like Jack doesn't like the competition of not being England's saviour!

{Ed025's Note - i agree gray, except lallana for milner, and also jack wheelchair is vastly overrated imo, and should never be chosen over ross..

Just think Milners experience ed would see me giving him the nod over lallana but see your point with lallana being a lot more mobile he offers a better out ball for a quick counter attack. Still think England managers are scared to drop certain players due to overhyped egos.