Everton Banter Archive May 14 2016

 

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14 May 2016 23:12:52
Anyone expect Niasse to leave in the Summer?

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15 May 2016 06:52:06
Just depends how good De Boers scouting system was at Ajax. It has been a few years now since I lived over there but then they were renowned for developing and bringing through their own talent. If he/ they knew about Niasse and did nothing about it then I think I would take their judgement over our ex-Manager and his staff. Incidentally does anyone know if when Martinez left all his ex-Wigan staff left with him?

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15 May 2016 08:12:23
As far as I know croc Graeme Jones, Kevin Reeves, Dennis Lawrence and Inaki Bergara all left follwing Bobby's departure. Think that's all his ex-Wigan staff.

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15 May 2016 12:38:37
Which one of the Martinez staff was the fitness / conditioning coach, when it comes to pay off time, he should pay us compensation. Martinez was tactically inept, but cannot take the blame for all the late goals we gave away, in the last 10 minutes of games, the player looked out on their feet.

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14 May 2016 22:22:51
mr Niasse could be in a bit of bother.

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14 May 2016 23:15:36
I shouldn't joke about such things but even if he's charged with assault he'll be found not guilty.

Let's face it, he couldn't hit a barn door.

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14 May 2016 23:20:30
What a joke!

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14 May 2016 21:12:43
Have we any players who are def leaving after tomoz or will it be down to incoming manager.

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14 May 2016 20:24:53
Reply to frank the blue agree with all you say why man u he would never even try to emulate sir Alex it's a poison chalace so why not us to paraphrase shanks to create a bastion of English football in the greatest footballing city in the world come on board Jose the ship is about to sail into history.

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14 May 2016 19:36:38
I would love it if we can get Jose. I have a gut feeling it's going to happen. Not only will it be the best manager but it would give us a chance to keep hold of our players. Will Lukaku and Stones stay? Possibly with Jose but if Moyes, FDB, RK come I still think they will go. Maybe Rafa could persuade them also.

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14 May 2016 18:52:22
Hey fellow blues
So exciting times about a new manager and investment, but is there any chance at all this could persuade Rom to give us one more year?
I've been having a little think about players i'd love us to go for - i admit they are hugely optimistic but i'm desperately hoping we can show a little more ambition in the market now things are changing for the better, and i figure what do we have to lose by at least trying for them.
Jack Butland, Fraser Forster, Kieran Gibbs, Theo Walcott, Gary Cahill, Jese (R. Madrid) Thorgen Hazard, Antoine Griezmann, Keisuke Honda, Sven Bender, Vagner Love, Ever Banega, Hulk, Koke (yes i'm getting carried away by some of these, but they seem to be out of the news of late, and nobody else is bidding so why not try)
Does anyone like the sound of these, or think any would be possible?
Have fun all.

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{Ed002's Note - Butland has just signed a new contract and won't be moving. Forster has just signed a new contract and won't be moving. Walcott may well be heading to another club in London. Jese is subject to discussions with another club. Hazard interests another Premier League side and a buy-back clause exists (but won't be exercised). There have been lengthy talks about Griezmann with another club but he will likely stay where he is for the next two years. Benega will head to Italy or stay where he is. Koke will likely reject interest of others and stay where he is for two years. The others, like these, have not been of interest to Everton at this time. I fear it may be a long summer for you with these expectations, but certainly some will be available - Walcott, Gibbs etc..}

14 May 2016 22:15:20
Thanks Ed002, they were never transfers i ever expected to happen, just players i wish we would move for, or at least start showing interest. Its as though we don't feel we could get them and so we don't even try, i admit we most likely wouldn't ever get them but stranger things have happened (Djorkaeff and Okocha to Bolton, Lombardo to Palace, Ravanelli to Boro, Klinsmann to Spurs, Caniggia to Rangers, etc)
Any idea which London club Walcott is interesting? - He really would be a coup for someone. Finally, do you know why nobody has ever moved for Hulk? Is he just exceptionally happy in Russia because it seems a waste of his talents being there.
Thanks again.

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{Ed002's Note - (a) West Ham. (b) Shanghai Shenhua has spoken to Zenit about Hulk but there is no other interest at this time. In the past price and money have been the issue.}

14 May 2016 18:31:56
Hi I've sent in loads of reports but never put on here.

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{Ed002's Note - One, and it was posted.}

14 May 2016 18:53:49
did you press "reply" or "close" after typing your post.

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14 May 2016 16:12:45
We need to be careful what we wish for here. The fans have made sure by threatening ugly scenes that both the awards dinner and Martinez last game anyway get cancelled. We are on the cusp of one of two things. We either develop into something special with a new manager given time and money to build a great club and football side or the fans are allowed every year to demand more and get rid of the manager if we don't immediately get top six and win a cup etc. I am no fan of Martinez and don't fall on the side of those he deserved better blah blah blah. My concern is that our club becomes the next Leeds or villa with fans demanding change every year if not successful.

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14 May 2016 17:18:27
I don't in any way condone the abusive behaviour, however the nature of football as a business is results driven, so the days of managers with 10 - 20 year tenures like Ferguson, Moyes and Wenger have all but gone. Martinez had 3 seasons which is a fair run and at the end the club was deemed to be moving backwards, so like any business he has lost his job, when the rewards are so high the penalty for failure will be severe.

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14 May 2016 18:12:32
I totally understand and agree with you, Latchford, but I can't see us going down that road. We had the worst home record in Europe, our own worst record in our history, and getting progressively worse for the last couple of seasons. Think a change was justified.

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14 May 2016 19:42:29
It is my view that Martinez may well have developed the youth but once introduced into the senior set-up he all but destroyed them with his obstinacy and proven failed tactics. Let us give the Club the space and time it needs now to make the right decision on our next Manager/ Coach, one that can put back what RM took away.

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14 May 2016 18:03:33
Anyone who believes the fans got RM the sack need to get a grip. As wakka points out, football is about results and our results have been poor for quite a while. Admittedly, he would have been given grief tomorrow but that is not the sole reason he has been given the boot. Winning 1 game in the last 10, last seasons lowly finish as well as this seasons has more to do with it. Plus his stubbornness in not changing his system. If he was doing his job properly then he would still be our manager.

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14 May 2016 15:08:39
I know Moyes would go down well with a lot of supporters but how many fans would not be able to for want of a better phrase "get over it" if he gets us winning again (assuming he's the next manager and I'm in no way suggesting he will be) I wasn't happy with the things he did and said after he left but to be honest he was offered a job he couldn't turn down and it's interesting how many people would have Benitez even though he called us a small club. I suppose my question is how many of us would be willing to give Moyes a chance if he did come back?

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14 May 2016 15:54:45
I hear ya ToffeeAL.

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14 May 2016 16:06:30
Well if Moyes became manager again I for one would support him, but I would be very disappointed. This is a chance for us to move foreword and get a top manager and Moyes is not a top manager, in fact he was fired by his last two employers.

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14 May 2016 17:21:23
I agree Bluemike he has had his time, and circumstances have changed since he left, no longer should we be looking for managers to work on a shoe string, we need winners that can help the club develop and start winning trophies!

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14 May 2016 17:45:03
Regardless of what opinion I may hold on our next manager, once appointed I would support him.

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14 May 2016 18:48:34
True supporter Wedgewood!

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14 May 2016 17:50:12
I'd find it just as hard to support moyes as rm.

I also was dead against mourinhio however I'm leaning more towards him. OK so he may be arrogant etc. The positives off field he would bring would be immense in terms of publicity marketing and brand enhancement. Let alone the immediate impact with on field issues. And given a war chest he could bring some serious quality players in.

Just hope the board don't take too long deciding who is the best manager for us. the sooner it's sorted the better we will become next season.

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14 May 2016 18:07:39
I'm quite confident that this is just mischief, there is not much chance of us going back. If it was just BK in charge then I'd be worried that this story had legs but I think Moshiri will have bigger plans for us as he looks to gain total control. Hopefully anyway! DM had his time and we have a lot to thank him for but, at the same time, his comments and conduct when joining the mancs will divide a lot of our supporters. We need to move on with a new man imo.

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14 May 2016 14:57:56
I'm happy that the mood has changed among supporters it will now give the fans the chance to give Tim Howard the send off he deserves and also thank Naisy for all he did for us no way that would have happened if Martinez had still been here due to the toxic atmosphere had he stayed and I think the two deserve to be remembered for the good they did for us.

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14 May 2016 14:56:25
If Mr. Moshiri wants to follow a 'Director of Sport/ football' model, or whatever it's called, then what combinations of director / coach are in the realms of possibility? Egos aside, if they were convinced to work in partnership, who would make a winning combo? Moyes and De Boer? Royle and Eddie Howe? Wenger and Pulis?! Benitez and Ben and Jerry's?!

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14 May 2016 15:20:25
Moyes won't work in that kind of relationship, he's old school, manager has to have total control.

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14 May 2016 14:21:59
HI ed looks like Moyes is starting to biget himself up for the job. What do you think the chances are of him being offered it again.

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{Ed002's Note - I would think that David Moyes would be considered.}

14 May 2016 15:03:11
Hopeful zero!

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14 May 2016 14:28:12
It's great to see the recent positivity on this site, it's been missing for too long. I'm quietly confident it will continue as I truly believe that Moshiri's final say on sacking our manager could well be looked back on as the start of his grand vision for the club.
Have to say, although I actually like Mourinho and would be understandably a top choice, this might sound controversial, but after his tenure at Chelsea, could be as risky as any other choice. I'd rather not replace a manager who so clearly lost the dressing room, with another who was released from his previous club for the same reason. For all we know, this could be the beginning of a decline for the special one and his controversial style may not rub well with the fans in reality. If Koeman is out of the running, then I'd happily take De Boer for the following reasons.
1. Ajax have a good defensive record and a winning mentality, driven by De Boer's hard but fair, encouraging attitude.
2. He's been loyal to his club for 6 years and a club like Everton need a manager willing to stay on and rebuild the club's identity and get us back to the reputation that we deserve.
3. He has a great reputation for bringing through young talent. Vertonghen, Eriksen and Alderweireld were all coached by De Boer.
4. If we truly are building something at the club, I'd rather have a manager that wants the job, rather than has to be talked into it. De Boer is interested because he knows he'd be a good fit and must have a fairly exciting idea of where he could take the club, since he's never really taken his focus away from Ajax before.
The wealth of managers mentioned at the moment makes for exciting times and the options potentially available are miles away from the limited choices the club had when Martinez was appointed. If we'd have had the option to appoint De Boer then, I bet most supporters would bite his hand off.

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14 May 2016 14:00:46
in papaers today. a slightly different version of what koeman has said"quote" i know nothing of the everton job, its possible i sign a new contract but that depends on the conversation what i have to do now is prepare them for the last game and we will see what happens. a bit diffo fromyesterday when it was said he is deffstaying.

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14 May 2016 14:00:13
Know he can be arrogant and abrasive (unlike that nice mr martinez) but, if the special one goes to united, LVG, would be available, no compensation fee, good record for winning things, and up to date in terms of the prem, so, any takers?

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14 May 2016 14:11:04
I'm sure he said after his final year he is retiring to spend time with his wife and give her some attention.

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14 May 2016 16:01:28
My impression is LVG can't wait to finish in the premier league. He doesn't like the media at all. Only thing stopping him from walking is pride imho.

He is a top manager and had a very good rep before coming to Utd. That kind of got damaged with Utd. He strikes me as a very proud man so imho as soon as he turns things around at Utd he'll ride into the sunset happily.

That's if he gets the chance to turn things around. Could very well be let go in the summer. Either way I can't see LVG doing another job in the premier league.

Then again I could be totally wrong.

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14 May 2016 16:11:46
Steady on, BeStyrne, this is a family friendly site! :)

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14 May 2016 13:57:55
Now at the risk of looking like a completely uneducated bellend has anyone thought that moyes could actually be a very good appointment? Boring football and being a backstabbing defensive prick aside, tactically, what moyes used to do was normally set out a solid defence and let his front 4 do the talking but unfortunately none of our strikers, bar their 1st season, ever looked likely to score. But now we have Lukaku who has shown time and again he has the ability to score suddenly we won't look so dire going forward. Thoughts?

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14 May 2016 14:26:22
You're a brave man Jason. I'll give you that.

Joking aside, we know we will be tight under Moyes and that he will ruin any striker we buy. But he walked out on us and did it in a very sneaky way.

Given more money than before could he do a better job? Probably. But then so could maybe the other candidates who haven't done to us what he did.

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14 May 2016 14:32:55
The supporters are too split on this I think. I would have him back but there is so much anti Moyes feeling I believe it would split the support. One thing I do know is Moyes left a very strong squad after 11 years of wheeling and dealing. RM came in and immediately had 27 million from Fellaini sale. That went on Lukaku. He has since spent in excess of 50 million and in my humble view the squad is now much inferior. 13 mill on McCarthy was excessive. 6 mill on Kone was just a waste. McGeady was a waste and 13 mill on Niasse looks like money down the drain. Add the wages of Alcaraz and the fact we ended up paying a fee for Barry due to the complicated agreement and our current position. I would say we need about another 50 mill to get back where we were when Moyes left.

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14 May 2016 14:39:50
Front 4?
I'm sure we played 4 5 1 under Moyes!

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14 May 2016 14:53:45
I think we (and other fans) said he could do it if he had the money. Now he could have the money So.

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14 May 2016 14:58:06
A split. That indicates there is a 50/ 50 support which I'm not sure if at all.

I agree on Niasse but still not enough game time to be sure. McCarthy if sold would get a fair bit more than we paid for him. Barry has been worth the outlay. And as regards the strikers, Kone poor but still if sold we could recoup the initial outlay as it's hard to get a striker for less than 5 mill these days. And Lukaku would not have been considered by Moyes as he's certainly not a Moyes type of player which is why when he left our best striker was Naismith and Fellaini up top.

But agree the team has gone backwards and Moyes would definitely do a better job with most of Martinez signings.

I just struggle to forget his sneaky machinations when we deserved a little transparency. I don't think many would have begrudged him the move if he'd have been more open about it.

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14 May 2016 16:05:45
I'm a Moyes man and I can't disagree with anything you said there Toffee Ace.

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14 May 2016 17:28:59
Can't believe some of the pro posts for Moyes on here, he did a great job, but before he left there were so many negative posts about Dour Dave and how so many wished for more exciting football, then there was the first season under Martinez when all was rosy and Moyes was soon forgotten and many even wanted him to fail at utd. Now many are wanting him back! do you not have any greater ambition than going backwards?
Sounds so fickle to me!

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14 May 2016 18:50:31
Not all were like that wakka. Only very few.

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14 May 2016 13:47:18
Is it just me or is anyone else's life totally consumed by this whole Manager saga.

The last few weeks have been filled with doom and gloom, and the last few days filled with excitement and day dreams.
People are talking to me and I don't take any notice whatsoever, unless it's about Everton, I'm just in a constant day dream.

It's begining to drive me insane.

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14 May 2016 13:44:32
Not posted for ages burying my head in the sand for ages due to the rubbish I have seen over last 12 months.
We have to go all out to get mourinho he wants a project and I don't see how Utd is a project, he will never be able to get nowhere near Fergusons legacy and mourinho needs to feel loved, if Mr Moshiri is what we hope he is then Mourinho could be the one to take everton to new places and create his own legacy, just appointing him will put us up there and have football world looking at us and taking notice, Moshiri does not need to know his football at the end of the day he is looking for someone to put this business at the very top so go get the best person out there, yes he is on 12m a year but no compo needed and sat there out of work, I know de boer has left Ajax but there would be a cost to us as he left and did not get sacked. I'm not sold on anyone else other than mourinho, bottom line is we need to be the best team in the league so get the best manager, another thing is if Utd don't get him I don't see those big jobs out there for him, plus he wants to be In prem.

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14 May 2016 13:13:16
Well plenty of speculation on who is going to be Everton's next manager. The question I would ask is "Who the hell is going to choose the next manager and what is the process to pick one". I don't see that Moshiri has the knowledge about football to be able to make a decision and who would trust the board, Kenwright or Elstone to bring on the right person. We can't make another mistake this time around. In addition their has been some speculation that we would go the "Sporting Director Model" route. If that is the case would it not make more sense to appoint a "Sporting Director" or whatever you want to call him and let that person have a say in choosing the next manager. Ed002 has a good idea on what is going on at the club, any ideas on this subject?

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14 May 2016 13:10:42
I would like to wish martinez well in the future
All though i agree with his sacking he was stil mearly a man who wanted the best for us i'm sure but unfortunetly he couldn't deliver as not all keys work in every lock.

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14 May 2016 11:30:48
Just say for instance, De Boer does become our manager, who do you think he would try to get from Ajax, player wise. Managers nearly always go back to there former clubs. I reckon Cillisen and Veltman. Ed002 said a short time ago that Milik won't be leaving the club. They have a young decent left footed winger called Cerny who may be worth a look and a No10 midfielder Davey Klassen, who is like Eriksen at spurs. Then again it depends on De Boer becoming manager.

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14 May 2016 11:45:22
veltan cissilen klassen and fischer.

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14 May 2016 11:55:58
Hope he does not come, he is a bit of a Martinez clone I fear for us if we get De Boer.

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14 May 2016 11:27:56
two bits of great news in a week its to much to take. first we sacck the dozy one and now hughs has ruled himself out of the blues job. cheers sparky i think we will get over it very very very quickley.

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14 May 2016 12:30:31
Heaven forbid we get Hughes.
I'd be shocked if his name has even been mentioned by the board.

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14 May 2016 10:56:23
I give up I don't know who I want think it's going to be a hard choice to please everyone but I think the man has already been chosen a few weeks back and they are keeping there cards close to there chest for what ever reason.

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14 May 2016 11:10:40
most papers saying we are in talks with de boers agent but he is also koemans agent aswell hmmm.

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14 May 2016 12:55:12
just listend to city talk and a bloke who knows all about frank de boer and i liked what i heard. all this crap about he is to much like martinez has just been blown out the water.1,he likes to surround himself with people who have deep history with the club 2,guess what he has a plan b 3,he loves to work with academy players and give them their chance 4,where martinez was soft de boer is "quote" absolutly brutal if he thinks players are not pulling their wieght 5,likes to play attacking football but knows how to defend aswell. i am liking it now. oh ye and he won more than cryuff when he managed them.

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14 May 2016 10:14:57
Dream scenario, not saying its going to happen. Mourinho gets appointed and Lukaku decides to stay. I know he very much looks like a player that wants to leave but IF Mourinho gets the job he might change his mind. After all he did say he wants to play under Mourinho again in the future. It would be his perfect opportunity. Plus if the reports are true and £100m is available to spend in the summer it all might be enough to convince him to stay.

All depends on Mourinho coming which at this stage is unlikely. Just going through scenarios in my head. A decent manager with this squad and £100m we'd have to be aiming for top 6 next season.

I think it was Murf who said it probably won't be anyone that was mentioned. I'm afraid to say that could be very true.

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14 May 2016 11:54:23
Agree with nearly everything except top 6. We should be aiming for the top. Leicester did it. So anybody can.

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14 May 2016 14:06:41
no one else comes ro mind though NB, perhaps another Pochettino gem is on the cards.

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14 May 2016 10:06:44
fdb avb could be a risk who knows
moyes, oniell save bet to keep the club running in the premier league
benitez, mouriniho, mancini european football.

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14 May 2016 10:50:27
Take out Benitez and AVB and I'd be happy enough with any of the rest. Obviously rather some more than others. Just my preference. I get the feeling a lot would not be happy with Moyes and even more unhappy with O'Neill.

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14 May 2016 09:47:50
''I'm more than happy here (Stoke) and looking forward to next season. We've a lot of good things going on and my job certainly isn't finished. ''


'Mark Hughes'

Thankyou Sparky and good luck!

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14 May 2016 09:06:42
Hope it's not the outgoing Watford manager where looking at.

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14 May 2016 10:50:04
Me too Martout, nevertheless he did a good job at Watford and did not deserve the sack I hope he comes back to bite them in the arse!

Btw I mean the Watford board not the supporters.

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14 May 2016 07:13:13
How about reberto manchini not been mentioned that much.

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14 May 2016 07:42:09
Iv always thought there is an air of slyness around him. He sulks and moans and everything is always someone else's fault. Just my opinion but I don't think we should be looking at someone with his characteristics.

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14 May 2016 08:17:08
Mancini is the latest recommendation of a certain tv pundit ex Evertonian ex Liverpool player, who is strangely interested in who our new manager should be not could be imo.

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13 May 2016 23:12:25
I think we missed the boat not bringing Joe and Unsworth in after the Derby, or at least after the semi defeat.

We could have seen how they did for the final matches, I for one would have gambled on these two, right guys for the final match, I will be a monkeys uncle if we don't get anything less than a win and 100% effort from the team.

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