Everton Banter Archive March 14 2016

 

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14 Mar 2016 21:11:21
Lets win for Howard kendall.

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14 Mar 2016 21:26:08
Not just for him, but for all Evertonians past and present
And for all those future Evertonians who will find themselves "chosen' when they watch us winning a trophy by playing superb football.

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14 Mar 2016 21:00:13
If, for whatever reason, Lukaku isn't available tor the semi-final (or any fixture come to that! ) , then imho our chances of winning are severely reduced. I just hope that Niasse (or whoever) is fully ready to step up should the need arise.

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{Ed025's Note - thats a major concern sid..

14 Mar 2016 21:27:31
It is a concern but we spent £13.5m on Niasse. He has to play at some point. He wasn't bought to sit on the bench, surely not?

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14 Mar 2016 22:23:25
mark my words niasse is going to be the amokatchi of this fa cup run lukaku will be fine he's built like a ox we score goals all over the park lukaku has scored half are goals not all of them.

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14 Mar 2016 22:46:31
What's the crack with niasse I know he hadn't played for a few months Rom will need a break soon after the FA cup is won that is.

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14 Mar 2016 20:38:58
In my humble opinion, in the past, Kenwright, Moyes, Martinez, etc., could always point to the club's lack of funds and the aging (crumbling? ) stadium as reasons why we weren't consistent challengers for trophies or CL qualification.
I know those reasons (excuses? ) don't wash with many fans as adequate explanations for poor performances and poor results, but the lack of funds was a fact and the state of GP is a fact.
This all changes now with Mr Moshiri coming into our club.
We'll have funds to recruit - and, just as importantly, retain - top-quality players.
We'll also have the wherewithal to get a modern stadium (be that a redeveloped GP or a new site) .
Now there can be no excuse for not making the progress we expect/ demand (and were promised by BK/ RM) . I've little doubt that FM - while giving people a reasonable chance to prove themselves - will be ruthless in addressing any failure to deliver the success we all crave. It'll be a fascinating journey.
:-)

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14 Mar 2016 21:17:13
There are a lot of clubs who now have billionaires in charge of there clubs and there are only x amount of good players and trophies to win we all can't win so we are going to end up with a lot of miserable billionaires in our league only one team can win the league.

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14 Mar 2016 21:30:53
Skylark: Very true. At least our investor appears to be interested in developing our football club and not just using us as a lucrative (telly money, etc. ) personal income stream.
My original point was that whatever happens, the likes of BK, RM, etc., can have no excuses about lack of finances being behind any future lack of progress and success.

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14 Mar 2016 21:42:26
Agreed.

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14 Mar 2016 21:49:00
Agree with you both. There are a few billionaires running clubs in the league but not all of them can win. I believe we have touched lucky with our new owner, patience is a virtue!

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15 Mar 2016 02:43:12
This is not the same as the man city takeover, I think this is quite a unique takeover actually.
It's happened at a time when owning a PL club is at its most bankable and the risk is much less provided you stay in the PL.
I think the overly sentimental Kenwright finding his 'perfect' investor etc is genuinely quite positive as I know he's got the clubs best interests at heart.
How many other clubs can say they have a manager, a chairman and an owner who all are invested so strongly into improving the club and care so much about its long term future, it's no surprise that on average EFC holds onto its players longer than any other club. Fact.

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15 Mar 2016 08:24:52
Surely Leicester have shown this year its not all about the biggest bank account, but a good manager and a committed team that have come through!

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14 Mar 2016 20:30:17
It seems that McGeady is having a decent spell at Sheffield Wednesday, nabbing a decent goal, some even regularly referring to him as the best player on the pitch. Their fans love him. They might actually want to keep him. If they buy him for any price at the end of the season, it will be a fantastic bit of business, although I'd be happy for them to pay in wonky veg and kit kats. In the meantime, In the event of his return, let's program his satnav to only direct him to a Greggs in Moscow, fill his finch farm parking space with inflatable Aaron Lennons and wedge the front door shut with the FA cup. :)

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{Ed025's Note - that made me smile mate.. :)

14 Mar 2016 21:06:20
Why do people love to target certain players for abuse? Right McGeady didn't do well at Everton but he's not near as bad as people make out.

Before Cleverly came to Everton there was stupid comments about packets of crisps as payment. I bet there's people saying to themselves where am I getting that from. People have short memories. Cleverly doesn't get stupid comments made about him now because he was always better than people made him out to be.

McGeady is doing good because he's getting a run of games and not getting abuse from his own supporters. If Sheffield Wednesday get promoted he'll be idealised by their fans.

Fair play to him and I hope he continues to be a part of their success this season. He'll even be playing in the Euros in the summer if he keeps it up.

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{Ed025's Note - i have never been a fan myself NBTB but would never wish the guy ill fortune, a lot of whats said about players is in jest and part of the banter process but sometimes it will be taken too far, players have thick skins, though not as thick as their wallets mate.. :)

14 Mar 2016 21:36:31
Before anyone says anything I know its the championship and is not up to the same standard of the premiership bla, bla, bla. Could see them in premiership next season. I'd like to see them return to top flight.

2 Sheffield clubs. Would be good to see one of them back up.

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14 Mar 2016 21:44:38
Just poking a bit of fun, NBTB. No offence intended. I wanted McGeady to be a good signing, but it just hasn't happened for him. I'm really not one to boo our own players, but I just couldn't get the image of 40 inflatable Lennons out of my head.

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14 Mar 2016 21:33:53
I know Ed025, they get very well paid. They are all professional football players for a reason imho, simple, because they have a certain amount of talent.

Just because they have a bad run of form doesn't mean they are crap all of a sudden. Supporters turn on players, managers even chairmen far too quick. No patience now at all.

I think luck has a lot to do with how players get on. Especially after moving from another club and even more so when moved from another country. McGeady was unlucky at Everton more than anything imho.

I know not many will agree with that. I'm chuffed he's doing well at the moment. Long may it continue.

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{Ed025's Note - its not aidens fault NBTB i think the move to us was too big a step for him, he will do ok at wednesday as that looks like his level, fans demand a lot from their players and evertonians are no exception, they want to see skill and passion and aiden failed to deliver on both counts i feel, hes not the most gifted and his tracking back was shall we say lacking which is unfortunate as he gave the ball away more than most..that is my view on things anyway, im sure others will have seen it different to me but in the end mate its all about opinions..

14 Mar 2016 22:06:35
You have a good sense of humour onlyhaveeyesforblue. I have to admit you did make me smile with that last comment.

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14 Mar 2016 22:19:18
I know he appeared not good enough and it just didn't happen for him. His passion could definitely be questioned. His skill not as much imo.

I'm not saying he is or was world class. But he has skill. I think he was too inconsistent. He could win a game for a team. In a way kinda like Mirallas. Even though I think Mirallas has more skill.

In Ireland's first game in qualifiers for the euros McGeady scored twice. Ireland won 2 - 0. He won the game for them and got a brilliant start to their qualification campaign which they eventually got through.

He played in Russia for too long and against his will. He was in his prime out there and didn't even want to be playing out there. Its a pity but that's the way it goes.

It works out for some people and doesn't for others. I just feel he could of done better had he stayed in Britain rather than going to Russia against his will.

Anyway, hindsight is a wonderful thing. We can all be wise when hindsight is plain to see.

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{Ed025's Note - its a very fine line NBTB, success and failure are not very far apart in football mate and sometimes its just plain luck..

14 Mar 2016 22:42:07
Too true Ed025, too true.

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14 Mar 2016 23:58:24
He is not EPL class. I'm not sure he is doing so well either. He scored a goal but was also substituted at half time in his previous game. Kind of sums him up.

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14 Mar 2016 19:40:46
semi finals of the Fa cup draw we got westham or utd bring it on.

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14 Mar 2016 19:55:02
Yeah, we could have been lucky and faced Watford first then Crystal Palace for the title. The FA Cup would still be the FA Cup.

But. I'd love some payback with West Ham. I'd love to help send LVG packing at ManU.

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14 Mar 2016 20:20:15
I understand the sentiments, but being motivated by "some payback with West Ham" or "help send LVG packing" seem negative in my humble opinion. I'd rather be positively motivated by simply wanting Everton to win, get to the final, and then win the trophy. Or am I being soft-headed and soft-hearted?

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{Ed025's Note - nothing wrong with a soft heart sid, it will be a hard game whichever one of them we meet but none of them exactly strike fear into me..

14 Mar 2016 20:39:36
Well put, Sid. Plus, confident as I am about our chances, I'd be more worried about RM not learning from the previous West Ham encounter and being found out again by Bilic's tactics. Saturday was a massive boost for morale all round, but consistency is vital and Bobby has been know to repeat his mistakes. I do doubt it would happen, though to be honest, but I'd prefer Utd personally.

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14 Mar 2016 20:54:17
Ed025: I agree that they don't strike fear into me, but no team does that anymore.
I don't think that's because we're so great (ha-ha) . Instead, I suspect it's because we've had so many home defeats this season, that I've no emotional room for fearing another defeat.
If - as all too regularly this season - we throw away a winning position, then I just accept it as "we're Everton - that's what we do" and accept it as inevitable.
It's incredible that I feel like that - maybe it's part of RM's psychological masterplan to convince us (with or without an MIB neuralyzer! ) that we're actually phenomenal and only a small margin away from entering a golden era.
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{Ed025's Note - we will be phenomenal if we lift that cup sid, then all the water will have passed under that proverbial bridge and we start again with a clean slate, fans will always be fickle mate and todays news tomorrows fish and chip paper, the only constant is that we will do it all again season after season.. :)

14 Mar 2016 21:21:08
Ed025; Supporting Everton is a habit, but unlike so many other "habits", it hasn't (yet! ) been criminalised or heavily taxed or demonised - although Thatcher, her political cronies, and her pals in the media tried their best with European bans, fences at grounds, bans on away fans, etc., etc.
Enough of the history lecture (ha-ha! ) - as Evertonians pride themselves on knowing and singing about our history - and instead let's look forward to starting with a clean slate and a bright future.
:-)

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{Ed025's Note - count me in sid..

14 Mar 2016 19:36:11
Made up with the draw, would rather play Utd or W'ham in semis. Looks like we're destined for an Everton Watford final.

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14 Mar 2016 19:35:16
bring either of them on man utd or west ham we will beat them and as I said in jan everton v Watford final.

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14 Mar 2016 20:37:52
Just what I hoped for muff 84 repeat mancs don't stand a chance lakaku will scare them to death as West Ham United it was a one off we will show them how to play football.

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14 Mar 2016 19:02:48
The outpouring of Man Utd fans on Twitter demanding the signing of Lukaku is laughable.

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14 Mar 2016 21:13:03
It was the same (albeit not on social media in those days! ) when they wanted Rooney.
The difference now is they we don't have to sell for urgent financial reasons.
Instead, with FM on board (literally! ) and with the telly money, we can afford to retain - and recruit - top quality players
Players will only leave for football reasons: either they want to go because we aren't in the CL or because we want to change/ improve our squad.
The days of so-called "bigger" clubs bullying other clubs about transfers are over for the time being - that is until the telly money dries up!

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14 Mar 2016 16:48:35
Hi Ed what a fantastic weekend yet we are still going on about Bobby some posters are beyond me some of their comments are absolutely ridiculous we now have a new investor it looks as though the new stadium is high on the agenda money for new players and most of all Bill is back let's give that negative side a rest get behind the team and see where we finish thanks GuernseyBlue.

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{Ed025's Note - it was a great weekend GB, a fine performance a what a great brace by romelu!..some will point to the fact that it was a one off cup game and that it does not detract from our poor league campaign, for me the cup has highlighted how good a team and in fact squad we possess, and yes we should have done better in the premiership but im just enjoying the ride and looking forward to wembley and hopefully getting to the final, its a nice distraction and to see the old lady rocking like it did on saturday took me back to the mid eighties mate...im really proud of the team and supporters and prefer to look forwards rather than back and hope this is the start of something special..

14 Mar 2016 17:31:37
is that the fraud that signed us rom geri mori barry besic lennon cleverly and some excellent prospects for the future.

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14 Mar 2016 19:43:17
I doubt there are any Evertonians that don't want Martinez to succeed. We all do as it means Everton are successful. Ed has touched on something in his reply, our Cup runs have proved that we are a very good side on any day. But out league form is abysmal at times. Martinez has to shoulder the majority of the blame for that. I'm still hopeful that Martinez can get it right with this team/ squad we have and then who knows how far he can take us. The foundations are there to build upon, I just hope we can as we have failed at previous times. With Moshiri on board I think we will keep taking steps in the right direction and in 3-5 years we may be challenging for titles and not only 4th.

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14 Mar 2016 14:22:39
Well I am so pleased with the result yesterday, I am especially pleased for Martinez. Here is why.

1. He drops Stones, when he feels the young centre half is not prioritising defending he puts him on the bench. This takes courage and shows excellent man management to keep the lad content and hungry and what a find in F-M. Gives us the first gutsy EFC performance since 0-0 at City.

2. He maintains a positive approach. OK so this drives some fans and journalists to despair, however what he does not do is point fingers at players and drag everyone down. It is far easier to get angry, annoyed and hand out fines, punishments and laps than stick to your beliefs amongst adversity.

3. He wins the next two Wembley outings and we are in Europa League and have our first trophy in 20 years, judge him after that. It seems an easier (but still terribly difficult) task that with DM against Chelsea.

4. The obsession in the media that we are 'underperforming in the league', so what we are 5 places below 'where we should be'!, we have put together 2 excellent cup runs and if it isn't about striving for cup glory then what is it about, especially for clubs like ours. How much different do we get in terms of cash for 7th vs 12th.?

5. It seems that fans only wanted to see a strong and credible push for 4th spot, only that would avoid finger pointing and unrest. Even if we got it we couldn't guarantee RL/ JS would stay (see Suarez 2013) , and 4th spot still requires qualification as we know all too well.

6. We've got new investors, so let's have a bit of stability to go with that. Which manager do fans want? Mourinho, McClaren?, Allardyce,? Rodgers? . Moyes? Pearson? . Howe? Van Gaal, its no bed of roses out there so be careful what you wish for

Cheltonian Blue.

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14 Mar 2016 15:40:11
Clubs like ours?! I agree with some of what you are saying and don't get me wrong I'd love it if we won a cup, but the league should be the priority and clubs like ours with the squad we have should be challenging for top four, especially the way this season has gone with the so called big four's monopoly seemingly coming to an end. Cup runs do not paper over the cracks of what has been a massively under whelming season in the league. Don't get me wrong credit where it is due he actually got it right on Saturday but he has got it wrong far too many times.

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14 Mar 2016 16:02:28
Also Jak, some name that mate, where did that pop up from.

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14 Mar 2016 17:57:11
At last there are pro-RM fans actually giving reasons instead of sniping at those who aren't happy with his managerial skills, at least it is giving us something to debate between each other. As pleased as I am with the result and a trip to Wembley, let's not get ahead of ourselves before the draw is even made! I'll attempt to address your points
1) He kept JS in the limelight for far too long when it was obvious to us all that he needed time on the sideline. For me, that's not good man management, he was too stubborn to make changes until he was backed into the corner and had to make the change.
2) His positive attitude is a good attribute to have and makes the man quite likeable. However, his ability to answer a question without actually making sense is what some fans and journo's dislike. The man gives Brendan Rodgers a run for his money with the BS count in interviews. On the point of discipline, there will always be members of the squad who act up at times and need sorting out. I hope that he is dealing with such things behind closed doors and I'm also happy that these things aren't being leaked from the locker rooms.
3) We are through to a semi-final and, as great as that is, we haven't won anything yet. Let's see the draw before we get swept away! But credit where it is due, he's done well to get us through. But judging him after winning our first trophy in 21 years would be silly, he's won this cup before but got his team relegated in the same month. How do you think Wigan fans judged him? A trophy is a step in the right direction obviously but that doesn't make him the best in the business does it?
4) There is no obsession, we are simply under performing in the league. Are you happy being 12th? Again? 5 places is worth a couple of quid and is the difference between finishing in the top or bottom half of the league. The latter would mean two bottom half finishes in succession, that is not good enough for a club like ours. Nil satis nisi optimum is ingrained in the clubs DNA after all.
5) Of course we wanted to see a push for 4th spot, every fan of every team want to be a part of the champions league gravy train. The squad we have, on their day, is more than capable of doing so. Plus, with the way the league has gone this season, there hasn't been a better chance to break into that elite group. And we've blown it, big time. That brings finger pointing and unrest and rightly so, the buck stops with the manager imo.
6) The new investor will not want us to be mid-table also rans and, eventually, will bring stability throughout all facets of the club. He didn't make his money by being kind and polite, somewhere inside him will be a ruthless streak, he's no doubt got the minerals to make the tough calls. RM is auditioning for his job right now and has the rest of the season to prove he is the man to move us forward. In regards to who we would like as replacement, I'm not so sure to be honest, a lot would be down to who is available. I think the right man would need experience of Europe to take us to the next level. Time will tell I suppose.
My final thought is that two semi-finals, one possible final, is papering over the cracks. We are a good cup team, our style is well suited to knock out games, but the league is of far more importance. If we don't improve the league form, finish 10th or below and win the cup, that would not be good enough for me.

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14 Mar 2016 18:55:32
Good post that Jak, I agree with a lot mate, just wish we were consistent as its a roller coaster ride every Saturday, we just start to have faith in the guy then he kills that off with his decisions i.e. West Ham, its a hard one this and I wanted him out even if we won but yet again i'm swaying towards him, probably want him out again at the weekend.

I'm going with the flow and see what happens, one for sure though, Mr Moshiri won't be fooled and if RM isn't performing to his liking he will be gone, just look at the extra lengths/approach he went through when investing in us.

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Even though I may not have faith in RM, I have 100% faith in Mr Moshiri, we are about to embark on a new phase in our club.

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14 Mar 2016 18:49:33
Great response spudv

I agree with you on the point of this season being a watershed one.

When the players are almost too good for us to hold on to, there is a small window when the player quality is slightly greater than the current stature of the club or what the club can afford to pay them . This season is that window I agree, and the key thing is that the players will not have the patience that is required to stay and cement next year.

I've no doubt that if they all stayed, with the TV money and a bit from the new investors we could strengthen. Forget fan patience, we ain't going anywhere, its the players that will jump ship.

If RM can persuade the players - with all that optimistic, glinty eyed bravado - to stay, then we owe him at least another season. RM's greatest asset might be his ability to keep together this squad.

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{Ed025's Note - a couple of great posts there jak and spud, both with differing views but quality penmanship, its nice to see and very rare that people with a common goal can debate without getting tetchy or abusive, you do yourselves great credit and are an example to others...again well done..

14 Mar 2016 18:50:12
Love Everton, always will and I am more than happy and will look forward. Problem is because we reached wembley people starting to think rm has changed. The league is more important and always will be. It's papering over the cracks. He has proved he can win, so why has he chosen bad team management and tactics in league.
For me he needs a very strong finish and to win cup, then I think we see what happens afterwards.

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{Ed025's Note - i have said before pb that i will sit back and enjoy the rest of the season before calling for heads to roll, im just going to roll with it mate and look forward to wembley and hopefully a trophy..

14 Mar 2016 19:55:42
Cheers ed and jaka, it's good to see things from a different perspective without histrionics! We all wants best for the club at the end of the day.

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{Ed025's Note - thats right spud mate..

14 Mar 2016 14:14:36
Whenever we lose this site is filled with anger at Martinez.

Yes he isn't everyone's cup of tea, and most fans (myself included) question whether he should be around next season.

But we had a great win at the weekend, so let's give credit where it is due. Tactics were spot on in my opinion.

Focus on keeping it tight until the last 20 minutes and hit them when they start to tire - exactly how you should play against an ageing team.

Wind Costa up to nullify his threat - worked perfectly.

Subs were saved until late to no disrupt the flow of the team and chosen well to shut up shop and kill time - exactly what we were begging him to do against West Ham.

So considering he gets murdered on here whenever he does something wrong, let's give him some praise for getting it absolutely spot on on Saturday. Here's to the next game and hope we can build on it.

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14 Mar 2016 16:00:23
Well said ST, on Costa though why he acts the way he does is beyond me, if you watch his play he is class, if he concentrated on his football and stopped the messing about he would be unbelievable, no way is he under 45 years old though, must have had a terrible paper round.

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14 Mar 2016 13:35:09
i av got a feeling that rom will still be with us next season. look at it this way,chelsea won't be in champs lg next season and the club is in a right mess,manutd no champs lge next season and are a long way off winning the league any time soon and they are a mess sowhy would he want to go to any of them teams. but we have new investment,some fantastic young players,play great attacking football and with just a tweak with the defence part and we could be flying next season barca and real madrid have shown little intrest in wanting him and let's face it psg have shown intrest but the french lge is hardley any shakes. that just leaves munich but do they really need him as they have great attacking players allready.

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14 Mar 2016 11:53:12
Personally I think Rom will stay. I think he'll say he will give us one more season to get CL football and if we don't get it he will leave.

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14 Mar 2016 13:20:45
Me too Rob.

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14 Mar 2016 13:56:04
If he does decide to stay another year then it'll be because of who we sign as a show of ambition. For this reason we must be more ambitious in the summer. And early too. No need to scrimp with the last minute deals. Get them in and do it early and let's show some intent this summer.

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14 Mar 2016 14:10:01
Hope to god you's are both right. That'll be another season without CL for him and he would be taking a chance that we would qualify for it next year.

Please let me be wrong but I'd go 60 - 40 that he'll leave. With the leech in the background pushing him for a big day and a top European club in the CL next season along with a big pay rise, it would be hard for him to refuse.

I think its the leech that will be at the centre if anything happens.

Nothing make me happier than if he stays. He has some future ahead of him.

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14 Mar 2016 00:11:48
I was thinking the other day about if Rom leaves in the summer.

What would you guys be happy with? . So he cost us about 3mill for the 1 year loan plus say 40k per week= 3.48 mil

Then we spent around 28 mill on him which brings it to 31.48 million

Then say he was on 55k a week for 3 seasons = just under 2 mill

That brings the total cost until the end of the season to around 33.5 mill on him meaning that if we sold him for 45-50 mill we would only make around 10-15 mill

So if he was to go I think we should be looking for stupid amounts. Similar to the Suarez sum

Sorry for the boring post but I'm just curious to the general opinion on his valuation.

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{Ed002's Note - It really does not work like this. Try ignoring the money and think about whether Everton can fend of interest in him for at least another season.}

14 Mar 2016 08:30:27
We would be in the driving seat not only is the lad proven he is also still developing, I would want to keep him no doubt and if the investment can prove to him Everton's the place to be then maybe he would say, but he would now command a massive fee!

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14 Mar 2016 09:13:09
Still a bit stumped with why Rom would want to leave now we have the new investment. EFC could be the next club to be big in the PL. Its not like the fans don't love him and he IMO always looks like he is trying to contribute every match. If your happy and can see the club going places then why would you want to leave?

With our current squad having to have at least 4 or 5 new players next season due to some of the oldies moving on retiring etc If we get the quality brought into the team then we could be a real force next year. Especially if the so called big teams don't get into the champions league. I don't think he would go to Leicester Spurs West Ham and Arsenal would not want to spend the money he would cost so i'm just hoping both Manc teams have a poor end of season and neither get into the champs league then we are only looking at European teams trying to bid for him.

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14 Mar 2016 09:38:34
Rom's statement as follows:

Romelu Lukaku insists he is not thinking about leaving Everton in the summer and is concentrating on maintaining his best season so far.

This is from the horses mouth, does not sound like Rom stating he wants to leave.

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{Ed025's Note - i would love him to stay degs and really hope you are right mate, his agent has different ideas though so we will have to wait and see i suppose..

 
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