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14 Mar 2013 23:17:54
you know what! all this uncertainty at the club really does get me down! we all have a moan at certain things and certain people to do with our club!but you know what as a new game approaches the love of our club shines through all of them faults and as much as these things get me down the one thing that's certain is that I am everton till I die!we will pull through because we are everton!joe the blue kelly!
14 Mar 2013 21:20:35
Lots of calls for Barkley, McAleny, Vellios, Duffy etc to start vs Citeh.
Moyes will put the Wigan result down to a bad day though - and avoid wholesale changes.
Expect this team
Mucha
Coleman Heitinga Distin Baines
Mirallas Gibson Osman Pienaar
Fellaini
Anichebe
subs: Springthorpe, Duffy, Oviedo, Hitzlsperger, Neville, Barkley, Jelavic
and expect a defeat!
Really good to see some optimism! If you don't believe, how can you ever expect to achieve?
BitterBlue
We are at home against the champions, our last performance was not good enough, I expect our players to stand up show some pride in the shirt and give us the kind of performance that we the fans expect at Everton Football Club. NSNO COYB!
14 Mar 2013 21:13:25
Jelvic. A glass striker lol. I suggest. You wake up lol scored 1 goal in 15 matches how impressive. Get real lol
What on earth is a glass striker?
I think Jelavic has looked shattered a lot of the games lately. Lol
The problem he has is that defences can see straight through him. !
15 Mar 2013 14:01:47
he has pain in his knee
Must be why he's bottled it of late.
Maybe we'll sell him in the transfer window!
14 Mar 2013 19:54:46
From the players of the DM era, I'd have liked to see this side (when each player was in his prime).
1. Martyn
2. Hibbert
3. Baines
4. Carsley
5. Jagielka
6. Lescott
7. Arteta
8. Gravesen
9. Ferguson
10. Rooney
11. Pienaar
Where's the pace? Where's the width?
There's attacking pace in the team - Rooney, Baines - and the width is from this team playing with a very fluid "midfield" foursome with Carsley behind them and Ferguson in front of them. Out and out wingers are a thing of the past IMHO. Jagielka and Lescott provide pace in central defence. Baines gives width on the overlap. There's a goal threat throughout most of the team - especially from free kicks and corners - and there are leaders in this team who wouldn't tolerate others under-performing.
Any team from the Moyes era based on leaders like you say and missing Cahill is fundamentally flawed. Cahill in his prime would get in to almost any Everton team based on his winning attitude. His attitude rather than barking Neville is what we miss at times like this. Talents and skills can be replaced, the relentless drive to win a carry the team is irreplaceable.
Very good point about Cahill - I did think about him at 10 and Rooney at 9, but wanted Ferguson in the side. By the way, I wrote that this is a side I'd like to have seen - I didn't claim it would necessarily be the best. It's all hypothetical of course, which is why I've posted it as "banter".
14 Mar 2013 17:59:02
How about this people we sell fellaini for 20-23mil and heitinga 5m we bring in mcarthy from wigan leroy fer and lukaku. i'm also a fan of le fondre from reading. we also need a goalkeeper my choice would be begovic from stoke.
Howard/ Begovic
Coleman/Oviedo
Jagielka
Duffy
Baines
Pienaar
Gibson
Fer
McCarthy
mirrallas
lukaku
what you think ed? Andy {Ed025's Note - thatlooks a cracking side andy, but i have been told that lukaku is going back to chelsea, and is not for sale mate..
No Jelavic? Why because he's had a few mediocre games Thomas Paul
Why would Begovic join us if, as expected, a Champions League team came in for him?
Why would McCarthy leave Wigan for us if they qualify for Europe?
Why would Lukaku leave Chelsea for us? If he was loaned out again, wouldn't he do so with WestBrom for another year?
if Leroy Fer doesn't get the all-clear (to our satisfaction) on his knee, could we agree a fee payment schedule?
14 Mar 2013 10:26:13
Ed what do you think of this:
Fellaini SOLD Chelsea for £17.5m + K. De Bruyne.
Moyes signs 4 Year Deal.
We sign an Unheard Player for 2-3M.
Our Team for next season.
Manager: Moyes
Howard
Coleman
Jagielka
Distin
Baines
Mirallas
Gibson
Osman/Barkley
Pienaar
De Bruyne
Jelavic {Ed025's Note - good side dan, but i would like to see another couple of new faces in there mate..
Is that the extent of your ambition, signing an unheard of player for £2-3m? We need a complete overhaul of the squad, and with the sale of Fellaini and Sly money, we could have £45m ish to spend, though will more likely be nearer £20m. I think Martinez, ahem, Moyes, sorry, could do a lot with that
That's the same team as we have now bar one player. We need more than one new player.
We need a manager who's committed to the cause before we get any new players.
Even more than that, we need a board who can provide the funding for a modern stadium as well as transfers to improve and increase the squad. {Ed025's Note - good luck with that fred..
It'll take more than good luck, Ed025 - it'll take a bloody miracle!
Many media pundits are telling Everonians to "be careful what you wish for", but what I said we want is my wish list. If DM rediscovered his genuine long-term commitment to the club, and got the team playing good football again, and practised what he used to preach about young players getting a chance at Everton, then that would be a very good start.
14 Mar 2013 10:15:51
Ed, is Kevin Gramero going to be a fee agent this summer? Also are we still in for him? All it is Liverpooh are sniffing round him, we should go for this one, after the bad season we have had we need to give our heads a wobble and be SERIOUS contenders
Rich84 {Ed025's Note - he is contracted to PSG until 2015 rich...a lot of clubs are looking at him though mate..
14 Mar 2013 10:15:42
ive heard we are looking at Billy Davies if/when Moyes leaves, heard anything ed? PADDOCKBLUE {Ed025's Note - nothing on him paddo..
We best not be looking at him he's not good enough.
Ed, you said you haen't heard anything on Billy Davies, so my question is, who have you heard about, as your reply to Paddock suggests you may have heard something! Give us a clue
Thanks in advance. {Ed025's Note - sorry TT, i did not mean to suggest i knew of any other candidates mate..
Bloody hell! Billy Davies - if we're looking at him, then we really are in dead schtuck. That possibility is even worse than ending up with Mark Hughes or Sam Allardyce. How soon before Howard Kendall gets his fourth crack at managing us? {Ed025's Note - i agree fred...we might as well go for sven. :)
14 Mar 2013 14:17:52
I'm still of a mind that if DM wants to play this "wait and see where we are at the end of the season" game, then why can't players like Fellaini take the same attitude? Likewise, if DM wants to win a trophy - and has to go elsewhere to do that - then why can't players like Baines take the same attitude? Either way, all concerned should be giving of their best. Baines has done so all season; Fellaini has dropped his game recently - and shown a poor attitude; DM has obviously failed - based on results alone - since the New Year, despite some super football (but too many draws) earlier in the season. How can DM's stance not have affected the players - and him come to that?
It's clearly had a detrimental affect Jonesy. Well, clear to us supporters anyway. But Moyes is too stubborn or too stupid to acknowledge the negative affect it's created. I don't know what he said at half-time against Wigan but, whatever he said, the players were probably thinking 'you're off at the end of the season, what do you care, and why should we care'. Like I said, he's either too stubborn or too stupid to accept responsibility for the doubt and uncertainty he's caused. The buck stops with him and to say it was a bad day at the office is nonsensical. Only 2, maybe 3 players can emerge with any credit after that 'performance' and that's all down to him. If it was the opposite and only 2 or 3 had a bad game then he could, maybe, get away with such comments. He's trying to take us for fools and, ultimately, that may prove his undoing.
Why not play the same game with season tickets. We'll wait and see where the team finishes before we spend half a mortgage!
14 Mar 2013 13:20:36
Our form since xmas has been poor is it possible the 4 or 5 players who have been carrying us have got so fed up with team selection, no new faces, that they can't be bothered. and how it showed against Wigan. KK.
What about the Reading game? We were ok then. Or has this transformation happened in just one week. The performance against Wigan was woeful and embarrassing but a lot of blues are getting carried away. We are still a very good side and I'm expecting a reaction against City. We might not get any points but we will play much better than last week.
14 Mar 2013 12:59:24
Here's a thought, what if we sold felli an bains then paid off our 48mill debt! Then reduce the sale price from 125mil to 90 mil, surely then there would be interst in our beloved club? Seems to me we're effectively for sale at 125 mil witht debts of 48mil so totaling bout 173mil, add to that a new stadium and players no wonder there's no interest!
Because that would open the door for smaller investors who though might be able to buy the club, would still not have the clout to move it forward.
14 Mar 2013 12:19:34
just a thought if moyes likes his strikers to go wide and run round like a headless chicken then buy a young, pacey striker and not a box striker, someone in the mould of tevez would be ideal! if we had anyone decent to play RM then I would say mirallas would be the best option up top, and his cruncher on miyachi shows he can make a tackle when needed! oh and he did score 20 last season, in any league that's moderatly impressive efcag
If it was upto moyes then we wouldn't play with any strikers at all I think as they are an inconvenience, our davie loves hard work over anything else. We get excited by goals and skillful play he gets excited by clean sheets and good defensive play, no wonder he's been miserable this season with our lack of clean sheets and sometimes horrendous defensive play.
It IS up to Moyes and he chooses to play a striker, albeit one who's more often than not running the channels and back defending corners and set-pieces rather than making a nuisance of himself in and around the box
14 Mar 2013 12:01:10
come on guys and girls let's not get too carried away.
like all other blues I was gutted on saturday and even more so after I heard the draw. a trip to wembley and a probable final appearance was definitely on the cards if we couldve got past wigan.
I have sat in gladwys street for years and heard all the comments from the up and coming managers in the crowd.
I have also seen when DM has given some young players a go and they have shown they are not ready at that level eg berkely hasn't exactly set the first team on fire with his appearances so far in fact his last one prior to wigan he was pants.
I have also seen him change our formation to 442 at home and the midfield has been over run.
The point being he sees them everyday in training and the margins of winning and losing are so fine that he has to go with a formation and team that he thinks should win the game and let's face it that team saturday was well capable of doing that, sometimes you have to blame the players on the pitch. I understand the neville selection was wrong but that was only highlighted by so many others being off their game.
just be careful what you wish for calling for DM out we have had so many crap managers over the years it could set us back if we don't get it right ( remember mike walker ) we are in a much better place than we were 11 years ago
If DM goes he goes with my blessing but if he stays I am right behind him and our great club, let's be try and finish the season on a positive note and get behind the manager, the team and the club
COYB
blue60
14 Mar 2013 13:06:21
Spot on, mate - my thoughts exactly. I just wish though that we could get some sort of indication about what the near future holds for us. However, whatever it is, my heart & soul will still be with something that's a huge & important part of my life - EVERTON FOOTBALL CLUB.
Toffee Tezza
14 Mar 2013 14:35:19
I would like to see a couple of the u21s given a go, not just because there young but because some of our 1st team players should be dropped, it doesn't matter how bad you play at the moment ie neville osman, heitingas they still get picked, because we keep being told by moyes the squad is to small, then if the u21s are the only option play them and they probably couldn't do any worse, and its not just because of the wigan game we've struggled since southampton away. I don't mind a player having an off day but last week most looked like they didn't care and for that reason they should be dropped.
Ste c
To the 'be careful what you wish for brigade'. How many of us would 'wish' for this board, this brand of stale, boring, predictable 'football', (kick and run hoofball) year in year out for 11 seasons? Be careful what you wish for, my arse. The board and manager don't seem to give a toss.
Listen mate he's had 11 years to get players in who can play 442 he's a dinosaur simple as that.
So Moyes is a "dinosaur" for not playing the most archaic formation in football? How often do the likes of Mourinho, Guardiola and Klopp play 442? Football has moved on from it.
As for boring and predictable football for 11 years, who have you been watching? I've seen us play some brilliant stuff during those years. Being fickle really doesn't suit us Evertonians.
Yes, we have played some attractive stuff at times aintreeblue, but it's been in fits and starts, nothing continuous. He's had plenty of time to lay the foundations of an attractive style, just look at Swansea City as a prime example, but he hasn't done so. As it is, if plan A, playing through Baines and Pienaar, doesn't work then plan B is hoof it to Fellaini and try to get the knock downs. Hardly entertaining, inspiring stuff
He's had 11 yrs to buy in and develop players who fit in and play an attractive, attacking style. Yet he's always stuck with the boring 4-5-1, or archaic 4-4-2 when we're chasing a game. More often than not playing with slow, immobile CM's with no creativity. I remember the dark days under Mike Walker and Walter Mitty and some of Moyes' football has been just as bad. Look at Brenda over the road he's had 8/9 months and already the RS are reaping the benefits with good, attacking, attractive football. Ok he's had a few bob to spend but so has Moyes over 11 yrs yet he won't change his principles.
14 Mar 2013 11:35:52
Does it not figure to anyone that the clubs debt is included in the 125 million asking price therefore making us worth circa 65 million?
Blue Bones
14 Mar 2013 10:35:49
With so many people wanting us to play younger players would it b worth looking at paul lambert from villa. they may not b havin the best of seasons but he's giving the younger players a go and looks like they could have a decent side in a few yrs. also I would say our youngsters r beta than there's so maybe worth a shot, just my opinion tho, any thoughts.
14 Mar 2013 09:33:23
Moyes is looking haunted. I think he is frustrated with the lack of backing. I don't think he wants to leave but can you blame him. It will be interesting how well he will do at a richer club.
Moyes is a great manager, but the last 2 months the frustration and lack of help has finally caught up. his single handle approach is making him make decisions now that the fans deem to be direspectful ie his contract, simple fact he like most fans has lost faith and more importantly respect in kenwright and board, so the chaos and negativity that has engulfed the club is now there for everyone to c. remember we are in the hunt for Europe, so why now,. board r an absolute waste
Moyes is damaged goods, not one of the big boys will touch him, unfortuatly, I think this means he will sign for us, but not out of loyalty and commitment, but for him, this is as good as it gets, 4m a year, total control, and a four year contract, which means, in our circumstances, will will not be able to affored to sack him.
DM's next club?
CFC:No real dazzled the hell out of anyone European experience____so no chance.
MUFC:Same again with the European thing plus the mancs (fans )would want a much higher profile manager____Again no chance.
AFC: Flippin eck after Wenger the gooners would need, yep need a bloody proven trophy winner____Yep it's ditto.
MCFC: I may as well copy and paste MUFC's reasons______So definitely nope.
THFC: No vacancy apparent_____ need not apply.
This leaves our Mr Moyes with another also ran PL club or Foreign shores, Germany? who knows, however would Bayern or Dortmand regard him as an innovative charismatic master tactician?
Lets be honest here DM has ridden his luck at times and perhaps if BK was more of an Alan Sugar type of Chairman we could quite easily be on our 2nd or even 3rd manager since WS.
The big picture as I see it for us is, if the sell by date is up for EFC with DM
then the same and a whole lot more could be said about DM, BK et al from the Evertonians.
FFS give us some hope for the future!
Blue247
How about Sunderland or Stoke both clubs are going to sack their managers at the end of the season and let's face it both clubs are just his level.
I unfortunately spend a lot of time in Manchester and Moyes is the man the United supporters want. Quite a few say Mourinho but Moyes is definately their favourite.
I work in stockport and every utd fan I meet would love jose to be there after saf, moyes is well down the preferred list of candidates, in fact they seem to think if anything he'd be a good stop gap and lamb to the slaughter before they get a real 'a' lister to come in and take over with confidence.
Rupert Towers Esq.