Everton Banter Archive August 14 2016

14 Aug 2016 20:55:59
If we are willing to bid that sort of money for kalanic when he's crap, why would we not bid that sort of money for slimani? I just don't get what's going on at everton atm with these apparent bids. it doesn't make any sense.

14 Aug 2016 21:23:07
Has anyone at Everton confirmed we have bid, no
Did anyone confirm we bid for Witsel, no

Agents pushing prices up, leave the bidding to Ron snd Steve as they know what they are doing.

14 Aug 2016 21:53:04
There's one big word in this. APPARENT. Even if we are, although I'd be sceptical, I trust rk and Walsh.

14 Aug 2016 22:30:21
I agree and it's definitely going to be a busy week for transfers and I for one can't wait.

15 Aug 2016 01:27:32
I noticed slimani want in squad today. transfer looking maybe?

15 Aug 2016 08:32:18
Does anyone really think we would bid that sort of money on a 'crap' player, he would have been looked at and scouted long before a decision is made.

15 Aug 2016 09:15:13
I've seen him play, many times. He's nothing short of awful. He doesn't even have a good scoring record at club level. International not so bad but if I had modric, rakitic and perisic putting crosses on my head or foot then I'd score a fair few.

14 Aug 2016 18:58:52
Mane what a player really impressed by him looks quality have to say, shame he is with the Reds but what a player they have there they are looking very good going forward but a hint of Martinez in there defence which will only lead to disaster cause you can't score 4 every game but a great result for them either way.

14 Aug 2016 20:36:39
One good game doth not make a legend

Consistency is all.

Good player though on his day, let's hope he doesn't have too many :)

Could he be the 'missing piece' they've been looking for?

Doubt it, but we'll see.

14 Aug 2016 22:32:18
Come on now Blue credit when it's due he is a good player mate.

14 Aug 2016 23:26:19
I live and work in Southampton. The Saints fans were in disbelief about the money they got for him. First touch is poor, but he is so quick he gets the second one in. Also most have commented that he plays well for a bit then goes missing for 4-5 games.

14 Aug 2016 14:51:54
Eds:
Maybe one of you knows the definitive answer to the following:.
At the end of the transfer window, the club has to register a maximum of 25 (up to 17 non-homegrown) aged-over-21 players that are eligible for Premier League matches. We have 3 aged-over-21 players (Garbutt, McAleny and Rodriguez) without squad numbers that have been playing for our U23 side. My question is: if those 3 aren't registered in the 25-man PL squad, can they still play in the U23 side?

{Ed002's Note - Yes.}

14 Aug 2016 15:12:59
Ed002: thanks for that info.
For me, it's now a question of whether the club not only wants to keep these 3 players at all (rather than just transferring them out permanently) , but also (if the club does keep them under contract this season) whether their development continues on loan elsewhere or in the U23s. The other 2 aged-over-21 players without squad numbers - McGeady and Niasse - do seem destined for transfers (loan or permanent) out of the club.

{Ed002's Note - Sid - I think you have nailed it there but give a thought to the players and whether or not they would be willing to wait around until next season and take their chances or whether they might think that it is the time to further their career elsewhere.}

14 Aug 2016 14:18:19
The more I watch of this rachid ghezzal lad the more I want him at our club. Come on blues get it done, he's being made to train with Lyon's reserves now with less than a year remaining on his contract with a few other clubs sniffing round. Get it done before there's a bidding war and more attractive options than us.

14 Aug 2016 13:02:36
Oooops did i send by accident there? If i did, i was saying it was just an exercise in time wasting for all concerned, pointless!

{Ed002's Note - Actually not - you don't understand the situation.}

14 Aug 2016 12:17:49
Please don't waste money on Hart. His wages are going to be sky high as well. If Pep rates him second best to Caballero it says it all. If not going to sign a top GK then keep Stekelenburg as number 1 don't waste it on someone who thinks he's better than he is,

14 Aug 2016 12:37:47
I don't want Hart and I'm delighted how Stekelenburg is doing so far but can we fully rely on Stekelenburg? I would be delighted if he continues to improve but I still have my doubts.

This is why, wasn't he second choice at Fulham? At the age of what 32 or something like that. Still has 5 years as a keeper. But my real point is how often is a gem found at that age as a squad player in the championship? Almost never, if not never. How could he go unnoticed all that time? I know he was decent before but I'm talking about the standard of a keeper we are looking for now.

I love finding a hidden gem as much as anyone. Walsh done it at Leicester and Vardy is an example of a player developing to his potential rapidly late in his career. If that happens with Stekelenburg I'll be as happy as anyone. Just not convinced of it yet. Average won't cut it.

He has been a good signing regardless. A good squad player at worst from what I've seen so far but long term solution to our goalkeeper problem I'm not convinced just yet.

If it turns out that way Walsh and Koeman are bigger geniuses than I thought!

14 Aug 2016 12:41:02
What does it say about Del Boy if he cannot get on the Barcelona bench and has not one but a good half dozen players in front of him. He's done alright for Everton

Before Moshiris money we could only dream of getting Joe Hart, say what you like about Hart he is still a top class keeper and will add competition.

{Ed002's Note - What money is that. The money for transfers comes from sales and from club income. This has been explained over and over to you.}

14 Aug 2016 12:45:44
Pep likes to have sweeper keepers and Hart is obviously not in that bracket. This will bite City in the arse at some point as that type of keeper isn't really suited to our league, it's ok in Spain or Germany where they get more time but our game is 100mph in comparison.
I know a lot of blues don't fancy Hart as our number one but he is definitely better than what we already have and the fans number one choice, from what I've read on here, Butland will not be leaving Stoke so who else is out there?
MS had a good game yesterday for us but I'm not convinced he is the answer. I'm basing that on his performances for other teams in the prem over the last few years. His name has never really been mentioned as a keeper to replace Howard before he joined and he was brought in as back up in the first place. Joel is not good enough imo.
Maybe a change of club would do Hart the world of good? He has experience at the highest level, international and european, and I don't think he is as bad as some fans make out. I agree he makes a few mistakes but every keeper is prone to that. As I said a few days back, he looks decent when Kompany is ahead of him but not so much with the likes of Demichels or Malanga. With the likes of Williams and Jags in front of him he might be a gamble worth taking, especially since there is a dearth of talented keepers actually available.

14 Aug 2016 12:48:41
Spikes, does that mean sell Lukaku because he thinks he is better than he is. I got slated when I said Barry will be a great signing, giving experience and helping the youngsters.

If you want to challenge for the top, you need strength in debt, Hart will add that.

I do agree steak looks good in goal, only takes an injury and suddenly one of the most important areas is weakened.

Howard and Robles only needed a dip in form or injury and it's hard to cover, it's easier to cover outfield ares by slotting players in a different position, but you have to have backup in goal or you're stuffed.

I give you Neville Southall as a yardstick how important a goalkeeper is.

So for me I would take Joe Hart all day long.

14 Aug 2016 13:16:17
Money also comes from wages Ed regardless of transfers, before Moshi came, we would not be in the position to offer wages around the wages we are looking to pay to keep Lukaku or top players. Signing.

Money talks with players, and there was no way Bill would have paid the wage we are now offering Lukaku., not because he did not want to, but because he could not.

Regardless of Money, we now have the money to say no unless we get top dollar and we now sell when we want to and not have to.

{Ed002's Note - No money comes from wages - the club spends money on wages. You really don't seem to understand how this works at all - and what Mosiri money are you talking about?}

14 Aug 2016 13:44:57
Ok will leave Moshi out of this, the guy is not at Everton From income coming in and players sold we would then offer Lukaku the amount of wages we are offering now to keep hold of him, not a chance Bill would have sold Lukaku.

The only reason we did not sell Stones last season is as we all know Martinez was one stubbern manager, it is one of the few good things for Everton he did.

We can now offer top wages for top players, new ground to come, but I guess all this would have been done by our board before the Moshi era, hang on tattoo and fantasy island spring to mind.

14 Aug 2016 13:44:57
Ok will leave Moshi out of this, the guy is not at Everton From income coming in and players sold we would then offer Lukaku the amount of wages we are offering now to keep hold of him, not a chance Bill would have sold Lukaku.

The only reason we did not sell Stones last season is as we all know Martinez was one stubbern manager, it is one of the few good things for Everton he did.

We can now offer top wages for top players, new ground to come, but I guess all this would have been done by our board before the Moshi era, hang on tattoo and fantasy island spring to mind.

14 Aug 2016 11:07:22
Majorly lacking up top. Need a striker asap.

14 Aug 2016 11:28:19
Need two or maybe three strikers if Lukaku goes and it looks as though he is off.

14 Aug 2016 09:18:55
There is so much I want to writr, but it would take far too long. A few points though are:
The manager has obviously decided that we will press much higher and Gueye fits well into the strategy. The keeper looks excellent and I would say Hart would be a bad signing re cost and do we actually need him. We still have Williams to come in. Lukaku is still with us and only a coupleof weeks to the end of the transfer window. But now a couple of warning bells that still resonate in my mind. We did not "batter" Spurs. we held them at home. We had one off performances like that under Martinez. and one game is just that. one game. let's see if these lovely improvements continue. I certainly hope so. I still worry about goals. Aside from Barkley's goal and a chance for DelBoy, there appeared to beno other goal chances. I still worry that we are dreadfully short of attacking midfielders with a goal within them. although at least Koeman has beenpicking Mirallas who obviously does have a goal withing him. just not of late. If we sign a couplemore players, I would say I might just have to concede on my previous posts and eat all that lovely humble pie!

14 Aug 2016 09:44:01
Good post Degsy, we were never going to batter them though. It was a good performance against a team who was full strength and came close to winning the league last year. We were trying a new system without Williams, Coleman, lukaku so if yesterday is anything to by with a few new signings i am really positive for the rest of the season.

14 Aug 2016 09:56:54
Firstly how can you say it was a "one off"? It was the first game of the new season under the new manager.
Secondly at no time will we ever be battering the top 5 teams, under RM Spurs would of battered us yesterday.
We played with no striker yesterday and had Williams on the bench yet we still managed a draw. I think with him playing Lumaba would never of got his header in and scored.
Koeman has stated they are only 70% to what fitness levels he wants and we will have 3 or 4 signings before the window closes.
Yesterday showed massive improvements in defense and those improvements will only continue.
We certainly deserved the draw if not the win.

14 Aug 2016 09:59:57
Degsy you as we all know martinez left us in a mess just how much has finally come out in the comments of RK so do us a favour stop being a eternal pessimist and give the man a chance to get his players and his style of play over to them let's see your posts come xmas time I for one have a great feeling about this guy honest forthright and ruthless and won't have excuses for poor performances i'm 60 years old and have seen the best and worst in my life time but I have this gut feeling that this man is the one we have longed for in many a year just let's give him time and our backing and all will come to fruition coyb sorry if I upset anyone with my response.

14 Aug 2016 10:14:08
It was a huge mistake appointing Martinez and especially on the reasons given by Bill but the past is the past. I agree with Mossley, this fella is the real deal, no waffle or rambling comments on games that only Martinez appeared to have watched and 30 odd thousand didn't. With Moshri and his team in place (and he is still formulating) we will progress, slowly at first but forward never the less.

14 Aug 2016 10:45:10
Are you the same people who prased Martinez when we finished 4th. But yes it does look like he left us in a mess.

14 Aug 2016 11:00:06
Never finished 4th under Martinez it was 5th.

14 Aug 2016 11:17:56
Degsy you kind of contradict yourself in that post mate. You tell us it's only one game yet you don't believe we need a new keeper because MS had a good game. But, by your reckoning, it was only one game.
We looked a lot better in the first half than we have for a long time, as you say we can see what RK has worked on with the players, pressing etc. The performance was more important than the result but it was always going to be a bit of a test as Spurs had a great season last time out and have a talented and organised side. For me, yesterday showed that we will move in the right direction under RK.
There were a few more chances than you remember mate, GD had at least 3 opportunities. It's also quite telling that without a recognised striker on the pitch to start, RK does not trust Kone as his back up forward. We should expect at least one to be bought before deadline day, possibly 2 if Rom is really on his way. Bolasie is also on his way for a medical right now so things are still being done behind the scenes. Let's see where we are after a few games rather than judge on the first, especially since our manager has said they are not as fit as he'd like.

14 Aug 2016 01:49:02
I cannot believe how fast Geuye could backtrack, intercept or steal the ball, turn and counter.

Wow, I now what have we been missing the last 4 years!