Everton Banter Archive May 13 2016

13 May 2016 22:15:26
Ed since Frank de Boer been linked with us all the reports say that his team's play same as bobby is that right if so think if it didn't work with Bobby doubt it work with de Boer what u think.

14 May 2016 13:00:10
Dont know about that duke ajax only conceded 21 goals all last season a stark diffrence to are 55 but have heard he can be quite stubborn and set in his ways also defently doesn't like to lose and make no excuses 4 his team when the do lose.

13 May 2016 20:42:11
A lot of names have been mentioned as to the new manager, i was just wondering on the feelings of fans if Howe or Dyche were in the frame would we be better off giving Unsworth, Royal, Ebbrell and Ferguson a shot. Surely they know the club and supporters better than anyone?

13 May 2016 20:28:32
I wasn't sure about De Boer at first but I'm slowly coming round to the idea. If he brings all his coaching staff and maybe a couple of good players from Ajax for starters I would be quietly happy. All the best Roberto, maybe the Celtic job where he doesn't have too worry about defence would be perfect for him.

13 May 2016 20:41:56
He won't be bringing his staff apparently.

13 May 2016 20:52:49
yea his brother was on talk sport this morning saying bergkamp is staying with the Ajax set up, don't know about the rest though mate.

13 May 2016 20:53:37
I didn't know that coyb. Do you think De Boer would be a good choice?

14 May 2016 08:11:07
I think he probably would but less so without Bergkamp and Stam. Ajax's record over the last 2 seasons is a concern, but their finances dictate that they sell their best players every year and since he joined that amounts to almost a full world-class team having left. Under the circumstances, he's done a great job and he's good at developing young players, which should be high on our priority list. He's a good tactician, mixes an attacking philosophy with the discipline and organisation needed to make it work. He encourages his players to press the opposition, which we need to get back to. He's worked with and learned from some of the best ever. He's got history with Barcelona and maybe we could exploit that to bring in a couple of prospects on loan? Cruyff rated him, which says a lot. My shout, though, as it was even when Moyes left, is Lucien Favre. He would transform us. A less popular option, Jocelyn Gourvennec, will be a superstar once he's given a chance at a big club. I think we could get either of them and personally I rate both more highly than FDB, but I doubt we have the imagination as a club or a fanbase to go with either of them because we want a big name who's won something rather than a guy with the right skills to take us forward.

13 May 2016 20:07:57
. it strikes me there's an increasing amount of fans who now want Mourinhio in. so here's an idea - why not sing out loud his name during the match this weekend. Mr Moshiri and co. Will be there - let them know who we want and the fact it's time to aim big and reach for the skies. they've listened thus far in regard to removing Bobby. so let's tell them who we want to help us fill the trophy cabinets back up at Evetyon football club once more!

13 May 2016 20:23:52
Moshri is friends with mourinho so I think a conversation would of been had whether it was just a friendly chat or an offer is yet to be seen.

13 May 2016 16:11:58
Hi ed who is the most likely to take Roberts position? I wouldn't mind a manager who plans for winning now like Jose or pellergrini who do t focus to much on youth and just want the results for the time they are here and then in two years if we are back in the top 5 get a manager who's regarded a excellent manager who needs that next step up and has a 5 year plan and can plan to use the youth set up. Because if we get a manager who wants to throw loads of th youth lads in it could go all wrong we just need someone to steady the ship next year and then build on it and get goodison rocking again.

{Ed001's Note - I don't know most likely. I do know De Boer wants the job and believes he can get it.}

13 May 2016 18:29:03
Koeman is a man of his word he will sign a new deal at southampton . Y would all the players sign long term deals if the manager was off.

13 May 2016 18:48:59
He ain't coming mate is he, may as well forget that one.

13 May 2016 13:32:47
I was loking at a page showing the tactical plays of Frank De Boer, he likes to play attacking football building slowly from the back then wingers putting in crosses. Ajax where perceived to be very poor at defending and had a poor record in Europe except for one game when they beat Barcalone 2-1, but lost over two legs.
He sounds to me a a bit of a Martinez clone I hope we do not get him.

13 May 2016 18:07:47
I know what you mean, but for me it's either him Jose or koeman

Just have a feeling de boer will be good. He needs time but I bet us fans expect the league in his first season.

13 May 2016 18:22:53
He has the best defense in the dutch league in all but one of his seasons there and was known to be defensive minded. His style is similar to Van Gaal.

13 May 2016 20:40:32
The biggest difference between them is DeBoar likes to press when his team don't have the ball. He calls it the 3 second rule, if you lose the ball then you have to win it back within 3 seconds. Will make a big change from sitting back and letting teams play around us.

13 May 2016 15:32:39
So the plot thickens. koeman has announced he's staying Southampton. on the flip side Hughes announced he's staying at stoke. my money is on deboer.

13 May 2016 15:47:48
They are contracted to their clubs they are not going to say they are interested or leaving!
How often is a denial nothing more than a smokescreen?

13 May 2016 15:51:55
Knowing us it will be someone that hasn't even been mentioned.

13 May 2016 16:06:10
spot on wakka that was not "i am staying so that's that" there was definitely a BUT in there he never said it but there was one.

13 May 2016 17:52:27
Just paraphrasing their quotes chapa. maybe inaccurately. was meant to prompt a little intrigue. that's all.

13 May 2016 14:44:04
In his press conference Koeman say's he's staying at Southampton. I knew I shouldn't have listened to rumours, from NSNO website or anywhere else. Lesson learned there.

That's one of my hopefuls out the window.
Has Mr Moshiri got a pleasant surprise for us all, I wonder.

13 May 2016 16:09:57
hang fire frank this one still has legs trust me.

13 May 2016 16:22:19
Until there's an official approach it's almost impossible to see either way.

13 May 2016 16:25:00
It could all hinge on the 'sitting down to have talks with the club (Saints) about the future'

Which RK mentioned too, here he would have a well publicised 'war chest' there who knows .

13 May 2016 16:59:11
koeman is still a goer his press conference was not very convincing. compare it to sparkys conference and he convinced me more that he wanted to stay there than koemons did.

13 May 2016 18:39:14
Koeman will stay at saints, he will sign s new deal . All his players are signing new deals . They wouldn't do it he wasn't going to be there.

13 May 2016 20:33:54
players sighning new deals has got nothing to do with it "why would it" all they are doing is making sure they are financialy secure and they like were they are and they are settled sighning new deals means if it all goes tits up they will be paid out.

13 May 2016 13:03:17
I know we are all keen on Koeman as manager but he's just tied down 2 players in Forster and Ward-prowse surely they might have signed knowing he's still going to be there next season? I think we are all going to have ideas on who we want the manager to be and of course the board can't please us all but I just want the new guy in asap to get enough time over the summer to sort out playing staff out and put forward to our players what he demands and whoever it is I will support them on the opening day of the season as the new era starts here.

13 May 2016 14:04:04
Just got to be careful because a lot of our players will be away (euros, friendlies, etc) so the boss may not have chance to speak to them pre- summer. going to be extremely interesting between now and the door shutting on transfer window at end of August.

13 May 2016 10:44:29
It is great news that Martinez is gone. Now the most important question is whoever manages us must bring stability back to our great club. If that means players want to leave, then leave. Also what players do you guys believe Koeman or de boer can bring with them. Or even a Mourinho. This decision will the biggest decision we will ever make and we must get it right.!

13 May 2016 09:16:21
All this talk of Koeman for the post just stinks of a lack of ambition. There is only one man for the job that the club should hound if theyvwant to win the league and that is Mourinho. He (the special one) will be the only one to hold on to our star players next season. He also is the best candidate who could attract the really good players that could bring back the league title to the grand old team. One has only to look at Leicester how vital it is to appoint the right manager. Board don't screw this one up. Mourinho would definitely not be a screw up. WHAT DO YOU EDS THINK.

{Ed002's Note - I don't think Mr Mourinho will be managing Everton I am afraid.}

13 May 2016 09:49:31
Mourinho is my first choice too.
But if not I'd love Koeman here.
I don't think it stinks of lack of ambition at all. To become a billionaire you surely have to be a shrewd operator.
Personally I think Koeman has the makings of a great Manager.

When you have to sell 9 of what is basically your first team and then still finish 7th is nothing short of a football miracle.
How many Managers would have used that as an excuse to become relegation cannon fodder.
This tells me all I need to know about Koeman, he has the makings of a winner written all over him, and I mean PL winner. You can also sense it in his post match interviews. If they play rubbish he say's so, but even when they win against the so called big clubs he just say's we played ok, he's never really happy.

Yes Mourinho first, but if he thinks he's too good for us then f--k him, get someone who will appreciate us and move us forward. I can't help but think that Koeman will be a PL winner one day, I hope it's with us.

13 May 2016 10:11:10
Keep dreaming EmeraldB, no chance mate.

13 May 2016 10:27:21
Franktheblue

Top post mate, word for word spot on!

13 May 2016 10:53:02
Our two most successful managers were Harry Catterick and Howard Kendall.
They were both former Everton players, so had an idea of what the club was about - what, to use modern parlance, was in the club's DNA.
Harry did well at his previous managerial job (Sheffield Wednesday) , but hadn't won a trophy there.
Howard hadn't managed in the top division before managing Everton, but had learnt his trade well.
However, although trophy less, both Harry and Howard had shown enough to impress the Everton board who thankfully saw enough to bring them in. Harry won us trophies, as did Howard of course.
My point is that fans wanting a "winner" to replace RM is understandable - and may even be vital for our club - but in the past it's the manager's ability to handle a club like Everton that's proved important rather than what he's won in previous jobs.
I, for one, am unsure which of the names being touted has that quality, but it's exciting to think what the right man could achieve.

{Ed023's Note - Does Alan Stubbs fit your idea of the new manager?}

13 May 2016 11:38:34
Alan Stubbs wouldn't be my first choice, but who's to say he wouldn't turn out to be a s winner like Catterick or Kendall? I thought Roberto Martinez was "the right one, the bright one" so that shows how little I know!
Many fans were upset when Catterick replaced the popular Johnny Carey and others even more angry when Catterick dropped the Golden Vision (Alex Young) from the first team.
Many fans protested against Kendall and issued leaflets (and painted slogans) demanding his sacking.
In both cases, Catterick and Kendall went on to win trophies at Everton.
So many things have to fall into place for a club, a set of players, a manager to be successful. It takes talent, intelligence, hard work and a large dollop of luck to be successful in football and, even with plenty of all of those, there's still no guarantee that success will arrive.
So, as I said, who can be sure which manager is most likely to bring success?
One thing's for sure: whoever it is as manager, there'll be some fans who won't want him and they will be complaining from day one and at every opportunity afterwards.

13 May 2016 11:58:43
Sid, I agree with your post for the most part.
The reason I'm hopeful is because of Moshiri. You don't get what he's got without drive and determination.
The one thing we have now is hope, I'd have given anything for this recently.

13 May 2016 15:03:27
I don't think Jose would agree to be the Everton manager, but untill he actually says no, then why not? Yes the rumours about him replacing LVG are most probably true, but untill he is at Old Trafford posing with a scarf then technically he is available, we are in danger of being g left behind at present, West Ham United are moving to a 50k seat arena, spurs are building one, LFC have a great manager and in the process of making their stadium bigger, Leicester have just won the league, and Soton look to be building a decent, compete time side, Everton on the other hand, are currently without a manager, star players supposedly looking to leave, no movement on a new stadium, making Jose an offer he can't refuse would raise our profile considerably, be more likely to make our star players hang about, and no doubt attract a higher standard of player, he has won trophies at every team he has taken over, we NEED his type of arrogant winners mentality at everton .

13 May 2016 09:46:41
It is extremely unlikely that mourinho will be Everton manager, but not impossible.

13 May 2016 18:09:26
Unlikely, but not impossible, Koeman has done well at Soton, but in my opinion he has got a better "team" there than we have at everton and has got 62 points in his 1 season, and between 63 this season with a game remaining, which is good, but I honestly do think he will take us any further than that, yes every manager you hire is a gamble, and if he were to come to us and prove me wrong I would be made up and fully prepared to eat humble pie, but untill Jose has either ruled himself out or is unveiled at another club then I think we should be pursuing like our lives depend on it, we don't get him then at least we tried .

13 May 2016 08:47:02
BTW happy birthday to big rom, apparently 23.wish I scored as often when I was 23.hahaha.
hope he stays another season but if not we should get top dollar for him and revitalise the squad.

13 May 2016 09:15:51
Happy birthday Rom, good luck whatever you decide.

13 May 2016 08:14:05
How's about we veer away from the whole manager debate for a while, eh?

Who, if anyone, would you take from the relegated clubs? Mitrovic? Wijnaldum? Redmond? NAISMITH?!

Who would you get rid of from the club? No Kenwright/ Elstone/ Woods shouts.

13 May 2016 08:32:19
Wouldn't say no to Redmond.

13 May 2016 09:45:05
I think we will probably be looking to replace at least: Howard, Hibert, Gibson, Peanuts, McGeady, Osman, Kone

Townsend, Redmond, Lascelles and Winjnaldum have got to be worth a look. If the price is right and wages not too high they would make pretty good additions to the squad.

13 May 2016 07:19:37
That's it now, yes the guy had dignity but also a massive ego and his obstinacy sucked the life out of the Squad. Majority of experts from pundits, ex Pro's, experienced Evertonians
and my personal experience with mates of mine from Wigan, all of them said the same thing 'No Plan B' a simple statement but as it turned out with massive consequences. Now then onwards and hopefully upwards, let's not rush into anything and make sure as near as dammit we can get the one Manager/ Coach that really gets this Great Club. My list would be, Pellegrini (a gentleman (and we all know Bill loves a gentleman) but with a bit of steel and commands respect) , RDB, Benitez and last Koeman. Mourino is a no go.

13 May 2016 07:05:19
De Boer was my pick from a few months back, but now I'm having doubts. Mourinho is always THE pick, but I'd take Koeman to be honest, and wouldn't be overly upset if we got Pellegrini.

{Ed025's Note - get off that fence tommy..you dont want splinters in your arse mate .. :)

13 May 2016 08:45:57
I think after Roberto I'd take any half decent manager. If you twisted my arm I'd pick Mourinho every time.

Getting him would make a statement of intent, and tell everyone that we're here to win things, not just to take part. In addition, for me, a high profile manager is the only way to possibly keep Lukaku and Stones, and to attract top quality players to the club. And who in the world is higher profile than "The Special One? "

I understand that he has flaws, and if it doesn't work out it could prove a very costly mistake. But for me Jose is a proven winner, and after all these years I just want some glory, to win SOMETHING (I barely remember 1995 as I was quite young) .

Mourinho as manager, keep our best players and make a few top signings, and I can dream of us winning the title. Let's be honest lads, surely that is what every team should aspire to. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.

13 May 2016 06:52:08
Am I the only one who doesn't get the whole Koeman thing?

{Ed025's Note - who would you like pedro?..

13 May 2016 07:06:53
Probably Pedro.

{Ed025's Note - love it degs..

13 May 2016 07:24:51
Bit harsh not getting the koeman thing but I think I get the gist. As someone else said Koeman/ Moyes is the same thing, both defenders/ DM's, both good organisers, both regularly finish top 8 but no further. Pellegrini, won our League, RDB won admittedly a two horse race league, Benitez been there done it but the Liverpool connection would make it difficult, imagine playing them with him in charge, I for one would be looking at him slant eyed.

{Ed025's Note - your very cynical mate.. :)

13 May 2016 08:22:28
Koeman prem league proven, built another great team after his last one was pillaged by the Koppites, has a better record at the Saints than Pochetino, won virtually everything, set piece legend, playing legend, with plenty of money would attract big names

Moyes won nothing

Pellegrini - i'm torn on this as me mam would win the prem with those players

De Boer - bit of a gamble and as long as his backroom staff come would be a good thing

Mourinho - no chance, rumours only surfacing which are probably spread by his agent to rush things along at Utd, no way is he coming here

Koeman for me Blues all day long,

13 May 2016 08:47:33
You made me laugh with your first comment on this thread Murf1000.

13 May 2016 09:18:24
Cheers NBTB, I aim to please.

13 May 2016 09:20:48
Haha, it seems that way Murf! Maybe I don't know enough about him to get why he's most people's favourite.

I think it's a gamble whoever we end up with. There's pros and cons to each candidate I suppose. At the moment I'm leaning toward either Pellegrini or De Boer. I know de Boer is unproven etc, but he seems like he has a winning mentality to me and there's also the lure of his back room staff. Imagine what Stam could do with Stones and Mori? And also Bergkamp with Barkley?

I don't think Jose Mourinho would be a good move for Everton. His personality doesn't fit the club and as much as I have no doubt that he would win things here, his style of football is not exactly a joy to watch.

For the pure romance of it and nothing else, it would be nice if Unsworth/ Ferguson/ Sheedy/ Royle/ Stubbs took over and won things.

{Ed002's Note - Regardless of what happens you can completely discount Bergkamp being involved.}

13 May 2016 09:28:46
Id steer clear Pedro if as Ed stated Bergkamp wasnt coming mate as this is one of the big draws for me with BeBoer.

13 May 2016 10:01:21
My post should have read 'wouldn't be a good move for Everton' regarding Mourinho

Why would Bergkamp not be part of things if FdB came?

{Ed002's Note - Bergkamp is working elsewhere and has no interest in moving at this time.}

13 May 2016 05:41:51
My personal opinion would be to get a manager in soon as possible with the ba kroon staff, unsy and sheedy have to stay and move dunc to unsy as well.

New manager needs to be done soon as to speak to certain players and show we have aspirations of forgetting these last two season. Show them we are spending and wanting to win.

Jose, de boer, koeman. These are my 3 and for some reason I want de boer.

I seriously can't wait for the transfer window to open.

Moshiri let's see what your made off.

{Ed025's Note - its important to get the right manager pb so putting a time scale on it would hinder things, of course it would be nice if it was immediate but lets get the right guy..

13 May 2016 07:02:48
''but let's get the right guy. ''

Do I hear that Ed :)

13 May 2016 07:27:14
Spot on Ed. Agree with keep the Everton back room staff. But clear out all elements of the Wigan contingent. Remember it was not just Martinez, bringing Jones etc with him was his real mistake.

{Ed025's Note - new broom and all that BCT, i expect the new man will have his own ideas of who he wants to work with and that will mean some outgoings, its going to be an interesting time mate..

13 May 2016 01:57:01
Don't want to sound like a kill joy (because you cannot believe how overjoyed I am that Martinez is gone) , but am I the only one really worried about the potential of De Boer?

His only managerial experience is at Ajax in what is effectively a 1 team league, where he has still managed to miss out on the title in the last 2 years. I know PSV are good, but with their history and resources, Ajax should walk that league. Add that to them achieving nothing in Europe, and to me he just seems like a Dutch Neil Lennon (who people went crazy over when he was suggested pre-Martinez) .

I feel like people are excited about him simply because he was a good player, but historically that means nothing and while I feel he has the personality to give the players the kick up the backside they need, a transition from someone as soft as Martinez to as hard as De Boer may not go down too well. I'd much rather we continued pursuing Pellegrini.

At this moment in time, I feel like an inanimate object could do a better job than Martinez, but I don't think De Boer is going to be our savior.

13 May 2016 07:04:22
Interesting stat on Radio Merseyside. They spoke to a dutch football expert who stated the average age of the Ajax team was 23. He also stated that Frank is a driven ambitious man who wants to win. Formation wise he is an advocate of 4-3-3 system and although he likes possession football he stated at times it can be boring 1 or 2 nil wins. After hearing what this guy had to say i feel both Everton and De Boer are a perfect fit. We have some promising youngsters and this guy has experience of integrating them into a successful winning side. This expert believes Stam and Bergkamp will stay at Ajax with Jaap being offered the managers job, but his brother will follow him to Everton. I would like to see Unsy promoted if Frank gets the job as he knows the youngsters and knows the Everton way and what us fans want.
I was weary about the lack of experience, but this guy whoever he was talked Frank up and i got to say i like what i heard. If we can keep Rom and have Delboy and Mirrallas supporting him in the 3 pronged attack then there is goals in our side. The midfield 3 could be Barkley, Dowell and McCarthy. Backline of Stones, Mori, Coleman and Galloway. Joel in goal. That would be my lineup based on current personell in the system De Boer favours.