Everton Banter Archive May 13 2014

 

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13 May 2014 20:44:10
Does anyone think that Vellios or Junior or Gueye will still be Everton players by the end of the transfer window? That means they won't even be sent out on loan again, but they'll be moved out permanently. I know that RM wants a bigger squad to cope with European football, but have any of those three players really shown the consistency and quality (and, on some occasions, the character and attitude) to warrant a place in next season's squad? Or am I being too harsh in my comments?

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{Ed025's Note - i think your right sid..i think they have had more than enough time to prove their worth..but have been found wanting mate..

Vellios has already left the club.

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BitterBlue: where's that officially reported please?

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13 May 2014 21:54:12
sid, vellios confirmed it himself on twitter, same with mason springthorpe

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Glad the 3 the OP mentioned have gone. No desire to play for the club.more interested in collecting wages for sitting on their bums.

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I've heard Gueye is off to a Turkish club this summer and isn't far from being done.

Don't think Vellios or Junior are/were quite good enough for where we are now.

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13 May 2014 20:35:48
Taken from the club's official website:
"Everton's Under-18 Premier League final against Manchester City will take place at Goodison Park this Saturday, 17 May.
Kevin Sheedy's side reached the academy showpiece with a 1-0 victory over Tottenham Hotspur on Sunday.
The young Blues will now battle with City to be crowned national champions in a one-legged final.
Kick off at Goodison Park will be at 5.30pm and entry via the Upper Bullens stand will be free for all Season Ticket holders.
Entry will otherwise be £3 for adults and £1 for concessions and can be paid on the day at the Upper Bullens turnstiles."

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{Ed025's Note - cheers sid..

13 May 2014 18:47:34
Just been looking through the posts and come across the penalties one. I'm by no means having a go here.

But correct me if I'm wrong, Manchester city got the 2nd most penalties after Liverpool. Liverpool and Manchester City also completely out scored every other team in the premier league.Coincidence?

We have smart, tricky, agile players like Suarez, Aguero, Silva, Sturridge etc.Admittedly, a couple of the penalty decisions have been debatable. And we both play 2 strikers unlike most of the league.

In Everton's recent history, you have had players such as lukaku, yakubu, anichebe, Jelavic. Players not renown for there tricky-ness nor agility or speed. I really think most of
you are looking for the easy way out here, which is to call us cheats.

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{Ed025's Note - its a valid point you make AM, but you can paint it any colour you want mate..suarez is a simulator..or a cheat in old money.. :)

It's not something I don't think any fan of any club wants to see. But if your team gets a pen from a dive, score it and win a game would you complain! Hell no :) I think we actually would have got more pens if it wasn't for the roll after the impact.

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{Ed025's Note - so you admit they exaggerate after a tackle AM?...im afraid thats cheating in my book mate..

Suarez in particular mate yea . the only one really in the Liverpool team. Hard for anyone to deny that he doesn't throw in a roll. I think there are much worse divers than him, but that's his main problem. I don't think there is a team in the league who don't do this. Part of the game now.

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{Ed025's Note - unfortunately your right mate..

13 May 2014 20:32:52
Don't think that suarez is the only 'nimble' as you put it attacking player liverpool has that simulates. Consider also coutinho, sterling, and sturridge all I believe of the same ilk. Quite similar to big centre halfs use 'brute force' to win the ball by any means necessary, a couple of names always come to mind are terry and shawcross, but i'm sure other big centre backs do it also, its just a matter of how often they do it which draws the attention of other fans. Which brings me back to my point, everton and other teams in the prem have 'nimble' players such as barkley, osman, deloufeu and mirallas. all attacking players who dribble in the final third of the pitch, however they do not simulate AS OFTEN as the aforementioned players hence the original post highlighting how many penalties both liverpool and man city have won this year compared to the rest of the teams in the league. Is that really a coincidence? I also believe both home supporters particularly in man utd, liverpool, chelsea, arsenal and man city's cases can be a huge influence on referees decisions (not because of the noise that is made by the home support appealing the award) as I believe the majority of teams supporters make a similar noise, but by bias towards the 'norm' of the elite 4. I also believe referees have a different view on what a foul consists of outside the box and what is a foul inside the box, similar changes in rules do not seem to apply to the 'elite 4' . This ultimately makes the difference between how many penalties are awarded to each team in the league, not just coincidence.

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Agreed Mowhawk, best attacking teams will obviously get the most pens it's not rocket science, also agree that it's part of the game. However I have an irrational dislike for Suarez so deep that I can't agree he isn't the worst. He is the worst "sportsman" to play the game of football on these shores and despite his undoubted ability is a disgrace to the game along with Busquets, Alves (even though I liked the banana eating way of dealing with racists) and Robben. All of them despite being good players can do one as far as I'm concerned. Dzeko was an idiot at Goodison as well and I don't understand how their own embarrassment doesn't effect them.
Anyway I unlike many blues don't really have issue with yous just dislike Suarez and the choker that is your manager

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All of this talk about penalties fails to take into account one key fact: RM has stated that he much prefers to score goals from open play and not from set-pieces!
That's even though we've scored some cracking goals from direct free-kicks (Baines, Mirallas, Barkley) and Baines has been masterful with those penalties we have been awarded.
However, not too many goals scored from corners. In fact, it seems like we've been (uncharacteristically considering previous seasons with Jagielka and Distin) defensively vulnerable from corners and other free-kicks.
Anyone else got any observations?

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{Ed025's Note - i dont think we even look dangerous from corners sid, its an area i would like to see improve considerably..

Ashley Young.worst diver in premier history.we used to get it over andy johnson when we won a penalty.

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Sir Alex Rednose used to intimidate refs so much that it was almost guaranteed that his team got penalties or edge of the box free kicks to score from. David Moyes would not permit this and our team is based mostly on his players. It was apparent to me that when he went to Utd, the fear factor disappeared. This has been a big problem for them at Utd and for us at Goodison. I particularly remember the season with Andy Johnson being fouled game after game and I think we got our first penalty in the last game of the season. These were blatant penalties that were never given. Likewise, Mr Mourihno at Chelsea is now instigating a fear for refs atmosphere at their stadium. How many games have they won with dubious last minute decisions. I really feel for refs, but they are put under incredible pressure by certain managers. RM is too innocent in this. He never comments on poor ref decisions except to say the ref got it wrong in his opinion. Similar to Moyes. I went to Anfield to watch them against Sheffield Utd a few seasons ago and they got 2 pens that day. One was so embarrassing. Gerrard had a player holding him at a corner kick as per every game, so sunk to his knees. He never even fell over or looked as if he was being restricted. Ref immediately gave pen. 2nd of the day. We average one per season. In a good season we have 2 pens.

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Good post as always Degsy

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13 May 2014 13:10:22
With regards to the poll of the day.

Champions League 15/16 season the tv revenue goes through the roof.



Does everyone believe next season will be easier to finish 4th?

I already think we'll be lucky to finish in the top 8. the current top 4 + man u and spurs, Southampton could have £100 mil to spend

qpr (if they come up) and Newcastle will all have a lot of money spent in the summer

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For crying out loud how negative is that. We've just finished above two teams that spent almost £200million between them. We've got Ross who would cost £50 mill, Stones looking like £20 mill, and two full backs worth an easy £50 mill for the pair. The teams you've mentioned don't have this quality in their squads. That's why we have every chance of breaking into the top 4 with Bobby at the helm.

Come on BOTN cheer up man.

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What you say is true, but the difference is, that we will have the best manager.
IR(&K)IT

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They will spend money unfortunately for them there current squads are garbage and only lallana would of got into our team this season.
All of this is irrelevant any way as were going to win the europa league and qualify that way.
COYB

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13 May 2014 16:16:07
southampton owe a lot in transfer fees and have to replace any outgoing players, spurs wasted over 100m, don't expect them to splash so much so soon again, Manchester United need about 13 players, and that's not including outgoings, they won't be top four next season and newcastle, lol

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Just a thought, who are QPR really going to be able to acquire that isn't a money grabbing merc, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they splash the cash last time they were in the premier league. Look what happened. That's even if they manage to get up. I'm also wondering if we need to spend £100's of millions, with the wealth of talent I hear we have in the youth team, ledson, green to name a few, not to mention the youth already established, Barkley, Stones we could have a great team in 3-4 years without spending much money. Anyone remember Man U in the early 90's? Beckham, Giggs, Scholes. Didn't pay a penny for them.

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I tend to get these comments of being negative when I post. The guy is just pointing out some facts. What used to be the "top 4" is now a top 5. Man City have bought their way into it. Man Utd's troubles are temporary. They will invest 300 million on the team if necessary. Add to this the money that Daniel Levy throws at Spurs.and one or two other clubs such as Leicester City announcing that they will invest 180 million on players next season means that with us there is effectively a top 8. We are maybe losing our top scorer. We may also lose our anchor man. who knows except Gareth Barry? All in all I think Backofthenet is asking a reasonable question. My answer is that we need Lukaku or Bony or another 20 goal a season forward and we need to secure Barry. Plus we need to replace Pienaar/Osman soon with better quality to have a chance of top 4. It is a big ask in my opinion.

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Or I can just say yes we will win the League. There that is a lot less negative.

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Money, money, money. come on guys Shamus 60k best right back in league. Let others spend what they like, it's about building a team, not buying one. As for the likes of MU yea let them carry on spending 27 mill ring any bells.

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{Ed025's Note - good point WB..

To be honest mate they have no premier league proven players in their squad, so this 180, mill there going to spend won't exactly guarantee them a challenge at the top end, and that will also include players wages so I would not worry about Leciester just yet we heard all these stories before the only two that really came to fruition when they said they would invest big was Chelsea and City I'm not worried one bit about Leciester.

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13 May 2014 18:43:06
leicester can spend as much as they like, qpr did that, look where they are, when leicester start signing the david silvas of the world then I will worry, levy bought most of their signing this season, he spent well, plus they are not a team, degsy, do you really think leicester will be in the top 8 next season? or even in 3 seasons time? rubbish, Manchester United can spend 300m, they need a left back, right back, 3 centre backs, 2 holding midfielders, 3 wingers, a striker and more replacements, 300m? will that get them back to the top, instantly? nope, there is negative, there is buzzkills and then there is you, oh well lads, when villa get taken over, qpr back in prem, spurs and leicester signing falcaos, agueros and ronaldos, newcastle on the up, in fact soon every team will be bought and have all the best players, why bother? let's just give up, we will be in the conference soon when every team in england but us has good players, jeez and I thought I was miserable

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{Ed025's Note - what do you mean "you thought you was miserable"...your bloody well depressing mate!..

13 May 2014 19:27:48
im in a good mood today aswell!

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{Ed025's Note - god help us if you get a cob on swan.. :)

Southampton will have a lot of money to spend because they face loosing their best players and therefore have to re-build. So they have to get players of the same quality of Shaw and Lallana plus invest significantly on top of those, whilst needing every transfer to work out. Whilst we face keeping our team, a better one than Southampton and adding to it. Leicster? 180m? Good luck to them, but I would rather be Everton in our position than Leicester and a 180m war chest any day. Do they have the wage budget to attract the players of the quality, they have no other pull, as come to us and we might stay in the premier league is not the best motivation for joining a club. Ie got bored knocking this one so I'm going to stop. They way your talking mate we all may aswell give up on football!

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Jeez Swan.I only said I thought the other guy was not being negative. and pointing out some facts. I do believe we have over achieved and done really well. I also believe that when there are 7 other clubs spending a bucket full more cash than you, then it makes signing players like Bony very difficult. He will have loads of top teams after him including Arsenal. Players like him will sign for:
a. Champions League Team.
b. The team that pays most wages.
They are mercanries these days. And to answer your question. no I do not think Leicester will be top 8. But I do think they will inflate players fees and wages that we already struggle with. Otherwise we would be signing 25-30 million players and not 60 k players from the Southern Irish League. He has been brilliant and I agree is one of the best right backs. But what's the chance of us finding even one more like him?

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I think you will push for top 4 again this year. You have a manager who loves finding gems, he found a few decent ones to come to Wigan. With the pull of Europa, the size of your club too and Martinez, you have a good season to look forward too. IF you get the right players and cope with Europa League, but I can't see Martinez struggling with that too much, or at least not for long.

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13 May 2014 10:23:18
Not a rumour just a discussion point.

now that wigan are out, I would think that it would be sensible to go for three of their players as they will fit straight into the squad, they know how the boss plays, they live local and they are settled, my choice would be three players, Mcmanaman, Maloney and Mcarthur.

I would like to see a back up keeper like ruddy or a elder statesman whos maybe on a free like paul robinson of blackburn or jussi jasskeleinen, then send joel robles on loan to spain.

try and get scott dann from palace or lescot on a free.

mohammed diame, valencia and nzogbia all ex martinesz players all would boost our squad and all experienced in the premier league and wouldn't need to have a settling in period.

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Ruddy as a number 2 (which he wouldn't want) and maybe Diame. The rest of them I wouldn't be at all interested in. I don't see how any of them would be better than what we already have nor would improve the squad?

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13 May 2014 15:55:49
scott dann is a kopite and is crap, mccarthur? really? championship at best, maloney is decent but old and injury prone, mcmanaman is woeful, at best, no tar

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{Ed025's Note - do you like any player swan?...you are turning into a victor meldrew clone mate..

13 May 2014 16:12:52
i do ed but everyone on here wants us to buy absolute crap, we took wigans striker, centre back, ex keeper and best player, why take what we don't need, where would mccarthur play? mcmanaman is crap and you know it, maloney I like but he has problems, like me, the op speaks about players who know his play style, let's get di santo, gomez, caldwell, hell the whole club, let's knick the kitman while we are at it

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Swan is usually very negative, but this is the most positive I've seen him! One of the worst suggestions for transfers I have ever seen. Ones that would make me estatic to see Cleverley Bendter and the local bin men coming in! Hope this isn't Roberto in disguise.

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Squad players nobody said straight in the team

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13 May 2014 10:01:25
we got 3 premier league penalties this season beating swansea 3 2 united 2 0 and drawing at stoke 1 1 earning us a total of 3 points.

the reds however have had a massive 12 penalties earning them at least 14 points, could the f a and dodgy refs done any more to help them win the league? let's see where they are next year without those penalties, not to mention the ones they should have given away with skirtl and agger at the back.

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Swansea under Rodgers in the Championship had 15, in the Premiership they had 12, Liverpool under Rodgers had 14, therefor it's clearly due to the philosophy that Rodgers employs.

I may be wrong but am pretty sure we had the most dribbles in the final third, Suarez lead the most successful dribble table, if I remember correctly.

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Half of them were dives mate if your going to comment on it at least be honest, yis got away with a lot this year don't try and defend it mate it makes you look silly.

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Was just about to say the same thing stef

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Me too. Plymouth is talking out of his rear end once more. Those penalties were gained by conning weak referees and he knows it.

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I can recall a Sturridge dive against United and a Suarez dive that's 2 out of 14, what are the other "dives" you're on about? you guy's are so bitter it's unreal, at least you're living up to your name.

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{Ed025's Note - come on plymouth...you know quite well there is cheating going on, and although suarez has cleaned his act up a bit, he is still a serial cheat mate..

13 May 2014 15:59:58
this kicking the ball past the keeper and going down, that's where most of your penalties have come from, its a spanish penalty everyone said so its allowed, george boyd does it but its a dive, the media love you, the biased pundits are full of it, don't act like 12 were 'actual' penalties

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Isn't two wins and a draw 7 points?

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Plymouth why don't you do one? Am I the only one fed up coming on my own clubs page to see me and my fellow supporters abused by you? You call us bitter because we have the cheek to point out your striker is a diving wrongen and the sooner he moves to Spain (this summer) the better.

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{Ed025's Note - any fan can go on any page oli...as long as they behave mate..

Plymouth why don't u support plymouth argyle

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13 May 2014 19:32:11
if plymouth won anything he would support them mate, unfortunately they havent, so he jumped ship

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Does that mean that every Evertonian from the Wirral should support Tranmere Rovers? Or any Evertonian from North Wales should support Wrexham or one of the other non-league clubs there?

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{Ed025's Note - fair point sid..

Reading this it seems as a born and bred Yorkshireman I need permission to support Everton so could I pretty please carry on supporting the club I've loved for nearly 35 years?
How long do you think the club would survive if only Liverpool born people were allowed to support us? If we want to be a global brand then we have to get past this silly idea that people should only support the club in the town they were born.
Sorry for the rant but this subject really annoys me. Rant over :)

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13 May 2014 07:21:08
anyone no when the new kit is coming out. bsm

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12 May 2014 22:52:46
Ed Do have an accounting of how many of EFC's sqaud is off to the WC? I know of 5.

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{Ed025's Note - im not sure that all the squads have been announced yet TT, but i will follow it up over the next couple of days mate..

I can think of howard, Baines, jags, Barkley, Mirallas, lukaku possibly stones and would traore or Kone go?

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Traore going but not ours pal

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12 May 2014 22:54:28
Sunday Mba will be a suprise star at the world cup. Snap him up before the big boys do.

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13 May 2014 00:03:56
Online petition for billion gates I mean bill gates to buy Everton just google it an sign it an we could be multi billionaires next season

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Would love it to happan or maybe Carlos Helu . Could definitely afford Cleverly then lol

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