Everton Banter Archive July 13 2017

13 Jul 2017 22:06:11
Paul Joyce just tweeted funes mori out for a while due to knee injury Koeman might move for a left sided CB have we missed out on that young lad from Ajax to Palace?

13 Jul 2017 21:16:33
My mates best friends auntys sister whos cat is the mouser at goodison park said we have signed the head tea lady from Chelsea for £200 a week, bargain boys, well we linked with every buggar else lol COYB.

14 Jul 2017 07:37:01
already been done mate, you are about 3 years to late.

14 Jul 2017 12:17:27
Bit harsh that Bill after saying we all being big meanies to the poor little Ross Barkley.

13 Jul 2017 20:49:48
Football is rapidly becoming the Coronation Street of the man's world!

Can someone please, please explain this absolute obsession with money? As if it was your own dosh that the club is asking for! It is becoming extremely tiresome listening to some fans repeatedly bleating on about how much they think a player is worth and how they wouldn't pay that for them. Is it because we are living in the Championship Manager era?

It's probably me just getting old and turning into a moaning get ha!

13 Jul 2017 20:56:25
This is a banter and rumour page mate. catch up.

13 Jul 2017 21:18:46
bants mate, bants.

13 Jul 2017 21:23:51
No one gets worked up maybe just like to have an input an get our emotion n point across. Which is what this page slows us to do.

Nothing wrong with that plus I'm sure you would have something to say regarding the money side if we didn't have it to spend.

Just a theory. Or maybe just a bit of banter.

Everton the gear.

13 Jul 2017 21:29:51
I'm just genuinely interested JimBob, as I see a lot of people getting quite caught up in the money side of transfers. Just my opinion and something I don't understand. I'm sure lots of people will disagree with me of course.

I'm having a bit of banter at the same time obviously ;-)

13 Jul 2017 22:01:59
I totally agree Pierre. A lot of fans tend to determine a players worth by his value rather than what he contributes to the team.

At £30mil Gylfi was the man we lacked. Now it's getting towards £50mil he's now not worth getting by some. Personally, I don't care about the value I just look at what they bring to the team.

13 Jul 2017 22:05:06
Oy PierreLeBlue

There's only enough room for one moaning, grumpy old git on here and that's me :-)

13 Jul 2017 23:03:47
Pierell, sod the money I need my next fix, Siggerson, Giroud, Van Dijk, get them in, I am getting withdrawal symptoms, need another signing or three.

13 Jul 2017 23:07:01
Well I'm getting sick of people saying 'its not my money'.

Its not my money obviously but its my club which I care about. That's the only reason I care how they spend. Don't care how rich our new owner is, how many good new deals he completes. No matter how much money the club has its NOT a bottomless pit.

I am not giving out about the club. I'm over the moon with our fantastic summer so far. Some people get carried away with signing players no matter what fee. Thinking the club will never run out of money.

There was recent developments in Ireland with Bray club which was nonsensical what was going on and how the club were spending money.

If Swansea suddenly decide, a f*ck it, we will up the price to £80m. What are we meant to do? Say, a I don't care about the money, it's not mine, sign the player.

Sorry for the moaning Grumpy its just not my mentally or ever will be to splash the cash like its going out of fashion. Always is a limit to how much anyone can spend. Rant over, you can take over the moaning from here Grumpy.

In all honesty I don't moan that often on here and am generally positive for the vast majority of the time.

13 Jul 2017 23:12:39
Not true I am a moaning old git to, well some of us have to talk sense lol.

13 Jul 2017 23:32:47
I wouldn't consider myself as a moaner about the bottomless pit we seemingly have but I am wary of how we spend it. I would like Gylfi for around the 30 mark, but for me, 50 is too high. Maybe if he was the final piece I wouldn't be too concerned, but as i say - for me, the extra 20m could go towards a centre back as well for example.
Without being soon and gloom, and I am ecstatic and slightly surprised (in a good way) I still feel we need around 3 more players to make a push for champions league football, and for the new team to gel pretty quickly.

14 Jul 2017 06:53:20
What you are suggesting is even more expensive Kingo. Not only are you spending £50 mil on two players but now you will be paying TWO wages out! That's more than just getting Gylfi. It won't be the player you want but settling for two you dont. Plus how many CB do you want.

We don't know the finances involved in the club and the finances involved in football especially in transfers.

The club's that don't compete buy players to beef up SQUADS and get a bargain or look for potential sell on value which all comes with its own risk as We have found in the last 20 years. The club's that are successful buy players to improve the TEAM IMMEDIATELY with proven ability.

Showing ambition like we are doing helps stops situations like Lukaku were they think they are bigger than the club. Not everytime but most. It will help stop players like him, Lescott, Arteta, Stones, Rodwell, Barmby, Fellani, Rooney and many others thinking we are just a stepping stone or not there to compete.

This is not a Portsmouth or Leeds where we are using revenue streams for day to day business. This is £90mil from a player sold, £50mil last summer for Stones, £75mil sponsor deal, owner investment and more players will go.

If we can afford to get the player that is best for that position then you get him. Simple as that.

14 Jul 2017 00:40:44
You Everton fans are deluded, you set unrealistic price on your players and you complain about others being too expensive.

{Ed025's Note - thats just the way of the the world im afraid rover, everyone loves a bargain and no one wants to lose their best players, i wish i knew who you support so i could give you some pelters because every club is the same mate..

14 Jul 2017 09:01:19
BlueJohnUns you hit the nail on the head, 'if we can afford a player we should get'. That's exactly what I'd be saying with 'afford' being the key word.

Good business is what we need. We seem to be doing just that all summer. What you say 'small clubs' do by getting bargains and having a sell on value is good business. Without good business any business in the world would go under. No club has the luxury of spending whatever amount of money they want. They have to be sure they can 'afford' the expenses they have.

I have a Business degree and am running a business my father has all his life and his father before him. Rovercocastic what you say there is what every realistic good business people do. Sell for as high a price as you can and buy for as low as you can. Then obviously you increase the value or profit of your company. You mist do the best you can which seems what everyone at Everton is doing.

Anyway I don't see anyone complaining about the price players. Just people not willing to give the amount.

14 Jul 2017 10:08:36
Well NBTB how many trophies have our bargains got us in the last 22 years? In fact put together all of the trophies won by every 'small club' over the last 22 years any it probably doesn't even match what Chelsea or United have won individually in that time.

A business degree doesn't mean you know how to run a business. It gives you the tools to make the right choices the same as any education you get. It's how you use that knowledge and to be fair Moshiri he has done a fair amount of business dealings himself and been pretty successful.

I'm not having a go I'm just saying here that you won't win trophies unless you use every ounce of resource whether that be money or whatever to get the best people for the job. There is no need to have money in the bank as a football club or any business for that matter. You invest it. In players, in infrastructure, that is the currency you have in business. Money in the bank for a rainy day is dead money.

14 Jul 2017 10:41:34
NBTB forgive me if i am wrong here but £100 mill out so far (there abouts) and £75 mil in. lots of new faces but I don't think anyone has to cook the books yet. So yeah! I think its fine to say "its ot my money" and stand back and enjoy. We are far off being reckless with the money. Plus Tv deal Plus new business initiatives. I wouldn't mind betting that wages aside, we are probably financially up. Get over it and do the maths. If Barkley goes (I hope so, crap in my opinion) we will probably be turning a profit on the transfer window.

14 Jul 2017 10:57:15
In my opinion we do need to think about the money and have a bit of realism when expressing our opinions as the Clubs are tied down to FFP so when suggesting a signing its always worth noting how much they will cost and not just what they will bring to the club. If you don't plan around your finances then you may well end up a creak without a paddle. Gylfi at £30m may be a good by but that extra £20m plus may hamper other spending plans. What happens if he gets injured ala Bolasis or Besic? As a blue we have seen prudent sensible money management at the club I don't see this changing under our new leadership. If RK wants Gylfi and it suits our budget then I am pretty sure we will get him. Or we could just pick our fantasy team and whinge like mad when we don't get it.

14 Jul 2017 15:18:33
BlueJohnUns the business degree is one element of my understanding in business. You seem to miss the part where I work in my fathers business. All my life. He worked in the same business all his life as his father done. Plenty of generations in business there. The degree is only secondary to that.

I'm obviously delighted with the club recently and have nothing but praise for them. Trophies? It wasn't about trophies this last 22 years. It was about good business. Because of that good business we are not in a position to compete for trophies now.

I was talking in general and in general if a business over spends it goes under. Its because I care so much for Everton FC that it is a concern for me personally. I realise others don't even entertain the idea and I envy those who think this way.

14 Jul 2017 16:04:53
Correction: we are in a position to compete for trophies.

13 Jul 2017 20:22:04
Just thought i would add to the Rooney goal everyone (media) are raving about.

What about the close control and maturity Lookman showed with the assist, holding 3/ 4 players off before laying Rooney in.

13 Jul 2017 20:51:14
He looked good JMW

Hopefully good things from him this year mate.

13 Jul 2017 18:59:14
Hi ed002 any chance of that little transfer update? Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - I am trying.}

13 Jul 2017 20:12:58
Thanks ed very much appreciated.

13 Jul 2017 18:18:26
Not sure what everyone else's point of view is on this but Koeman has highlighted that we need more goals from other sources than Lukaku and that is why he is recruiting more productive players. My opinion on this is Barkley didn't get as many as expected because he was always trying to find Lukaku rather than shooting himself and the same can be said for most of our attacking players. Without Lukaku our attackers aren't going to be reliant on someone they know will score and take more shots on themselves. A good plan I think especially with Klassen and Rooney joining. Mý point being that Lukaku in the Man who team is going to have to go searching for the ball as they have some really good attackers in that team that won't be as reliant on passing to him in the hope he scores. Surely he will have to change his game a little to succeed there. Back on to my original point. I can see our goals coming from all over the park with the players we have signed just because they won't be under any pressure to give the ball to Lukaku.

Would be nice to know what everyone else thinks.

13 Jul 2017 19:09:09
Very intuitive regarding lukaku in our team. I think though that lukaku did create a lot of his own goals aswell. they weren't all tap ins. but understand your point. Totally agree regarding goal distribution in new squad though.

13 Jul 2017 16:49:09
2-1 Dowell.

13 Jul 2017 16:38:31
Whilst I agree that 40mill for Sig is steep. Its the way the current market has gone.

Even more so when you are going after a (in no disrespect) smaller clubs, best player.

Look at the deals this year:

Salah 37mill
Silva 43 mill
Lindelof 30* mill

Dont know about anyone but i think that Sigurdsson will be a better by than any of these players and will have an impact in more goals than any of them as well.

Get him signed. The difference of a front 4 of Sandro, Mirallas, Rooney, Klaasen to a front 4 of Sandro, Sig, Rooney, Klaasen is huge!

13 Jul 2017 18:49:40
We have no idea if Klaasen is better than Mirallas yet JMW. When Mirallas is in the mood, he scares the bejesus out of defences.

13 Jul 2017 15:41:34
Apparently Rooney just scored a screamer. Get in.

13 Jul 2017 15:56:45
Yeh was a good goal. From the stats it doesn't like we are doing too well like. That being said, the result isn't too important i suppose.

13 Jul 2017 16:22:02
it's been a typical 1st pre season game most if not all look a bit short of fitness but that's normal Mo Besic is looking ok he's come on in 2nd half playing LCB along side Keane.

13 Jul 2017 16:46:00
Basic should have plenty of energy he ain't played for a decade.

13 Jul 2017 15:06:22
Sterling, Stones and Lukaku are all young enough to be able to recoup a big transfer fee in 3-4 years - perhaps even make a profit the way the markets are going. This is way overpriced for Gylfi, who will be to old in four years. The are younger, better creative players in all four other major European leagues at clubs who haven't qualified for Europe.

13 Jul 2017 15:30:51
Completely agree. I have no problem with us spending 50mil. I just think if we are going to spend that much then there are better players we can get.

13 Jul 2017 16:04:16
Like?

13 Jul 2017 16:47:39
Sell on price is only a consequence if we are planning on selling him in 4 years time.

13 Jul 2017 15:02:41
Coleman is officially worth £1billion after city's bid for Kyle Walker!

13 Jul 2017 13:31:56
Reports saying United looking to offload martial would love us to go for him.

{Ed025's Note - good player but very bad attitude billy, on loan only mate..

13 Jul 2017 14:31:18
On loan would do for me, gives a season to see how the squad can establish itself and gel and review options next summer.

13 Jul 2017 15:35:08
Have you heard he has a bad attitude ed if that's true then a loan deal would be best.

{Ed025's Note - yeah billy his days at united look numbered because of it mate..

13 Jul 2017 13:03:20
On a more serious note does anybody know if Bobby brown shoes actually watched Niasse live or just go on someone's report.

{Ed025's Note - he went on scouting reports glt, that scout is now residing in a rubber cell mate.. :)

13 Jul 2017 13:36:31
Brilliant ed.

13 Jul 2017 09:04:08
Hey guys.
So I have set up a Fantasy league for this page and all others. It's a classic public league.
The game is located at fantasy. premierleague. com
The code to join this league: 15240-12211.
It's titled Football Rumors League.
A stickie will be put up regarding the same at the top of the banter page.

We had about 750 members two years back. So hopefully we can cross a thousand this time.
Looking forward to seeing everyone there
Thanks.

13 Jul 2017 10:43:03
can you send reminder out just before league starts mate as waiting for more transfers.

13 Jul 2017 10:57:18
It will be stickied on top of the banter page. And I will be giving weekly reminders so no need to worry.

13 Jul 2017 06:38:43
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, West Bromwich Albion Season Review

13 Jul 2017 07:47:44
great write up and info Ed, zero out of ten bit harsh for TP ha ha, you were spot on they did stop playing once they reached 40 points, he is a lucky man as if that was Southampton he would have been sacked, their goal certainly is to just survive.

{Ed001's Note - it is a shame as they had done so well early doors, then just stopped playing. If they had finished in 8th and played the last 15 or so games like they did at the start, then he would have been getting a 7. It does happen every season, his teams reach 40 points and stop playing, which is why it had to be such a low score. One off it would be different, but it literally happens every single season for his teams, so it is a failing that has to be placed at his door.

Thank you for the compliment, I am really glad you appreciated it.}

13 Jul 2017 10:55:21
If the target set for him (or any Premier League manager) is to keep their club in the Premier League, then he (and the players) have successfully met that. It's when the club and the fans demand more - like progressive, expansive football or challenging for Europe and trophies - that I reckon he’s been found wanting. Anyway, that's a matter for WestBrom rather than us, so as long as we improve and challenge the top-six ourselves, I'll be quite satisfied.

13 Jul 2017 11:11:25
Ed001 although I do agree that WBA level took a drastic turn for the worse once they reached 40pts I find it hard to believe that a full squad of professional footballers would down tools and dream of the holidays.

I'm not saying they didn't but having played football semi pro there's no way I would drop my level of performance because my team can't get relegated or win the league. Maybe one or two players' level would drop for different reasons but the whole squad to basically stop is hard to believe.

I do think Pulis should take the blame for continuing to use the same players whose level has deteriorated so much. Do you think it's the players that stop or the Manager telling them not to play with same intensity? The facts show that Pulis' teams do seem to stop playing the sane way pnce they are safe from relegation. I guess only the Management and squad of WBA can answer why their performances changes so much once they were safe.

{Ed001's Note - it has to come from the manager, as this has been the same story every season and, like you said, the players just wouldn't all down tools. Personal pride would make them want to finish as high up the table as possible. As it has happened at other clubs Pulis has managed, the issue has to stem from him. Though it does seem odd that he has not figured out how to solve it.}

13 Jul 2017 12:46:10
I know it doesn't have too much relevance but if you look back at Alan Pardews club form he used to get a club flying and going on long runs of good results and then all of a sudden nosedived and then went on a long poor run resulting in him being sacked. i could never understand how that happened but it was almost every club he managed.
Maybe something similar going on with Pulis, maybe he pee's them off by mid season and then in the summer they forget and start playing again.

{Ed001's Note - could well be. Pulis does push his players hard and has been known to fall out and then make up with a number of them.}

13 Jul 2017 14:27:00
could be that he is drilling it in the players head that they need to reach 40 points Ed, this would no doubt stick and once reached levels would drop, I suspect if he doesn't improve this season he could be for the chop as only so long fans can put up with that awful football.

{Ed001's Note - that's true. I think I would rather have relegation than have to watch that each season.}

12 Jul 2017 23:56:53
I know we were linked with Lanzini a couple of months ago. With price for Sigurdsson going higher than expected, would Lanzini be someone Everton would look at instead or was it just speculation?

{Ed002's Note - I would doubt it.}