Everton Banter Archive January 13 2018

13 Jan 2018 23:07:11
what scares me most about us is I watch a lot of football and the likes of West Brom Brighton and Huddersfield all clubs struggling at the wrong end of the table but they all play better football than us they at least know how to attack I watch us and i feel we must play the worst football in the league.

{Ed025's Note - we are footballing chloroform bluey..

13 Jan 2018 23:21:32
it hurts to watch ed25 and it all stems from poor managerial decisions the media should ask Sam why he persists with Martina when he has Garbutt why sigs is played on the left instead of no10 why Rooney is always preferred when he slows the play and gives 3 yrd passes away for me sam talks and says all the right things but its not being shown on the pitch and he is running out of time to show he can do it because if this carries on he will be shown the door in the summer.

14 Jan 2018 00:20:55
Bluey78 - Hopefully, Garbutt will get a chance to train with the full squad this month and, if he does well, get a chance to play. However, he’s now 24 and hasn’t yet established himself as a first-teamer either here or out on loan, so there have to be questions about his level. I hope he can make it here.

14 Jan 2018 03:30:22
Couldn't agree more bluey it's frightening to see Palace, W'Ham, Hudd, etc playing far better football than us.

13 Jan 2018 22:06:11
No excuse for tonight but thought Tosun played well first half. But buying him has only covered up major cracks and I don't know if the players or Allardyce should be blamed but there's no service to him, it wouldn't matter if we had Kane up front he'd still be isolated. I don't know if it's just the lack of balance in the team or just poor tactics. Sams deserves credit for steadying a sinking ship but think we need to start looking at a new manager for next season who can help us push up to where we want to be.

13 Jan 2018 22:31:21
When Tosun left Turkey he was warned that he might be lonely in England. He hadn't grasped they meant on the pitch.

13 Jan 2018 23:44:28
Hahaha not really advertising a move to players are we.

13 Jan 2018 21:04:06
Is it true that Tosun asked to be taken off early so that he could get to Heathrow and get a flight to Turkey?

13 Jan 2018 22:20:04
Hahahaha. I heard he paid his own buy out clause.

14 Jan 2018 01:29:28
Blimey - the gallows humour has started really early this time!

13 Jan 2018 20:58:00
I'm amazed. How Lookman and Vlasic don't start is a joke. Who cares about the age Sam, having too many old and slow players is killing us. Rooney too slow, Bolaise I personally think is over rated, Lennon has a crack but not much there. Martina the less said the better, Schniderlan (Man United laughing at us) . Today I would only have Pickford, Holgate, dogs, Kenny and Tos.

13 Jan 2018 21:21:01
The problems from the start of the season don't seem to have been fixed. we are so poor going forward its scary, yet the big 4 are all well paid to produce better.

13 Jan 2018 21:33:05
I think you are being a bit harsh on Rooney who I think has a role to play, perhaps not against a team with the quality in midfield that Tottenham has but in other games he will be important. Bolasie is just returning from injury so some ups and downs are to be expected. I agree on Lennon, Martina and Schneiderlein.

That aside, I completely agree that Lookman and Vlasic need playing time. Other than avoiding relegation, the development of the young players is the only thing left this season. Playing Lennon who has no real future at the club in the longer term is pointless, particularly when we are already 3-0 down. Equally, I love Niasse's attitude, but I don't think he has a future at the club long term. Sandro, Klassen or Vlasic should have had his spot in the matchday squad.

I know what we have seen so far hasn't been fantastic but I would like to see Sandro and Klassen getting a proper chance in the second half of the the season so a better decision about their futures can be made in the summer. If they can adapt to the Premier League then they will save us a huge amount of money in the summer which can be invested elsewhere.

13 Jan 2018 21:53:06
TB we still not safe yet to start risking them in the team.

{Ed025's Note - your right..

13 Jan 2018 23:19:55
Fair point but at 3-0 down and the game lost then what are we really learning from seeing another half hour of Lennon and Schneiderlein. Yes, granted, its not the best situation for a young or out of form player to come in to and perform but it is better than sitting back in Liverpool watching on TV. I am not sure it is taking a massive risk by having Vlasic on the bench instead of Lennon and Sandro/ Klasson instead of Niasse. I personally would have also been happy to see Baningime on the bench instead of Schneiderlein the way he has been playing recently.

At least there is the option of giving them some time on the pitch then. That aside, surely 30 mins of Lookman (who was on the bench) getting some game time playing against a good defence would have been more beneficial for the club in the long run than having Lennon come on.

14 Jan 2018 01:37:17
I know it’s very cautious - perhaps even negative - but get safely to 40 points before experimenting too much with inexperienced youngsters. Besides, with just one match a week from now on, there should be time to evaluate all players in training or even give them a run-out in the U23s.

13 Jan 2018 20:39:18
What baffled me was the subs like for lik when that formation clearly wasn’t working and lookman just left there thinking what do I need to do to play for Everton.

13 Jan 2018 19:34:53
So people will blame Koeman, people will blame the players and say it isn't Sam's fault.

So here we go:

Sigurdsson left wing.
Martina left back when Garbutt is there.
3 Holding midfielders against Bournemouth.
Saying players need rest then continuing to play them.
Saying it doesn't matter what Klaassen does he won't get in the team no matter how hard he works, what a man.
Lookman and Vlasic can't get a game.

These are all his doings, no one is forcing him to make these decisions, are people still sure they want him for next season because he wears an earpiece and talks about sports science? .

If people think he's the man to take us forward then you really do baffle me, he's never done anything in his career to indicate he can take us forward. Thank you if you keep us up and good luck and all that now on you go.

13 Jan 2018 19:58:42
Couldn’t of said it better myself mate.

13 Jan 2018 19:45:08
What’s your role in finch farm to be able to disagree with what he says?

But I do agree with the fact he talks about balance and plays sig out of position for starters.

Maybe he don’t want to register Garbutt in case he not up to scratch.

Nothing wrong with saying a player isn’t good enough if that’s how it is.

It’s clear by your posts swan you are just anti SA, blinkers on and blame manager for everything, it’s disgraceful that the man has not changed any playing staff but our decline is all his fault .

13 Jan 2018 19:45:44
Martina is a terrible player - I don't understand why he's still playing. I thought Williams could cover left back; surely he would be a better option? Or switch Kenny and play Holgate at right back? At the moment we might as well play with ten men.

13 Jan 2018 19:51:58
I hate to say this, but 12 games ago we were dire. We never looked like a goal nor winning a game. He came in and we got a few clean sheets and points and some were praising him as the messiah whilst others said the type of football was terrible. I looked at our fixture list and in one post stated that I expected a setback on the way. We had Manchester United, Liverpool away, Spurs away, WBA away, Bournemouth away, Chelsea and Newcastle away. We had not won away for 12 months. Our goalscoring was next to nothing and our creative play too. We got a few results and then had this terrible fixture list with the same group of players that Koeman had taken us to 3rd from bottom. Yes I expected this setback. I also hear some talking about pushing on for 6th position? we were 3rd from bottom when he arrived and looking like relegation certs. Give the bloke a chance. The squad he inherited was filled with youngsters and ageing players. 5 x number 10's. no center forward. No left back. Yes he may pick a different player to you and mein certain positions. Yes he may make mistakes. but the position we are in now is different to when he arrived. Give him a chance and then judge him.

13 Jan 2018 19:53:03
There ya go manager just said it himself, tried to change things and the team have showed him they can not cope. So that to me says he knows he needs to change a lot of them in the long run.

13 Jan 2018 20:15:21
Another defeat we are starting to get sucked back in to a relegation battle.

13 Jan 2018 20:19:15
Let’s face it we can all blame SA the players the board etc but harsh reality is we are miles adrift of the top 6 .
The last 2-3 seasons show that a poor recruitment policy is now showing, buying aging players to fill gaps and using the youth has left us so short of quality.
We are totally unbalanced lack the pace spurs destroyed us with today and are predictable.
The only positives I took from today was Tosun looks decent, Pickford is okay and Gueye was as dependable as ever, the rest were poor!
The Rooney Sigurdsson debate continues, No lookman again, what that kid has to do to get a game only god knows yet it seems he preferred Lennon to get a sympathetic run out in front of his old fans.

13 Jan 2018 20:30:12
I don’t get why you guys play that Martina he is useless! You have some talented youngsters but they lack the experience and fight sometimes so you should be able to rely on the more experienced players but quite honestly the kids seem to care more and be more up for it than the older lot! New guys looks decent though not nervous at all.

13 Jan 2018 20:41:02
Sounds like excuses and I don’t need to be a part of finch farm to have an opinion on it do I?

13 Jan 2018 20:41:34
Degsy, if he keeps us up, which is the max he can achieve, would you seriously throw a new contract at him?

13 Jan 2018 22:53:56
No Swan mate. Like I said previously the playing staff is poor. I haven't made my mind up yet on the manager tho. The squad has got seriously bad over the last 4 seasons. We not only don't score. we don't even create chances. But its a bunch of kids being asked to step in in many key positions and poor signings. although I agree we should have a go with Sig in the middle. I am hurting as much as you Swan. It is awful. But another sacking now? No way will that do us good and its up to us as supporters to do exactly that now. support. But yes of course you are entitled to your opinion. and so am I. Keep your spirits up and wait for a couple of transfers before we get major improvements. I think we are 4 or 5 players away from being able to dominate games again. Just hope there are 3 worst teams than us. We are not safe yet.

14 Jan 2018 00:10:05
Exactly what I’m saying degs.

13 Jan 2018 19:32:12
Has a team ever gone a full calendar year without a shot on target? At least that's one record we could break.

13 Jan 2018 19:41:32
Same old problem mate Tosun had no service.

13 Jan 2018 23:41:14
Agreed mate. Looked to me like he took up some good positions and hungry to go in behind, but we need Sig in behind him at 10 playing those quick clever balls through rather than Rooney there slowing things down.

13 Jan 2018 19:25:45
Martina is shocking and if Allardyce can't see that then he's not the manager for us. Team are bloody awful right now. Football is depressing to watch.

13 Jan 2018 19:23:30
Could not wait for RM to leave then I could not wait for RK to leave and now can't wait for SA to pack hos bags and follow the other two down the road . sad isn't when your club has 3 awful managers in a row . and before you all start having a go it's a website to give your opinions.

13 Jan 2018 19:28:51
We just can’t keep blaming the managers @everton Martinez, Koeman, Unsworth and Now Allerdyce and Lee. There are big underlying issues at the Club, keep saying it, Ken&Co have to go.

13 Jan 2018 19:34:37
Why blame the manager again, don’t get me wrong I want a high profile manager but we need to be real. We just got destroyed by better players. We got some good youngsters but we putting too much on them. You can see what Rooney wants to do, but he simply can not do it anymore. 2 players not fit. Loads of work still needed on playing staff. Managers fault when only one player in the whole squad is his, and he only been here a week, behave.

13 Jan 2018 19:40:53
Beginning to agree. Rooney needs dropping and Gylfi played behind striker. Lookman on left and Vlasic on right. We need pace and trickery to cause defenders problems. Rooney don't look bothered half the time and kicks out at opposition when things don't go his way. didn't realise Bolasie was playing til i saw him substituted. whole team was dire apart from Tosun. Showed really good energy and got stuck in.

13 Jan 2018 19:45:36
Couldn't wait to see the back of RM. I kind of wanted RK to have the Jan transfer window to redeem himself for the dreadful summer transfer window and put his balls on the chopping block but his arrogance and inability to accept blame cost him and I don't think many of us were too upset when he got the boot. What I am struggling with now is people think Allardyce is a saviour. We are nowhere near out of trouble and we were very lucky in those games against RS, Chelsea, Newcastle and West Brom, very lucky, all of those could have been and probably should have been defeats. Today, last 15 minutes and he brings on Schneiderlin? What's the thought process there then? I think our Board need to take a lot of the blame for their choices and throwing money at a journeyman like Allardyce. I hope I eat my words and it all comes good but how can Martina start for a league one side let alone a Prem side? Think the Manager has 2 or 3 games left before he gets wholesale turned on. We spend hard earned money on this tripe and deserve at least some fight.

13 Jan 2018 20:06:41
BeStyrne, you're the only poster om here soo far that's given spurs any credit and a bit of realism. Spurs were on top form today, simple as that.

{Ed025's Note - very true ellis..

13 Jan 2018 20:13:49
If Big Sam hadnt of come in and got you those instant points you would of been in big trouble. I can't stand him but he is the right manager to 'steady the ship' for you.

13 Jan 2018 19:13:34
The Sam bounce well and truly over, embarrassing, and we’re linked with mediocre players like Walcott. Don’t see where the light at the end of this tunnel is. The individuals in this squad are strong enough to be doing better than this, so frustrating.

13 Jan 2018 19:24:46
You for real? Spuds just destroyed us and showed how much quality we lack still. Rooney is holding us back, no natural left winger or full back. Bolasie and macca still no where near fitness and struggled today, no depth in squad to really mix it up. The kids are all too young. We need a first team of 24-30 year olds, kids off the bench. Spurs showed us how far behind we are imo.

13 Jan 2018 20:22:10
Maybe put the monocle back in pal, said they are strong enough to be doing better, not beating spurs or winning titles. Hardly a ringing endorsement. You’re right, more than one unfit player is a luxury we can’t afford and better options on the bench. With more balance in tactics these players could be doing better (more competitive) in my opinion.

13 Jan 2018 18:14:51
It's apparent that martinez and Rooney are our weak link!

13 Jan 2018 17:55:06
Regardless of the outcome, only 20 minutes in and I'm already impressed with Tosun.

13 Jan 2018 18:32:26
Me too. Nothing spectacular but the signs are definitely there.

13 Jan 2018 17:31:07
be careful Swan they may start calling you what the call me.

13 Jan 2018 16:44:51
Like the look of macca and guaye in the centre, spuds hopefully won’t get much time in the middle with them 2 at them, bit of pace and aggression. Still don’t like Sig on the left, middle for me with a recognised winger. Please get rid of Martina, sick of watching him stroll whilst chasing back.

Coyb.

13 Jan 2018 15:08:09
are you about Grumpy mate.

13 Jan 2018 15:31:16
Yes mate,
Live chat not open until 4.30.

13 Jan 2018 15:42:27
ok mate speak to you later.

13 Jan 2018 14:39:59
Nice to hear on SSN, that they agree we have lacked pace and Walcott would be a good buy for us, just what most of us on here have been saying, at the end of the day that's not been hard to see, Yannick not up to speed yet Seamus still out and Lookman a good player not up to 90 mins in the premier, bring it on.

13 Jan 2018 15:02:18
Agree there Guernsey, Bolasie is getting there, lookman impact player off the bench, Lennon sub at best. Walcott I think can make us better let's see what happens we haven't got him yet.

13 Jan 2018 15:07:05
Lookman definitely a good player off the bench mate, fingers x for Walcott.

13 Jan 2018 13:32:26
Not been the game since SM came in . not a fan of his . but had to come back on here just to say Walcott would do for me can't understand the negative comments on hear for him.

13 Jan 2018 14:51:27
Good man Skylark. Nice to have you back.

13 Jan 2018 18:32:43
Seriously, took me 10 seconds to work out that Skylark's SM wasn't sado masochism then another 10 to realise that it well might.

13 Jan 2018 10:53:17
Walcott, typical Big Sam move almost over the top, buy for today's firefight don't be concerned about the future " I won't be there when the garbage I bring in need replacing" never left a club in a better position long term, never lays down long term plans.

13 Jan 2018 11:42:59
Then it’s a good job all transfers are through Walsh then. As has been said, both Sam and Steve have to be in agreement of a player before he’s signed. Walsh has already brought in plenty of future prospects so a bit of the here and now wouldn’t go amiss really.

13 Jan 2018 11:43:22
He's never bought a player of Walcotts quality in all his career.

13 Jan 2018 11:51:34
are you a Liverpool fan I haven't seen one pro Everton post from you I think Theo will be a great singing adding lots of pace to our attack maybe you need to start taking your valium again.

13 Jan 2018 12:06:56
It's also worth remembering, he left palace in a better position and no other England manager has a 100% win rate.

13 Jan 2018 12:37:35
So only buy for today? Why are we looking at the youngster at Charlton or the young Scottish lad so yes only looking for now! 🤦🏻‍♂️.

13 Jan 2018 12:56:09
How is Walcott a player for today not tomorrow he is 28 not like he's finished is it can't believe some fans.

13 Jan 2018 13:33:40
S&M Why is it that every other post you make you repeat yourself?
Enough of the Sam hate it's reached the stage of becoming very boring.

13 Jan 2018 13:52:44
Hey Grumpy mate good to hear you again mate, hows it going.

13 Jan 2018 13:58:35
I repeat because it's true and judging by some of the replies to my posts I have a great deal more knowledge about recent football history and the clubs Big Sam has managed, some of you need to check your history of his premier league and were they are know, and no need to be insulting, But " There are none so blind, than those who will not see" timer will tell.

13 Jan 2018 14:27:02
S&M why are you judging him on where the club's are now that he has managed?
Surely he should only be judged by where they were when he took over to where they were when he left, anything after that is irrelevant.
Do you know those stats in your infinite knowledge of recent history? I don't but I would be interested for you to post them.

13 Jan 2018 15:05:52
Here is a stat for you Smit mate.

Every single club Sam has ever managed has been a stronger side at the time he left.

13 Jan 2018 15:11:32
And here's a list of club's that were higher when he left than when he started.
Blackpool
Notts county
Bolton
Blackburn
Newcastle
West ham
Sunderland
Palace.

13 Jan 2018 16:25:25
I’ve said this before on here, SA takes over a team that is playing crap, as a manager he picks the team, sets the tactic and motivates them to play. All the crap players of the teams he takes over starts geting results and plays better. He leaves that same set of players for a new manager. These players start playing crap again and the following season are relegated. So if SA can get these players to play better, get results and stay up and the new manager (who also buys in the transfer window supposedly strengthening the side) gets them playing crap again and getting relegated, who’s fault is it?
Wobble ya head mirrors, it’s not rocket science.