Everton Banter Archive August 13 2012

13 Aug 2012 22:04:02
racking me brains for a good cheap rw , Dos Santos? whats he worth? could moyes get more out of him than arry did?

Seems a bit too lightweight to me, and doesn't appear to be the sort of player that would put a shift in, or at least track back.

Personally I quite like him but I can't see it happening

TJ

I dont think he is light weight I believe he could do similar job as piennar on the opposite flank.
Robbie

13 Aug 2012 21:50:41
oh already people writing everton off allready you wil see wen we winn da legue and ppl tke notike

13 Aug 2012 21:45:20
i would like to see zaha and phillips sign with the rodders money

13 Aug 2012 21:38:41
And the big surprise is....there is no surprise....why am I not surprised

I know it's suprising how un-suprising that suprise was

paddock toffee

13 Aug 2012 20:55:03
Ed do you really think we will have any new players by the time we play Man Utd next week?stefc {Ed025's Note - i think we will ste..

13 Aug 2012 20:23:38
Ed what do you reckon will happen from now to 31st August? {Ed025's Note - i think i will have drank 70 pints of lager, smoked 540 ciggies, and had sex 3 times..

That's a bit optimistic! 3 times??

DBEFC {Ed025's Note - i am taking viagra..

Ed are you my wife??? {Ed025's Note - you wish!..

70 pints of lager - that's a stiff drink. Smoked 540 ciggies - you'll end up a stiff. Need Viagra for sex - that'll give you a....you get my drift :-)
WonHungLo {Ed025's Note - headache?...lol

Sounds like a normal saturday night in the grafton!
ste c {Ed025's Note - not the grafton i used to go to ste..

Ed if you're going to put music on while having sex, put on a live album. That way you get applause every few minutes.

13 Aug 2012 19:13:01
Any news yet on what the announcement BK was going to release today. IMWT {Ed025's Note - no mate..

Jordan Rhodes not in the huddersfield team tonight..........maybe ?

He's a boyhood Celtic fan - and has been linked with a transfer to them - but not being cup-tied in the League Cup is interesting.
WonHungLo

He is with the Scotland squad. Naimsith is there aswell so he should tell him to come

TonyEFC

13 Aug 2012 18:41:08
If I were Moyes i'd go out and get Xabi Prieto from Real Sociedad, we've been linked with him in the past and he'd be a great new number 10 for us, can play Rm and Cm, skilful, very much like Arteta. Although I have no idea how much he would cost. And with what ever is left go and get Donovan back, he's contract is up in June and he'l be cheap. And although people may not agree with me I wouldn't mind Owen, but only on a pay as you play deal, he'd be good cover for Jelavic (when he's fit).
Toffeepidge

13 Aug 2012 17:51:14
please correct if i am mistaken, but weren't city looking around 10 million for A. johnson? That would be a bargain of someone of his age,quality and experience (regarding we did just recieve 15m for rodwell.) With Moyes at the helm i'm sure he could bring that figure down as well. just a thought rather then going for a loan and a short term fix. With sinclair agreeing personal terms apparently, the door could be forced open by mancini.
cheers, kp

13 Aug 2012 17:19:41
whoever was negotiating the Rodwell deal for Everton wants sacking. A young marketable England international we should be talking at least £20mill.
Sorry but our club is being run into the ground by amateurs.

Haha, what are you on about rodwell wasn't worth 12million in the first place let alone 20, i think whoever was behindnthis deal needs a raise!
EFL

20m are you real. He has not been anything special nor shown signs of improvement...thats when hes not injured. Absolute belting bit of business by our club to sell him for anything over 10m.

PTF

13 Aug 2012 16:46:20
Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton and Wolves have all expressed an interest in victor, would snach the hand off the first one to offer over 4m.

People get on his back too much, he does frustrate me but he's a good striker to bring off the bench, but like you say, £4million and he's theirs

Victor is quality as a super sub... strong, pace and bags of energy...

CP

Who is THAT victor ?????

13 Aug 2012 16:31:41
I'm sat in work bored out of my head,just started thinking about the amount of home grown players we've sold in the last 15yrs either for big money or they've just gone on to have decent careers, ball, dunne, jeffers, mcann,vaughan,rooney,a gerrard, david fox, now rodwell only hibbert and osman have stayed, can anyone think of anymore, but I don't hold out much hope of keeping barkley. {Ed025's Note - there is only rooney and ball there, who could be classed as great..

Dunne has had a better career than Ball ed... Hands down. Ball was not even close to Baines.. {Ed025's Note - sorry mate..i was thinking alan ball..

David unsworth was sold and brought back,and ed i think dunne has had a pretty good career.
ste c {Ed025's Note - hardly a great player though ste..

You cant argue this point as most of them are woeful those ones were released. Ball was greedy for money not success, Jeffers was the same only Rooney left to win things and to be honest he kept the club alive with his transfer fee

Maybe not a great player ed but the lad only asked about players going on to have a good careers, and i think hes had a good career.
ste c {Ed025's Note - mediocre for me ste..

Its a fact that more top flight footballers are from Merseyside then anywhere else in Great Britain, and the majority of them would have came out of Everton or the sh*te...

13 Aug 2012 16:11:02
that's a ridiculous thing for him to say - given that he wasn't good enough to get in our first team - he was behind Fellaini and Gibson in midfield - and Pienaar on the left is better than him - in fact most of Everton's team is now better than Rodwell - all he ever seemed to do is pass the ball sideways with shortish distance passes of maybe 5-10 yards

apart from the United goal I don't remember him doing anything of note for a few years now - centre mid has got to be doing a bit more than passing the ball off immediately to others all of the time {Ed025's Note - i cant argue with that mate..

13 Aug 2012 14:57:28
Who has better potential, Rodwell...or Barkley?
Personally I think Barkley

EtidAaron

Neither as Round and Moyes prefer Neville.

Barkley anyway of the week, if you had asked me 2 years ago I would have said rodwell, Mancini must have seen something in rodwell to spend 12million on him
EFL

13 Aug 2012 13:42:01
----fox----

How many times must i tell ye, Matt Phillips will be signed

Don't think he's good enough. Struggled to get into the blackpool squad and was loaned out to Sheffield Utd.

Fox I hope you're right but where are you getting this info from? With the exception of the peanuts deal, alot of our deals are quick with little press speculation this has been going on forever, next the castignos will be signing for us lol MAC

13 Aug 2012 13:33:38
Everton maybe getting Johnson on loan after all.

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/908384-everton-leapfrog-liverpool-in-adam-johnson-loan-race

Good bit of wheeling and dealing Moyes
Fingers Crossed,

Leon Finch

13 Aug 2012 13:21:50
Man city have also made an offer for jags, rejected, but if the offer is upped, who knows !

13 Aug 2012 12:57:31
possible squad next week :

outs:
cahill 1 million

yobo 2 million

rodwell 12 million

heitinga 5 million

ins:

pienaar 4.5million

johnson loan

cardozo 12 million

toure 5 million

squad

gk: howard

rb: distin

cb: jagielka

cb:toure

lb: baines

cdm: fellaini

lm: pienaar

rm: johnson

cam: naismith

st:cardozo

St: jelavic

If moyes plays that expansive a system I'll eat my hat! Looks a nice team though. Would cost us too much too. Moyes will pull some rabbits out the hat for us. Dunna worry about that!!
Sheffield blue

Distin right back!!!!!!! lol

I do not want Kolo

Bobcat

13 Aug 2012 12:46:13
We sell a player and the rumours go into over drive!
Personally I wouldn't care less if the dosh from Rodwell went to pay off our pathetic debt we got ourselves into to stabilise the club and make us attractive to investment in the near future and Moyes just brings in (for example) Micheal Owen(free), Manny Fernandes(free) and Adam Johnson on loan.

Squad would be decent and good cover everywhere apart from left back.

Mike

13 Aug 2012 12:38:58
My league table standings this year this is how the prem will look after 38 matches. 1city .2utd .3.Arsenal .4th.Everton .5thChelsea .6th spurs .7th Newcastle .8th reds***e going down Wigan Qpr Reading .Stef the blue

There's optimism and then there's insanity..

Murf

Swap Chelsea and arsenal!
Sheffield blue

United, city, arsenal, chelsea, everton, spurs, rs, newcastle

going down - villa, norwich, southampton

MAC

13 Aug 2012 12:13:10
Just think... With the Rodwell money, we could have another Fellaini! Or Landon. Or Cardozo. Or Rhodes. Or Holtby. Or Raul. Or anyone worth 17m or less.

JG

13 Aug 2012 11:59:53
I was reading on a website what rodwell had to say when he signed and he said that bill didn't want him to leave and the deal was going on for the last few weeks, keeping it quiet but now he is happy its all done.

Andy

13 Aug 2012 11:45:38
Got dead excited n didn't read further on, John Giudetti and Boyata possible loans as well. That would bulk out our squad and good competition aswell.

Leon EFC

13 Aug 2012 11:19:39
Mancini's comments are just goading Moyes into playing an open attacking game next season at ManCity - obviously Mancini did not like it when we parked the bus there last season and we nearly got a result from it - we may have a better team out next season though - and it might be him parking the bus!
Clozem

I think his comments have been taken out of context, why would he goad efc after just doing business with them and with the possibility of Johnson coming our way on loan, perhaps he meant playing to win trophies, there is a different type of pressure to win the league, champs league etc at city, English isn't his first language could just be a lost in translation type of thing

Maybe so, but its not the first time he's said snidey things about Everton. He hates to lose, and hasn't got the class to acknowledge good opponents.

13 Aug 2012 09:02:08
'It's the first time he will be in a club that plays to win and it will be different for him, but I'm sure that, in a couple of years, he will be a top, strong midfielder.'

Mancini on Rodwell .


Thoughts anyone ?

The one that immediately springs to mind is that Mancini is a d..k!!!

Kurajan

See the post at 11.04 nuff said

EFCwhitesocks

13 Aug 2012 10:37:01
The Michael Owen rumour may have some legs.

Unfortunately , Owen doesn't have any legs , not ones that work anyway .

13 Aug 2012 10:27:16
dunno why some people think we need more cm? we have felli, gibbo, leon, junior and barkley. heitinga and neville can. and those saying neville aint good enough?!?!?! let me remind people he was in the midfield in the game of last season at old trafford and dragged the team back after being 3-1 and 4-2 down. he also played cm in the last few games of the season when we started playing well. i keep saying it but it's about time our fans started supporting our team and our players instead of giving the club and players stick. everyone is entitled to their point of view but seem people don't seem to accept other's views and are too stubborn to listen to other people's views and accept them and maybe change their own opinion. a few months ago i was one of the kenwright hate club but after listening to people on here and thinking about it deeply, i agree that bk has done a great job in consolidating the club and is subject to some unfair criticism. i will get argued with on this post by some people unwilling to accept MY opinion

I know what your trying to say mate but say Gibson gets injured and Osman gets injured and Fellaini is banned for 3 games, what you think we would dominate games with two inexperienced players in the middle of the park?

Nothing like being negative. Neville could easily do a job for a few games to partner a younger player like barley or junior. and if it came to it so could jonny . even pienaar for a game with gueye on the left. but point taken i would rather see the money spent on a rm and back up striker myself

13 Aug 2012 09:30:12
Hey Ed's and everyone else I haven't posted for a while I've been flat out, i dont know if you remember me saying that i had an opportunity to work for Everton. Well I've actually signed an initial 6 month work contract with The mighty blues, a dream come true. I will be working on a promotional project along with Nike to build the clubs profile and will be based in the U.S and be aimed mainly at building our profile over there, hopefully with some help for Tim Cahill, Tim Howard and Landon. I spent 8 days at the club and was amazed how tight lipped they were over the future, transfers etc but I did hear about Rodders going, Tom Inces name was regularly mentioned and unfortunately the Owen thing seems to be happening. I know this info isn't unheard of and not really exciting but like I said its all hush hush, and first thing I had thrown infront of me was a declaration of confidentiality but I will keep everyone up to date with whatever I legally can.

A very excited SydneyBlue

13 Aug 2012 09:28:26
Hi its an LFC fan 'ere an I do want you to get Owen cos he is a decent player who looks like he could be a gos poacher for u next season.

Good luck for next season

Bonkers 1835

13 Aug 2012 09:21:24
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/manchester-city-sign-jack-rodwell-from-everton-8036661.html

Crumbs! Never saw that coming, thought it was well a blag! Bit sad cos I believe once fit he'll be a force, but alternatively, never fit, not yet convinced, good money and plenty of other options. Aaaaaah well.

13 Aug 2012 09:17:10
all respect i had for Roberto Mancini has gone out the window after his comments about rodwell joining his multi million pound squad “It’s a good player for our future. It’s the first time he is at a club that plays to win, and it will be different for him", very disappointing, mal,efc1974

13 Aug 2012 08:29:26
Sky bet have suspended the betting on who Michael Owen will sign for?

13 Aug 2012 08:17:05
can anyone clarify some things for me?

rodwells transfer fee?
how much do we get from it after the bank take their cut out of it?
mancini said the signing was pretty much done for weeks, so was money used to finance pienaar?
has michael owen signed?
are there any targets close or in talks? ( please nobody say holtby, defour, moutinho, etc etc all champions league players on big wages playing week in week out for these champions league teams, if holtbys dad wasnt a blue nobody would even dream of him)
is another striker being looked at?
is anichebe going?

scoober C

1)12 million (could rise to 17 mil with add ons)
2)No one knows except for Kenwright and Moyes.
3) I very much doubt it.
4) No, but strong rumours that he may do
5) Not that anyone is aware of. Few names being thrown about such as Holtby, Dempsey, Ince and Phillips
6) If you mean someone other than the supposed Owen, then I don't know.
7) Depends on the situation. If Wigan or someone else comes in with a decent offer (3-4mil) then I suspect he will go, otherwise he will stay)

Hope this helped.

13 Aug 2012 07:28:41
Good deal. Rodwell surplus to requirements with the emergence of Junior and Barkley.

I made up my about rodwell at anfield when spearing bullied him .for me just a tidy athletic player pick Barkley above him all day

13 Aug 2012 06:42:18
I think we should be very happy with the transfer window so far – my thoughts on why…
We finished last season with form and confidence, and the opinion around the traps was very clear... "Don't sell Baines or Fellaini, secure Pienaar on a permanent deal and try and bring in another striker". Since then, we have not sold Baines or Fellaini, however we have released or sold a few players on the cheap to free up expenditure on wages, such as Cahill, Yobo, Straquilursi, Drenthe, McFadden, Hahnemann. None of which contributed to the form of the team in the back end of last season. Players that we continued to wait-on to deliver something in the first team (Baxter, Wallace etc.) have been sold off with high return add-ons to give us at least a chance of future earnings.
We added a free agent in the form of Naismith, who has already shown he will be of significant value this season and secured Pienaar permanently. We have now cashed in on a player (Rodwell) who hasn't really contributed much yet, but plays in a position where we are well resourced with options. If even half of Rodwell's money can go into securing one/two first team quality players in positions where we are understaffed, then I think this transfer window will have been a significant step forward in the first team squad at the managers disposal, with youngers like Barkley, Junior, Duffy etc adding squad depth when required.
I watch the coming days with great anticipation. {Ed025's Note - cracking post mate..love it..

Top post mate. Couldn't agree more. I didn't want to sell Rodders just yet but I admit it's good business. If we get a good right winger I will be on cloud 9!!

COYB

Toffee ace

Great post mate. BSM

Yes more enthusiasm! Great youngsters, solid squad! Let's just hope we can get one or two more in!
Sheffield blue

Top post mate. Near enough exactly what I said last night to fellow blue's who were moaning last night on twitter!

MikeTheBlue

13 Aug 2012 02:20:50
owen by tomorrow? would take him hes proven good back upp at the very least COYB {Ed025's Note - not for me..

13 Aug 2012 01:16:25
Can't believe the people on this site...
Sold a 21- year old FULL ENGLAND INTERNATIONAL for a poxy 12-15m, When the RS spend that on Joe Allen!! Let's not forget Jordan Henderson and Downing....
Now everyone seems to be accepting of a RS MANC HAMSTRUNG MERCENARY HAS BEEN and you're trying to put a positive spin on it!
If we get to spend a third of that money I'll show my Arse in Lewis's window....
Dave M

I don't think this will make it past the Editor though!

What time and date can we expect to see you in Lewis's window pal ?

Total rubbish. Allen is proven quality - a player with real vision, hungry to accept the ball and has bossed games. Would have made a good addition to us. Agree with you however completely on Henderson, Carroll and Adam

13 Aug 2012 02:35:35
rodwell gone.. 3 names... landon, lewis, and... Denis! europe he we come!

13 Aug 2012 01:06:07
Big news for tomorrow Phil Neville another new contract!

13 Aug 2012 00:51:29
I'll get shot down for this I know but when you look at it in recent years so many good young players have come through into the first team and then seem to have gone backwards! I dont blame Rodwell for getting out. examples Coleman, Anichebe, Vaughan be sad to see Barkley go the same way. Moyes just doesnt seem able to bring them on!

Sorry but I disagree, of the players mentioned none have been good enough? Realistically apart from Rooney and maybe Lescott Which players that Moyes has gotten rid of have gone on to better things after leaving us? Moyse seems to know exactly when to get rid of players in my opinion.

Bluestu1878

Can't bring them on??

Coleman was plucked for 50K and has even if he never gets any better, he still has been a great acquisition and you cannot find squad depth at that price anywhere. Ever think Coleman's shortcomings are about his decision making more than anything else?? Decision making takes years to develop if it doesnt come natural.

When we find a Coleman for 50k, or Vellios for 120k, you are obviously taking on a player where the magnitude of their potential is not universally agreed, otherwise you would not be able to get them for this money. Then we get them, they perform OK, but somehow its the coaches fault if they dont become Rooney??

Rodders has been hit by injury more than lack of ability. He is now caught in a congested midfield area against players with more 'standout qualities' rather than being a solid allround player.

If we could uncover one Coleman/Vellios every year, buy for nothing, use as a squad player for a few years and sell-on for 1-2Mn once they are surplus, and continue to bring through a potential supertar (Rodwell/Barkley) every 3 years for either lengthy first team runs or significant profits... then the staff are doing what they should be doing.