Everton Banter Archive July 12 2016

12 Jul 2016 22:50:15
not overly excited about the possible signing of rolan. for starters never heard of him and second his goal scoring record is poor. i hope roko realises this is everton and not southamton. if we are aiming to break into the top six we need to bring in quality and if he is only going to be a squad player then its a lot of money to shell out.

12 Jul 2016 23:21:02
Again, have you actually seen him play? You can't always judge based on stats. Iv gave various reasons behind that before.

Payet was not widely known before his final season before moving to West ham.

Griezman had a goal scoring record of around 1 in 4 before moving to Atletico.

There are countless examples of lesser known players moving on and becoming top players. There are also countless examples of players being considered average at one club but a top player at another.

I choose to have some trust in the club and the way it is now being ran. If they believe he is a good enough signing to spend that kind of money, then that's all I need.

12 Jul 2016 23:51:49
i don't need to have seen him play. his goal scoring stats are poor.

13 Jul 2016 00:54:40
He faired alright in Grange Hill did our Rolan, give the lad a chance.

13 Jul 2016 06:48:54
Vardy, Mahrez both virtually unknown before last season. Look how that went for them. You can't write off players just because you haven't heard of them or they have a poor goal scoring record.

In that case there would be no new players improving. Players are constantly improving and making a name for themselves. You only have to look at our own signings to see that. Jags, Baines, Stones and Barkley all more or less unknown before making a name for themselves at Everton.

As I said if we sign just one Vardy or Mahrez this summer that will do me.

13 Jul 2016 06:54:07
RoyalPaul, who is it that you want us to sign then?

13 Jul 2016 07:59:57
How much did Payet cost and anyone think he was a world beater 12 months ago, also like NB said Vardy, Mahrez, Kante too, Danny Drinkwater (Man Utd) reject, list is endless, Ron will get us some decent players.

13 Jul 2016 11:16:05
From what i know of the lad he played a mirallas-esc role of playing on the wing and being able to play up top. he's versitile and let's be honest if you are going to look for stats how do they display his effect on the game?

he may have played a striker but made every single opertunity allowing players to whip balls in or dragging defenders away to make space for team mates.

i haven't seen the player so i can't say for sure but you can't base it on his stats. Take Niasse, proven goal scorer and possibly best player is Russia last season/ start of this season. based on his STATS he knows where the goal is. yet he's seen as a donkey for us?

as mentioned above and all over the sight, if RK thinks he's the right man then we will simply have to trust his judgment and support the team

COYB.

12 Jul 2016 21:35:19
Not transfer related, just interested in others views really. What's the deal with this hide and seek game with the new kits year in year out? We're now treated to a 'taster' of the new away kit, prior to its official launch. Why can't they just launch them altogether and stop all the dicking around? It seriously grits my s*it. It'll be rubbish anyway.

12 Jul 2016 22:03:38
No hope for u Blue tone, u tried Prozac mate, its just a game mate.

{Ed002's Note - Sorry, Prozac is moving to Inter Milan.}

13 Jul 2016 00:59:39
Why don't we strike a new deal and start our new shirt sale May to end of April, the team always wear the new shirt on the last home game, this is normally a sell out, so think how many new shirts the shop could bring in as revenue if we did this instead of fannying about until the Summer holidays.

12 Jul 2016 20:15:49
6 players i reckon. lukaku leaves=2 strikers, stones leaves=1 defender, right back, left midfielder, creative midfilder. don't have a clue with the strikers. not many good enough out there or there stupid prices. what strikers would you lot like? iheanacho would be nice (got no chance) , sneaky little bid for januzaj might be a good move.

12 Jul 2016 20:24:59
Lukaku isn't leaving Dazza, guaranteed mate.

12 Jul 2016 18:12:33
I really do think every 1 needs to calm down about signing players. I've been guilty of it myself to a certain extent but some of these divys tweeting koeman and the everton page giving them abuse need to do 1. I've realised koeman has stated he will look to sign players after he has had a chance to assess the squad properly. He doesn't strike me as some one who talks shite so that is what's going to happen. Expect movement next week when there back from Austria until then every 1 needs to chill out.

12 Jul 2016 18:34:22
Strange really that the only position we definitely have to fill before the squad is assessed is the GK and those rumours have dissapeared.
Does anyone think maybe koeman is waiting for city to buy another keeper with us getting Hart and Stones going in the other direction.

12 Jul 2016 19:03:51
I seriously hope not. And I wouldn't think so. One of koemans best trait as a coach is his teams don't concede many from set pieces. Hart is week at set pieces so it doesn't make sense for me.

12 Jul 2016 14:56:17
We are, it would seem, in for a striker who, last season, scored 10 goals from 42 games. With the greatest of respct, this does not get the pules raceing, there are any number of striker available with much better goal scoring recordes, unless they are willing to take kone in part exchange, this is one rumour i would willingly see slip though our grasp.

12 Jul 2016 15:43:37
To be fair, players can't always be judged on stats. Was he played in the correct position? Was the style of play suited to him? Did he have the players around him to get the most out of him? Did he have any niggling injuries or personal issues? If the club have identified him as someone they want then I'm happy.

12 Jul 2016 15:55:37
I liked the guy who played for Valencia Gameiro, always ready to receive the ball, dribble, run into spaces, decent finisher and nippy as well.

12 Jul 2016 17:27:13
Gameiro plays for Sevilla but yes I agree we should be looking at him, I'm fairly sure he scored quite a lot of goals for them this season.

13 Jul 2016 01:12:41
Oops Sevilla, god knows why I putValencia, yeah he seems to have the lot, never stops running, I would take him any day of the week.

13 Jul 2016 01:19:44
Just checked Gameiro tranfer value, his market value is £12.65 million, got to be worth a punt, he's 29 so will get some years out of the guy.

12 Jul 2016 14:20:54
Good luck to Ledson Kenny and Connolly playing in the u19 championship for england.

Hope they get more of a go than our boys did in the seniors.

12 Jul 2016 11:49:51
Rk is 10/ 1 not to be our manager at the end of season (very short that - can't see him going anywhere for at least 2/ 3 years) and he's 25/ 1 to be sent to stand during a league game with the reds next season. Doesn't seem to be an aggressive manager so don't think that's going to happen.

12 Jul 2016 11:21:13
Not sure if this has been mentioned but we'll done to our great club for naming stands after Howard kendal and Sir Philip Carter. Gladwys st to be kendal stand and park end named after Carter. Nice to see us recognise the achievements of these two stalwart evertonians.

12 Jul 2016 10:38:25
This is a bit of a ramble on a topic I've raised before, but please bear with me.

On the assumption that Brexit is actually carried out - in one form or another - there is likely to be a severe restriction on the freedom of movement for EU nationals wanting to work in the UK
That probably means that UK clubs won't be able to bring in EU footballers unless those players meet stringent qualifying standards (e. g. established internationals, etc. ) like non-EU players currently have to. It would seem likely that those EU players already here would be exempt and only newly incoming players would have to "qualify" after Brexit. The same would probably apply to managers, coaches, sporting directors, etc. Goodness knows what happens to Irish players and, if they become independent, players from Scotland.

UK clubs - at all levels - have recruited widely within the EU because the non-UK players have cost lower transfer fees. These players are also (imho) often technically better than homegrown players. The quality of foreign coaches has also been proven in the English Premier League and elsewhere.
Lower league - and even top-tier - UK clubs are demanding ludicrously high fees for average players, while the players (and especially their agents! ) are wanting massive wages and bonuses and signing-on fees. That's why imho so many clubs go for players from abroad instead.
With the EPL awash with television money - and with the clubs chasing a finite pool of quality players - we're likely to see transfer and wage inflation running rampant - notwithstanding financial fair play regulations.
Foreign clubs, agents and the players increasingly see the EPL as a cash cow where huge fees and wages can be wrung from desperate UK clubs that have money to burn.
Also, if UK clubs are restricted in bringing players in from the EU, then the best (and the bang average! ) UK players will become even more expensive. While the television money is there, all well and good, but without the best players (UK, EU and world) would the EPL be as attractive to television companies? Does that lead to a downward spiral?

Also, what if a Europe-wide club super-league (as is being mooted) is formed? What happens to the clubs left out - will they still get television money for what could well be a national league that's inferior to the super-league and could they still attract top, players? Would UK clubs in the super-league have to permit free movement of players (subject to transfer fees, etc. ) within the super-league and how would that square with UK post-Brexit law?

Thanks for reading to the end :-)
Thoughts anyone?

12 Jul 2016 13:40:13
couple of positives though Sid

1. At least the EU players that do come in should be decent quality as they will all be Internationals

2. There is hidden talent in this country waiting to be unleashed, look at Vardy, this will enable us to do it.

12 Jul 2016 00:22:35
Further to my earlier post about the two aged-over-21 players not going to the Austria training camp, I see from the official club website that McAleny is actually going to the U21 training camp in Spain. No mention of the other aged-over-21 player - Rodriguez - in either training squad. Don't know where that leaves his future with the club.
Alongside McAleny, the U21 training squad has 20 other young players. Among those are Charsley, Dyson, Gray, Griffiths and Robinson, which must mean they've taken up the renewed contracts that were offered according to the recent retained/ released lists. As Grant is at the Austria training camp, he too must have taken up the renewal offer. That just leaves Tyrone Duffus as one who was offered renewed professional terms, but isn't included in either training squad.
Not sure why Henen, Holgate or Williams (and a few others) aren't in the U21 training squad - although Williams is coming back from serious injury. Maybe there'll be quite a few U21 players sent out on long-term loan this coming season.
By the way, our two recent U21 signings - Sambou and Renshaw - are in the U21 training squad.
Connolly, Kenny and Ledson are going to be with with the England U19 squad, so that's why they're omitted.
It'll be interesting to see which players are moved on (permanently or on loan) - and who comes in during the transfer window.

12 Jul 2016 08:27:48
According to the Everton website Rodriguez is with the seniors in Austria Sid.

12 Jul 2016 09:27:21
Kenyan_Toffee: thanks for the info. My original post was based on the Echo website, which listed just 23 players, while the official club website hadn't yet listed the players going to Austria.
Of the 23 players named by the Echo, two (Browning - who's been injured - and Walsh - who's with the U21 training squad in Spain) are omitted from the club's list for Austria, while four others (Henen, Holgate, Jones G. and Rodriguez) are included in the list of 25 names given on the club website.
I hope I've got it right this time ;-)