Everton Banter Archive March 11 2018

11 Mar 2018 20:34:56
Happy Birthday Tommy you were a nutter, (worth a lot of Dosh now)

11 Mar 2018 20:23:27
Think we are all at the point where we want to see Big Sam move on, and bring in Fonseca and he can bring Bernard with him who I believe we were interested in at the start of Koemans reign.
Granted Fonseca doesn’t know the premier league yet but neither did Mourinho nor Pep, Arsene didn’t when he was brought in, Conte is another example and so is Pochettino. The thing is these guys have a style and have the personnel to play the way they want so again I am left wondering if it’s player recruitment?
We signed Martinez Koeman all with premiership experience and it didn’t work out.
We need to stop thinking it’s about premiership experience what we need is a manager with the right footballing philosophy to match what we crave getting us results and entertaining us, a tall order! The premier league experience will come.
I think also one of the Ed’s pointed out that some managers in the past like Ferguson freshened things up with new coaching staff to adapt to the way the game would change.
Let’s see what the summer brings and hopefully we move in the right direction 💪.

{Ed002's Note - Bernard won't be moving to Everton I am afraid.}

11 Mar 2018 21:31:30
I know, why would he! Be nice if he did though 😍.

12 Mar 2018 14:42:17
Ed002 - Is Fonseca a realistic possibility in the summer? I’ve heard one or two rumours that he’s very much in the frame.

{Ed002's Note - He is a possibilty but he will be deciding carefully about his future and others are also interested in him.}

13 Mar 2018 07:42:33
Thanks Ed.

11 Mar 2018 14:36:35
Just watching the Arsenal Watford match and have to say the results yesterday and today so far have been really good to us, along with our win yesterday all of a sudden the outlook is rosy, almost safe a couple more points just to make sure, and one of the biggest decisions for Mr Moshiri will have this summer will be whether to hold on to Big Sam or not, i personally think there will be a new man brought in, same result next week lads please.

11 Mar 2018 17:22:25
I am feeling the same way, but who would be the right man, I no this fonseca sorry about spelling, but he's another with no premier experience, I would like someone who knows the league, personally the one who stands out is Benitez for me, then Silva, I think Silva could be good and we have seen what he can do, I think once he said he wanted to come to us he lost the dressing room and results at Watford started to drop, Benitez has what it takes and has been a top manager and think given the chance would drop Newcastle with everything that's going on there,

11 Mar 2018 17:30:10
Dont want to get too carried away. We need an away win next week to show we are moving in the right direction. Stoke are poor so a win is what should expected with a more balanced side.
A home win against a poor Brighton was much needed.

11 Mar 2018 17:55:57
Can’t see why we would even consider keeping him based on one game. A game it has to be said was still poor, and no where near the level we should be at. As for new manager, I just want someone who has a winning mentality, and is not scared to play attacking football. Oh and that’s not Sam.

11 Mar 2018 18:37:37
Dare I say Enrique or Simeone, i know just dreaming but would be perfect.

{Ed002's Note - Zero chance.}

11 Mar 2018 19:12:02
I think the damage is done Woburn. Even if he beats city and the RS he would struggle to win back the fans.

11 Mar 2018 19:22:30
I know Ed only dreaming mate.

11 Mar 2018 19:38:22
Trouble is fellas like it or not Big Sam was brought in to do a job, and that was primarily to save us from the drop, and he has done exactly that, and I am sure Mr Moshiri will also see it like that, i don't think he will rush into sacking anyone, only my opinion though.

{Ed025's Note - it does seem like job done GB, thank the guy for his services and move on i say mate..

11 Mar 2018 19:44:15
Totally agree ed, he did what was asked, shake his hand, give him the big fat check he's happy we are happy, then get the new guy in.

{Ed025's Note - exactly simon..

11 Mar 2018 19:45:03
Think you are right mate, i would agree with that.

11 Mar 2018 20:43:15
Wenger or Rafa would be good choices, but I am still not convinced S.A. will lose his job before December.

11 Mar 2018 20:58:27
I can't see Moshiri wanting to find another manager part way through a season. The decision in the summer will be for the rest of next season, Allardyce or not?
And I honestly don't think he will want to watch another season of the dross being served up.

11 Mar 2018 22:16:21
I can only hope your right Smit.

12 Mar 2018 08:28:06
I am not saying that Sam should go or stay. But I would point out that 2 of our best recent signings are Walcott and potentially Tosun (although time will tell more on him) . Half of the players that Martinez signed have already been moved on. The rest look bang average (although Lukaku was a class signing) . Most of Koeman's signings have just not worked out well at all when you consider the amount of money he splashed out. Most was on established players for both Martinez and Koeman. eg Williams, Keane, Cleverley, Klaasen, Schneiderlin, Bolasie. Add to this, players who maybe were not established but we expected big things from: Besic, Vlasic, Niasse. Yes I would say most are ok players. but not ones to set the world alight. Sam Allergy might not be the guy for us. I accept that. but looking at players we have signed in the last 5 or so years and our record is poor. At least Walcott looks class and from what I have seen of Tosun, I think there is more to come. and they are big Sam signings.

12 Mar 2018 08:55:57
Spot on degsy mat.

12 Mar 2018 11:40:24
Thing is degsy, regardless of Sam being manager we still would have signed Walcott and Tosun as Steve Walsh the DoF is responsible for recruitment not Fatman Sam.

12 Mar 2018 12:01:14
I'd have Barry the manager at the local Nisa over Sam next season.

There was a poll mentioned on talk sport yesterday from another site (Can't remember which one) and 95% wanted Fat Sam out.

If the club want to fill a 60k stadium then Moshiri will know it has to be without Sam. Otherwise he can save himself a few bob a build a stadium half the size.

12 Mar 2018 12:12:56
You guys might well be right with your opinions about Sam. like I said, I am in the middle. but I do feel he is being blamed for previous mistakes. and one thing that really does bother me is that I know that sometimes a change of manager does sometimes give a club a boost and upturn in results temporarily, but I also know that clubs that hire and fire and make many changes in a short period of time tend to end up in the Championship. If we sack Sam and get another in at the end of the season, that will be: Moyes, Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce and another in about 6 year time span. Look at other clubs who have done that!

12 Mar 2018 19:52:00
If you've made a massive mistake and then continue with that mistake then it doesn't fix anything Degsy.

This next appointment has to be the right one. Hopefully, this one will be one made with careful consideration and thorough analysis rather that a frozen panic decision.

12 Mar 2018 21:13:16
We have only employed 4 managers in 16 years maybe soon to be 5, we're not exactly trigger happy. Yet!

If Allardyce wanted a long term project he should have insisted on a 3 to 5 year contract or walked away.

Personally I think all parties entered into this appointment with the realisation it could be a short term fix.

12 Mar 2018 23:20:08
I think that's spot on Smit.

11 Mar 2018 05:44:22
{Ed's Note - Tris Burke has posted a new article entitled, Premier League Match Preview Sunday 11th March 2018

11 Mar 2018 00:11:57
I don't know weather sam will be at goodison next season, but even if he is not, everyone should kiss the ground he walkes on.
He has saved us not just from relegation, but saved the dream. without prem status, their would be no money for a new ground, big players, and a return to our place at the top table of british football.
I hope everyone takes a good look at Leeds, 17 years now just trying to get back in the prem, never mind it's top table.
If you do leave, thanks sam, no the football was not pritty, but you saved us to fight another day.

11 Mar 2018 06:47:59
Personally I don't think we would have gone down under either Koeman or Unsworth. As for kissing the ground he walks on, no thanks I'll leave that to you.

11 Mar 2018 06:52:12
Yes we should be safe, but that's more out of luck and piss poor performances by the teams below us than anything Sam has done. If a handful of those teams had performed better we would still be in it right up to our necks. Our away performances, when we have been set up to be Ultra defensive - by Sam - have been abysmal. His team selections and tactics have been baffling at times. His insistence on picking certain players despite them being clearly out of form has cost us valuable points. Fair enough he was brought in to do a job, and more out of luck than great leadership it looks like that's been accomplished, but kiss the ground he walks on? do me a favour.

11 Mar 2018 08:30:43
I think the truth lies somewhere between guys. It is true our defensive performances were dire for a while and are still not great. But Sam has improved our home record compared to earlier in the season. Tosun is starting to look pretty good. As is Walcott. Both excellent signings in my view.

11 Mar 2018 09:54:53
You don't have to play utter rubbish to be safe. Yesterday for an example saw us with more attacking players on the pitch than any other game this season. DING! and we won.

I hope to God this guy is gone soon and we get someone in who doesn't take 20 games to realise if you play with attack in mind you get bloody results.

11 Mar 2018 11:59:14
Problem we had is we were leaking far to many goals, so the first thing it to try and plug those wholes, which means more defensive players, yes it's not pretty but it's got us the points and we are now looking like we are safe, do we want to be playing like this next season, NO, Is Sam the right manager, No, but he came in to save us, let's not all sit there thinking we were to good to go down because we aren't, we invested in players like a kid who's been given £20 to go and buy what ever he wants from a sweet shop, and to be honest most of those player were rubbish, Sam has bought Walcott and cenk, which look very good signings, he cannot be blamed for what keoman brought in, what would you have done different, or any other manager, i'd rather be playing crap this year and be in the premiership next season, we need to look beyond Sam for the reasons why we were so close to going down, look at stoke And WBA, that could be us, give Sam a bit a slack he has made us safe and that was his job, all those who think we are up there with the big boys yet are fools, and really the ones shouting the loudest ever time we play bad, as far as I can see we owe Sam thanks, we could of had some one like WBA Manager and we would be down. We all get upset when we lose, but there's a reason, we haven't got players that are good enough yet, I hope next season we can get players in to compliment the ones we have.

11 Mar 2018 12:51:01
Good post Simon I for one agree with what you say.

11 Mar 2018 13:15:59
I think that yesterday exposed what has been wrong with the team and it should finally put to bed that nonsense about players not caring or trying. Yesterday there was a team with a left side out there and what a difference it made, both goals came down that side.
Previously we have been playing not the world's best right back at left back with an attack minded central midfield player in front of him. It was never a recipe for success. I am not Bolassie's biggest fan, I think he is a bit of a clockwork mouse, but he does know how to play wide.
Yesterday we put out a balanced side and whilst not fantastice, looked all the better for it.

11 Mar 2018 15:53:26
If we are to have a new manager next season, I hope he is known now and comes in at the end of this season and, not at the start of next season. We do not want another delay like we did with RK. A new man needs time with the players.

11 Mar 2018 17:31:05
Totally agree NickB57, the board had better sort out what they want to do now, and personally once we are safe, if Sam is going do it, say thanks get the new man in, end of season and break to find out what he needs on the player recruitment.

11 Mar 2018 20:05:25
Agree with the above posts. With it being a World Cup year pre-season will be tough as it is, so best to get the new manager in beforehand ideally to start planning.

12 Mar 2018 12:00:48
It's utter stupidity to think going defensive stops you from losing. Scoring goals and having players comfortable on the ball which creates ball retention stops you losing games.

Having a team full of defenders that don't have the confidence on the ball means, just like we have seen this season, you have little possession and very few chances on goal.

To think that this is the way to 'steady the ship' like Sam does only puts even more pressure on him and the team because you won't get the crowd on your side.

More evidence of how being defensive is the wrong way to go is down in London. Just take a look at the other Muppet Moyes and West Ham.

Just like Sam they're playing an out-dated style of play. Football has moved on. Hopefully, we will soon.