Everton Banter Archive February 11 2018

 

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11 Feb 2018 23:23:24
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11 Feb 2018 23:17:49
Grumpytoffee, welcome back mate. I enjoy both your and GB's contributions to this site. As for my self I have always tried to be positive when it comes to supporting Allardyce and his stafff. However this is a banter site and we all have our opinions. What we should all remember is that we are Evertonians and should not be abusive to each other. I do believe that it is wrong to be either supper supportive or drastically negative of any particular manager. Allardyce has been pretty good at getting us off the bottom of the table and results at home in particular have been very good. On the other hand our away results have been poor and the team selection at Arsenal was atrocious to say the least. To continually pick a totally defensive team for away games is not going to help us win more away games. The old saying that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result applies here. Let's hope that he has leaned a lesson and picks the same side that won against CP at Watford (well maybe with Jags instead of Williams) .

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12 Feb 2018 12:45:58
Very good post BlueMike and thanks for the welcome back.

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11 Feb 2018 23:02:47
{Ed's Note - punani gooner has posted a new article entitled, Arsenal Need a Revolutionary Head Coach

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11 Feb 2018 22:16:39
Hey Guys, I haven't posted on here for a while but if I could I would just like everyone's views on Cenk Tosun. I have just been on a social media site that reports he is our newest expensive flop, surely that is insanity when the kid has been here for 4 weeks. I haven't seen much football since Christmas so I just wanted to know what the Eds and fellow Evertonians thought.

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{Ed002's Note - He has only just arrived for gods sake.}

12 Feb 2018 01:19:10
I think Everton are destroying his confidence before he's had a chance. He seems like a good player but he needs game time. As does Klassen, as did Sandro, Lookmen etc. These players will only show their true ability with game time.

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12 Feb 2018 07:39:52
i honestly believe tosun is a bargain and will be our top scorer next season, he's no flop just comes down to the fact sam is playing 1 up top and right now you can't not play niasse as he fit the bill right now, he is pressing from the front making defenders make mistakes and scoring goals. that's not tosuns fault you just have to hope he takes his chance when he gets it.
i do think he is a top top striker and will be a very important player for us next season.

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12 Feb 2018 07:44:48
Like I said before. not only is the ink still wet on his contract. he hasn't even picked up the pen to sign it yet. Get real folks. He is probably learning needed shouts like, "Man on" before he is thrown in at the deep end in a relegation fight. Perhaps he doesn't yet know the names of his team mates? Mind you, the speed at which they are changing. neither do I!

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12 Feb 2018 01:33:43
Agree ed 02 he only just came and played 2 games equalling around 90 mins football it takes most players around 6 months to adapt. Just hope he given chance to adapt. Not like sandro klassen thrown straight into struggled both nearly went. Hopefully klassen gets chance.

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11 Feb 2018 19:30:10
Just been reading about Dowell. I have seen many of his matches but he seems to be getting a lot of stick.

Anyone seen him lately or know what's been going on with him?

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11 Feb 2018 20:00:54
Saw him play in a Cup match and he looked the real deal. The problem apparently is consistency or lack of.

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11 Feb 2018 21:32:22
Meant to say haven't seen many of his matches. By all accounts it's been since a change of manager. Hopefully, he can get through it and rediscover his form.

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11 Feb 2018 22:49:29
Too cocky and showboating. good stats but thinks he's Jimmy big potatoes. Not going down well with the locals also on and off the pitch.

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12 Feb 2018 07:43:05
i think he is too clever for his own good right now, he is a flair player and is trying too many little flicks and tricks that's why fans are getting on his back but you can't deny when it works he is special, consistency will come with games.
you didn't see the forest fans moaning earlier in the season when he was on fire when his skills where coming off.

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11 Feb 2018 16:47:08
This rumour should please a lot of posters on here, some rags saying Big Sam will be soon be planning for next season at Everton.

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11 Feb 2018 17:38:27
Please no. No no no.

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11 Feb 2018 17:41:07
He said yesterday that some things had already been penciled in for next season and once we are totally safe he will be penciling in a lot more especially regarding the comings and goings.

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11 Feb 2018 18:37:29
💊💉⚰️ I’m done.

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11 Feb 2018 18:58:14
Yes let's give him some more money because he has proven he is good when it comes to additions, let's see Tosun, doesn't get a game, isn't ready yet doesn't feature for the U23 either to give him minutes to get up to scratch, next in Theo, yes I'll let him off with that but realistically everyone knew he was going to be a good addition, and finally Mangala, enough said.
The rags are spouting contradictory stories and some saying the hierarchy are unhappy with our wasteful spending so luckily we don't believe what we read, Sam is a goner come the Summer.

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11 Feb 2018 19:23:56
You could be right mate, not sure myself depends what happens with the last run in of games I guess, but who knows.

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11 Feb 2018 19:29:08
Hopefully Grumpy his going and somebody else's coming :-)

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12 Feb 2018 07:46:57
i think if he gets 7th he should be given next season, realistically when he took over who thought 7th was realistic?
we all no am pro Sam but even the biggest "Sam out" fans have to admit he has performed amazingly well if we somehow get 7th and get Europa league next season, i think 7th and he has earned a chance to try from the beginning next year.

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12 Feb 2018 09:00:31
If he gets given next season (which he won’t anyway) then expect the same sort of season as this one my friends. Many a manager could of got 7th with the team we had when he arrived and the league from 7th downwards being so poor. We almost had 3/ 4 of the season left to play but everyone seem to hit panic buttons. However bad we’ve been this season Sam Alladyce is and never has been the answer. Knee jerk appointment who has already been found out. Let’s be realistic blues, he’s just won a game out of 6. I for one am counting down the days to the summer when we can clear this mess up. Sam Alladyce, Manager of Everton = Shocking.

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11 Feb 2018 11:25:46
Hi Ed 025 good morning mate, now that the dust has settled on yesterdays excellent win what's your take on the rags this morning saying we will be getting rid of Big Sam in the summer and we are still interested in Foncesca from Shakhtar have you heard anything, also being brought up now is that Mr Moshiri is not happy with Cenk Tosun and many of our recruits Keane also being mentioned and he is looking at revamping the whole of the backroom management staff Walsh included, seems a mighty big step I know he wants the best for our Club, just wondering if there is something going on or its just the papers printing the usual rubbish, cheers mate.

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{Ed025's Note - for me GB chairmen should keep their noses out over the playing side, fonseca was a front runner earlier in the season but im not aware of any approach for him yet mate..

11 Feb 2018 15:49:24
Cheers mate.

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11 Feb 2018 19:56:03
There is not a lot Moshri can say on Tosun to be fair, seeing as it was himself and Walsh made trips to scout him in the champions league. But the situation is quite ridiculous when the lad isn't even getting game time with the U23's. 27 million wasted. For me heads need to roll in the Summer.

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11 Feb 2018 14:32:56
Loving the happy site today winnable games coming up 6th is our for the taking if arsenal slip up haha am knly mesing before i get attacked by the nay sayers haha 7th is respectable tho after the start we had and i honestly think we will get it COYB IFSWT.

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11 Feb 2018 13:42:22
{Ed's Note - shawthing has posted a new article entitled, Complications with a European Super Champions League

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11 Feb 2018 14:07:09
Football has turned into a more fluid version of chess. A european super league would be extremely successful, but the essence of the game will be lost, it will only be a shallow reminder of the excitement and passion the game once brought. Dissapointing really, one can only hope that a few "top" managers will relish the challenge to develop a team in the lower leagues into a superpower. but that's too idealistic i suppose.

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11 Feb 2018 17:41:23
The only people the European super league would benefit would be the greedy players and agents who are already bleeding the sport dry.

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{Ed002's Note - And the fans who want it. And the sponsors of course. You do realise that this is fundamentally no different to what the Premier League did?}

11 Feb 2018 18:45:27
Absolutely, and look at how poor that is. More and more empty seats, even City the best team by far can’t fill there ground. As for the fans wanting it, really? It’s those same fans getting priced out of football. I go and watch Nice every now and again, costs me around 10 to 15 quid. Not the 60 to 70 quid it costs me here.
If that happens in Europe the league will be like the league stages in the Champions league. Bloody pointless and boring.

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11 Feb 2018 18:11:16
The premier league was just a rebranding ans sponsorship of division 1. Would the European super league take the place of the champs league. I thought it was more of a move away for the top clubs from their domestic leagues and champs league?

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{Ed002's Note - The premier league took all of the sponsorship money away - hence the original comment.}

11 Feb 2018 18:55:35
Absolutely Ed. But there are possible scenarios that do weigh on both sides of the discussion. eg When Wimbledon morphed into MK Dons. ie moving for a bigger fan base. In theory Man City (for an example I pick them) could see that when a European League is formed, they would be better off located in say Paris or another European city. this could apply to Man Utd, Liverpool or anyone. The traditional club side of the game would be lost. It is slowly evolving anyway. I understand that. but unless there are specific rules about location that I don't know about it is possible. Certainly the Premier League benefitted the 20 teams in it and the Champions League benefitted the ones in that. Certain clubs managed to find other investment prior to the formation of the Financial Fair Play rules. Chelsea stick out most to me. but then the Financial Fair Play rules were introduced when a "top 4" had already been established. Thus preventing other clubs doing it in such a quite decadent way. Grass roots football and lower league clubs have sort of had a small benefit, but the monies involved in the Premier League are quite disgusting. I don't know the answers to these problems, but am pretty sure a European League will come and it is almost cartel like.

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{Ed002's Note - They are not franchises, that is not actually possible and no one is looking to do it. You perhaps want to read up on FFP.}

11 Feb 2018 11:38:26
{Ed's Note - LFCTexas has posted a new article entitled, I would be a massive proponent of a legitimate Champions League

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11 Feb 2018 08:43:45
Want to say a big well done to Martina. He was great yesterday and even contender for MOM. Good calm delivery for the goal. Got forward and pass success rate 83%. Got close to Townsend and even the crowd was on his side. He thrived off every cheer.

Same again Cocu. Keep up the good work.

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11 Feb 2018 09:18:52
Yeh mate full marks to him he's played out of position for so long, good play yesterday', well done to the whole team.

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11 Feb 2018 09:41:41
What a lovely change to come on here and see positive posts. Makes for a wonderful change. I realise people do and should voice their concern about things on here but at times it can get very overwhelming.

I'm not getting carried away from yesterday. Sorry Johny1989 below I do feel you are getting a little carried away even though I voted for 7th myself. We still have a long way to go.

Still nice to have a refreshing feel to these pages. I guess expectations have been raised. The team do have ability and we will improve. Just won't happen over night. Please people have faith in your club and give them encouragement. Everyone what's and needs it form time to time.

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11 Feb 2018 10:07:56
I think we're all a little bipolar on here at times NBTB. You've got a very calm positive outlook, much more rational than me. I can be rather impulsive (wife would argue) and frustration always gets the better of me.

You get some though that don't enjoy the success. Personally I forget all the bad stuff after a win. If he goes back to a Gana and Snids mid 2 I'll be livid again but it just shows who we are as a club. We want bravery and he produced that yesterday.

When the manager is positive, making the players go out and be positive and a good result, you can't help waking up with a big fat smile of your face.

So you, Johny, Guernsey and the like keep being the other side of reason.

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11 Feb 2018 10:18:10
What this season is telling us is, we don't have to improve massively to be able to have a nibble at the likes of arsenal for top 6.
A marginal improvement in away form would have us comfortably 7th and close to 6th. I'm not getting carried away but with the horror show that has been this season, we are 11 pts off 6th and that is bridged with a few away wins.

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11 Feb 2018 12:51:22
Its a balance thing. Sam up to now has been far to negative away from home, I suspect after his comments yesterday he will attempt to find that balance between not conceding and attack for the remaining away games.

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11 Feb 2018 13:16:38
At least we are looking up the table now rather than down! I am not sure we are anywhere near Arsenal and the top 6.but maybe with the maturity of a couple of youngsters and a couple of signings we can all hope. This kid in Belgium sounds like he has the lot. Lookman will hopefully come back and go straight into the first team and DCL too. let's even hope that Walsh does indeed have an eye on one or two other youngsters and we can push on. It will make it all the more enjoyable if and when we do.

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11 Feb 2018 13:18:41
Agree with you on that one. Big Sam does worry us Blues with his comments! Yes we have to win our home games. But what about the 4 or 5 thousand that go to the away games. I just hope the team has a go now at those games. Great performance yesterday by the whole team. Nice to see the positive comments.

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11 Feb 2018 15:40:29
Yes Martina did have a good game yesterday and showed he does have a left foot, that dinked cross was superb and shows that somewhere in there the bloke does have ability. Having said that though he does go missing positional wise and did the same yesterday. Mangala is just a mistake waiting to happen and have to admit it was chalk and cheese when Williams came on and actually slotted in well with Keane. Sigurrdson and Walcott seem to have a roving brief and it works. Rooney partnering Gueye should stay, Gueye broke up the oppositions play along with the buzzing Davies. Rooney controlled the game, in my opinion that is his ideal position now. All in all a very good day.

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11 Feb 2018 16:37:02
We are 5 wins below Arsenal with only 11 games left. Not a chance in my view. I can't see Arsenal losing half their remaining games and us winning all of ours. Can you?

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11 Feb 2018 16:49:18
We are not going to catch 6th. My point is, we finished 8 pts off 6th last season and could be closer this season if we can sort our away form.
We need to be addressing why we are so poor away from home if we are to break the top 6.

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11 Feb 2018 17:42:38
Do the sums Smit666. We are 11points below Arsenal = 4 wins. We would need Arsenal to lose 4 games and us win all of ours. We have Burnley, Stoke and Watford, Huddersfield, Swansea and West Ham away. and we have only won 1 away in 12 months. we also have Liverpool, Southampton, Newcastle, Man City and Brighton at home. Firstly there is zero percent chance of us winning every one of those games. and for every point we drop in that run in means Arsenal don't have to win a game in their run in. It is just too big a gap. If you believe we are in with a chance, I will give you 100 to one odds that we do not end higher than Arsenal. And I am only being cautious because of Leicester City 2 years ago lol!

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11 Feb 2018 17:45:41
Win one game and suddenly we're going to rocket up the league to challenge Arsenal? Love the comedy on this site.
Short term memory loss?

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11 Feb 2018 17:56:55
I don't think you understand what I am trying to say Degsy. We are trying to get nearer breaking the top 6 and this season we have a chance to be nearer come the end of the season. That is what I am trying to say.
I know we have no chance of catching arsenal but we have a chance of finishing 7th again and if we can finish nearer 6th than last year then it is progression.
Sometimes Degsy you need to read the post through 1st before replying. Rather than replying to what you think you've read.

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11 Feb 2018 18:36:21
No mate. I understand what you are saying. your words were to have a nibble at the likes of Arsenal for top 6. What my post says is that even if we win ALL of our games, then we will still need Arsenal to lose 4 of their 11. And if you think we have any chance of winning all of our remaining 11 when we have only won 1 away all season, then I think you are being "slightly" optimistic. I am happy we are looking just above us. but even thinking about getting near Arsenal is an impossibility.

They will probably win at least half of their remaining games if you look at their fixtures which will put them on around 60 points. Even if we win all of our remaining 11 games we will be on 67 points. that's a tall order even for Man City. never mind Everton. don't fall out with me though. looking upwards is better than down.

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11 Feb 2018 19:01:40
Read the 2nd post Degsy. We are not going to catch 6th. That is what I said to your reply. I am saying next season we need to improve our away record to get nearer arsenal, but this season we have a chance to be nearer than last season, and that would be progress. Your stats about what we will win I somewhat agree with. My post was about what we need to do next season mate.

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11 Feb 2018 19:12:10
What he's saying degsy is that we can finish closer this season to 6th than last year. Last year we were 8 points off 6th but this year could be 6 or 7 points from 6th. Still not 6th but closer.

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11 Feb 2018 20:27:12
Thanks blue John. That is what I was getting at.

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11 Feb 2018 21:48:10
Ah sorry guys. yes I understand now.

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11 Feb 2018 07:57:59
Spread the word that next time Morgan's name is announced. we will do what all Blue supporters have always done. give the lad a bit of support and confidence with a flipping great cheer. regardless of how bad he is. we at least want him with confidence and giving his all!

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11 Feb 2018 08:20:28
Well said degsy. That's the type of supporters we are. Even Marez didn't get what Snids did yesterday.

I'm not his greatest fan at all but we are better than that at Everton. Our belief we are the best supporters was questioned yesterday.

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11 Feb 2018 09:21:34
I reiterate what I said yesterday booing at players at any time is awful but to do it as the guy is about to come on is diabolical, he's got the Blue Shirt on for heavens sake.

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{Ed025's Note - i agree mate..

11 Feb 2018 10:27:28
I wasnt at the game yesterday, but I think the waters have been muddied by why everyone was actually booing. Was it at Schneiderlin, was it because Tosun wasn't coming on or was it because it looked like a defensive sub. Maybe it was a bit of everything. Personally I wouldn't boo but, supporters invest their money in this club through season tickets and I can understand their frustrations are probably at breaking point with Schneiderlin, if indeed that is what they were booing. We are all different and all show our emotions in different ways, especially during the game.

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11 Feb 2018 11:09:56
Well the remedy is a huge cheer for him next time. Spread the word.

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11 Feb 2018 11:13:11
You are right Smit mate good post.

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11 Feb 2018 11:51:43
Agree Degsy. And Schneiderlin can acknowledge that with a stellar performance.

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11 Feb 2018 13:00:48
Doesnt make sense. Yes he's been bad but coming on to those boos isn't going to help is it? Was embarrased to in the crowd at that point in time.

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11 Feb 2018 17:47:34
I will always cheer him, especially if he's only coming on for the last five minutes. 👍.

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11 Feb 2018 19:04:02
The boos were for the 3rd defensive substitution of the game, why not give Tosun 10 minutes when we are on the front foot and 3 goals to the good, I don't condone booing your own players and I didn't join in the boos, but I do feel it wasn't aimed at Schneids but more at Bisto for yet another negative substitution.

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12 Feb 2018 10:12:07
The boos were for the substitution, not for Schneiderlin. Everyone wanted to see the new striker we bought in January, instead we got to see one of our worst players again who seems to think he’s good enough to be playing for Barcelona! Again the boo’s were for the defensive substitution and not for the greatest player in the world himself 😂.

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Review Of The Day 11th February 2018

11 Feb 2018 06:00:26
{Ed's Note - Tris Burke has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 11th February 2018

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Premier League Match Preview Sunday 11th February 2018

11 Feb 2018 02:17:17
{Ed's Note - Tris Burke has posted a new article entitled, Premier League Match Preview Sunday 11th February 2018

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11 Feb 2018 01:37:34
I get the frustration we all have with him. But the booing was bad. Those who did basically told him he's not wanted here. He needs to be strong headed or stupidly obstinate if he's going to stay. He'll be gone in the summer. He's the same as Mirallas, sulky. He should buck his ideas.

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