Everton Banter Archive February 11 2016

11 Feb 2016 17:19:43
Firstly, let me say I hope we get new owners and that they bring success on and off the pitch to our club. I am a bit worried about how much expectation there is in terms of what these new owners might actually do if they buy Everton. Without wanting to burst the bubble of optimism, I drew up a list of clubs that were taken over by rich 'investors' since around 2000. I might have forgotten some but there are enough here to cause us to be a little more circumspect before getting the bunting out. The likelihood of investors building EFC a new stadium and also investing in the team is, on this evidence, pretty near zero. Most of the new owners who invested in the team took on clubs who had newish stadia already. Even some of those are now in a worse state than pre-takeover. Some of the info is hard to be definite about but by 'improvement' I mean is the club regularly finishing higher up the league; by 'success' I mean have they actually won anything more than they did before the takeover. Therefore, Manure can be counted as a failure even though they won the champions league since the Glazers took over because they are now clearly worse than they were before 2007. The only unequivocal successes on both counts (stadium and team) are Swansea, Watford and Tottenham (I'm not counting West Ham because them getting the Olympic stadium is too unjust to be credited) . Optimism by all means guys - let's just not expect the impossible and then moan when our expectations aren't met.

Arsenal, Kroenke/ Usmanov (16.7 billion) - stadium: already built; team: undecided
Aston Villa, Lerner (800 million) - stadium: failure; team: short-term improvement, long-term failure
Birmingham, Yeung (150 million? ) - stadium: already built; team: failure
Blackburn, Rao family (1 billion? ) - stadium: already updated in 90s; team: failure
Bolton, Davies (50 million) - stadium: already built; team: short-term improvement, long-term failure
Bournemouth, Demin (100 million) - stadium: already built but still needs development for prem; team: improvement
Cardiff, Tan (800 million) - stadium: already built; team: failure
Chelsea, Abramovich (9 billion) - stadium: in planning; team: success
Crystal Palace, Harris, Blitzer, Parish, Hosking et al (4 billion) - stadium: failure; team: improvement
Fulham, al-Fayed then Khan (al-Fayed 1.6 billion; Khan 4 billion) - stadium: failure; team: failure
Hull, Allam (320 million) - stadium: already built; team: failure
Leeds, Bates then Cellino (Cellino 800 million) - stadium: failure; team: failure
Leicester, Srivaddhanaprabha (2 billion) - stadium: already built; team: having a great season
Liverpool, Hicks and Gillett - stadium: failure; team: failure
Liverpool, Henry/ Werner (1.5 billion) - stadium: in planning; team: variable
Man City, Mansour (20 billion) - stadium: already built; team: success
Man Utd, Glazers (4 billion) - stadium: already built; team: early success, later failure
Newcastle, Ashley (4.5 billion) - stadium: failure; team: failure
Norwich, Smith/ Wynn-Jones (23 million) - stadium: failure; team: variable
QPR, Fernandes (500 million) - stadium: in planning; team: failure
Southampton, Liebherr (2 billion) - stadium: already built; team: improvement
Stoke, Coates (1.5 billion) - stadium: built 1997 in Coates first spell as owner; team: improvement
Sunderland, Short (2.4 billion) - stadium: already built; team: failure
Swansea, Jenkins et al (? ) - stadium: built by council and retail consortium; team: success
Tottenham, Lewis/ Levy (7 billion) - stadium: being built; team: improvement
Watford, Pozzo (120 million) - stadium: improving; team: improvement
West Brom, Peace (50 million) - stadium: little improvement; team: improvement
West Ham, Sullivan/ Gold (750 million) - stadium: stitch-up; team: improvement.

{Ed025's Note - great bit of info and insight there mate, i have always been an advocate of..be careful what you wish for, but i suppose if we dont go for it we will always be saying "what if"..

11 Feb 2016 19:09:19
If the figures quoted for club takeovers is half ways right, taking into account ground status, I suspect £200m would be investment and not carry a controlling interest.

11 Feb 2016 21:13:37
So let's not sell and just carry on being moaning burgers about no investment, no big name player investment, no cups etc etc. Your like my bloody more in law, only happy when your miserable.

11 Feb 2016 21:31:49
Sorry lads - should have said the figures are the estimated worth of the buyers - combined worth where there is more than one. Lots of these guys are a bit shady about their finances obviously, but its as far as I can tell roughly how much wealth they personally have.

11 Feb 2016 22:36:31
Lets asume that the yanks bid is excepted, moors is 71 and already a very wealthy man. If it goes ahead it is reasonable to asume he wants to make his mark, not more cash, he has so much of that he could not spend it if he lived to 200, and at 71 he is going to have to move quickly to make an inpact, this surly, is what we have all been waiting for. No one can say yes 100% this will work, but it does seem the first chance we have had since another john moors, to compeat on a financial even playing field.

{Ed025's Note - no argument from me JCW..

12 Feb 2016 06:24:46
Nobody - including me and probably not even woburn's mother-in-law - is saying let's knock back investment in the club. Investment is probably better than carrying on as we are. Of course I'd rather Everton had a chance to buy more top players and were able to upgrade GP. I'm just pointing out that nobody buys a club - and EFC is costing more than Chelsea or City did - and then throws a load more cash at a new stadium and also spends big on players. At 71, the guy isn't thinking let's make my mark by turning EFC into world-beaters (which he couldn't afford even if he wanted to) . He's thinking about his next 20 years and his kid's inheritance. That's how he's rich.

12 Feb 2016 10:53:56
A new stadium would do me. Team is doing ok and the future looks bright in that department at the moment.

A new stadium would improve the team indirectly with the extra revenue.

Some people want a new stadium AND to spend plenty on players? One step at a time. If we upgrade Goodison properly or get a new stadium I for one will be over the moon. Team is capable of doing better than they currently are.

12 Feb 2016 11:42:44
Agreed. It's the stadium issue that has probably put off buyers in the past. We have a lot of young talent coming through and a couple who we know might move on but would go for big sums that hopefully could be reinvested to maintain or even improve the squad. From a financial point of view, players offer investors the chance of quicker returns than a new stadium would and so many teams got their grounds sorted years ago. Let's hope.

11 Feb 2016 15:03:15
anti rooney he would a great signing for us ask anybody who knows about football if he's past it.

11 Feb 2016 08:05:14
Hi Howie
We had 3 trips to Wembley inc semi finals

(And apart from the surrender against Arsenal and being robbed when James Milner was took out against Man U and it should have been a straight red but the ref bottled it as They were a big club and it was only minutes into the game )
since learner took over
And I have enjoyed them all
I have a 14 year old son has been to Wembley to see his team play 3 times
PRICELESS MEMORIES
What have you had!

And 1999 last final at the old Wembley against Chelsea and the semi before that forgot that one
Last post by me
I KNOW YOU DON'T READ A CERTAIN RED TOP
ON MERSEYSIDE BUT IF YOU SEE TODAYS PAPER BLOWING AROUND ON THE FLOOR OPEN IT UP AND READ THE DOUBLE SPREAD 3 PAGES BACK
ON A CERTAIN MR LEARNER
AFTER MY POSTING YESTERDAY YOU MAY THINK I WAS THE REPORTER
ALL THE BEST
UTV.

11 Feb 2016 08:41:43
Charmed I can't understand why you took loads of crap mate all you did was try to give us a bit of advice kid and I backed you up.

But I would like to say even if we seen that certain rag blowing around we wouldn't touch it not because we're evertonians but because we are scousers lad whatever is in it is probably lies IMO and I and nobody here would touch it I know you don't relies it mate because your not from our world but you let yourself down a bit asking us to read that rubbish mate and nobody will take you serious if you bring that crap up so I would leave that one kid.

11 Feb 2016 10:34:58
Hi blue lain
Full respect mate know where you come from
Didn't mean to offend in any way
As I mentioned we have done Goodison
And Anfield a couple of times
Only had To take the lad to Newcastle, crystal palace,
Bournemouth Chelsea and he has done all the premier league grounds and he has done the lot befor his 16 birthday
Mr learner had put an end to that I suppose we will do the seaside grounds next season
It is only man city and now Leicester who have prospered with all the takeovers
The wheels have come off for Man U, Chelsea, Villa, QPR
Good to see Tottenham Everton doing it under there own steam
Interesting point though
Look how many managers Man C, Man U
Liverpool, Chelsea, villa have got though

All the best.

11 Feb 2016 11:10:58
To be honest Charmed, I tried to cut you down on your first post. It's clear now that it wasn't the menace I first thought so good on you mate.

I've got a good friend who's a villa fan so I wish you both a better 3rd ending to the season than the first 2.

11 Feb 2016 12:52:37
Hi Charmed, one of the things Everton need to improve on is the commercial activities. I live in the US and have done so since 1978 (I was born in the district of Everton) . Apart from several games in Dallas and Chicago when several hundred Evertonians congregated I have only seen two Everton shirted people. One was a girl who followed the Everton women's team and the other one funnily enough was last week at Meg O'Malley's pub in Melbourne Florida. I went up and introduced myself and it turned out the guy was a German who picked an English club to support. Funnily enough he was with a friend who had on an Aston Villa shirt. Now I mention this because the is definitely the first Villa shirt I have seen in the US, so much for American ownership. So both teams have a lot to do to increase shirt sales in the US.
By the way I was at Wembley in 1999 also, got a ticket from my brother who has connections. I was supporting Villa and was gutted when they lost. Like us a famous old team who don't deserve to be relegated. By the way I was also at Wembley in 1966 and 1995 and it is indeed a great experience which I hope to repeat before going to the happy hunting ground,
Mike.

11 Feb 2016 15:26:36
Deary me Charmed keep yer hair on, if ya not bald. All I've said is I didn't consider what u said about O'neil being successful was right the same as I didn't think Moyes was, as there was no silverware. I too have taken my son to Wembley for 2 FA cup semis and an FA Final. We also qualified for Champs League, but was there a silver Cup at the end of anything? No. that's all. jeez!

11 Feb 2016 00:05:55
I know it's hope that can cause delirium and pain, but if investment is forthcoming how would us blues like to see it spent ( minus the ground that is) ?

A dream summer for me would be:

Hold on to Lukaku, Stones and Barkley. Howard to mls, Gibson, mcaleny, mcgeady, moved on.
Coaching roles for Osman, Hibbert

1 of Begovic/ Butland/ Forster
Cover for Coleman
Yarmolenko (I know I know but why not)
Rooney (unlikely but could be the right time to bring him home and would put us immediately out there in the media spotlight)

Add this to our current squad and the talented youngsters coming through and no excuse to not win some silverware.

11 Feb 2016 07:41:23
I like your optimism mate. But I keep saying, "why would Man Utd allow their best player to leave when he has another 2 or 3 seasons aheaad of him? " He had a recent dip in form but is bang on again now. Captain of England and a perfect role model for young kids coming through. I ssomehow don't think we can afford himquite yet.

11 Feb 2016 07:45:25
Would be nice Fran, Kone gone too.