Everton Banter Archive December 11 2017

11 Dec 2017 22:22:32
Great to see bolasie get some game time for the under 23s. Early days but I'm excited for his return.

11 Dec 2017 20:06:33
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Liverpool v Everton - A Liverpool Perspective

11 Dec 2017 21:43:20
Very good read nice to get a view from the other side that isn't all screaming and shouting.

11 Dec 2017 23:02:09
Yep apart from the penalty statement, i know two wrongs don't make a right, but come on lfc have made an art of diving and getting dodgy pens in past years, taught by past masters in the dark art, been saying this for years, now we play to the same tune and all of a sudden its headline news on lfc forums, what a joke, sterling is only just learning to stand up after the years of coaching he had, if it ws me i would be seeking compo, and stevie g,? don't even get me started.

11 Dec 2017 22:37:18
So you believe in essence that Lovren was only protecting himself, Sorry Ed001 even Carragher said it was a pen and he is more biased than any red.

Protecting himself my Ar*e.

{Ed001's Note - nope, he was putting his hands on him to hold him in place. Carragher is irrelevant, like all in the media he has an agenda and is on the bandwagon that bitches about everything Lovren does. I guess it is nice for an ex-defender like him to feel like he was any better, but I have seen him make far worse mistakes. There was no push, so it is not a pen. Every time two players run together like that the one behind has his hands on the other and no decision is ever given unless the player in front dives to the floor like it was a push, as Calvert-Lewin clearly did. It is a contact sport and you are allowed to touch each other. Go back and watch everytime the Everton backline launch the ball up to Calvert-Lewin and he and the man with him put their hands out to touch each other, are you going to expect a foul to be given each time that happens too? It is just a natural thing to put your hands on them so you know exactly where they are.}

12 Dec 2017 06:16:55
The way I see it Ed001 is the modern day footballer is coached to go down if and when he feels contact in order to gain an advantage for his side. Is this cheating? You may say it is, but you could also argue that it is clever centre forward play. You are right about contact and only recently, still not as much, we are seeing penalties given for pulls and deliberate pushes and blocks from corners. I do believe it was a penalty and if it was Williams on Solanke, I would still say the same, pundits, fans, managers, can all have an 'opinion' all that matters is the opinion of the man in the middle, the referee. Anyways must go, my mate who's a red is crying on the phone going on about spilt milk or something of the like.

{Ed001's Note - as I said, it is a penalty because the ref decided it was and that is really all that matters. My problem was with Lovren letting the ball reach Calvert-Lewin, everything after that is a problem caused by that mistake. I am not upset about it or anything, you had a game plan and you enacted it well, yes he went down easy but he should never have had the chance to and that is on Liverpool, not Everton. I did say I don't think it is that big a talking point and should be just sucked up and accepted by those that don't think it is a penalty as the decision is down to the ref. The point for me is to look at what went wrong to put the team in that position in the first place, rather than the actual moment itself.}

12 Dec 2017 08:10:52
Always feel you speak sense Ed001,and again your assessment is a good read.

{Ed001's Note - thank you mate. Those kind of games are the worst to assess though, trying to do it with a clear head and forgetting it is Everton is difficult when your phone is flooded with texts from people sending digs or moaning about things as you type. I would be really interested in a similar article from an Everton perspective, as I really want to know how you would feel if you tried to remove the passion from it. Watching Williams and Martina in an Everton shirt must be sickening!}

12 Dec 2017 10:07:26
You are right with the Williams and Martina comment, and if I'm honest when I seen the starting 11 for Liverpool I was surprised but also happy. Coutinho movement off the ball would have caused us massive problems and probably would have been the difference needed to break us down. Martina showed Saleh inside far too much and it was inevitable that he was going to get the space on his left foot to have a go.
We came with a gameplan to frustrate Liverpool and hopefully nick one from a set piece or mistake.
It wasn't pretty from us and we never really got out of our own half and to me that will be down to fear of committing too many forward and being hurt on the break.
Would I be happy with this on 6th January in the cup? Defensively yes but I want to see us go and try and open up Liverpool and use pace down the flanks to expose the back 3 that Klopp likes to play, we have pace to do this, will Sam risk that over a more compact defensive minded set up? Only time will tell.

12 Dec 2017 10:13:55
Pretty honest and good assessment of the game Ed I disagree on a couple of points, about the penalty and I also think we went into the game to try to win but at all costs not to loose rather than not win but its your opinion which is fair enough.

{Ed001's Note - I am sure Sam wanted to win, you are right, but I meant to say his priority first and foremost was to not lose. I probably haven't worded it well, the sites have been busy so I am trying to edit and bang out the article quickly inbetween, which does not lead to the best laid out and well planned article!}

12 Dec 2017 11:02:32
In the first half calvert lewin touched Lovren with his shoulder amd he hit the floor and got a free kick though?

12 Dec 2017 11:41:50
Spot on dgold it was exactly the same foul but outside the penalty area, the ref gave that as a free kick so why shouldn't he give ours as a penalty.

12 Dec 2017 21:05:51
All I can say on the decision of the ref give the pen he should of give the hand on Martina’s chest from salah not saying it was a foul just the same contact in dcl just need consistentmcey from the ref throughout the game. Saying that very happy he gave the pen and Big sams ideas worked because of it we didn’t get beat I just hope he doesn’t do this tactic in every game.

11 Dec 2017 19:15:14
Just listening to talk sport
i know sad,
, but they plugged an lfc tee shirt,
picture of the real talented fab four with there faces super imposed with lesser talent on sale now.
, but never mentioned the jumper with three members of the fab four? to cover the hole underneath.
its available in january, got to give it to them, they know how to squeeze every penny out of the poor deluded sheep, even the wool off thier backs.

11 Dec 2017 20:01:03
Well tourists always look for souvenirs don't they.

11 Dec 2017 17:07:31
Find it difficult to believe people are complaining about the way we played yesterday. We were basically playing with 10 men thanks to Martina.
Thought Sam got his tactics spot on. Think about it, five weeks ago that would have ended up five or six nil.
The best bit for me though was Klopps meltdown on telly, that was priceless. Look we know we have a lot to put right, but confidence is growing, and that can only be a good thing.

11 Dec 2017 19:45:11
Must have been two reds that disagreed with that Woburn.

11 Dec 2017 13:10:41
Liverpool fan I come In peace. Well done for the draw you guys defended well and restricted our guys to few chances.

My take is; I remember Everton allways giving us a good hard fought game and to me yesterday it felt like men against boys for the most part. I mean no disrespect that is just what it felt like to me.

Sam's a good manger but do you see him taking you to the CL I'm not so sure you my not lose too many but say if you get 10 draws in a season even half of them as wins gives you five more points.

He will settle the ship make you hard to beat but you are a big club and should be aiming to be a team that other teams fear.

I wish you well for the rest of the season and good luck

Ps I'm a wool so I can wish you luck.

11 Dec 2017 15:21:49
back to getting the basics right first then build from there, he got Bolton into European paces, why not with a money chest everton can he not do the same? koeman came to anfiled and tried to play and got battered same with Roberto, big sam didn't.

11 Dec 2017 15:48:50
chrisp85 yes but you hit the nail on the head there. First of all we need the ship to be steady. Sam himself has said first of all he needs to get the defence sorted and 4 games in that seems to be happening which I think is remarkable given what he is working with. Even Scneiderlin seemed to do okay when he came on. Also Sam Allardyce is not the neanderthal many deem him to be. He has for years used modern techniques, just watch what is really going on, on the touchline and up in the stands. Finally never had my doubts about Sammy Lee, the bloke is a professional and knowledgable football fans respect that. This is the City of Liverpool after all.

11 Dec 2017 20:04:31
What I noticed Sam does and myself and father in law have been saying for years, is why don't managers have a member of backroom staff in the stands. We sit in the Upper Bullens and can see the full pitch and shape of players.

11 Dec 2017 12:02:23
See fat Sam is taking credit for us only letting in one goal since he came on board. Of course he forgets Unsworth was in charge of the team against West Ham and it was Unsworth's team for the first game Sam had. I have another theory and that is we at last have a young center-back in Holgate. I know he makes mistakes and is learning but he is has played pretty well so far and is far better than the rest. Added to that Kenny is getting better with every game. Now if we could get rid of Martina and probably Williams and just play Jags we could have a good defense so the rest of the team could do some attacking and less defending.

11 Dec 2017 12:41:26
But it can not be dismissed that bringing him on board had a mental impact on the players, until he was hired not Many of them put the effort in for Unsy.

11 Dec 2017 15:03:33
Keane, Holgate and Kenny will hopefully be our defense for years to come. Just need an experienced and energetic left back and a young up and coming one to complete the set.

11 Dec 2017 15:45:40
I think its unfair to think Sam had nothing to do with Unsworth's last game, let's face it the players had not performed for him over the previous five weeks.
The fact is he was there on board, did speak with the players and we saw a considerable change of attitude!

11 Dec 2017 16:10:37
1940Mike but he is indeed correct. Since he has been in charge we have only let in 1 goal, and that was against probably the team with the best attacking line in the country.

For the short time Unsworth was in charge we let in more goals than any other manager we have ever had over the same time span.

Lets move on from Unsworth, he is no longer in charge for a reason and other owners do not seem to be knocking his door down to recruit him to manage their first teams.

11 Dec 2017 16:57:58
Sorry guys but Jags has had his best days. Kenny is going to push Coleman all the way now. Agree we are weak down the left and Martina is not the answer, Gylfi spent nearly all the game trying to cover for him. Need a striker a left back and centre back, that would make me happy.

11 Dec 2017 18:09:06
I think that you are missing my point mates. I am saying that Holgate came in for the West Ham game (Unsworth's pick) at center-half and has done very well and since then we have been much better defensively. The sooner we get in a few more young and quick defenders and get rid of the likes of Williams and Martina the better.

11 Dec 2017
New image uploaded to the
Everton Player Sightings page entitled, We drew bus

11 Dec 2017 08:09:28
We all know we need a new left back, so who do the posters reckon we should be looking at. My choice would be Aaron Cresswell from West Ham.

11 Dec 2017 09:04:07
Yeah I like Cresswell shaw not many I can think of that wood fancy a move to us st this money in time.

11 Dec 2017 09:19:45
hardly any west ham fans rate cresswell so for me not good enough sorry, luke shaw unfit currently could we get him back to his best?

11 Dec 2017 09:55:32
Id like Kieron tierney of Celtic he gets forward and can put a decent cross in and he chips in with a few goals too playing well for them this season.

11 Dec 2017 12:12:32
Bertrand from Southampton.

11 Dec 2017 15:51:35
Chilwell Leicester for me!

11 Dec 2017 16:03:48
Ben Chillwell or Tierney for me.

11 Dec 2017 16:24:17
Stubbsy mentioned Tierney on talksport this morning and he rates him as a top player.

11 Dec 2017 17:00:28
Chill well, because he knows how to defend.

11 Dec 2017 04:25:22
I can't believe fans complaining about us playing for (and getting) a result - albeit a hard-earned unadventurous (to put it mildly! ) draw - at the dark side.
Of course it would have been great to play an open, expansive, toe-to-toe style, but that most likely would have led to another hammering from their formidable attacking players.
At this stage of the season, if some fans would prefer style over substance, well that's their prerogative, but imho we need results and we need the team to gain confidence from those results.
Whether or not under SA we can show creativity and attacking quality on top of defensive solidity and organisation only tine will tell, but I for one am content (for now! ) to concentrate on the improvement in results, player confidence, and team organisation under a coaching staff that has the experience, determination, and knowledge to deal with where we have found ourselves so far this season.

11 Dec 2017 09:31:13
Big Sam has a reputation for negative football and some fans seem to have latched onto this. But any top manager knows you start a game off with the intention of keeping a clean sheet and build from there. Remember that Allardyce had Jay Jay Ocotcha and Ivan Campo in his team at Bolton. how we could do with either of those now. I am expecting him to lay the foundation of a solid defence and build a midfield with some creativity as time goes on. But BobbyC you are rightabout some fans. and would they enjoy watching us playing expansive football in the Championship. because 4 games ago and the preceding 10 or so games. that's where we were headed! Big Sam might not yet have all the answers, but I for one would rather us start building a team and bring in the expansive football at a later date when we have the players.

11 Dec 2017 12:24:53
degsyp: I agree with you. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, but I want to stay in the PL above all else.

11 Dec 2017 02:25:49
The most telling stat from the derby is that Everton had 66% of their shots on target against Liverpool's 13% on target.

{Ed0333's Note - Im not trying to be funny here mate but Everton had shots on goal?

11 Dec 2017 03:30:55
Well the penalty was one for sure. I that was the only one then it is 100%.

{Ed001's Note - you had 3 mate. One soft, almost pass back by Sigurdsson which Mignolet caught (which tells you how soft it was when he got near it, let alone catches it!) and one other in the 2nd half which missed, hence the 66%. One miss in 3. I am not sure how anyone can think that these stats are relevant, clearly someone who has no idea about the value of stats or how to read them. You need huge numbers of whatever it is being measured before any stat is truly relevant. You are talking about 100 games or so before you can rule out aberrations in the data, at least. Shots on or off target in one match is too small a spread to even have any relevancy other than mild interest from people who don't understand them.}

11 Dec 2017 04:39:03
Ed001: the only statistic that really matters is the 1-1 result ;-)

{Ed001's Note - exactly.}

11 Dec 2017 09:35:11
I am with BeStyrne on this. Everton had 66% efficiency with their shooting accuracy whereas Liverpool only had 13%. I would add that 19.78% of Evertonians know how to wind up Liverpool fans and Ed's with useless data and statistics.

11 Dec 2017 11:58:20
🎣 looks like I cast a line and got a bite 😂😂😂

Come on ed01 play nice 😘

This one just made me laugh and the stats of the game weren’t exactly in our favour.

Lovely lovely lovely haha.

11 Dec 2017 00:45:23
Three weeks ago, we would have lost that game, 5, 6 nil, so sam might not be a saint, but i maintain that without him we would be a championship team next season.
Just hope the board give him some real money to spend, then i'm sure we will be safe, and it will be spent for more produtively than that dutch clown.

11 Dec 2017 01:05:44
Said here a month ago to give big Sam the job as we have n big trouble. He is no saint and on a big bonus to keep us up etc but given the backing he is as good as any manager. Look at morhino tonight on match of day city played them off the park and he on about luck etc cio on man. NOW in fairness we didn’t put a pass together and parked the bus but this will give the lads a massive le lift thought Kenny, Rooney, cleverly played well Gueye best he played all year. All in all we making headway with injured players back in new year plus a good stiker we be ok . Let’s be more attacking in cup match and u never know I just have a feeling we could have a great cup run as well here’s hoping 🍺😊😊.